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Goku
01-11-2007, 08:00 PM
Let's see what our Malaysian members' views are on the issue of religion in their country's politcal structure. Non-Malaysians are also welcome to express their views.
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Ar-RaYYan
01-11-2007, 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by Goku
Let's see what our Malaysian members' views are on the issue of religion in their country's politcal structure. Non-Malaysians are also welcome to express their views.
:sl:
well i'm non-malaysian and i support the Islamists as i support the UIC in Somalia. (may Allah guide and protect them Ameen)

:w:
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Hamba Allah
01-11-2007, 10:39 PM
I am a muslim and I support the nationalists. I don't know why, I just support them.
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Skillganon
01-11-2007, 10:42 PM
Sister & brother "Proud_muslimah" and "VBP" voted that they are non-muslim?

That is really confusing poll.

Since this is just a poll, I will have to vote Islamist. I hope they are sincere.
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Ar-RaYYan
01-11-2007, 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by Skillganon
Sister & brother "Proud_muslimah" and "VBP" voted that they are non-muslim?

That is really confusing poll.

Since this is just a poll, I will have to vote Islamist. I hope they are sincere.
Ooops :-[ i actually meant 'i'm non-malaysian muslim and i support the Islamists' - must have prss the wrong button.

:w:
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Goku
01-11-2007, 11:29 PM
Salam, JzK for the replies.

Originally Posted by Hamba Allah
I am a muslim and I support the nationalists. I don't know why, I just support them.
Shouldnt you as a Muslim be supporting the Islamic Party since they want to bring Islamic Influence into politics and most citizens of Malaysia are Muslim?

There is a debate in Malaysia about this, some non-Muslim Malaysians think Islamic Law will interfere in their lives but i thought Islamic Sharia is only applicable for Muslims.
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England
01-11-2007, 11:59 PM
I'm a Nationalist myself and I do support Nationalism.
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netprince
01-12-2007, 12:35 AM
I hate polls........

These kinds of polls give black and white options for everything. The world we are currently living in, is not black and white. I am not a nationalist so that option would never be applicable (here comes the however), however, given the choice between a 'just' nationalist movement and a corrupt religious movement what what would a person choose?

As a muslim i am always inclined to say the 'Islamic' movement, however, for a muslim to say i support the 'Islamic' movement we should know what kind of islam is being preached and/or going to be implemented. Is it a 'just' Islam being proposed or is it something else entirely.

Life isnt always black and white, there is just way too much greyness around.
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Goku
01-12-2007, 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by England
I'm a Nationalist myself and I do support Nationalism.

Which party in Great Britain do u support?
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north_malaysian
01-12-2007, 01:43 AM
I'll support whosoever against the current government. I've voted for DAP (Socialists) in the last election.
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syilla
01-12-2007, 06:20 AM
i don't understand the poll sorry :hiding:

can you please explain more....

and another thing is i'm very bad in politics.
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north_malaysian
01-12-2007, 08:45 AM
Originally Posted by syilla
i don't understand the poll sorry :hiding:

can you please explain more....

and another thing is i'm very bad in politics.
Islamists - PAS (Pan Malaysia Islamic PArty)
Nationalists - UMNO (United Malays National Organisation)

Maybe you should vote... "i dont know"...:p
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AzizMostafa
01-12-2007, 10:28 AM
Generally Speaking:
Support neither manipulated-Islamists nor Secular Nationalists. Both love but themselves.
State should be run by Qualified Nationals guided by a far-sighted man of mighty morals so that the Nation moves towards prosperity + justice + peace.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Skillganon
01-12-2007, 10:36 AM
I think Malaysia needs much dawah, like all the other part of the world.
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Muslim Knight
01-12-2007, 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by Skillganon
I think Malaysia needs much dawah, like all the other part of the world.
I agree with you brother.
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Skillganon
01-12-2007, 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
I agree with you brother.
When ever did you disagree with me?

It is anonymously agreed that our levelof understanding of Islam is below par and we have fallen short in general. We have to make a continued effort to gain correct knowledge and share it as best as we can amongst our fellow people.

