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michaelconvert
02-06-2007, 03:36 AM
Im trying to learn Arabic, but for the time being can i pray in english? I know all the positions and words in english. I was also wondering what it means for a prayer to be silent. I looked at some site to learn to pray and it says that some prayers are silent and some are aloud. In the silent prayer do you say nothing at all?

salaam
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Muhammad
02-07-2007, 11:35 AM
:sl: Michael,

Congratulations on finding Islam; may Allaah keep you strong and bestow knowledge upon you, Aameen :).

The best thing is to try and learn the Arabic words as soon as possible and try to be able to recite at least the most important parts of the prayer - like Surah al Fatihah for example. I don't know if it's ok to perform a prayer in English though. May Allaah make it easy for you to learn these new things, Aameen.

Here are some sites that tell you how to pray:

http://english.islamway.com/sindex.php?section=prayer
http://muslimconverts.com/prayer/how-to-pray-intro.htm
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13340&ln=eng
http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/toc.html

Let us know if you have any problems Insha'Allaah, we are all here to help!
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tomtomsmom
02-07-2007, 02:23 PM
Have you checked with your local mosque about arabic classes? If I remember correctly you are in Texas right? I also live in the states and at my local mosque they offer free arabic classes for anyone who wants to learn. You might wanna check that out.
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ژاله
02-07-2007, 03:05 PM
:sl:
welcome to islam bro
i pray that Allah makes it easier for you
as far as i know,prayers cant be offered in english
wassalam
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michaelconvert
02-08-2007, 05:03 AM
thanks
Im trying to learn from the sites. My friend and I are going to mosque friday so i will ask them. Its is almost like i can hear the words in my head but i can sound them out.
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- Qatada -
02-08-2007, 12:19 PM
Asalaamu 'alykum (Peace be upon you) bro.


Welcome to islaam, and i'm guessing your bro Aman's mate right? :)


I'm not really sure if this link will be of any help to you, but please check it anyway:

http://sabbir.com/DownloadHalal.html


It's Qur'an in Arabic audio and english translation - verse by verse. Hope it benefits you insha'Allaah [God willing.]


Hope you benefit from these links too insha'Allaah:

http://www.sparklywater.com/sparklywater/downloads.html
http://www.islam.com/salat/salatfinal.html

http://muslimconverts.com/prayer/how-to-pray-intro.htm
http://muttaqun.com/prayer/toc.html

How to Pray


Peace.
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kwolney01
09-06-2007, 02:06 AM
I had the same question..thanks for all of the advice
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Skillganon
09-10-2007, 12:28 AM
Originally Posted by Malaak
:sl:
welcome to islam bro
i pray that Allah makes it easier for you
as far as i know,prayers cant be offered in english
wassalam
EDIT:

Correction:

Prayer is offered in Arabic.

@ Michaelconvert.

Now the situation the brother is in, he should offer the part easy part in arabic (refer to the excerpt below), but it should not be taken that you neglect your duty to learn the prayer in arabic, or that he think's it is not neccesary to offer it in arabic and starts offering it in english.


It is not that hard and after couple of day's you will be offering in full in arabic.
Trust me on that once you start putting all you hard work and effort you would become proficient.
Also one has to remember to atleast know more or less what you are saying in arabic.
:sunny:

Here is an excerpt

Second: If you have not yet learned the manner and characteristics of performing the prayer (i.e. at least the movements and positions), appended to this message is a description from which you can learn. What is requried from you for the time being is to say in the beginning of the prayer and between each movement between positions "Allaahu ak-bar" (a glorification of Allaah). While standing, bowing, prostrating, and sitting, you should say "subhaan allaah wal-hamdu lillaah wa-laa ilaaha illallaahu wallaahu akbar." (Glory be to Allaah, and praise and thanks be to Allaah, and there is no god but Allaah, and Allaah is the most Exalted and Great.) Then conclude the prayer by turning your head to the right then left, each time saying "as-salaamu alaikum."

This way of performing salaat is permissible for you until you can learn and memorize what should be said in each movement and position of the salaat.


