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Ferrari1981
01-08-2007, 12:05 PM
Salaam

Basically this applies to everything in life.

Now most of you will probably say don't eat at McDonalds or boycott certain companies because of a political issues, others will say it’s only food or a gift.

Many of us will get offers, promotions, haraam gifts (sweets etc) for the sake of cheap goods!

If you got anything that remotely sounds promotional or offers like for example with some sweets we cannot eat or a money saving book for McDonald’s food, what would you do:

- Give it to a non-believer?
- Throw it in the trash can?
- Recycle it?
- Take it anyway!?
- Don’t know!

Some of you may say give it to a non-believer (we tend to do this alot anyway), but isn't our job to convince our non-believing humans to see our way of life, correct them to the right path?

So giving away unwanted gifts, promotional offers and haraam sweets to non-believers because we ourselves cannot take is right or wrong?

What would you do with your haraam gifts (goods, food, drinks)?

Also we have people who make money (profit) for the sake of survival of so fair enough you buy cheap and sell for profit that’s fine... but what if what you’re buying is stolen? Would you knowingly buy stolen items for profit yourself?

Finance is a long issue so I will not go into it, but haraam promotions is something important to look into it and its very much common sense!

Anyway you take care; I hope to hear from you soon, Inshallah.

Ma'asalaama
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Woodrow
01-08-2007, 12:09 PM
The option I use is not up there.

Thank the person for the thought and give a short explanation why I can not accept it.
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Rabiyal
01-08-2007, 12:45 PM
I give it to a non-believer, and thank the person for the sweet gesture.
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Ferrari1981
01-08-2007, 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
The option I use is not up there.
Thank the person for the thought and give a short explanation why I can not accept it.
Thats a good thought I forgot about!

But sometimes people either take it the wrong way or well i guess it could work.

Originally Posted by Tiger
Throw it i the trash can!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL Im green try recycling!

Originally Posted by Rabiyal
I give it to a non-believer, and thank the person for the sweet gesture.
Fair enough... makes sense but still like to understand the issue behind giving it to them!
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Ferrari1981
01-08-2007, 03:58 PM
Well theres many things like:

1) Today I got a McDonald food discount booklet (voucher) which makes me eligible for discounted burgers but with McDonalds theres a limited of items we can eat there anyway so most of them are useless to me!

2) During Xmas people send gifts out of goodwill... which in fine but sometimes they send you sweets that are not halal like gelatine and etc... so what would you do here?

3) In business we buy in bulk cheap and sell individual for profit this is halal depending on what your selling. But some people buy stolen goods for cheap and sell them that is haraam.

4) Interest is forbidden yet people say we can just take interest in and give it to the poor but it clearly states we cannot have anything to do with it so why recieve it for the poor... you dont get reward for giving interest to the poor.

5) Theres many examples if you get free things as gifts that are not suitable what do you do with them!]

I hope that makes more sense!

Ma'asalaama
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MinAhlilHadeeth
01-08-2007, 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
The option I use is not up there.

Thank the person for the thought and give a short explanation why I can not accept it.
Perhaps we should put that option up there.
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Woodrow
01-08-2007, 04:24 PM
If the topic starter desires that, it can be done.
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MusLiM 4 LiFe
01-08-2007, 04:28 PM
i would either chuck it, or take it back to da shop.. i MIGHT give it 2 a non-muslim.. but it wouldnt be my first option cuz i dunno :S:?
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strider
01-08-2007, 04:32 PM
If you can't refuse the gift, then bin it. Last thing you should do is pass it onto a non-believer as you will just be aiding Haram. It's like buying wine as a gift for a friend who drinks alcohol- it's haram to buy it regardless of whether you will be drinking it or not.
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MusLiM 4 LiFe
01-08-2007, 04:47 PM
yeah datz wot i woz tryin 2 say ^ givin it 2 sum1 wud be da last ting on ma mind
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mohammed farah
01-08-2007, 04:50 PM
personally I would put it in the bin because if i gave it to a non believer i will be giving him/her a bad deed ( if you know what im saying).
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Ferrari1981
01-08-2007, 11:02 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
If the topic starter desires that, it can be done.
Originally Posted by Woodrow
The option I use is not up there.Thank the person for the thought and give a short explanation why I can not accept it.
Sure why not you add:

Polite rejection of gift and reason!

haha well one more option wont hurt so yea go ahead... :)
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BlissfullyJaded
01-08-2007, 11:09 PM
:sl:

^ Added that option.

I don't know what I'd do. Most probably politely reject, or take it and toss it in the bin. I don't like the idea of giving to the non Muslims. It defeats the purpose. If they become Muslims one day, they'll wonder how and why we could do such a thing.
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Woodrow
01-08-2007, 11:15 PM
In my mixed logic. Accepting a gift is the same as buying the Item, except your price is 0.

Once it is in your possession it is yours. To give it away is the same as if you had bought it for the other person.


Would you buy something haram for any person?
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Pk_#2
01-09-2007, 12:10 AM
i would take it and put it in the bin, i hate saying no!,

a while back if someone gave me sweets i would just eat it...

