Story Of Qur'anic Haman. A Curious Pope And His Confessor!

[Muslim Woman]

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Story Of Qur'anic Haman. A Curious Pope And His Confessor!


-- long but very interesting :p

pl. read . [ i don't remember if i posted it here earlier ]

few lines to understand the Background:


"Pharaoh said: O Chiefs! No god do I know for you but myself: therefore, o Haman! Light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace, that I may mount up to the god of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!)"

(28 'al-qasas', verse 38)



They (the innocent and his confessor.....If he is an innocent, what the heck fer does he need a confessor) look at each other and start laughing....Heheheheheee!!! Hehehehehee!!!!



Just like Pharoah was making fun of Moses....These 2 were making fun of Muhammad...These two knew their bible....

They knew that there was no Haman in the Pentateuch and Moses never mentioned anyone called Haman!




.........a Frenchman Dr. Maurice Buccaille a catholic is commissioned by the Church ter look inter the Qur'an and study its scientific aspects....


Now , read the full story


The Literal Word and the last laugh!
Written by Mithridates at 20 Mar 2005 19:50:20:


[ MUSLIM - CHRISTIAN DIALOGUE ]


.....It is the story of Qur'anic Haman a curious pope and his confessor!

Marraccio, confessor to Pope Innocent XI, is commissioned in 1698 CE to translate the Qur'an
inter latin....Sure enuff he does 'perzactly' that....




At long last, he brings the product of his effort forth for the pontiff ter read.... Alcoranus Textus Universus...The latter starts reading and comes to the following Qur'anic verse:




"Pharaoh said: O Chiefs! No god do I know for you but myself: therefore, o Haman! Light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace, that I may mount up to the god of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!)"

(28 'al-qasas', verse 38)




They (the innocent and his confessor.....If he is an innocent, what the heck fer does he need a confessor) look at each other and start laughing....Heheheheheee!!! Hehehehehee!!!!




Just like Pharoah was making fun of Moses....These 2 were making fun of Muhammad...These two knew their bible....They knew that there was no Haman in the Pentateuch and Moses never mentioned anyone called Haman!



It was clear ter these two that the Prophet of Islam was nothing more than what we call today a 'cut and paste artist'. A plagiarist who was found out ter b faulty...Mixing apples and oranges... U C, there is a Haman in the bible but this Haman appears in the book of Esther. He doesna appear in the 5 books of Moses.




And here is the author of the Qur'an mentioning someone called Haman having a tete with the Pharaoh of the day...... Years later an Englishman by name of George Sale translates the Qur'an....He didna know arabic but he knew Latin...He came across Marracio's manuscript...



Much easier ter translate than from Arabic....He also came to that same verse about "Haman"...And started laughing. Hehehehehehe!!!! Heeheheheh!!!! The orientalists and their lot who wrote a lotta books on Islam took it from there....They too were infected with this laughing bug....Hehehehehehe!! Hehehehhehe!!!!

These fellas have been laughing long enuff at the Qur'an and at the Prophet of Islam.....Destiny takes a hand or should i say the author of the Qur'an takes matters into His verra own hands and decides to settle the issue as promised in the verse.....



The Qur'an 41:53 "We will show them our proofs in the horizons, and within themselves, until they realize that this is the truth. Is your Lord not sufficient as a witness of all things?"



A while back, a Frenchman Dr. Maurice Buccaille a catholic is commissioned by the Church ter look inter the Qur'an and study its scientific aspects....




He goes about his task the correct way...First, he studies arabic in North Africa be4 approaching the Qur'an. Then he tackles the problem......He produces his findings in several articles and a book called The Bible, the Qur'an and Science ....CARRAMBA, CHE SORPRESA! This isna what U were commissioned fer darn it! We commissioned yah ter find fault with it and not the other way round.....Hehehehehehe!!!! U ingrate! U r excommunicated! Heheheheheee!!!!

Heheheh!!! Of course, he goes on ter write several more books on this subject....

Here is what he says on the subject of "Haman"....To understand the significance of what he says one must understand the story of the Rosetta stone....U can read it HERE


"The only valid investigation was to ask an expert in Old Egyptian for his opinion about the presence in the Qur'an of this name.......
.....In the book Reflections on the Qur'an (Réflexions sur le Coran), I have related the result of such a consultation that dates back to a dozen years ago and led me to question a specialist who, in addition, knew well the classical Arabic language. One of the most prominent French Egyptologists, fulfilling these conditions, was kind enough to answer the question.



