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ahm001
02-10-2007, 09:40 PM
any one learning nahw? able to help each other
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Skillganon
02-10-2007, 10:31 PM
What is nahw?
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Salams.... Isnt that an arabic teacher??????
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ahm001
02-11-2007, 11:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
edil
Salams.... Isnt that an arabic teacher??????
nahw means arabic grammar
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amirah_87
02-11-2007, 05:11 PM
:sl:
I could help Out InshaAllah!
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Books
02-11-2007, 11:11 PM
I could too inshaaAllah, although my nahw needs a lot of brushing up. Here's a great way to start :p
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ahm001
02-12-2007, 12:57 PM
ok so where do we start?
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siFilam
02-13-2007, 11:13 PM
Asalamulaikum,
Alhamdulillah, I'm learning Nahw too...can I join your little study group.
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siFilam
02-13-2007, 11:14 PM
one more thing...what about surf...r you guys learning surf along with nahw?
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Skillganon
02-13-2007, 11:15 PM
lol, You can. Their is few people who know arabic well enough.
We can do with another person.
(dont know much arabic myself)
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Books
02-16-2007, 12:27 PM
Well a question for you all, where does nahw [grammer] take place?
beginning of the word? middle or end???
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IceQueen~
02-17-2007, 10:55 AM
^:confused: not sure what you mean...?
are you talking about jidhr? (root letters)
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siFilam
02-17-2007, 03:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Books
Well a question for you all, where does nahw [grammer] take place?
beginning of the word? middle or end???
i'm not sure but I think at the end since the vowel marks are subject to changes. it this what u mean?
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ahm001
02-17-2007, 09:23 PM
at the end
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ahm001
02-17-2007, 09:27 PM
thats exactly wot we discuss here... which book on nahw u studying ?
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Kittygyal
02-17-2007, 09:31 PM
salamualikum.
well akhi am learning to become an Alaimah && at the moment am looking into the translation of Qura'an surah Fathia && also am looking in depth of some surahs && Hadiths
Ma'assalama
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siFilam
02-18-2007, 03:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Kittygyal
salamualikum.
well akhi am learning to become an Alaimah && at the moment am looking into the translation of Qura'an surah Fathia && also am looking in depth of some surahs && Hadiths
Ma'assalama
:sl:
Mashallah sis, may Allah, The Most Exalted, make it easy for you. if I may ask, where r u studying.
-SI-
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Kittygyal
02-18-2007, 11:26 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
siFilam
:sl:
Mashallah sis, may Allah, The Most Exalted, make it easy for you. if I may ask, where r u studying.
-SI-
salamualikum.
Amin Thumma Amin Ya Rabbil Alameen inshallah Ukthi, the Aalimah comes to me house ukthi
Ma'assalama
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Books
02-18-2007, 05:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
siFilam
i'm not sure but I think at the end since the vowel marks are subject to changes. it this what u mean?
Yep you got it, nahw takes place at the end of words, usually. its besto start with the medina books, but i prefer sarf ( morphology ) to
nahw (grammer ).
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Islamicboy
02-18-2007, 05:33 PM
As Salam Alykum
I had a question about learning arabic grammar. I bought Medinah University grammar books. Is there an easy way to understand the new vocabulary from each lesson? How do non arabic speakers memorize the words?
Jazkallah khair
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Books
02-18-2007, 06:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Islamicboy
As Salam Alykum
I had a question about learning arabic grammar. I bought Medinah University grammar books. Is there an easy way to understand the new vocabulary from each lesson? How do non arabic speakers memorize the words?
Jazkallah khair
The best way to learn all those words is to make sentences of your own with them, it really sticks that way and naturally get someone to mark them for you. Puttin them in a list type of thing is also good with the english translation besides it. That way you can get someone to test you and if you've still not memorised them you can always write more sentences :smile: :smile:
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Islamicboy
02-19-2007, 12:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Books
The best way to learn all those words is to make sentences of your own with them, it really sticks that way and naturally get someone to mark them for you. Puttin them in a list type of thing is also good with the english translation besides it. That way you can get someone to test you and if you've still not memorised them you can always write more sentences :smile: :smile:
Jazkallah khair
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siFilam
02-25-2007, 04:26 PM
:sl:
it's been awhile since the last time someone posted....i hope this is not the end of this thread, i was really looking forward to this..