I ask Allaah to aid you and ease your affairs, and to bestow upon you the blessing of Islaam and perseverence in adhering to it. We are ready and willing to assist in explaining or helping to solve any problem or difficulty

Islam-qa
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Md Mashud
09-10-2007, 12:31 AM
Now the situation the brother is in, yes he can offer the it in english since e is learning
I wouldn't think so. Don't fear though, aslong as you are learning arabic, you shouldn't be accountable for not being able to do the prayers. The prayers MUST be done in Arabic, as it is impure to do so otherwise - there is no guideline English, French, German etc version that one can imply with, nor has any mention been given for which it is permissable.

So, learn some small surah's, which even if you don't really know the arabic, by hearing it enough I believe (or even seeing the surah written in english combined) could make you able to recite it sufficiently for prayer.
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Skillganon
09-10-2007, 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Md Mashud
I wouldn't think so. Don't fear though, aslong as you are learning arabic, you shouldn't be accountable for not being able to do the prayers. The prayers MUST be done in Arabic, as it is impure to do so otherwise - there is no guideline English, French, German etc version that one can imply with, nor has any mention been given for which it is permissable.

So, learn some small surah's, which even if you don't really know the arabic, by hearing it enough I believe (or even seeing the surah written in english combined) could make you able to recite it sufficiently for prayer.
Thank's for the correction bro.

I was editing my post when you posted this.
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Mpls_Muslim
09-10-2007, 11:47 AM
:sl: welcome to Islam brother, I too had a hard time at first, but after praying 5 times a day you will get it after a month or so ishallah just hang in there.

Abdulah
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jamafg
01-07-2008, 03:59 AM
First of all Salam alik and welcom to Islam,
Regarding your question, brother praying in any other languages than Arabic is not permissible, So please ask Allah for help and you'll Inshallah learn very soon arabic. Then you can offer your prayers to the Creator of the univrse.
Allah-O-Akbar
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maniadoc
01-07-2008, 05:00 AM
Originally Posted by Md Mashud
I wouldn't think so. Don't fear though, aslong as you are learning arabic, you shouldn't be accountable for not being able to do the prayers. The prayers MUST be done in Arabic, .
there's no such "MUST". Where did u get this.???

If anything is a "MUST" that is offering of prayer in time & regularly.

So as long as he is learning Prayer(Salaah) in Arabic he can very well offer in language he understands.

Lot of muslims pray in Arabic BUT don't understand a word they utter. So what a prayer is that???? At least by saying prayer in his language till he learns Arabic, in future he'll know what he's saying when he pray in Arabic.
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ummzayd
01-07-2008, 08:53 AM
Originally Posted by michaelconvert
Im trying to learn Arabic, but for the time being can i pray in english? I know all the positions and words in english. I was also wondering what it means for a prayer to be silent. I looked at some site to learn to pray and it says that some prayers are silent and some are aloud. In the silent prayer do you say nothing at all?

salaam

:sl:

well this is something all us non-arabic speaking converts go through. it's really excellent that you already know the words in English masha'Allah. the first thing you need to memorise in Arabic is 'al fatiha'. don't worry by saying it 17 times a day (if you do the 5 prayers) you will get it in no time insha'Allah. and take the rest bit by bit, the words said while bowing and prostrating are quite short and easy, the words said while sitting after the second rakah and the last rakah I found quite hard but even I got there in the end.

I was given some excellent advice which I will pass on to you. while it is very important to learn to say the prayer in arabic, it is perhaps even more important to connect with our creator in prayer. even Muslims with perfect pronounciation and able to recite long surahs in the prayer, are trying hard for that connection and may not achieve it. if at any time while praying you forget the proper words then just say words of praise to God, whatever comes to your heart, but don't 'lose' the prayer because of struggling to remember words.

you mentioned 'silent' prayers - these are not completely silent you still need to say the words but not out loud, ie just move your lips. if I am wrong I hope someone may correct me.

may Allah ta'ala make everything easy for you and reward you abundantly for your efforts, and continue to guide you (and me) ameen.

