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soulsociety
02-21-2007, 11:06 AM
Maliki's Reaction...
As expected, Al Maliki is claiming the rape allegations are all lies. Apparently, his people simply asked the officers if they raped Sabrine Al Janabi and they said no. I'm so glad that's been cleared up.

"Meanwhile, Prime Minister Nouri al-Makiki moved quickly to try to defuse a scandal after a Sunni woman said she was raped by three officers of the Shiite-dominated police.

The government's response — siding with the officers and trying to discredit the allegations — threatened to bring even more backlash.

A statement by al-Makiki's office accused "certain parties" — presumably Sunni politicians — of fabricating the claims in an attempt to undermine security forces during the ongoing Baghdad security operation, which began last week.
The statement was issued only hours after al-Maliki ordered an investigation into the case Monday night.

The 20-year-old married woman said she was assaulted after police commandos took her into custody Sunday in the western Baghdad neighborhood of Amil, accusing her of helping insurgents. She said she was taken to a police garrison and raped.

"It has been shown after medical examinations that the woman had not been subjected to any sexual attack whatsoever and that there are three outstanding arrest warrants against her issued by security agencies," the government statement said, without giving details.

"After the allegations have been proven to be false, the prime minister has ordered that the officers accused be rewarded," it said without elaborating."

I hate the media and I hate the Iraqi government for turning this atrocity into another Sunni-Shia debacle- like it matters whether Sabrine is Sunni or Shia or Arab or Kurd (the Al Janabi tribe is composed of both Sunnis and Shia). Maliki did not only turn the woman into a liar, he is rewarding the officers she accused. It's outrageous and maddening.

No Iraqi woman under the circumstances- under any circumstances- would publicly, falsely claim she was raped. There are just too many risks. There is the risk of being shunned socially. There is the risk of beginning an endless chain of retaliations and revenge killings between tribes. There is the shame of coming out publicly and talking about a subject so taboo, she and her husband are not only risking their reputations by telling this story, they are risking their lives.

No one would lie about something like this simply to undermine the Baghdad security operation. That can be done simply by calculating the dozens of dead this last week. Or by writing about the mass detentions of innocents, or how people are once again burying their valuables so that Iraqi and American troops don't steal them.

It was less than 14 hours between Sabrine's claims and Maliki's rewarding the people she accused. In 14 hours, Maliki not only established their innocence, but turned them into his own personal heroes. I wonder if Maliki would entrust the safety his own wife and daughter to these men.

This is meant to discourage other prisoners, especially women, from coming forward and making claims against Iraqi and American forces. Maliki is the stupidest man alive (well, after Bush of course…) if he believes his arrogance and callous handling of the situation will work to dismiss it from the minds of Iraqis. By doing what he is doing, he's making it more clear than ever that under his rule, under his government, vigilante justice is the only way to go. Why leave it to the security forces and police? Simply hire a militia or gang to get revenge. If he doesn't get some justice for her, her tribe will be forced to... And the Janabat (the Al Janabis) are a force to be reckoned with.
Maliki could at least pretend the rape of a young Iraqi woman is still an outrage in todays Iraq...


- posted by river @ 3:59 PM

The Rape of Sabrine...
It takes a lot to get the energy and resolution to blog lately. I guess it’s mainly because just thinking about the state of Iraq leaves me drained and depressed. But I had to write tonight.

As I write this, Oprah is on Channel 4 (one of the MBC channels we get on Nilesat), showing Americans how to get out of debt. Her guest speaker is telling a studio full of American women who seem to have over-shopped that they could probably do with fewer designer products. As they talk about increasing incomes and fortunes, Sabrine Al-Janabi, a young Iraqi woman, is on Al Jazeera telling how Iraqi security forces abducted her from her home and raped her. You can only see her eyes, her voice is hoarse and it keeps breaking as she speaks. In the end she tells the reporter that she can’t talk about it anymore and she covers her eyes with shame.

She might just be the bravest Iraqi woman ever. Everyone knows American forces and Iraqi security forces are raping women (and men), but this is possibly the first woman who publicly comes out and tells about it using her actual name. Hearing her tell her story physically makes my heart ache. Some people will call her a liar. Others (including pro-war Iraqis) will call her a prostitute- shame on you in advance.