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Mujahidah4Allah
03-02-2007, 07:09 PM
Nahw is getting confusing and sarf basically were so behind but the book i'm studying from for nahw is called 'Lisaanul Quran' anyone herd of it? and sarf 'tasheel as-sarf 'Easy Etymology' :S
ma'salamah
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siFilam
03-04-2007, 06:38 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Mujahidah4Allah
Nahw is getting confusing and sarf basically were so behind but the book i'm studying from for nahw is called 'Lisaanul Quran' anyone herd of it? and sarf 'tasheel as-sarf 'Easy Etymology' :S
ma'salamah
the Nahw book we use is writing in Urdu...at first it was sooo cofusing, I used to hate it...but Alhamdulilah now that we have finished it, i love it. doing Tarkeeb in the Qur'an is so easy now. For sarf, we use Miftahul Sarf. For me, Sarf has always been easier than Nahw.
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ahm001
04-16-2007, 06:01 PM
salams everyone
im back_______ ok who wants help? sarf nahw.just bring it on..
:D
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ahm001
04-16-2007, 08:51 PM
ok guess no one wants help.:raging:
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Kittygyal
04-16-2007, 09:02 PM
salamualikum.
Mashallah. Sabr Ya Akhi :D
Ma'assalama
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siFilam
04-17-2007, 05:18 AM
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
:salamext:
make Du'a for me plz, I have Nahw and Sarf test in two weeks.
Oh Allah, please make it rain and snow in April and make them close the roads so I don't have to drive all the way to the Madrasah to take the test. Ameen. :D
wasalam
-SI-
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Talibatul Ilm
04-18-2007, 03:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
siFilam
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
:salamext:
make Du'a for me plz, I have Nahw and Sarf test in two weeks.
Oh Allah, please make it rain and snow in April and make them close the roads so I don't have to drive all the way to the Madrasah to take the test. Ameen. :D
wasalam
-SI-
mashaAllah sis where do you go to madrasa?
are you all learning nahw on your own or with a teacher?
The medina books are my favorite books mashaAllah, it makes it easy for someone to even use the books and teach themselves without a teacher. To study the vocab i started out making flashcards. then i got the hang of memorizing the words. sometimes i think of something that sounds similar or reminds me of the words... like make a connection. it helps in making things easier! :D
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siFilam
04-18-2007, 01:17 PM
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
:salamext:
sister Talibatul Ilm,
I live in Atlanta. Alhamdulilah we have a small Madrasah here, and we have an Alimah as our teacher. Inshallah, by the end of next Ramadan we should have the construction of our main Madrasah building complete, so more students will join us. rite now, its only 3 of us, two students only come twice a week. so most of the time its my teacher and myself.
make Du'a for me.
wasalam
-SI-
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ahm001
04-22-2007, 05:10 PM
hey come on some1` must have a question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:raging:
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extinction
04-24-2007, 05:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
siFilam
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
:salamext:
sister Talibatul Ilm,
I live in Atlanta. Alhamdulilah we have a small Madrasah here,
-SI-
Is it the same one that is in Lawrenceville?
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extinction
04-24-2007, 05:37 PM
If a word had Baa preceding it what would be the end symbol fatha kasra or dhamma? As in Bil-Ayn would it be Bil-Ayna Bil-Ayni or Bil-Aynu?
P.S This question is for the benefit of others I know the answer =)
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siFilam
04-24-2007, 06:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
hafizmo
Is it the same one that is in Lawrenceville?
yeah
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Talibatul Ilm
04-26-2007, 08:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
hafizmo
If a word had Baa preceding it what would be the end symbol fatha kasra or dhamma? As in Bil-Ayn would it be Bil-Ayna Bil-Ayni or Bil-Aynu?
