let's find the truth together ..

[mariam.]

Before you go any further in reading this post, please ask yourself whether you are a honest truth seeker or just another argumentative person..
remamber that God is here .. beside you knows what are you doing .. Knows what are you thinking about .. remamber what he gift you with all during your life ..
If yes continue, otherwise, save your time and Leave.

"Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! God has chosen you and
purified
you - Chosen you above the women of all nations." Qur'an-3:42


THE SOURCE OF HIS MESSAGE"Chosen you above the women of all nations." Such an honour is
not to be found given to Mary even in the Christian Bible!
...........
Knowing full-well, and believing as we do, that the whole Quran
is the veritable Word of God, we will nevertheless agree, for
the sake of argument, with the enemies of Muhammed (pbuh) for a
moment, that he wrote it. We can now expect some cooperation
from the unbeliever.

Ask him, "Have you any qualms in agreeing that Muhammed (pbuh)
was an Arab?" Only an opinionated fool will hesitate to agree.
In that case there is no sense in pursuing any discussion. Cut
short the talk. Close the book!

With the man of reason, we proceed. "That this Arab, in the
first instance, was addressing other Arabs. He was not talking
to Indian Muslims, Chinese Muslims, or Nigerian Muslims. He was
addressing his own people - the Arabs. Whether they agreed with
him or not, he told them in the most sublime form - words that
were seared into the hearts and minds of his listeners that Mary
the mother of Jesus -A JEWESS- was chosen above the women of all
nations. Not his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor
any other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Can one explain this?
Because to everyone his own mother or wife, or daughter would
come before other women.

Why would the Prophet of Islam honour a woman from his
opposition! and a Jewess at that! belonging to a race which had
been looking down upon his people for three thousand years? Just
as they still look down upon their Arab brethren today.


SARAH AND HAGARThe Jews get their view from their Sriptures, where
they are told their father, Abraham, had two wives -Sarah and
Hagar. They say that they are the children of Abraham through
Sarah, his legitimate wife; that their Arab brethren have
descended through Hagar, a "bondwoman", and that as such, the
Arabs are inferior breed.

Will anyone please explain the anomaly as to why Muhammed (pbuh)
(if he is the author) chose this Jewess for such honour? The
answer is simple - HE HAD NO CHOICE - he had no right to speak
of his own desire. "IT IS NO LESS THAN AN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN
TO HIM." (Qur'an, 53:4).


SURA MARYAMThere is a Chapter in the Holy Quran, named Sura Maryam "Chapter
Mary" (XIX) named in honour of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ
(pbuh); again, such an honour is not to be found given to Mary
in the Christian Bible. Out of the 66 books of the Protestants
and 73 of the Roman Catholics, not one is named after Mary or
her son. You will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke,
John, Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but not a
single one is that of Jesus or Mary!

If Muhammed (pbuh) was the author of the Holy Quran, then he
would not have failed to include in it with MARYAM, the mother
of Jesus, his own mother - AMINA, his dear wife - KHADIJA, or
his beloved daughter - FATIMA. But No! No! this can never be.
The Quran is not his handiwork!

what are you thinking about? do you Have any question? any objection please tell me .. to find the truth together.
If you have any .. about any other subject ... Iam yours
let's begin .. let's find the truth together
peace

[arabiyyah]

They say that they are the children of Abraham through
Sarah, his legitimate wife; that their Arab brethren have
descended through Hagar, a "bondwoman", and that as such, the
Arabs are inferior breed.

when do they say that?

