So to clarify my I regard Israel as immoral and illegal, built on stolen land and taken from the Muslims and Christians of that area and given the Jews who immigrated from other parts of the World. I believe it should therefore be destroyed, wiped off the map as a nation.
Your first wrong assumption. Less than 50% of Jews who currently live in Israel today are born of parents who are of European Jewry. Arab Jews are the majority in Israel's Jewish poulation. Many kicked out or fled because of Arab riots and hatred against them and many never left and had a presence in the land for a long time.
http://www.samuelfreedman.com/articl...t10132003.html
Even at the height of the Arab revolt in 1938, the British High Commissioner to Palestine believed the Arab landowners were complaining about sales to Jews to drive up prices for lands they wished to sell. Many Arab landowners had been so terrorized by Arab rebels they decided to leave Palestine and sell their property to the Jews.
Porath (77), pp. 86-87.
A compromise position is best to be reached that will not breach the rights of the Palestinians, will allow the Jews a way out of the moral mess they have created and will also be in accordance with God’s law as laid out in the Quran (God’s final book to mankind) and the Sunnah (the example left to us by God’s final prophet and messenger – Muhammad (saws)).
Okay, so in your view there is no compromise. Your right, they are wrong that is it. Not only is that a narrow way of looking at life in general, but about the majority of the world believes there is no more an Arab right to the land then a Jewish right. If you did not notice, you speak of the Quran, yet the Quran was written and Muhammad was born in 570 AD, centuries upon centuries earlier the Jews were residing in Jerusalem and the Holy land. The Arabs that have genetic ties to there bretherin from Arabia have no relation to the land and came into the scene much later.
This image shows a sign of proof that the Holy Temple to the Jews did exist way before Muhammad and they were residing there:
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This would obviously not be easy and these are my own views, not any ‘official’ Islamic position, just a way I see out of this moral mess of the Israeli-Muslim Ummah conflict that respects all and doesn’t breach the rules of Islam.
Your morality is not viewed as very moral to the rest of the world. Soon every Jew in Israel will be the son or relative of one who "stole land". Are you going to drive them all out, they are not natives now? An Arab argument is, The Jews were there thousands of years ago, are you going to drive out the Arabs even though they have been their for such a long time, and tell the Arabs to give the land back to the Jews. "They didn't take it". This will be the case with the Jews as well.
Your solutions, are not solutions. They are apeasing you, and saying "to hell" with the rest of the world. You obviously have no interest in global peace or understanding, so therefore,
why should anyone care to make peace with you? You obviously care nothing to make peace with Israel.
Why a truce and not a peace settlement? Well in Islam we cannot hand over one hand span of Muslim land, to do so would be ruling by other than God and his final messenger have revealed and could even be judged an act of apostasy therefore.
What makes it Muslim land? Go back to its origins and it is pagan land, but these pagans are no longer around, so the latest surviving people who lived in the land are the Jews. A truce does nothing. For Israel to go back to 1967 borders would be suicide if there was no peace agreement signed. The 1967 borders make the vulnerable again, so why make them vulnerable for peace for 25 years and then another attack. That is just dumb!
The piece of land they stole is surrounded by Muslims, Muslims who are increasingly turning towards their faith more and more and demanding Islamic rule. Sooner or later an Islamic state will come about and when it does it will be hostile towards Israel.
If that happens, it will certainly not go well for the islamic world because I can garuntee you that if an invading army destroys Israel, they will launch Nukes at all of there enemies before they go out. It is there insurance policy to deter an attack.
No more Israel, could equal no more many Islamic countries who attacked her.
If a legitimate truce is already in place they would have to respect that and practicing Muslims can be trusted with their word if given. The secularists like the PLO cannot be trusted, they don’t believe in God truly as they think his rule is incomplete so how can you trust such a person not to lie another of God’s commands?
Hamas is currently in the middle of a truce, yet have launched over 65 rockets into pre-1967 Israel at civilians. How can they be respected to keep their truce?
The Palestinians didn’t Gas you, burn you and make soap out of you
May I introduce you to the old Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (A Palestinian). You might be friends:
The Grand Mufti and Hitler Image
The Grand Mufti overlooking SS recruits (SS ran the death camps)
Grand Mufti gives the "Heil Hitler" salute.
Now you say you want a homeland, somewhere Jews can go and live according to their customs and laws, well buy it don’t steal it.
By 1947, proof shows that the Zionists had actually purchased a huge amount of the land that was swamp before they made them into cities.