I showed him the word "Haman" that I had copied exactly like it is written in the Qur'an, and told him that it had been extracted from a sentence of a document dating back to the 7th century AD, the sentence being related to somebody connected with Egyptian history.




He said to me that, in such a case, he would see in this word the transliteration of a hieroglyphic name but, for him, undoubtedly it could not be possible that a written document of the 7th century had contained a hieroglyphic name - unknown until that time - since, in that time, the hieroglyphs had been totally forgotten.

In order to confirm his deduction about the name, he advised me to consult the Dictionary of Personal Names of the New Kingdom by Ranke where I might find the name written in hieroglyphs, as he had written before me, and the transliteration in German.




I discovered all that had been presumed by the expert, and, moreover, I was stupefied to read the profession of Haman: "The Chief of the workers in the stone-quarries," exactly what could be deduced from the Qur'an, though the words of the Pharaoh suggest a master of construction.



When I came again to the expert with a photocopy of the page of the Dictionary concerning "Haman" and showed him one of the pages of the Qur'an where he could read the name, he was speechless...



Moreover, Ranke had noted, as a reference, a book published in 1906 by the Egyptologist Walter Wreszinski: the latter had mentioned that the name of "Haman" had been engraved on a stela kept at the Hof-Museum of Vienna (Austria). Several years later, when I was able to read the profession written in hieroglyphs on the stela, I observed that the determinative joined to the name had emphasised the importance of the intimate of Pharaoh.......




........Had the Bible or any other literary work, composed during a period when the hieroglyphs could still be deciphered, quoted "Haman," the presence in the Qur'an of this word might have not drawn special attention. But, it is a fact that the hieroglyphs had been totally forgotten at the time of the Qur'anic Revelation and that no one could not read them until the 19th century AD. Since matters stood like that in ancient times, the existence of the word "Haman" in the Qur'an suggests a special reflection."




Who is laughing now!! Hehehehe!!!! They are not laughing anymore.....Everyone is suddently aware of the Qur'an! They r not laughing anymore! They have taken notice! They are dealing with a heavy weight here....belay that a SUPER HEAVY WEIGHT.



In that very small verse of sura al-qassas of which had them laughin' for so long....there are 2 (i coulda said 3 but the third is no big deal) distinct things that are truly amazing....Firstly, it is only to the Potentate of Egypt at Moses' time that the Qur'an applies the title of Pharaoh....The one of Joseph's time it calls the KING....It doesna refer to it as the Pharaoh (as the bible does).....


This title was coined much later and the Qur'an is 'rite on the money here'...it also mentions that Pharaoh considered himself a god...which is also true...He is part of the Egyptian trinity....as Horus who became incarnate and hence part of the god-head.




Secondly there is the mention of Haman the chief builder (see above).

What did the Quranic verse promise?


The Qur'an 41:53 "We will show them our proofs in the horizons, and within themselves, until they realize that this is the truth. Is your Lord not sufficient as a witness of all things?"
It delivers here a KO punch! Ouch! And then some! The caiaphases as always have taken exception to the mention of burnt bricks in the verse....Heheheh!!!! Sheesh! They never learn!


"Ancient bricks were made in much the same way as mudbricks are still made in Egypt. The most important ingredient was Nile mud which naturally contains clay and sand in varying proportions. The clay content determines whether the mud will be sufficiently cohesive to form bricks without the addition of a binding agent such as chopped straw or animal dung."



A. J. Spencer, Brick Architecture In Ancient Egypt, 1979, Aris & Phillips Ltd., UK, p. 140.


"It must be concluded that burnt brick was known in Egypt at all periods, but used only when its durability would give particular advantage over the mud brick!"




H. Wilson, People of the Pharaohs: From Peasant to Courtier, 1997, Michael O'Mara Books Limited, London, pp. 36-37.


U have Nile mud all around yah...Chopped straw and animal dung ter booth! It doesna take yah long ter figure out how to bake'em bricks....Does it? Let's not forget that you are supposed ter have built them pyramids.... Heheheheee!!!!



When one reads the Quran, there are a lotta things that come ter mind ...There is the story of Iram and National geographic... Some other time, perhaps...



Peace again
It's by their posts ye shall know them!