:w:
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adeeb
01-07-2008, 12:57 PM
prayer must be in arabic, like what the prophet have taught us...

so u need to study, especially alfatiha, the most important surah, coz u have to read it 17 times a day...

dont worry...study it, and Allah will make it easy for you insha Allah...
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UmmSqueakster
01-07-2008, 02:01 PM
When I converted, a very kind sister mailed me a set of prayer cards that had a line of transliterated arabic, followed by a line of english. As I learned salat, I read the line in arabic allowed, followed by reading the english meaning in my head. That way, as the arabic got stuck in my head, the english did as well.

I made a set of cards that can be downloaded, in case anyone knows any new muslims who could use some help - http://www.mybloop.com/rahma/Islam/salat.doc
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caroline
01-07-2008, 02:52 PM
Pardon me. Allah is the creator of all the universe from the micro to the macro and he is the one who created the tongue and the ability to speak and all languages. I'm POSITIVE he understands English and that he understands and knows the heart. I am absolutely opposed to the idea that God only accepts prayers in Arabic. That limits Allah, and He has no limits -- either to his understanding or his compassion and mercy.

Respectfully
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01-07-2008, 03:13 PM

this isnt about just any 'prayer' its about the Namaz prayer, which has to be done in arabic. You can 'pray' in any language' but namaz is important, for a new muslim there may be exceptions but this is highly controvesial amongst scholars.

Can One Make Salat in English?

Taken from Sayyid Abul A'la Mawdudi's "Rasael wa Masael", vol. III. This question and answer was originally published in the monthly "Tarjumanul Qur'an", Oct-Nov, 1957.

Question: I am an English Muslim. I am twenty-one years old. I accepted Islam a year ago while I was an army officer stationed in Somaliland. My question is regarding the official language of Islam. When I was a Christian I used to read the Bible in my mother tongue (English). After I became Muslim I have to both make salat and read the Qur�an in Arabic. This change makes me think that because of such a respect for Arabic � regardless of how sweet it is � I have been deprived of great spiritual enlightenment.

May I make my salat in English? I will be very grateful to you if you provide me guidance in this regard. In order for my satisfaction, please mention the names of any early imams who expressed their opinions on this issue.

This doubt is only a personal issue to me, but I can tell you with certainty that this has become a hurdle for many to accept Islam, especially in Europe. Some friends in London asked me to contact you and seek your guidance in this matter. I hope the direction you provide will be very valuable for me.

Answer: I am very delighted to know that you have accepted Islam. I am expressing my gratitude to Allah (swt) for enlightening the heart of a brother with the light of guidance, and am making supplication so that He may bless you with further guidance and steadfastness. I will be glad to help you, as much as I can, understand the commandments and different matters of the deen, and for this purpose you may contact me anytime.

The answer to your question about the language of salat is that salat can be made only in Arabic, because the most important aspect of salat is the recitation of the Qur'an. Translation of the Qur'an - regardless of how perfect it is - cannot be the Qur'an itself and therefore cannot be called the words of Allah (swt). Any other recitations in the salat besides recitation of the Qur'an were prescribed by the Messenger of Allah (saw). The same exact words are recited that the Messenger of Allah (saw) used to teach them. Any other language besides Arabic cannot express their correct meaning, and even if it does to some extent, that cannot replace the words of the Messenger of Allah (saw). Therefore, all fuqaha from the earliest periods till today are unanimous in their opinion that salat should be made in Arabic. One cannot read translation in place of the Qur'anic words, nor can the original words taught by the Messenger of Allah (saw) be replaced with other words.

