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Showkat
01-31-2007, 04:43 PM
Top 10 Dilemmas of the Muslim soldier in the British Army
http://www.7cgen.com/index.php?showtopic=7606
By Showkat Ali



1.Constantly having to prove yourself to your colleagues that your more British and loyal to the Union Jack than you are to Islam and Muslims

2.Agree with your colleagues when they bad mouth Muslims and Islam and not say anything even though u know that they are talking B……T and are ignorant and racist.

3.Not pray or fast in Ramadhan because that would label you a fanatic.

4.Keep quite when Muslim men, women and children are interrogated (abused) Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo style. Even forced to participate just to prove that your loyal to Britain

5.Accept military rations because to ask for halal meat would portray u as a fundamentalist Muslim.

6.Have hatred and contempt for your forefathers who fought and resisted British colonialism in the 1920s and 30s because like u they didn’t join the British army to kill fellow Muslims and establish colonial rule.

7.Rejected by your community, friends and family as a traitor ,chamcha and ghulam of the British

8.A minority of Muslims might plan and plot to kidnap u, torture u and record your beheading to be posted on the internet as a warning and deterrent to others who might be considering a career in the Crusader armies.

9.Find it difficult to get married to a practicing Muslim woman who wants a husband that the children would be proud of.

10.Problems on the day of judgement when Allah swt rejects your martyrdom because u died fighting under the union jack and promoting the colonialist Crusader agenda.

I challenge anyone to refute any of the above points based on Islamic evidences and that from the reality. Please forward widely, post on discussion boards, mailing lists and edit and add as u please. JazakAllah khair in advance

May Allah swt keep the Muslims communities unified in this time of great pressure and test. May Allah swt humiliate those who accuse believers without evidence and expose them as the liars once again e.g Iraq war, forest Gate raid, Muslims in Guantanamo bay etc. Please
Help the ummah and forward this article.

Author: Showkotali@hotmail.com
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- Qatada -
01-31-2007, 04:57 PM
:salamext:


subhaan Allaah! that's some nex level stuff bro.
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FBI
01-31-2007, 05:00 PM
:sl:

Good work bro.
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Showkat
02-03-2007, 10:37 PM
Jzk brothers for your kind words and please forward as widely as u can inshAllah
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NobleMuslimUK
02-04-2007, 05:55 AM
What are you trying to promote here, is this a detterant to any muslim in the UK not to join the British Army? I didnt realise muslims were queing up at the British Army offices to enlist.
And whats this rubbish about Top 10 dilemmas? Is this the chart countdown? A muslims whole life is a struggle, as you can see everyone is fighting off some kind of temptation and evil within themselves.
You cannot be in a position to call someone an apostate without proof or else your going to be held accountable, the number of muslims in the British forces is fractional. Maybe Allah SWT has put them there for a purpose.

Allah SWT knows best.
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NobleMuslimUK
02-04-2007, 06:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Showkat
Top 10 Dilemmas of the Muslim soldier in the British Army
http://www.7cgen.com/index.php?showtopic=7606
By Showkat Ali

Ok I will refute your claims on the basis that they dont just apply to someone serving in the Army

1.Constantly having to prove yourself to your colleagues that your more British and loyal to the Union Jack than you are to Islam and Muslims
Isnt this the dilemma every muslim now faces in the UK, as the government has been asking us where our loyalties lie by telling us we are not integrating.

2.Agree with your colleagues when they bad mouth Muslims and Islam and not say anything even though u know that they are talking B……T and are ignorant and racist.
Also this can occur with anyone at work, so you start bad mouthing them back, you can guess where the conversation will lead then

3.Not pray or fast in Ramadhan because that would label you a fanatic.
You are in no position to judge who prays and fasts

4.Keep quite when Muslim men, women and children are interrogated (abused) Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo style. Even forced to participate just to prove that your loyal to Britain
How many Muslim British soldiers have been involved in the evil in Abu Ghraib prison, or in the abuse and torture of Guantanamo Bay detainees, these types of incidents are largely courtesy of US army

5.Accept military rations because to ask for halal meat would portray u as a fundamentalist Muslim.
Halaal food might be a problem, although they are appealing more muslim youths join the army so they probably cater for this need, only a real idiot would potray you as a fundamentalist to ask for Halal food. The jews must not ask for Kosher food for the same fear maybe.

6.Have hatred and contempt for your forefathers who fought and resisted British colonialism in the 1920s and 30s because like u they didn’t join the British army to kill fellow Muslims and establish colonial rule.
So your exclusive interview with them concludes they harbor this hatred?

7.Rejected by your community, friends and family as a traitor ,chamcha and ghulam of the British
They dont just jump out of the closet to announce they are serving in the army, I am sure their friends and family are aware of this fact

8.A minority of Muslims might plan and plot to kidnap u, torture u and record your beheading to be posted on the internet as a warning and deterrent to others who might be considering a career in the Crusader armies.
Are you part of that minority of muslims planning this? Your stupidity plays right into the governments plans

9.Find it difficult to get married to a practicing Muslim woman who wants a husband that the children would be proud of.
A practising muslim woman only marries a man, so that the children they have can be proud of the father? Pride is Haraam.