I wonder what excuse they used when they took her. It’s most likely she’s one of the thousands of people they round up under the general headline of ‘terrorist suspect’. She might have been one of those subtitles you read on CNN or BBC or Arabiya, “13 insurgents captured by Iraqi security forces.” The men who raped her are those same security forces Bush and Condi are so proud of- you know- the ones the Americans trained. It’s a chapter right out of the book that documents American occupation in Iraq: the chapter that will tell the story of 14-year-old Abeer who was raped, killed and burned with her little sister and parents.

They abducted her from her house in an area in southern Baghdad called Hai Al Amil. No- it wasn’t a gang. It was Iraqi peace keeping or security forces- the ones trained by Americans? You know them. She was brutally gang-raped and is now telling the story. Half her face is covered for security reasons or reasons of privacy. I translated what she said below.


“I told him, ‘I don’t have anything [I did not do anything].’ He said, 'You don’t have anything?’ One of them threw me on the ground and my head hit the tiles. He did what he did- I mean he raped me. The second one came and raped me. The third one also raped me. [Pause- sobbing] I begged them and cried, and one of them covered my mouth. [Unclear, crying] Another one of them came and said, 'Are you finished? We also want our turn.' So they answered, ‘No, an American committee came.’ They took me to the judge.


Anchorwoman: Sabrine Al Janabi said that one of the security forces videotaped/photographed her and threatened to kill her if she told anyone about the rape. Another officer raped her after she saw the investigative judge.


Sabrine continuing:
“One of them, he said… I told him, ‘Please- by your father and mother- let me go.’ He said, ‘No, no- by my mother’s soul I’ll let you go- but on one condition, you give me one single thing.’ I said, ‘What?’ He said, ‘[I want] to rape you.’ I told him, ‘No- I can’t.’ So he took me to a room with a weapon… It had a weapon, a Klashnikov, a small bed [Unclear], he sat me on it. So [the officer came] and told him, ‘Leave her to me.’ I swore to him on the Quran, I told him, ‘By the light of the Prophet I don’t do such things…’ He said, ‘You don’t do such things?’ I said, ‘Yes’.

[Crying] He picked up a black hose, like a pipe. He hit me on the thigh. [Crying] I told him, ‘What do you want from me? Do you want me to tell you rape me? But I can’t… I’m not one of those ***** [Prostitutes] I don’t do such things.’ So he said to me, ‘We take what we want and what we don’t want we kill. That’s that.’ [Sobbing] I can’t anymore… please, I can’t finish.”


I look at this woman and I can’t feel anything but rage. What did we gain? I know that looking at her, foreigners will never be able to relate. They’ll feel pity and maybe some anger, but she’s one of us. She’s not a girl in jeans and a t-shirt so there will only be a vague sort of sympathy. Poor third-world countries- that is what their womenfolk tolerate. Just know that we never had to tolerate this before. There was a time when Iraqis were safe in the streets. That time is long gone. We consoled ourselves after the war with the fact that we at least had a modicum of safety in our homes. Homes are sacred, aren’t they? That is gone too.


She’s just one of tens, possibly hundreds, of Iraqi women who are violated in their own homes and in Iraqi prisons. She looks like cousins I have. She looks like friends. She looks like a neighbor I sometimes used to pause to gossip with in the street. Every Iraqi who looks at her will see a cousin, a friend, a sister, a mother, an aunt…

Humanitarian organizations are warning that three Iraqi women are to be executed next month. The women are Wassan Talib, Zainab Fadhil and Liqa Omar Muhammad. They are being accused of 'terrorism', i.e. having ties to the Iraqi resistance. It could mean they are relatives of people suspected of being in the resistance. Or it could mean they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. One of them gave birth in the prison. I wonder what kind of torture they've endured. Let no one say Iraqi women didn't get at least SOME equality under the American occupation- we are now equally as likely to get executed.

And yet, as the situation continues to deteriorate both for Iraqis inside and outside of Iraq, and for Americans inside Iraq, Americans in America are still debating on the state of the war and occupation- are they winning or losing? Is it better or worse.