However, if a non-Arab convert is not able to recite the Qur'an and other parts of the salat in Arabic immediately after becoming Muslim, then there are differences of opinions in what he should do. According to the opinions of Imam Abu Yusuf (ra) and Imam Muhammad (ra) - two great disciples of Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) - such a person can translate them in his language and read them in salat. But he must immediately start learning to be able to make the salat in Arabic. Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) at first had the opinion that even if one is able to recite in Arabic, it is still acceptable for him to make salat in a non-Arabic language. But he later withdrew this opinion and accepted the opinions of his two great disciples - Imam Abu Yusuf (ra) and Imam Muhammad (ra). According to Imam Shaffi (ra), under no circumstances can salat be made in a language other than Arabic. If a person is unable to recite the Arabic words, then at least he should say a few brief words in the salat, such as "subhanallah" or "alhamdulillah", etc., but should soon start learning to make salat in Arabic. (For further research in this matter, see the famous explanatory volume of the "Hidaya" book called "Fathul Qadi", vol. I, pp. 199-201; "Al Mabsut" by Imam Sarakhsi, vol. I, p. 37; and "Kashful Asrar" by Bazdabi, p. 25).

Making salat in a language that one does not understand and the words of which are merely recited - this appears to be quite strange and unnatural when looking at it externally. But if you reflect upon it deeply, its reasons with far reaching effects will become clear to you.

Survival of a religion in its original form and spirit depends largely upon preservation of its original teachings in their original language. Translation can never be equivalent to the original. The true spirit of the original and its comprehensive meaning cannot be rendered in a different language. If each one translates according to his own understanding, than no two such translations will be the same. We face this issue everyday for works done by humans. If that is the case, then how can we possibly render the words of Allah and the messengers with their full spirit and comprehensive meaning? And how can we say that this suffices for the original?

One of the most important reasons for the deviations of many religions in the world is that their scriptures are not preserved in their original languages and their followers are completely dependent upon various translations of these scriptures done in many languages. There is no conformity among these translations and they often undergo changes. Muslims are fortunate that the teachings of their messenger and the scripture upon which stands the foundation of their life - both of these are preserved in their original language and also preserved are the actual words of the messenger. Now if we do not appreciate this blessing and open up the door of setting the foundation of our deen on translations, then that would be a great stupidity on our part. The five daily prayers that we do - it is the greatest tool to keep us connected to the Qur'an and the guidance of the messenger. Once its language is substituted, it will become quite difficult to keep us connected with the original sources of the deen.

In order to preserve a religion, it is extremely important to preserve its institutions in their original forms and to make sure that people are not able to make changes in them according to their wishes. Most important elements of a religion are its institutions. Proper observation of these institutions and respect towards them establishes the remaining teachings of the religion. To the adherents of the religion, the matter that makes these institutions holy, respectful, and mandatory is the understanding that the Most Powerful in Whom they have iman is the One Who specified each element and each word of the religion. This understanding will cease when people will start incorporating their own opinions and wishes at the issue of what will be the forms and words of these institutions. And no sooner the base of this understanding collapses, then the chances for this deen to become deviated and the people to get free from the obedience of its commandments will become wide open.

The third important point is that, to have the same language for the adhan and salat for all people of all nations, races, and tongues is such a powerful connecting force that bonds all the Muslims of the entire world into a single ummah and a universal brotherhood. Wherever you go in the world, the moment you hear the call of the adhan you will feel that in this place there is someone or some people who belong to your community and now he is calling for prayer. You may go to London, Nigeria, or Indonesia for salat, but you will hear the same familiar call everywhere. You may not understand a single word of your Muslim companion, but he will not be unfamiliar to you in his salat, nor will you be unfamiliar to him in your salat. On the contrary, if everyone starts making salat in his mother tongue and in every place the adhan is being made in the local language, then this universal brotherhood will become divided into smaller fragments. There are more than three hundred languages in the Indo-Pak subcontinent. The number of languages that are prevalent only in this land - its Muslim community will be divided into that many pieces and one Muslim will not be able to understand the adhan when he comes out of his own area. Similar consequence will occur in other parts of the world. And during Hajj, the situation will probably become like the Minaret of Babylon. The numerous rival nations that the Christian world has become because of the nationalization of the church - this will signify the introduction of this same fate in the Muslim ummah. Do you not realize the blessing that what a powerful medium Islam has created for universal unity of the humanity that have been divided into innumerable pieces because of worship of nationalism, race, color, and tongue? It is because of this "official language" that Muslims can recognize Muslims everywhere and mingle with each other in such a manner as if from the beginning of creation a relationship has been established between their souls.