[mariam.]

when do they say that?

peace be upon you arabiyyah:
actually, I don't understeand exactly what you mean by your Question..
this script is writen by " Ahmed Deedat " and he has a well knowledge about this subjects.
and this fact is known .. Arabs are the sons of Ishmael and the Jews are the sons of Isaac.
look in the bible, Genesis 16 (New International Version):
(Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her." Abram agreed to what Sarai said ....)I don't mean by this script to hurt the Jews ..
thank my sis .. If you have any Q .. Iam yours
peace

[arabiyyah]

peace be upon you arabiyyah:
actually, I don't understeand exactly what you mean by your Question..
this script is writen by " Ahmed Deedat " and he has a well knowledge about this subjects.
and this fact is known .. Arabs are the sons of Ishmael and the Jews are the sons of Isaac.
look in the bible, Genesis 16 (New International Version):
(Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her." Abram agreed to what Sarai said ....)I don't mean by this script to hurt the Jews ..
thank my sis .. If you have any Q .. Iam yours
peace

im sayin that i have never seen a jew or bible call arabs inferior so i wanted to know where they say it.

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[mariam.]

im sayin that i have never seen a jew or bible call arabs inferior so i wanted to know where they say it.

my sis .. he said

and that as such , the Arabs are inferior breed.

and that mean in Arabic وهذا في حد ذاته
they didn't say that by them tongue .. they said that by them deed
do you know any thing about the sefardim (Easterner Jews) in Israel they considered by the other Jews as inferior jews .. so what that mean?
why they don't allow any one to be Jews?
they look to all nations like that not only for Arabs .............
am sooo sorry for the Jews here I didn't mean to hurt you
peace

[lavikor201]

do you know any thing about the sefardim (Easterner Jews) in Israel they considered by the other Jews as inferior jews .. so what that mean?

I'm an Arab Jew and I have never had any person who is white Jew call me inferior. The racism you suggest is non existant, and you are completly making this up.

why they don't allow any one to be Jews?

We do, a Jew from Turkey on this board is a convert to Judaism, we just make it difficult because we believe you do not have to be Jewish to go to heaven, and only 100% commited people should convert.

they look to all nations like that not only for Arabs .............

Untrue, Judaism teaches that all nations are equal, but Jews must follow more laws from G-d (the 613 laws) while non-Jews only have to follow seven laws (the laws of Noah).

am sooo sorry for the Jews here I didn't mean to hurt you

You didn't hurt me at all, but you certainly proved your ignorance.

[Jayda]

hola mariam,

...

the Bible says that the Arabs are descended from Abraham and his hand maiden Hagar, it is meant to show the blood connection between Jews and Arabs, not to make Jews seem greater than Arabs... in fact the Bible goes on to say that Abraham prays for Ishmael and God promises to make him (Ishmael) the father of a great nation...

Dios te bendiga

[IbnAbdulHakim]

but jayda, zakir naik and ahmed deedat ALWAYS quote .... how can they lie?

[mariam.]

lavikor201: but you certainly proved your ignorance.

are you trying to make me angry?
actually, I don't care about your view.. Ok

I'm an Arab Jew and I have never had any person who is white Jew call me inferior. The racism you suggest is non existant, and you are completly making this up.

thank you to make me know that .. that's make me happy
I see a documentary program on TV about this subject .. and they said that not me .. and I feel so sad to see that happening to the Arabs there.

We do, a Jew from Turkey on this board is a convert to Judaism

he is not from the sons of Israel??

Judaism teaches that all nations are equal

when I talking about Jews I don't mean Judaism teaches .. I mean the follower deed.

but Jews must follow more laws from G-d (the 613 laws) while non-Jews only have to follow seven laws (the laws of Noah).

I know that .. but why? isn't that racism?

Jayda:the Bible says that the Arabs are descended from Abraham and his hand maiden Hagar, it is meant to show the blood connection between Jews and Arabs, not to make Jews seem greater than Arabs... in fact the Bible goes on to say that Abraham prays for Ishmael and God promises to make him (Ishmael) the father of a great nation...