P.S This question is for the benefit of others I know the answer =)
kasraaaa!!! what do i win? =)
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ahm001
04-27-2007, 09:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Talibatul Ilm
kasraaaa!!! what do i win? =)
you get to ask the next question:D
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siFilam
04-27-2007, 09:18 PM
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
:salamext:
please explain about Tasghir. This is the definition I have in my book: "The diminutive form is used to denote smallness in size or quantity or denote a low status or insignificance or to express endearment. "
examples would be great, especially from the Qur'an.
quickly people, I've a got test coming up. Jazakallah Khair.
wasalam
-SI-
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Talibatul Ilm
04-28-2007, 06:05 AM
are you just asking for examples or a clearer understanding of the definition?
well for examples sorry i cannot provide anything from the Qur'an at the moment.
but as an example: RAJUL [man] is in the normal state
when saying something like LITTLE MAN, SMALL MAN RAJUL would become RUJAYLUN as according to rule. the rules differ according to the number of letters in the word or if it contains an alif, waw, or ya in it.
JA3FAR [the name] would become JU3AYFIRUN
this would probably be easier if seen in arabic text... =/
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Talibatul Ilm
04-28-2007, 06:07 AM
ok as for a new question:
Name at least 3 different categories of words that are used in the femanine form [i.e. like a word denoting femanine gender UKHT, UMM... or Names of various types of winds are in the femanine form]
try for 3 inshaAllah =) or it can be done as a group effort as well!
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siFilam
04-29-2007, 12:21 AM
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
:salamext:
sister Talibatul Ilm,
Jazakallah Khair for the explanination of Tasghir.
regarding 3 different categories of words that are used in the feminine form, I'm confused, do you mean this:
1) when Ta Tanith present at the end of the word
2) when Alif Maqsura Zaeeda present
3) when Alif Mamdudah present
when these signs are present the noun is categorized as feminine.
other feminine nouns don't have these apparent signs, but we know they are feminine b/c thats how the arabs use it. ex. earth or sun in Arabic.
wasalam
-SI-
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ahm001
05-15-2007, 11:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Talibatul Ilm
ok as for a new question:
Name at least 3 different categories of words that are used in the femanine form [i.e. like a word denoting femanine gender UKHT, UMM... or Names of various types of winds are in the femanine form]
try for 3 inshaAllah =) or it can be done as a group effort as well!
salams
1) parts of the body which r found in pairs e.g eyes ears
2) names of towns and places
3):thumbs_up
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IceQueen~
05-22-2007, 04:36 PM
:salamext:
you can write your stuff in Arabic
here
my Question:
when an إضافة becomes a 'name' for something then it becomes ممنوع من الصرف
...how?
As in how does this work? I found it in some old notes and I can't remember it properly...Is this true? (I'm not sure whether I made a mistake in copying it down or what:confused:)
:w:
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amirah_87
05-22-2007, 06:06 PM
:sl:
I have thought about this over and over again subhanAllah, & Ive never come across what you had just said there..
Maybe I'm missing something out.... Allah knows best.
Or perhaps I haven't fully understood your question...
Hmm..Allahu a'lam
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IceQueen~
05-23-2007, 08:09 PM
ok lemme see..
the example that I had written was this رام الله
it said that when an idaafa becomes a name for something it becomes a diptote (mamnuu3 min al-sarf)
'Allah' in the above example was highlighted and it was manSub (fatha at the end)
and there was a في before it (رام الله )
'Raama' is a verb isn't it?
does that make any better sense...?
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Talibatul Ilm
05-23-2007, 09:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
ahm001
salams
1) parts of the body which r found in pairs e.g eyes ears
2) names of towns and places
3):thumbs_up
sorry for responding so late! i thought i had already =x
but yea that was the response i was looking for! except for #3... lol
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asadxyz
05-28-2007, 11:05 PM
Assalaamo Alaikum:
format_quote Originally Posted by
IceQueen~
ok lemme see..
the example that I had written was this رام الله
it said that when an idaafa becomes a name for something it becomes a diptote (mamnuu3 min al-sarf)
'Allah' in the above example was highlighted and it was manSub (fatha at the end)
and there was a في before it (رام الله )
'Raama' is a verb isn't it?
does that make any better sense...?
What is the source of this information ???