But now i wouldn't 'Im a good girl' :D

well not totally :p i'm getting there (InshaAllah)

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh!
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Rabiyal
01-09-2007, 03:29 AM
Originally Posted by Ferrari1981
Fair enough... makes sense but still like to understand the issue behind giving it to them!
Well it's better it will go in someone's stomach rather than waste, I don't like throwing food away, I leave the leftovers for birds, and make sure food doesn't go to waste, we work so hard for just so Halal goes down our stomachs, so I care for it. And that same care gets pass down to even Haraam food or sweets whatever you would like to call it.
ex. few days ago my husband got Ice cream, he didn't read ingredients, and it turned out to be Haraam, he spent like $15 on it, since it was open we couldn't return, nor could we eat it...the money was Halal from which Ice cream was bought, so instead of wasting I gave to our neighbour's kids. and they were so happy, their Happiness was well worth our money....hence forward the gift to someone else who has no objection....and would enjoy it :)
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Rabiyal
01-09-2007, 03:32 AM
Originally Posted by strider
If you can't refuse the gift, then bin it. Last thing you should do is pass it onto a non-believer as you will just be aiding Haram. It's like buying wine as a gift for a friend who drinks alcohol- it's haram to buy it regardless of whether you will be drinking it or not.
do you have a dalil/hadith to prove that??? cuz it's interesting I have not heard that
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Rabiyal
01-09-2007, 03:36 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
In my mixed logic. Accepting a gift is the same as buying the Item, except your price is 0.

Once it is in your possession it is yours. To give it away is the same as if you had bought it for the other person.


Would you buy something haram for any person?
okay this is the second time....I wouldn't buy anything haraam to give it or spend it on a Muslim, but is it also Haraam to buy Haraam stuff for a non-muslim when you know that's what they want???? Please confirm, cuz I have done that in past, and also cuz I don't have anything to go by with.....
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north_malaysian
01-09-2007, 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
The option I use is not up there.

Thank the person for the thought and give a short explanation why I can not accept it.
I want to use this option too...:statisfie
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Ferrari1981
01-09-2007, 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by tasmiyah_B
a while back if someone gave me sweets i would just eat it... But now i wouldn't 'Im a good girl' :D
well not totally :p i'm getting there (InshaAllah)
Haha aww well its a good thing your improving :D Mashallah

Originally Posted by Rabiyal
Is it also Haraam to buy Haraam stuff for a non-muslim when you know that's what they want???? Please confirm, cuz I have done that in past, and also cuz I don't have anything to go by with.
1) Anything haraam for us should technically be haraam for them, why? because if your friend finally decided to convert/revert how would you feel feeding them haraam stuff?

2) Theres a hadith (I know this is written as I read it only 2 days ago but Im human I forgot the exact translation) which mentions we should give our guests better thing that we would want like you would give your bed to them to stay over or give them the same food or drink to them that you would have and if something is haraam to you, it should be avoided completely. ( I will provide the proof once I re-find it again)

3) Buying haraam to give to a non-believer is like advertising haraam indirectly! Theres a hadith in Al-Bukhari which states Muslims must not have any onvolvement in alcohol or interest (involvement of buying, selling or using it).

Hope that helps...
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smile
01-09-2007, 10:45 AM
I wouldn't give to a non-believer because they shouldn't be eating haraam things either and by giving it to them you are saying it is okay for them to eat it
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strider
01-09-2007, 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by smile
I wouldn't give to a non-believer because they shouldn't be eating haraam things either and by giving it to them you are saying it is okay for them to eat it
But it is Haram for you to purchase it in the first place. Why aid sin?
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Tania
01-09-2007, 08:19 PM
Why don't you give the burgers to the dogs. The dogs from streets are forced to search in the bin where are lot of bacterias. Since he is already eating the human food you should respect him and give straight to them.
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BlissfullyJaded
01-09-2007, 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by strider
But it is Haram for you to purchase it in the first place. Why aid sin?
:sl:

The question doesn't have to do with us buying and giving haram to the non Muslims. Its about when haram is given to us, what do we do with it...

Or did I misunderstand something here. :-[
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Woodrow
01-09-2007, 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by Jawharah
:sl:

The question doesn't have to do with us buying and giving haram to the non Muslims. Its about when haram is given to us, what do we do with it...
Or did I misunderstand something here. :-[
That is correct. I think the differences come in as to what happens after we accept the item.

I deal with they problem simply by not accepting the gift, then there is no question of trying to despose of it in a non-haram manner. Then again, I don't get many gifts anyhow. I'm not in either the work world or the academic world anymore and my only socialising is among Muslims.
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strider
01-09-2007, 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by Jawharah
:sl:

The question doesn't have to do with us buying and giving haram to the non Muslims. Its about when haram is given to us, what do we do with it...

Or did I misunderstand something here. :-[
Sis, you are absolutely right. I have no idea why i even quoted sister 'smile', seeing that her post is spot on. Must be the stress.:cry: :)

Jazakumullah Khair, for correcting me.
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ZAYD
01-09-2007, 09:33 PM
thank them and politely reject it giving the reason.

i did that once at my old workplace and they were fine.
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Muezzin
01-09-2007, 09:44 PM
Once, during Ramadhan, they were giving out free Boost bars at university. Me being me, I took one to eat at Iftari, putting it in my pocket. Come iftari (or 'second brekkie' as I call it, to a cricket chorus), I take it out, look at the ingredients and realize it's haraam. Next day, I offer it to non-muslims acquaintances but they don't want it, so in the bin it goes.
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Maarya
01-09-2007, 09:55 PM
with me it depends what it is. if its food then i'll chuck it but if its something like perfumes/cosmetics etc (they usually have alcohol in them) then i'll pass it on to someone else.
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The Ruler
01-09-2007, 09:57 PM
:sl:

except the fourth option, i do them all...depending on which suits me when.

:w:
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