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/B...QS/default.htm


The Bible, The Qur'an and Science
by Dr. Maurice Bucaille


THE HOLY SCRIPTURES EXAMINED IN THE LIGHT OF MODERN KNOWLEDGE

Translated from French

by Alastair D. Pannell and The Author


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[Khaldun]

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I am sorry to say but i was kinda put off by the way this was written. It looked half serious and was confusing at times, with the text language and what not.

[Muslim Woman]

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:sl:

I am sorry to say but i was kinda put off by the way this was written. It looked half serious and was confusing at times, with the text language and what not.

It was written by a non-Muslim in other forum ( long ago). yes , it's written in a hilarious way . I found it interesting .

It's amazing how a Christian Dr. Maurice Bucaille did his research on holy Quran . He was sure that no Haman was there during the time of Pharaoh as it's not mentioned in His holy book but later he found that indeed Haman was real.

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[MuslimCONVERT]

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It was written by a non-Muslim in other forum ( long ago). yes , it's written in a hilarious way . I found it interesting .

It's amazing how a Christian Dr. Maurice Bucaille did his research on holy Quran . He was sure that no Haman was there during the time of Pharaoh as it's not mentioned in His holy book but later he found that indeed Haman was real.

I actually knew the guy who wrote it. I was very common on the particular board it was posted on back when it was operational [no longer is, unfortunatley, as I enjoyed it very much]. This article is one of his better works!

Salaam

[rpwelton]

Amazing miracle, but this could have been presented in a much better way. I became worried when reading it how the English language has deteriorated so much on the Internet. I fear for our children.

[Muslim Woman]

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I actually knew the guy who wrote it.

Salaam

Bro , are u the revert one who posted audio lecture ...ummm...something regarding athiests and Islam ? U also posted ur marriage photoes there ?

[Muslim Woman]

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... I became worried when reading it how the English language has deteriorated so much on the Internet. I fear for our children.

well that particular non Muslim defended Islam in the forum more than Muslims did . I pray that Allah guides Him.

[rpwelton]

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well that particular non Muslim defended Islam in the forum more than Muslims did . I pray that Allah guides Him.

Yeah I was a bit harsh there. My apologies for that. This non-Muslim did a great thing by explaining one of the miracles of the Qur'an and exposing the fallacies of the lies the orientalists throw at our religion.

Insha'Allah, Allah will guide this person to the Truth.

[Uthman]

Brother Abdur-Raheem Green speaks about this in his series The Proof that Islam is the Truth. It might be easier to understand than the article. Here is the relevant video:

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He talks about it from 13:15 onwards.

[MuslimCONVERT]

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Bro , are u the revert one who posted audio lecture ...ummm...something regarding athiests and Islam ? U also posted ur marriage photoes there ?

That would be me. I was a youngen back then though. Don't hold anything I said against me. ;D

[Muslim Woman]

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That would be me. I was a youngen back then though. Don't hold anything I said against me. ;D

well . so far as I remember now , ur lecture was really good :statisfie . The forum has a thread of revert to Islam story , why not post yours there with those audio links ? How is our revert sis ? Is she a participant here ?


It's good that br Khaldun replied to that thread and it reminds me of Mith and br Yusuf - 2 wonderful non-Muslims I ever met online.

[MuslimCONVERT]

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well . so far as I remember now , ur lecture was really good :statisfie . The forum has a thread of revert to Islam story , why not post yours there with those audio links ? How is our revert sis ? Is she a participant here ?


It's good that br Khaldun replied to that thread and it reminds me of Mith and br Yusuf - 2 wonderful non-Muslims I ever met online.

My wife is fine alhamdulilah. We are living in Egypt now. She is an English teacher and I am working for Huda TV which is an English Islamic channel. I came here to learn Arabic. After a while I will return to the U.S. and be a Da'e inshallah. :-)

I'm sorry to say I don't remember you from that board. did you use a different nickname? You don't have to answer if you don't want.

Hope that you are i good health and Iman inshallah.

Salaam

[Muslim Woman]

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I am working for Huda TV which is an English Islamic channel.

Is it available in South Asia ?

I came here to learn Arabic.

May Allah make it easy for you , Ameen.

did you use a different nickname?

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yes and it needs a long explanation .


If u get any good news of Mith or br Yusuf , pl. don't forget to let me know. I remember , br Yusuf was from Cairo.

[MuslimCONVERT]

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Is it available in South Asia ?

Im not sure, but I know it is available in India and Pakistan..Past there I'm not sure...