Best of luck
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kormath
05-29-2007, 12:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
ahm001
any one learning nahw? able to help each other
Insha'allah, Iam a Arabic nahv teacher. I think that I can help you in it:w:
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kormath
05-29-2007, 12:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
Mujahidah4Allah
Nahw is getting confusing and sarf basically were so behind but the book i'm studying from for nahw is called 'Lisaanul Quran' anyone herd of it? and sarf 'tasheel as-sarf 'Easy Etymology' :S
ma'salamah
:sl: sis, I want to know more about Lisanul Qura'an. Do u help me plz?
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kormath
05-29-2007, 12:35 AM
:sl:
Also , inform me about "thasheelussarf".
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asadxyz
05-29-2007, 01:02 AM
Assalaamo Alaikum:
format_quote Originally Posted by
kader
Insha'allah, Iam a Arabic nahv teacher. I think that I can help you in it:w:
Please can you comment on the following post :
HTML Code:
Originally Posted by IceQueen~
ok lemme see..
the example that I had written was this رام الله
it said that when an idaafa becomes a name for something it becomes a diptote (mamnuu3 min al-sarf)
'Allah' in the above example was highlighted and it was manSub (fatha at the end
and there was a في before it (رام الله )
Thanks in advance
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IceQueen~
05-29-2007, 11:40 AM
^ yey can someone please comment on that...?
oh the other thing is- could it be something to do with compound words?
I mean does hadra mawt come into that category?
maybe what its meant to be is mabni (indecinable) not a mamnu3 min al-sarf (diptote)...:confused:
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asadxyz
05-30-2007, 09:01 PM
Assalaamo Alaikum :
Here is a Question just for practice.
What is the difference between use of أنّ بالكسر & أنّ بالفتح ??
Best of luck
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IceQueen~
05-30-2007, 09:37 PM
you mean 'Anna and 'Inna?
If so 'Anna is used in the middle of a sentence and 'Inna in the beginning or after
the verb Qaala (to speak)....?
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asadxyz
05-31-2007, 12:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
IceQueen~
you mean 'Anna and 'Inna?
If so 'Anna is used in the middle of a sentence and 'Inna in the beginning or after
the verb Qaala (to speak)....?
Excellent !
Now another question :
What is the difference between meaning :
أكلت السمك حتى رأسها
If I read Ra'asihaa ??
If I read Ra'asahaa??
Best of luck
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IceQueen~
05-31-2007, 09:13 AM
If you read Ra'asahaa - حتى is being used as حرف عطف (particle of connection) so رأس would have the same I'raab as السمك (it is مفعول به )
and if you read Ra'asihaa - حتى is being used as حرف جر بمعنى إلى (particle of 'jar' with the meaning of 'to')
So first meaning: I ate the fish even the head
and second: I ate the fish till the head
Jazakallah Khair
btw Have you studied the subject of مبتدأ و خبر in detail...?
If you have can you explain the different concepts please?
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asadxyz
05-31-2007, 10:09 AM
Assalaamo'Alaikum Sister ICe Queen
Excellent! It shows that you know a lot about Arabic Grammar.I am just a beginner in this field.BTW if you have some thing special in your mind about مبتدا و خبر please do post so that we can discuss it .
Best of luck
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amirah_87
05-31-2007, 11:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by
asadxyz
Excellent !
Now another question :
What is the difference between meaning :
أكلت السمك حتى رأسها
If I read Ra'asihaa ??
If I read Ra'asahaa??
Best of luck
:sl:
I'd just like to add something on the I'raab of "أكلت السمكة حتى رأسها "
Ra's here can be either: Marfuu' ,Mansuub or Majruur..
-It's Marfuu' if "Hattaa" here is "Hattaa al-Ibtidaa'iyyah": in this case whatever comes after it becomes marfuu' aswell so the julmah would be: "Akaltus-samaka hattaa ra'suhaa"..
(Its Khabr here is Mahduuf its taqdeer is: "Ma'kuul" )
-If it's Mansuub then that's because Hattaa here is hattaa al-'aatifah (like the other huruuf al-atf: waaw..etc).
So Ra's would be mansuub because it's Ma'tuuf 'alaa "Samakata" which is mansuub because it's maf'uulu bihii.