The need for understanding what is read in salat cannot be denied. But this need can be fulfilled without facing the greater damage I mentioned above. Only a few surahs are sufficient to make salat. Any other recitations in the salat besides the Qur'an are also a group of few sentences. In addition to memorizing them, one can also apprehend their meaning. Thus the need for what you termed as "spiritual enlightenment" can be easily fulfilled.
source : http://www.welcome-back.org/question..._english.shtml
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UmmSqueakster
01-07-2008, 03:18 PM
Remember there are 2 kinds of prayers - salat and dua. Salat is more akin to a ritual worship or a worship service than to what most westerners think of as "prayer." In this instance, the Prophet (saws) told us to pray as we saw him pray. He made his salat in arabic. When sahaba learned to pray, they prayed in arabic, even when it was not their first language.

Dua, on the other hand, can be made in any language. This is prayer as most people think of it. There are duas that the Prophet (saws) made that we have recorded, and that are recommended to say in arabic. But, there's nothing stopping a muslim from praying to God in their own language, asking Him for help, for guidance, thanking Him, asking forgiveness, whatever it is that you want to say.



One of the benefits of praying the salat in arabic is that you can walk into a mosque anywhere in the world and join in the salat. You can share in this intimate act of worship with brothers and sisters from every country, and you'll all know what's going on and will be able to participate.
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UmmSqueakster
01-07-2008, 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by (¯¨›Åÿê§h勨¯)
this is about just any 'prayer' its about the Namaz prayer, which has to be done in arabic. You can 'pray' in any language' but namaz is important, for a new muslim there may be exceptions but this is highly controvesial amongst scholars.


For newbies, namaz is the persian/urdu/hindi word for salat. :coolious:
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MaiCarInMtl
01-07-2008, 05:53 PM
To ask a question concerning something someone else brought up - some people learn to say the words but not the meaning, would it then be ok to make the prayer bilingual while the person is learning? By that, I mean the person recite the words in arabic and then in english so that the person knows exactly what they are saying? It makes a prayer longer, but it's another way of learning.

Would something like this be ok?
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UmmSqueakster
01-07-2008, 06:07 PM
When I was learning my prayers, I told a scholar at al Azhar about my prayer cards and how I could pray the arabic aloud and recite the english silently in my heart. The scholar gave his ok. Of course, I can't remember who the scholar was, bah.

This would probably be a good question to ask scholars on different fatwa websites.

From my own limited reasoning and from what I know of prayer, it is often emphasized to think about what you are praying. For example, in fatiha, when you "Ihdinas siratal mustaqeem" show us the straight path, actually ask Allah (swt) this conciously in your mind. You're not just reciting words, you're asking the Creator to help you. Another example is when the imam is reciting part of the quran and it talks about hellfire, ask Allah (swt) to keep you from it, when the quran talks about Allah's mercy, ask Allah (swt) for His mercy, etc.

So, it would stand to reason that if you don't think in arabic, you have to think in english (or whatever your native language is). What better way to think about the words then to recite them in english in your heart? I would guess that reciting the english outloud would not be advisable, as our contemplation of the prayer is in our hearts and not on our tongues.
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Angelzz
01-07-2008, 10:22 PM
Further to what Sister Janaan said above --- you can learn any surah not just the al-fatiha in both Arabic and English and its meaning and why and how it was revealed etc ---OUTSIDE of salah as well.

This way through repetition and a thorough study of the surah -- you understand it more and remember it more in salah, and at the same time are gaining more rewards/ good deeds.
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ummzayd
01-07-2008, 11:43 PM
Originally Posted by caroline
Pardon me. Allah is the creator of all the universe from the micro to the macro and he is the one who created the tongue and the ability to speak and all languages. I'm POSITIVE he understands English and that he understands and knows the heart. I am absolutely opposed to the idea that God only accepts prayers in Arabic. That limits Allah, and He has no limits -- either to his understanding or his compassion and mercy.

