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Grace Seeker
You can't do this in Iran alone, already we are talking about Iraq, Turkey, and Iran, plus all of their neighboring countries.
It isn't as much of a big deal as you think it is.
Maybe Kurdistan should have been formed instead of the countries that were, but that is now history.
Actually it isn't a matter of history, it is a matter of what god had told me.
I don't propose going back to correct it.
If we don't correct it, we'll all die in the future, because of it.
Do it here with Kurdistan, and you will have to do it again, and again, and again until every ethnic group has their own homeland, and once done then different types of Kurds will want their own autonomous part of Kurdistand and the process will continue to repeat itself until everyone is a country unto themselves.
You are being ridiculous. People just want to not be oppressed by other people. And why are you being so eager to demonize the Kurds? The Kurds are decendents of Noah, right? Like the Arabs right? They are your cousins, they have same ancestor as you. So stop treating them and everyone like vermin.
Yes, that is riduculous. And given that it is, let's stop the riduculousness where we are right now, before we create a Kurdistan.
Why don't you just stop being so racist about it?
Kurdistan will come to reality and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
Accept it and grow up.
The Kurds are not trying to take over the world. Individual clans are not trying to seperate into smaller clans.
You are paranoid to the max and need something to calm your nerves. Maybe reading a civil rights book might do you some good.
There is more harm in not allowing the Kurds to establish their independence than there is oppressing them against their will into a super Arab state that controls everything and everyone. Where the Arabic language is the language of the world, which is no more advance than Persian, English, Chinese, Spanish, Russian, and all those other simpleminded languages (expressed vaguely as though created by created, but in reality by man).
The same can be said if we had the Jews or Americans controlling the world, where you have Hebrew or English dominated how we should speak rather allowing ourselves to live in a society that we ourselves can live peacefully and harmonistically.
All nationalist movements are evil.
No they aren't. Expansionism is evil, Nationalism is not.
Main Entry: seg·re·ga·tion
You don't have to act paranoid. I already know you have no idea as to what pacificism and oppression are about.
Skipping all the boring stuff again...
Well there goes your evidence. Nice to know that was just so easily thrown out of the window.
And now, the definition taken from M-W.com:
The separation for special treatment or observation of individuals or items from a larger group.
And that's evil because?
Israel and Kurdistan are the same thing: Giant facilities of segregation.
Was Kurdistan founded by Jews or Muslims? Are there Kurdish muslims? Does it say in the Koran that segregation is evil?
Israel isn't evil. Zionism is evil, but Israel isn't. It was justifiable territorial adjustment made by the British Government which at the time owned almost the whole globe. They had the right since Allah gave them the globe to do what they want to the Arabs in that area. Otherwise, don't you think Allah would have done something about it? Unless he was angry enough at the Arabs to not care about them?
By the way, segregation does not involve the establishment of
Then why do you encourage the opposite?
I want there to be a society of understanding, where people of all kinds live together peacefully.
And you think overcrowding a city with immigrants would make that city more peaceful? Or mixing a society with communist Chinese and anti-communsity Jordans would make that society everlasting?
I know you don't many harm. But aren't at the level we need to be to work towards a United Earth Republic or a United Middle East Republic or whatever.
As I said in my first post, if there is no other option, if there is much ignorance in the rest of the Middle East that the Kurds are totally oppressed, then yes, there should be an independent Kurdistan.
Well that is how it is throughout the entire middle-east and has been for over four thousand years. The Kurds were oppressed by virtually everyone, regardless if they were Arab, Turk, Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Iranian (most of which are Persians), Greek, Roman, Akkadian, British, or even Hittite. All they want is to no longer be oppressed and to have a small era of self-independence.
You see my idea is to have a two-hundred year time of self-independence where people could work out their own problems and then join into a Global Union that would then tolerate each other and live peacefully.
But I believe that there are existing places that Kurds can go where they can live in peace and not be oppressed.
Well they could go to Antartica, but they would all die from the freezing cold.
Genocide is an act that Allah allows to happen.
The great flood of Noah is a terrific contradiction of that.
Allah has in the past kill off entire civilizations or allow them to be killed off, which is basically the same thing. But the reason why doesn't is because of a greater good that he represents that is bounded to the survival of the human species. That is something you have to understand if you really want humanity to exist in a liberalized community or a community where everyone lives in the same country.
The Tutsis, the Native Americans, the Jews, and so on.
The Native Americans were mercilessly killed off by diseases as much as they were by guns if not more so.
The Jews weren't as badly killed off by the holocaust as they make it out to be. We keep forgetting that slavs, gypsies, and other individuals were also targets of Nazism. And before then, virtually everyone became a target of slaughter if they looked different from everyone else.
Just because it was happening didn't mean that Allah did not will it to be stopped.
You are ignoring the bigger picture here. The truth of the matter is Allah could have made it stopped, but then what would happen? He would have to force it to stop again? And again. And again.
Allah would rather have us learn from our mistakes than to be our protector. Plus there could have been greater endangerments that could have arisen if he did got involved.
Like if he just threw a meteor into the atlantic and just a small one to scare away Columbus, then perhaps in the future Hitler manages to conquer all of Europe and then the rest of the world and the Natives were virtually killed off entirely rather than being reduced to a few hundred thousand.
So you have to remember the greater good and the reality to why things are progresses as they are under Allah's eyes.
But there is a way to undo Israel.
No there wasn't. The state of Israel was base on prophecy given several times by Allah to different individuals. It is cited in the Torah and in the Bible and is a clue to signal a period of time prior to the apocalypse. So it is suppose to exist. There is purpose for it as one of the many battle grounds between Isa's reincarnation and the false prophet.
I'm saying that there should NOT be a Jewish state.
And why is that?
There should not be a Kurdish state, or a Christian state, or whatever.
But there is a French State, a German state, a Russian state, a Chinese Communist state, a North Korean Communist State, a Vietnamese state, the Saudi Arabs have their own state, the Egyptians have their own state, and so on. So why can't the Kurds have their own state if these people have their own?
And by the way the Kurds are not Christains, most of them are muslims.
I'll answer that with your own words.
But already have with my previous arguments. Therfore, why should I bother?
Just think of Germany, England, France, and all those other evil nations that invaded the rest of the world.
Nations are never evil. And calling them evil is an act of racism, because you are calling their people evil by calling the nation that are a part of evil. The reason why I say this is because not everyone within the same country supports the same ideas. A lot of the time there are great disagreements, some which lead directly into a civil war.
Yet it seems most of our NEIGHBOURS in the Middle East are doing exactly the opposite. And some people actually support it.
I know. But they have to realize that we are suppose to have differences, otherwise we would be boring. It would be so boring to have a world full of Nazis.
Why would the Kurds be anymore likely to disappear anymore than the Native American Indian?
The Native Americans are not Indians. They are more closer related to the Tibetans.
One does not need a country to maintain one's identity.
True, but of a group of people want to create their country then aren't they entitled to do so? It is their land, their lives, their children, their people, and all they want is to take care of themselves.
Are 1000s of Kurdish women being raped presently?
Doesn't have to be presently. Simply having 10,000 Kurdish women raped anually should be enough to consider how bad things are and I bet they happen to be much worse than that in Turkey.