Let me clear it up for any moron with lingering doubts: It’s worse. It’s over. You lost. You lost the day your tanks rolled into Baghdad to the cheers of your imported, American-trained monkeys. You lost every single family whose home your soldiers violated. You lost every sane, red-blooded Iraqi when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out and verified your atrocities behind prison walls as well as the ones we see in our streets. You lost when you brought murderers, looters, gangsters and militia heads to power and hailed them as Iraq’s first democratic government. You lost when a gruesome execution was dubbed your biggest accomplishment. You lost the respect and reputation you once had. You lost more than 3000 troops. That is what you lost America. I hope the oil, at least, made it worthwhile.
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MTAFFI
02-21-2007, 07:10 PM
I dont understand, if a medical examiner examined this woman and said there was no reason to believe that there was any sexual misconduct, then why is this so hard to believe? I am not trying to offend you but it seems you have taken on the same ignorant concepts as those in Afghanistan who turned down immunizations because they were said to be deadly by the Taliban. This woman very well could be lying, and the medical examiner should have proved that. As for you spill about how America has lost, I cant tell you how many times I have said this, Americas initial goals are accomplished. We are trying to bring stability to this country now. It is not the US's fault that Iraq is what it is today, it is the former leaders, taliban, al qaeda, etc who have instigated violence to create the illusion that the US is a threat to the country of Iraq. Fact is, the US would be gone by now if it werent for these people who are driving for Anarchy. Do not hate the US, we are not the bad guys here, there are other invaders in Iraq that have contributed far more to the rapes, murders, mass killings, torture, etc than the US.
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Muezzin
02-21-2007, 08:10 PM
I dont understand, if a medical examiner examined this woman and said there was no reason to believe that there was any sexual misconduct, then why is this so hard to believe?
Second opinion, anyone?

Rape's a very sensitive subject. Based on the following passage, I don't think she was lying.

'No Iraqi woman under the circumstances- under any circumstances- would publicly, falsely claim she was raped. There are just too many risks. There is the risk of being shunned socially. There is the risk of beginning an endless chain of retaliations and revenge killings between tribes. There is the shame of coming out publicly and talking about a subject so taboo, she and her husband are not only risking their reputations by telling this story, they are risking their lives.'

format_quote Originally Posted by MTAFFI
Do not hate the US, we are not the bad guys here, there are other invaders in Iraq that have contributed far more to the rapes, murders, mass killings, torture, etc than the US.
So you're implying that the US are indeed responsible for some 'rapes, murders, mass killings, torture, etc' and should, by extension, be hated, but not as much as these third parties? I'm not trying to start a debate, I just wasn't sure whether you realized the implication of your statement.
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MTAFFI
02-21-2007, 08:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
Second opinion, anyone?

Rape's a very sensitive subject. But based on the following passage, I don't think she was lying.

'No Iraqi woman under the circumstances- under any circumstances- would publicly, falsely claim she was raped. There are just too many risks. There is the risk of being shunned socially. There is the risk of beginning an endless chain of retaliations and revenge killings between tribes. There is the shame of coming out publicly and talking about a subject so taboo, she and her husband are not only risking their reputations by telling this story, they are risking their lives.'
That is the guy who posted this threads comments, just because he feels that way doesnt mean this woman does too.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
So you're implying that the US are indeed responsible for some 'rapes, murders, mass killings, torture, etc' and should, by extension, be hated, but not as much as these third parties?

Rape, yes there have been some proven cases, and those at fault have been dealt with or are being dealt with appropriately. Mass Killings, no and no murders that I know of. Torture is another issue, I dont think it has been done to the average joe, but probably to those that it was necessary to get information from.

Do you not notice that the people who do these things are typically all over the news once it is proven that they indeed commited one of these acts of indecency? If it were true, why wouldnt the US punish these soldiers, they have punished others. To me there is nothing to substantiate this womans claims and therefore she is lying, she went to the doctor, the doctor says there was no rape. If she were raped by multiple men there would be irrefutable evidence to reflect such an atrocity, and there would be no other way forward other than punishing those that committed the crime.
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Joe98
02-21-2007, 10:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by MTAFFI
.....why wouldnt the US punish these soldiers, they have punished others.
The accusation is that she was raped by the Shiite dominated police. There is no accusation she was raped by Americans.

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soulsociety
02-21-2007, 11:05 PM

'Rape case' fuels Iraq sectarian strife
By Roger Hardy
BBC Middle East analyst

Controversy is raging in Iraq over the alleged rape of a young Sunni Muslim woman by police.

