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01-20-2007, 05:45 PM
Iran: Hitler was a Jew

Advisor to President Ahmadinejad claims Nazi leader was Jew who conspired with USSR and Britain to establish Jewish state

Dudi Goldman
Published: 01.02.07, 09:50

Just when you thought the Iranian leadership could stoop no further: MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute) reported that a top advisor to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claimed in an interview with Iranian website Baztab that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler's parents were both Jewish and that Hitler himself was one of the founders of the State of Israel.

In the interview, translated by MEMRI, Mohammad-Ali Ramin, a chief aide to Ahmadinejad, told Baztab that Hitler's paternal grandmother was a Jewish prostitute and his father even kept his Jewish name until finally changing it to Hitler when he was 40.



Ramin also claimed that the reason Hitler developed such an aversion to Judaism was because his Jewish mother was a promiscuous woman. Hitler therefore, says Ramin, tried to escape his religion.


Ramin cites a 1974 book by Hennecke Kardel titled 'Adolf Hitler: Founder of Israel', which alleges that Hitler strived to create a Jewish state as a result of being influenced by his Jewish relatives and his cooperation with Britain – which also wanted to drive the Jews out of Europe.


Ramin claims in the interview that Hitler both identified with his Judaism and was disgusted by it. It is these ambivalent feelings, said Ramin, that formed the basis for his treatment of Jews.



According to Ramin on the one hand Hitler's relatives and the friends who brought him to power, as well as his mistresses and personal physician, were all Jewish.



On the other hand he welcomed the expulsion of ambitious and influential Jews from Europe to the British Mandate of Palestine.


Itamar Eichner contributed to this report

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...347309,00.html
So, there your are.

The mystery behind Hitler is now solved! :okay: :D
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ManchesterFolk
01-20-2007, 06:58 PM
Already proven to be wrong.

Here are some Hitler quotes:
We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.
Here is another:
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922


Another:
Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity.

-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 28 July 1922
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Woodrow
01-20-2007, 07:01 PM
I recall this as being part of a propaganda campaign during the latter part of WW2 to diminish Hitler's power and credibility in Germany. I remember there was even a biography of him authered in the USA and secretly distributed into Germany allegedly about Hitler's family and that his real family name was Schekelgrubber.

I think a lot of Hitlers family history has now been lost under the mountains of propaganda that was being used to discredit history and it takes a German Historian with access to all German and Austrian Public records for the past 200 years to be able to reconstruct who or what Hitler really was.

Ironicaly I did have a Jewish friend in the last days of WW2 who personaly knew Hitler. He had visited Hitler several times. Oddly, although Hitler ruthlessly persecuted the Jews he kept contact with some Jews and they were semi-safe from extermination. But, he was a madman and nobody ever knew when and who his anger would lash out at. My former friend and his family escaped from Germany in about 1940 and ended up in the US in about 1950 when I met the 5 year old son who became a school mate and child hood friend. His family had tons of photographs of Hitler and the various family members. I remember they eventually burned all of the photographs and destroyed anything Nazi connected that they had brought with them.
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Muezzin
01-20-2007, 07:01 PM
Claiming Hitler was Jewish is so absurd that I can't even laugh.
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Akil
01-20-2007, 10:00 PM
Claiming Hitler was part Jewish is not new and has no factual basis.

I have never heard anyone say he was trying to establish a Jewish state though, that idea is beyond ridicules but Ahmadinejad is a wacko.

I foresee more cooperation between Iran and North Korea because they are both countries politically ruled by crazy people.
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IbnAbdulHakim
01-20-2007, 11:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
Claiming Hitler was Jewish is so absurd that I can't even laugh.

lol i could, quite a blasted lot ;D
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brenton
01-21-2007, 02:34 AM
Are we perhaps missing the point?
The claim that Hitler was a "Jew" is a backhanded antisemitic strike at Jews--then and now.
He may have had some Jewish roots--many Germans did. But his ideology came not from religion (Christian or Jewish), but from utility and power.
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Zulkiflim
01-21-2007, 03:26 AM
Salaam,

Ahmednijad is not saying anything new just what is already out there.