10.Problems on the day of judgement when Allah swt rejects your martyrdom because u died fighting under the union jack and promoting the colonialist Crusader agenda.
They will probably come across combat at some point or another, that doesnt mean they are necessarily promoting a colonialist crusade agenda. SInce a British Muslim Soldier to you is an Oxymoron, then how will a non muslim in your opinion, be considered a martyr at all?

I challenge anyone to refute any of the above points based on Islamic evidences and that from the reality. Please forward widely, post on discussion boards, mailing lists and edit and add as u please. JazakAllah khair in advance
I hope in the future you will put more thought into your posts such as this.

May Allah swt keep the Muslims communities unified in this time of great pressure and test. May Allah swt humiliate those who accuse believers without evidence and expose them as the liars once again e.g Iraq war, forest Gate raid, Muslims in Guantanamo bay etc. Please
Help the ummah and forward this article.

Author: Showkotali@hotmail.com
Allah SWT knows best
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zaki.aumeerudy
02-04-2007, 09:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Showkat
Top 10 Dilemmas of the Muslim soldier in the British Army
http://www.7cgen.com/index.php?showtopic=7606
By Showkat Ali



1.Constantly having to prove yourself to your colleagues that your more British and loyal to the Union Jack than you are to Islam and Muslims

2.Agree with your colleagues when they bad mouth Muslims and Islam and not say anything even though u know that they are talking B……T and are ignorant and racist.

3.Not pray or fast in Ramadhan because that would label you a fanatic.

4.Keep quite when Muslim men, women and children are interrogated (abused) Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo style. Even forced to participate just to prove that your loyal to Britain

5.Accept military rations because to ask for halal meat would portray u as a fundamentalist Muslim.

6.Have hatred and contempt for your forefathers who fought and resisted British colonialism in the 1920s and 30s because like u they didn’t join the British army to kill fellow Muslims and establish colonial rule.

7.Rejected by your community, friends and family as a traitor ,chamcha and ghulam of the British

8.A minority of Muslims might plan and plot to kidnap u, torture u and record your beheading to be posted on the internet as a warning and deterrent to others who might be considering a career in the Crusader armies.

9.Find it difficult to get married to a practicing Muslim woman who wants a husband that the children would be proud of.

10.Problems on the day of judgement when Allah swt rejects your martyrdom because u died fighting under the union jack and promoting the colonialist Crusader agenda.

I challenge anyone to refute any of the above points based on Islamic evidences and that from the reality. Please forward widely, post on discussion boards, mailing lists and edit and add as u please. JazakAllah khair in advance

May Allah swt keep the Muslims communities unified in this time of great pressure and test. May Allah swt humiliate those who accuse believers without evidence and expose them as the liars once again e.g Iraq war, forest Gate raid, Muslims in Guantanamo bay etc. Please
Help the ummah and forward this article.

Author: Showkotali@hotmail.com

why should u work for the british army , is there any better job
that is a better solution what do u think???
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NobleMuslimUK
02-05-2007, 04:38 PM
No one is forced to do so, since some did make that choice then they have to live with it.
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FBI
02-05-2007, 04:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
No one is forced to do so, since some did make that choice then they have to live with it.
Yeah they should stop complaining when someone decides to behead them :D
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zaki.aumeerudy
02-05-2007, 06:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
No one is forced to do so, since some did make that choice then they have to live with it.
that is right do not put our hand into fire and then say it is burning
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Muezzin
02-05-2007, 07:33 PM
Fishman asked an excellent question in another thread. It was something along the lines of:

Say a Hitler-type Non-Muslim springs up in a foreign country, starts invading other countries and committing genocide, and is currently bombing Britain. Would there be any problem with Muslims serving in the British Army in such a scenario?
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Pk_#2
02-05-2007, 07:48 PM
I smell a merge *oopsie* :statisfie
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NobleMuslimUK
02-08-2007, 12:31 AM
I would like to point out this is Britain and since they dont follow shariah law we cant really apply it in that sense, if this was an Islamic country then an apostate is punishable by death since it isnt an Islamic country then this action isnt justified.
Lets not forget so called muslim countries are more pro active in helping the kuffar against our brothers and sisters.
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FBI
02-08-2007, 12:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
Fishman asked an excellent question in another thread. It was something along the lines of:

Say a Hitler-type Non-Muslim springs up in a foreign country, starts invading other countries and committing genocide, and is currently bombing Britain. Would there be any problem with Muslims serving in the British Army in such a scenario?
aslong as the Muslim keeps in line with Islamic teachings and his intentions are fisibililah.
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