I Know all what you said .. I read it in the bible
so please don't converse with me as I bring this script from my mind
it's writen by Ahmed deedat .. that he know better than me
and I said to you all: let's find the truth together, not come on! this's the truth
peace

[glo]

hola mariam,

...

the Bible says that the Arabs are descended from Abraham and his hand maiden Hagar, it is meant to show the blood connection between Jews and Arabs, not to make Jews seem greater than Arabs... in fact the Bible goes on to say that Abraham prays for Ishmael and God promises to make him (Ishmael) the father of a great nation...

Dios te bendiga

To emphasize Jayda's post, here is the scripture:

God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."

Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?" And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!"

Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
(Genesis 17:15-22)

Peace

[mariam.]

To emphasize Jayda's post, here is the scripture

Hi glo thank you so much for this reply ..

we are ( moslems) believe in all the prophts and books (Torah,Gosple,Quran)..
so,I want you to know that when Iam talking about this three religion in negative .. I mean the followers.
don't understand that I design to spread the hate between us .. I design to make us as one .. to understand each other.
why we try once a time to seek the truth .. why we always do what's we like to do .. but we don't try to find what God want us to do.
finally I will leave you with this Quranic verses:
"And mention Ibrahim in the Book; surely he was a truthful man, a prophet.
When he said to his father; O my father! why do you worship what neither hears nor sees, nor does it avail you in the least:
O my father! truly the knowledge has come to me which has not come to you, therefore follow me, I will guide you on a right path:
O my father! serve not the Shaitan, surely the Shaitan is disobedient to the Beneficent God:
O my father! surely I fear that a punishment from the Beneficent God should afflict you so that you should be a friend of the Shaitan.
He said: Do you dislike my gods, O Ibrahim? If you do not desist I will certainly revile you, and leave me for a time.
He said: Peace be on you, I will pray to my Lord to forgive you; surely He is ever Affectionate to me:
And I will withdraw from you and what you call on besides Allah, and I will call upon my Lord; may be I shall not remain unblessed in calling upon my Lord.
So when he withdrew from them and what they worshipped besides Allah, We gave to him Ishaq and Yaqoub, and each one of them We made a prophet.
And We granted to them of Our mercy, and We left (behind them) a truthful mention of eminence for them.
And mention Musa in the Book; surely he was one purified, and he was an apostle, a prophet.
And We called to him from the blessed side of the mountain, and We made him draw nigh, holding communion (with Us).
And We gave to him out of Our mercy his brother Haroun a prophet.
And mention Ismail in the Book; surely he was truthful in (his) promise, and he was an apostle, a prophet.
And he enjoined on his family prayer and almsgiving, and was one in whom his Lord was well pleased.
And mention Idris in the Book; surely he was a truthful man, a prophet,
And We raised him high in Heaven.
These are they on whom Allah bestowed favors, from among the prophets of the seed of Adam, and of those whom We carried with Nuh, and of the seed of Ibrahim and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose; when the communications of the Beneficent God were recited to them, they fell down making obeisance and weeping.
But there came after them an evil generation, who neglected prayers and followed and sensual desires, so they win meet perdition,
Except such as repent and believe and do good, these shall enter the garden, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly in any way"
peace

[eagleye]

it must be a human trait to feel wanted to be related to some kind bloodline that would whitewash the feelings of inferiority.
great people, became not 'great' cause of their significant bloodline. but for their remarkable contribution to humankind.

[eagleye]

people should center how to assemble hearts. not to devide cause someone is an arab, an israeli or an anglo saxon. nor muslim or a jew...etc. this is a personal matter and what really matters is we are all humans.

[mariam.]

it must be a human trait to feel wanted to be related to some kind bloodline that would whitewash the feelings of inferiority.
great people, became not 'great' cause of their significant bloodline. but for their remarkable contribution to humankind.
people should center how to assemble hearts. not to devide cause someone is an arab, an israeli or an anglo saxon. nor muslim or a jew...etc. this is a personal matter and what really matters is we are all humans.

Hi eagleye thank you for this reply ..
what you said is exactly the right, prophet mohammad peace be upon him said: " All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action."
peace