Did Ahmednijad say anything new about Hitler ?

Nope..

All this were already around and he just read them and believes them.

And i would say that hisory is so mixed up with truth and lies that no one can tell what is black and white anymore.

It may be that Hitler is not a Jew,,it may be he is
It may be that Hitler planned all this for the Holy Land..maybe he did not
Maybe Hitler is an agent for whomever for the good of the Jews ..maybe he is not.
So evryone has doubts,and the doubts will always remain.
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Zulkiflim
01-21-2007, 03:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
Already proven to be wrong.

Here are some Hitler quotes:
We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.
Here is another:
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922


Another:
Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity.

-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 28 July 1922

Heya

Again a mistake in whe usage of the word Jew..

A Jew can also be a muslim
A Jews can also be a chrisitan.
A jew can be agnostic..

you cnat change the race...you can just chage the belief..
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Muslim Knight
01-21-2007, 04:58 AM
Calling Hitler a Jew is like saying Charlie Chaplin was the leader of Nazi and that the UN was responsible for UNNazying the world. These made a stupid movie.
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Woodrow
01-21-2007, 05:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
Calling Hitler a Jew is like saying Charlie Chaplin was the leader of Nazi and that the UN was responsible for UNNazying the world. These made a stupid movie.
I saw Chaplin's movie "The Great Dictator" in which he was the leader of the Nazi party.
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Muslim Knight
01-21-2007, 11:13 AM
Chaplin was also mentioned as the leader of Nazi in the movie Idiocracy.

p/s - DON'T watch this movie. It reeks of stupidity.
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IbnAbdulHakim
01-21-2007, 11:56 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
Chaplin was also mentioned as the leader of Nazi in the movie Idiocracy.

p/s - DON'T watch this movie. It reeks of stupidity.
BUT was it funny?
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Woodrow
01-21-2007, 12:19 PM
I didn't see the movie "Idiocracy" but "The Great Dictator" was funny. It was an outstanding satire on Hitler and the Nazi party. They took full advantage of Chaplin's resemblance to Hitler, because of Chaplin's well known mustache.
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rav
01-21-2007, 03:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim
Heya

Again a mistake in whe usage of the word Jew..

A Jew can also be a muslim
A Jews can also be a chrisitan.
A jew can be agnostic..

you cnat change the race...you can just chage the belief..
If a Jew begins to accept idolatry then he is no longer a Jew. Judaism is no longer a "people" or "race" because converts ect. I believe you should think twice before pretending to be some type of authority on Judaism.

Plus, it has been proven these myths were untrue, and none of Hitlers ancestors were Jews.

It may be that Hitler planned all this for the Holy Land..
So Hitler killed 6 million Jews and teamed up with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to stop Jews from entering the Holy Land, to make a Jewish state? Your arguments make no sense.
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Muslim Knight
01-21-2007, 03:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
BUT was it funny?
No. The ONLY funny part is that the US President 500 years time in the future was a former porn star and WWE wrestler.

I wasted 2 hours of my life watching this piece of garbage. After that all movies I watched seem to be very closely related to the movie. It messed up my brains so badly I had to refrain from watching movies for sometime and wait till my head cleared up. Anyways we're sooo out of topic right now.
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'Abd al-Baari
01-21-2007, 03:52 PM
hitler... a jew
how absurd
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Zulkiflim
01-22-2007, 08:52 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rav
If a Jew begins to accept idolatry then he is no longer a Jew. Judaism is no longer a "people" or "race" because converts ect. I believe you should think twice before pretending to be some type of authority on Judaism.

Plus, it has been proven these myths were untrue, and none of Hitlers ancestors were Jews.



So Hitler killed 6 million Jews and teamed up with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to stop Jews from entering the Holy Land, to make a Jewish state? Your arguments make no sense.


Salaam,

Rav did you not in your othr post showed that all jews have a certain gene?

And the study show conclusively than non jews do not have it.

that it can be traced back to the first high priest,so are you doubting your own post?

Jews is a race,like Arabs is a race.