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/6640/zion/emek.html
Land in Palestine was largely owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. Absentee landlords were not unique to the Mandate of Palestine. The refusal of absentee landlords to sell land to local residents lead to riots on Prince Edward Island (Canada) in the 1860's and in Ireland (from the 1640's) contributed significantly to the trouble that continues till today.
The problem of absentee landlords is not only historic, even today absentee landlords prevent land improvement, reduction of poverty and increases in living standards. Unlike someone who lives near the land they own and manage, absentee landlords do not take much interest in the land. They drain local wealth, particularly that of rural areas and the Third World. At the time question, Palestine was definitly part of the third world, about 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. The Zionist sought to change this, and they did. In 1937 the Peel Commission (a British Royal Commission of inquiry) issues a report that concluded that the Jews in Palestine (along with the work of the British Administration) had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities.
Palestine Royal Commission (1937), pp. 241-242
1. The Jews of Israel accept the sovereignty of the Islamic state which should God willing be in place at the end of such a truce, THIS IS A MUST FOR MUSLIMS around the world for just an agreement to be respected. As Muslims we cannot let you take this land and say it is yours. You can own land within the Islamic state, but you cannot say it is not part of that state.
How is that fair? If a Jew came up to you and said you must accept Jewish sverereignty they would say never. To make this claim is ridiculous, and it would lead to Jewish deaths, destruction of Jewish prayer areas, much more.
This demand is not only unsuitable, but if you were a lawyer tring to negotiate I would fire you.
2. The Jews in their personal affairs, within their own towns and cities would be free to live by their own laws as based upon their scripture and this would have to be respected by the Muslims. But when dealing with Muslims they would have to do so through the laws found in the Shariah and respect the external foreign policies of the Muslim state also.
Or you could leave it as it is now. Full Muslim control over the Temple Mount, and Muslims may practice there religion freely just like Sikhs and Bahai's.
3. The Jews would have to pay the Jiziyah, for the protection of the Islamic state they lived in and could levy their own taxes to run their own affairs.
That is just plain funny. If the Jews ever made Muslims pay a tax for "protection" the Islamic world would scream like a bunch of wild babies. What would the Jews be proected from "riots against them like the riots in palestine against the Jews before '48?
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~samuel/britainriots.html
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mid..._Palestine.asp
http://www.aish.com/Israel/articles/..._on_a_riot.asp
4. Jews could choose to move to this land if they wished and buy land there if they wished, as they could to any part of such a future Muslim state, other than the land of the two holy sanctuaries.
Is that fair, especially since Jews give you cotrol over your site? Oh wait, us Non-Muslims are second class citizens to you. Your elitist and supremist attitude is compeltly "fair" to your insane moral code.
5. Each Jewish family or community would have to negotiate a compensation settlement with the Palestinians whose land they are living on if it was stolen in the first place. Where the Palestinian people could have a piece of land back if they wished or the Jews could buy it off them if they could agree a price between themselves. Such deals are likely given that the original inhabitants of that land would be long dead and so their heirs would not be able to all live on it anyway so makes sense for them to sell it and split the proceeds.
6. All Such agreements would have to be respected by the Muslim State forever more and couldn’t be reopened once agreed by the family and those whose land they are on but if the family wanted their land back, well it is theirs and it has to be returned to them and those who are living on it will have to buy somewhere else to live.
What happens if not such Truce or Agreement?
What will happen if there is no such truce or agreement between us?
Well the Muslim State, the Khilafate is going to come back, God willing soon. But sooner or later it will come about And if no such truce is in place they don’t have to respect any previous agreements signed through secularists like the PLO that don’t conform to Islamic standards.
Such a state would almost certainly make War upon Israel and attempt to destroy it, as we would see it as our duty to correct such a terrible historic wrong. Now maybe they would impose a just settlement to all parties afterwards… or perhaps they would deal with the Jews by expelling them all to Europe or even taking them as captives or worse for the Jews killing their men folk and enslaving the rest. All permissible in Islamic Law against a people behaving as the Jews of Israel are behaving.
So any of the above things could happen, so really its in the interests of the Palestinians, in the future interests of the Jews of Israel to make a truce now and when a future Islamic state comes about make a deal with them, a just settlement that will not compromise on Islamic law, but will see this conflict resolved once and for everyone’s benefit so future wars can be avoided.
The rest of your post is so laughable it is not even funny. How can I even respond to this, except to point you towards a history book and show you that your radical extremist views, and arrogance is just going to lead you to another downfall.
Your solution makes as much sense as Jews negotiating and taking palestinian homes because the Palestinians lived on the land of there ancestors 2,000 years ago.
Both of your religious claims on the land are dumb and will never be recongnized by the world.
Your in a dream land. WAKE UP.