Respectfully
peace

no doubt Allah ta'ala understands all languages and prayer as understood by Christians can be said in our own tongue. However, the 5 daily prayers are better described as 'worship' and must be said in Arabic. The Prophet pbuh said 'pray as you see me pray' and so he taught us the words and actions of the 5 prayers. I believe that when in prostration with the forehead on the ground, after saying "Subhana rabbi al 'ala" (Glory be to my Lord the Most High), one can add other words of supplication and praise in Arabic or the mother tongue. This is when we are nearest to God so some people feel moved to say their own words in their mother tongue at this point.
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MartyrX
01-08-2008, 04:02 PM
I've also had the hardest time with Arabic. I can hear the words in my head until I actually speak them and then I get tongue tied.
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jamafg
01-08-2008, 07:08 PM
Dear brothers and sisters, Salam alikom
I read all what you wrote here about praying in other languages than Arabic. But please accept that praying the 5 daily prayers are only to be done in Arabic. The reason behind this Allah SWT knows better, but as a Muslim we must understand that if we pray in different language, then how can we understand each other if we pray all together? How can you understand the Imam when praying behind him? If you do not understand the prayer in one tongue (Arabic), then what will happen if the Imam says SUBHANA RABIL AZIM or SUBHANA RABIL ALA, what will mean this for you? If you don’t understand the meaning of them in Arabic, then the Jamaha will be in total discordances. When the discordance happens, the prayer will be not any more as it should. Also if we do not praying in Arabic, then there will be a lot of misunderstanding and misinterpretation of what we doing or saying in our prayer. The result will be that our prayer is not done correctly and most important it wouldn’t be accepted by our Allah SWT.
So please don’t discord and making division in the way we’re praying. Allah SWT knows, what is best for us, so please do what Allah SWT and his beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH asks us to do.
Also do you thing that Arabic is the mother tongue of all born Muslims? The answer is; absolutely not. But they have to learn Arabic and understand the meaning of it, in their respective tongues.
Regarding you proposition to make the prayer bilingual while the person is learning? I must said, is not permissible. Because you will be disturbed in your prayer, and when you’re disturb then the establishment of liaison between you and Allah SWT will break up, at the result your prayer would be not accepted or rewarded.
Myself, I’m not an Arab speaking, but the love for Allah SWT and his Prophet PBUH give me the ability and power to learn and understand Arabic. So please why not scarify our time to learn Arabic (which is the choice of Allah SWT for communication between him and his slaves).
Finally we must give much importance to obeying the Command of Allah SWT and his prophet PBUH, and also to gain some rewards for our akhirat.
Ok brothers and sisters, I hope you will thing very well and do practicing you religious as by the teaching of our beloved Prophet PBUH.

Note: Please distinguish the PRAYER from the DUA. You should pray in Arabic, but you can make DUAS in your mother tongue!!!
Jazakom Allah-o-Khairan
Wasalaam
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abdulrahman114
01-09-2008, 01:58 AM
Wa alaykum assalaam,

The salat scared the heck out of me at first because of all the Arabic. Now, alhamdulillah it's easy as pie. I've been a Muslim for about a year and just recently finished memorising everything. Just take your time, keep praying for guidance and insha'Allah it will come.

Wassalaam,

Abdur-Rahman
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jamafg
01-09-2008, 03:49 AM
:sl:
:Alhumdill

NOTHING IS IMPOSIBLE, WITH THE HELP OF ALLAH SWT WE CAN DO OR LEARN ALL.
:inshallah
Originally Posted by abdulrahman114
Wa alaykum assalaam,

The salat scared the heck out of me at first because of all the Arabic. Now, alhamdulillah it's easy as pie. I've been a Muslim for about a year and just recently finished memorising everything. Just take your time, keep praying for guidance and insha'Allah it will come.

Wassalaam,

Abdur-Rahman
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taybe smiler
01-22-2008, 12:12 AM
u need to study

:P
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