Jews are associated with Judaism and thus thus by proxy referred to Jews.
Arabs are associated to Islam and thus by proxy all Arabs are Muslims.

Is that right?

No..
It is the same in South east asia,for my race..well i am a mixed actually LOL.

But here in Singapore,when you say Malay it is associated with Islam,when some one ask you what is your religion,,people just say Malay..and the asker would automatically know Islam..

o when refereing to people of the follow of JUdaist it is referred to Judaist...
While Jews are a race from the loins of Abraham,as are arabs..

Both can be of ANY religion..

And your truth is set in your own mind,not in other,that is why people always doubt,the problem is this..

Do you force your views on toehr wihout listening to their views on your "truths"?

And Hitler teamed up with the Grand Mufti?LOL

Did i even mention Grand mufti?
LOL

Those are the theories on why the wstern world gave a land to a people who were never there..when they have loads of free land in their own coutnry.
the US counld have easily made another state in Texas LOL...

By the way,it is the norm for people to challenge accepted truth,casue then only then do we grow.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

Hitler was not sure who his paternal grandfather was, but it was probably either Johann Georg Hiedler or his brother Johann Nepomuk Hiedler. There have been rumours that Hitler was one-quarter Jewish [1] and that his paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, had become pregnant after working as a servant in a Jewish household in Graz. During the 1920s, the implications of these rumours along with his known family history were politically explosive, especially for the proponent of a racist ideology. Opponents tried to prove that Hitler, the leader of the anti-Semitic Nazi Party, had Jewish or Czech ancestors. Although these rumours were never confirmed, for Hitler they were reason enough to conceal his origins. Soviet propaganda insisted Hitler was a Jew, though more modern research tends to diminish the probability that he had Jewish ancestors. According to Robert G. L. Waite in The Psychopathic God: Adolf Hitler, Hitler made it illegal for German women to work in Jewish households, and after the "Anschluss" (annexation) of Austria, Hitler had his father's hometown obliterated by turning it into an artillery practice area. Hitler seemed to fear that he was Jewish, and as Waite points out, this fact is more important than whether he actually was.
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Muezzin
01-22-2007, 10:29 AM
Can we ensure we stay to the topic please, as absurd as it is?
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starfortress
01-22-2007, 10:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rav
If a Jew begins to accept idolatry then he is no longer a Jew. Judaism is no longer a "people" or "race" because converts ect. I believe you should think twice before pretending to be some type of authority on Judaism.
Now im confused,then which races or groups belong to them,what are the differences lies between Judaism and Jew.

It may be that Hitler planned all this for the Holy Land..maybe he did not -Zulkiflim

So Hitler killed 6 million Jews and teamed up with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to stop Jews from entering the Holy Land, to make a Jewish state? Your arguments make no sense.
Maybe yes,maybe not.

Don't you understand this word "maybe" means,sorry i added the last line coloured in red excactly from bro zul original statement.So, stop editing someoneelse statement to make it's looks misleads.
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rav
01-22-2007, 11:33 AM
Rav did you not in your othr post showed that all jews have a certain gene?
Just the Cohen of each group. Not all. A Cohen or High priest is not aloud to marry a convert, walk into cemetaries, and has many different regulations. The Cohen of Ethiopiamn Jews, have the same genes or very close to the white Polish Cohen.

Those are the theories on why the wstern world gave a land to a people who were never there..
Never there? Go read a bit back in your history book my friend.
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Zulkiflim
01-23-2007, 11:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rav
Just the Cohen of each group. Not all. A Cohen or High priest is not aloud to marry a convert, walk into cemetaries, and has many different regulations. The Cohen of Ethiopiamn Jews, have the same genes or very close to the white Polish Cohen.



Never there? Go read a bit back in your history book my friend.

Salaam,

do we have to thru this again..

By your own admission you say that the cohen are pure and this pureness extnd to all cohens...Thus it is a race..

Hope you understand that

And finally i meet a person who admits jews already livd in the land in peace together wth muslm and chrisitan in peace,,,before the western aggresion..
Maks one wonder why Israel must exist in the first place..

A mistake done by hitler by western religion is now paid by muslim blood.
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