(Orang Orang! Bahasa Melaysu; dont ask me to translate)
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starfortress
01-12-2007, 07:29 PM
:sl:

I am a Malaysian Muslim and I support the Islamists(PAS),because they haven't given any chance to show up their actual ability in ruling a country like Malaysia,and there is no problem for me to accept Islamists(PAS):)
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north_malaysian
01-13-2007, 02:23 AM
Originally Posted by starfortress
:sl:

I am a Malaysian Muslim and I support the Islamists(PAS),because they haven't given any chance to show up their actual ability in ruling a country like Malaysia,and there is no problem for me to accept Islamists(PAS):)
PAS is a moderate kind of Islamists... I have no problem to accept them ruling this country too..
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north_malaysian
01-13-2007, 02:38 AM
ZAM: OPPOSITION MAY FIELD "PHANTOM" CANDIDATE


PENANG: Information Minister Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin believes that the opposition will have a "phantom" independent candidate to gauge the Barisan Nasional's popularity in the Batu Talam by-election.

By doing so, he said, opposition supporters would not be demoralised if the Barisan retained the seat with a bigger majority.

"The Barisan's victory will also not be seen as a defeat for the opposition," he said after attending a residents' gathering at Taman Free School here yesterday.

Zainuddin said he growing clout of Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was the real reason the opposition parties were staying away from the by election. (:giggling::giggling::giggling: what a joke!!!)

"They are scared to challange the Barisan because of Abdullah's effective leadership," he said.

He said PAS did not have any issues to fish for votes as they have been "CONVERTED" into becoming good Muslims by RTM (Radio Television Malaysia)

Zainuddin said there was talk that many candidates would stand as independents to tale advantage of the election "harvesting" time.

"They thing they can get some money by doing this," he added.

Source: The Star, page N14, 13.01.2007

P/S: This minister is so "Takabbur" and his English is the WORST of all Nationalist ministers...
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syilla
01-13-2007, 05:16 AM
:sl:

they said most probably this year will be the election.

and this is the first time i'm going to vote....erm....i never voted before :X

i don't really know who i want to vote...

Tawakall'alallallah...

:w:
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Muslim Knight
01-13-2007, 01:25 PM
My opinion is that there are two ways to set up an Islamic state;

Socially
Either you don't vote. Because of the corrupt government, the Islamic opposition is going to lose anyway everytime there's election. So what you do? Educate yourself more in religion, teach your immediate family, teach your friends, educate them about how religion must change people into God-fearing individuals, moral individuals, hence, essentially good people. Naturally the people will work towards having the nation governed by truly, Islamic laws. Join Muslim NGOs towards these goals. What is important is attitude, essentially, your Islamic attitude.

Politically
Or make sure you know who's your voting, his Islam, his moral behaviour, his character. If you vote someone who's gonna turn around and belittle Islamic laws, handle corrupt money laundering only to benefit himself and his families to your detriment, in the end you'll going to have to answer all these charges in front of Allah and He will ask you, "Why did you put these types of people up in charge of yourselves?"

If the people really wants Islam to rule over the land, however cheating the corrupt government maybe, Allah will give us victory and make us prevail over oppresive secularist government.

In the end, what is important is essentially your Islamic attitude. If you see on one side, a Nationalist supporting secularist party backed by non-Muslims who don't give a **** about Islamic laws, who generally wants Islam to be on the same par as the other religions, and on the other side an Islamist who can lead people in prayer, really honest, fears Allah, fights for the dignity of Islam and shariah, then you have the duty to support the Islamist, as a Muslim should.
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Trumble
01-13-2007, 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by Goku
Shouldnt you as a Muslim be supporting the Islamic Party since they want to bring Islamic Influence into politics and most citizens of Malaysia are Muslim?
Just because people are muslim doesn't mean they have to think increased 'Islamic influence' in politics is a good idea.

That aside, never confuse the party label with the reality. Whichever party it may be, it's primary purpose is to get it's people into power, rather than somebody else's so those people can run the country concerned in the way they see fit; not to pursue ideological dreams further than is convenient. Ideology is always the first thing to be dumped in favour of political expediency and preservation of power.

I know nothing about Malaysian politics, of course, but I gave up worrying about ideology years ago. I always vote for the people I consider most competent at running the country without messing things up. You never get two 'good' choices and one is rare enough; most often it's just picking the lesser of two evils.

I'm a firm believer in the old saying that "anyone who wants political power should, on no account, be allowed to actually have it"! :D
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