Following her appearance on Monday on al-Jazeera TV channel, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's office said the medical evidence showed she had not been sexually assaulted.

Iraqi woman who made rape accusation
The woman says she was raped by three police officers

It described the woman as a liar and a criminal and said the three policemen should be commended.

But Sunni politicians are accusing the Shia-dominated government of a cover-up.

Who to believe? The facts are now blurred in a thick cloud of sectarian charge and counter-charge.

Privacy rules

The 20-year-old married Sunni woman says she was taken from her home in Baghdad to a police station, where she was accused of helping insurgents - and then raped by three policemen.

The Baghdad police are predominantly Shia.

She was later treated at Ibn Sina hospital, which is run by the US military in the heavily fortified Green Zone.


In conservative Muslim societies, rape carries a special stigma. Victims seldom speak out for fear of shaming their families

According to a document released by Mr Maliki's office, US doctors found no evidence of rape.

However, US officials in Baghdad - clearly feeling themselves caught in the middle of this bitter controversy - say privacy rules prevent them from commenting.

The New York Times reports that an Iraqi nurse who says she treated the woman saw signs of sexual and physical assault.

Believing the worst

But whatever the facts, the story has now taken on a life of its own.

Sunni politicians are outraged by the speed with which the prime minister dismissed the woman's allegation.

Prisoners at Abu Ghraib
Prisoners at Abu Ghraib made allegations of sexual humiliation

Having often alleged brutal treatment by Baghdad's mainly Shia police, Sunnis are ready to believe the worst.

The prime minister continues to insist the whole affair is a politically motivated fabrication.

On Wednesday he fired a senior Sunni official who had issued a statement describing the alleged rape as a "horrific crime" and calling for an international investigation.

The official, Ahmed Abdul-Ghafour Samarrai, was head of the Sunni Endowments, a body responsible for the care of Sunni mosques and shrines.

In conservative Muslim societies, rape carries a special stigma.

Victims seldom speak out for fear of shaming their families.

The allegations of abuse by US guards at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad were all the more shocking because they included sexual humiliation.

Iraqis imprisoned during the Saddam Hussein regime have alleged they were sexually abused or forced to watch the abuse of a close relative.
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MTAFFI
02-22-2007, 02:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
The accusation is that she was raped by the Shiite dominated police. There is no accusation she was raped by Americans.

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Ahh you are correct, oh great observant one...lol.. Either way whether it be the Iraqi police or the Americans if this were actually done the media would have a frenzy with it, if it were true. I am not sure how I got to thinking it was americans, I suppose it was my conversation with Muezzin, sorry about that :D
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MTAFFI
02-22-2007, 05:18 PM
This is not looking to good

Second Iraq rape accusation surfaces By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer
50 minutes ago



BAGHDAD, Iraq - Four Iraqi soldiers have been accused of raping a 50-year-old Sunni woman and the attempted rape of her two daughters in the second allegation of sexual assault leveled against Iraqi forces this week, an official said Thursday.

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Brig. Gen. Nijm Abdullah said the attack allegedly occurred about 10 days ago in the northern city of Tal Afar during a search for weapons and insurgents.

A lieutenant and three enlisted men denied the charge but later confessed after they were confronted by the woman, a Turkoman. Abdullah said a fifth soldier suspected something was wrong, burst into the house and forced the others at gunpoint to stop the assault.

"They have been referred to the judicial authorities so they can receive their just punishment," said Abdullah, who effectively serves as mayor of the city.

A tribal leader from Tal Afar, Sheik Mohammed Khalil Hanash of the Hawyat clan, said the alleged attack took place on Feb. 8. He said the woman told him that the lieutenant filmed the alleged attack on a cell phone video camera, but did not take part.

A second rape allegation within a single week is likely to undermine further the reputation of Iraq's security services, which the U.S. hopes can take over from coalition troops so the Americans and their allies can go home.

The report follows an allegation Monday by a 20-year-old Sunni woman that she was raped by three Iraqi policemen after she was detained during a search of her house in western Baghdad. She was taken to a police garrison where the attack allegedly occurred Sunday before she was rescued by U.S. soldiers, she said.

The government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki cleared the policemen after an investigation lasting less than a day and accused Sunni activists of fabricating the allegation to undermine support for the security forces during the ongoing Baghdad crackdown.

