I appreciate root's post... atleast he got to the point. Notice pygo didn't even make any scientific replies. Root tried to.
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Pygoscelis
Just noticed this thread. Another troll post by our good friend lolwhatever, full of straw men and ad homs.
we'll see.
Wow really? Glad we have that effect on you. Do try to sleep though. It may improve your attitude.
still waiting for relevence...
I did indeed say
And I stand by it. I don't even think its a bold claim or anything less than obvious. Given infinite time and infinite resources and infinite time, even the most unlikely event WILL happen with certainty.
How do you know that, prove it analytically.
You admitted that given infinite time 2 parallel lines won't intersect. That itself means given infinite time not "anything will happen".
Similarly given infinite time marbles thrown from a skyscraper can land in an infinite number of positions, but infinite over a certain area. e.g. a marble can land at coordinates (3.3,2.00002) or (3.3,2.000000034) but a marble thrown from a skyscraper in NYC won't land in shanghai.
You think its possible? And you think i'm too dumb to understand? Write a whitepaper to a university explaining your point, here's an idea:
http://www.eng.unimelb.edu.au/research/postdoc.html
As root pointed out, those are known laws of physics. Previously "known" laws of physics have been shown to be wrong as we gained more knowledge. Human knowledge is imperfect.
So then on what set of laws do you base your claims about infinity on? Speculation and imagination?
You accuse us of imagination and mythology, but what you're saying is just blatant lying!
That being said, who claimed that anything and everything could happen? Not I. And not anybody I've read.
you did.
Here's what you said in this same post :lol: scroll up,
Pygo: "Given infinite time and infinite resources and infinite time, even the most unlikely event WILL happen with certainty."
No it doesn't. I think you simply can't grasp the notion of infinity.
Maybe i can't that's the point of this thread silly! Shesh, if i'm wrong, PROVE TO ME that this claim is true:
"Given infinite time and infinite resources and infinite time, even the most unlikely event WILL happen with certainty."
anything i say, i am able to prove it using laws (not theories), everything you've said so far, isn't backed up by a single math textbook, even mythologists would prob hesitate to believe you.
Indeed. Given what we know, they can not ever intersect.
See i just dont getcha, that means you agree you're wrong when you said:
"Given infinite time and infinite resources and infinite time, even the most unlikely event WILL happen with certainty."
make up your mind man!
Another straw man being built here. I said no such thing. I did say that given infinite time and the occurence of one universe (thus it being possible for something to come from nothing), it is certain that that small chance would reoccur and we'd get this universe.
Based on what logic and deduction or analytical model?
If you doubt the law of conservation, then feel free to do so, but if you're suggesting that we can't use it because it's possibly wrong, then you need to explain why it could possibly be wrong.
As far as i'm concerned, the law of conservation holds in every aspect of this universe, even on the quantum level, therefore being can not come from non being, much less a universe coming out of nothing.
Furthermore, this universe according to latest developments came about due to no prior physical event. If you doubt that, it takes more than just saying "its possibly wrong" to disprove a claim, you need to prove the law of conservation wrong and then come back to us.
It is fascinating that lolwhatever quoted me directly in the first paragraph but not in these later paragraphs. Could it be that he is building more straw men?
The statement:
"Given infinite time and infinite resources and infinite time, even the most unlikely event WILL happen with certainty."
and
"being can be created from non being given infinite time"
don't contradict each other do they :?
Secondly, lets say you
disagree with the second statement that i "inserted into your mouth", so then what do you suspect the cause of the creation of the universe to be :? Keeping in mind that it was not the result of any prior physical event.
Which brings us nicely back to where THAT thread started and the question of what created God. If everything needs a creator then God does. If God doesn't, then not everything needs a creator.
"Allah
by definition is the
creator, he creates being from non being, to say that he was created is a self-contradicting statement, because it means someone else is the creator, not him"
I don't have the patience to go through that with you again lolwhatever. Maybe Root does.
Then you've shown yourself to be empty,
you didnt quote even a signle sceintific source or model to back your claim about infinity up. Probably a good idea to put the load on root and flee.
So far all you've said is "Given infinite time anythign and everything will happen, it's just that you don't understand the notion of infinity"
me: "where's your evidence?"
your: "i know its right, who cares that no mathematician or scientist supports the idea with proof... i just know it"
me: "fine, enjoy your speculativ metaphysics, but this isn't the thread to be in then :D"