-If Ra's was Majruur then that's because "hatta" here is harf jarr yufeed al-ghaayah, like "Ilaa". So what comes after it, is Majruur.
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IceQueen~
05-31-2007, 05:10 PM
^MashaAllah Jazakallah Khair
and bro asadxyz no, I haven't really studied the details of مبتدا و خبر so I was wondering if anyone here could help...?
hey amirah87- can you help if you're not too busy..?
InshaAllah
:w:
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amirah_87
06-01-2007, 11:32 AM
:sl:
I'm going to give a short Ikhtisaar on the Mubtada' & Khabr inshaAllah:
The Mubtada' and Khabr are two words (nouns) that are Marfuu' and together make up a beneficial sentence (Jumlatun mufeedah).
In its originality it is known that the Mubatada' comes before its' Khabr, but the khabr can also come before the mubatada' in some haalaat (situations).
From the conditions of the Mubtada:
- Has to be Ma'rifah (but it can be Nakirah in some cases).
These are some of the cases it's used in:
- It comes Man'uut. صبرٌ جميلٌ، خير من استرحامِ ظالم
-when it's found to come after it a Mudhaaf ilayh طَلَبُ عِلْمٍ خيرٌ من طَلَبِ مال
- When it's found to come before it a Shabh jumlah / شبهُ جملة (Jaar wa Majruur & Dharf) : عندنا ضيفٌ، وفي البيت كتابٌ
And from the conditions of the khabr is that;
It (The Khabr) follows the Mubtada In it's Singularity, Duality, Plurality, Masculinatiy & femeninty.
(and we exclude from this if the Mubtada' was Mushtaqq..)
Hope that helps inshaAllah.
If anyone wants to add anything please do, and if there are any mistakes please point them out.
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IceQueen~
06-01-2007, 01:01 PM
Jazakillah khair sis....
But lol I meant the more advanced stuff- like مواضيع حذف المبتدأ وجوبا and the same for خبر etc
and what other concepts exist for مبتدا و خبر ?
I heard its a very BIG topic lol
anyways Jazakallah khair
:w:
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amirah_87
06-01-2007, 02:14 PM
:sl:
Ohh... :-[
Reads through this inshaAllah:
المبتدأ والخبر في القواعد العربية
Very detailed and beneficial TabaarakAllah. :thumbs_up
Hope it helps.
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ahm001
06-05-2007, 08:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
IceQueen~
:salamext:
you can write your stuff in Arabic
here
my Question:
when an إضافة becomes a 'name' for something then it becomes ممنوع من الصرف
...how?
As in how does this work? I found it in some old notes and I can't remember it properly...Is this true? (I'm not sure whether I made a mistake in copying it down or what:confused:)
:w:
hm u misuderstanding . izafat is a type of murakab but the murakab when becomes a name hence ghair munsarif is names such as بعليك made up of two words .. which dont hav nisbat izafee iniside. hence it is mamnu min asarf
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ahm001
06-05-2007, 08:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
IceQueen~
Jazakillah khair sis....
But lol I meant the more advanced stuff- like مواضيع حذف المبتدأ وجوبا and the same for خبر etc
and what other concepts exist for مبتدا و خبر ?
I heard its a very BIG topic lol
anyways Jazakallah khair
:w:
check out alfiyah ibn malik poems numbered 138 -141.. in most cases its the kabar thats mahzuf wujubun and not the mubtda
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IceQueen~
06-06-2007, 12:37 PM
Thats the whole point- I don't know anywhere in UK where one can buy all these advanced grammar books...
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ahm001
06-09-2007, 10:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by
IceQueen~
Thats the whole point- I don't know anywhere in UK where one can buy all these advanced grammar books...
try darul kutub in dewsbury 01924 488082.,. they stock alfiyah
u can even downlaod them from this link ..thats wot i do. u dont need to buy
by the way..
http://www.almeshkat.net/books/list.php?cat=16
do u teach nahw anywhere?
:)
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IceQueen~
06-10-2007, 08:52 AM
^ Jazakallah Khair for the info
I only teach basics but InshaAllah in the future...
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