But the woman's complaint and the speed with which the officers were cleared unleashed a political storm, with Sunni politicians accusing the Shiite-led government of a cover-up. U.S. authorities have launched their own investigation.

The chief U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell, said Wednesday that the woman had been taken to a U.S.-run medical facility in Baghdad and that Gen. David Petraeus, the new top U.S. commander in Iraq, had ordered his own investigation.

But Caldwell clarified his remarks Thursday, saying the U.S. military was not conducting an independent probe. He said Petraeus has ordered that any evidence pertinent to the case be secured and preserved "so that it may be provided to the appropriate Iraqi judicial official in accordance with U.S. policy."

Rape is considered an especially heinous crime in this conservative, tribal Muslim society and victims rarely speak about it publicly, fearing shame and even death at the hands of male relatives seeking to save the family honor.

Isobel Coleman, director of the Women and Foreign Policy program at the U.S.-based Council on Foreign Relations, said she believes rape is widespread in Iraq's deepening sectarian battles.

The woman in the Tal Afar case appeared Thursday on Al-Jazeera television, saying the soldiers asked her about certain individuals and accused her of lying to them when she insisted that she did not know them.

"They threatened me that if I did not cooperate they would ... cause me a scandal," she said.

Asked why she did not report the attack immediately, she replied: "Who do I complain to? No one allows us to complain."

Abdullah would not say whether the accused soldiers were Shiites or Sunnis, saying only that they came from the southern part of the country, which is Shiite majority. Some Shiite lawmakers said at least two of the three accused in the Baghdad case were Sunni Arabs.

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Ninth_Scribe
03-02-2007, 09:03 PM
Islamic State Of Iraq Captures 18 Interior Ministry Employees; 24 Hours To Meet Demands

Late Thursday, March 1, 2007, the Islamic State of Iraq announced the capture of eighteen employees of the Ministry of the Interior in Diyala, Iraq. The communiqué states that "This blessed operation was in response to the crimes carried out by those apostates in their fight against the Sunnis…including raping our sister in Allah, Sabrina al-Janabi.” Sabrin al-Janabi, a Sunni Iraqi woman, was recently raped by several Shia officers and both the Amir of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Hamzah Al-Mujahir, and the Amir of the Islamic State of Iraq, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, promised revenge for this latest crime against Sunni Sisters in the war-ravaged country. The Islamic State of Iraq gave the Shiite Malaki government 24 hours to respond to two demands as follows:

1. "Handing over the officers involved in the heinous act against our pious sister."
2. "The release of all Sunni Muslim sisters from the prisons of the apostate Ministry of the Interior."

The Islamic State of Iraq posted the following ten pictures depicting their Mujahideen holding 18 blindfolded men, some in army uniforms. Some of those captured appear to be high ranking officers.


Here we go again folks!

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Ninth_Scribe
03-02-2007, 09:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by MTAFFI
I dont understand, if a medical examiner examined this woman and said there was no reason to believe that there was any sexual misconduct, then why is this so hard to believe?
First, I have yet to obtain medical records concerning the battle of Tel Afar back in 2005. The most common reason offered for this lack of testimony is that doctors are terrified that such reporting will endager their lives or a political agenda.

I have no reason to believe this girl was lying. She is aware of that fact that bearing false witness will imperil her soul, in that she will be held directly responsible for every death that comes from the testimony, if it is a lie. She swears by her account.

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03-05-2007, 10:11 PM
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Ninth_Scribe
03-05-2007, 10:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by MTAFFI
To me there is nothing to substantiate this womans claims and therefore she is lying, she went to the doctor, the doctor says there was no rape.
And the nurse says there was. In this particular case, Maliki's government are the ones who are lying to the public. How do I know this? Cross referenced testimony. The woman is Sunni and the government accused her of being a criminal, tied to insurgents.

According to Al Qaeda and the ISI, women cannot engage in battle. That was agreed upon. Are they lying? Just have a look at Jill Carroll's records - Chapter 4: A Mother As Suicide Bomber. The only way a woman can join the Mujahideen is by signing up for a martyrdom mission. Sabrine was not martyred, nor was she arrested for attempting such a mission, therefore Maliki's government are lying about the charges against her.

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