Second US soldier admits Iraq rape

[Isaac]

A second US soldier has pleaded guilty to raping and killing a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and murdering her family, a crime for which three others still face charges.

A military judge read out the plea agreement on Tuesday to Sergeant Paul Cortez, 24.

Cortez described how he held the girl down and acted as a lookout so other men could rape the teenager before she and her family were killed.

He could face life in prison without possibility of parole for the rape and four counts of murder committed in Mahmudiya in March 2006.

In all, four current and one former soldier were charged with gang raping Abeer Qassim al-Janabi and murdering her and her family, a crime that outraged Iraqis and ratcheted up tension in the war zone.

The Mahmudiya case was one of several killings and abuses involving US soldiers. It prompted Iraqi officials to call for a review of foreign troops' immunity from prosecution in Iraq.

Specialist James Barker pleaded guilty in November and was sentenced to 90 years in a military prison.

Plea agreement

In the plea agreement, Cortez said he held the girl's hands while Barker raped her, then he raped her himself.

The suspected ringleader, Steven Green, shot to death the girl's father, mother and six-year-old sister. He then raped the girl while Cortez acted as a lookout. Green finally shot the girl dead, according to the plea agreement.

Cortez, wearing a dress green uniform and flanked by his civilian lawyer and his military lawyer, showed little reaction to the judge's recitation of the crime. Fewer than two dozen spectators attended the trial in a tiny courtroom inside a Kentucky military base.

Despite his guilty plea, Cortez did not agree that the rape and murder were premeditated. His lawyer, William Cassara, said prosecutors will try to prove on Wednesday that the crime was planned ahead of time.

Alex Pickands, the prosecuting lawyer, said the soldiers "gathered together over cards and booze" last year in Baghdad and came up with a plan to rape and murder the girl.

Other charges

Even if premeditation is not proven, the sentencing options are the same: a maximum of life in prison without parole or a minimum of life in prison with the possibility of parole. Barker and Cortez both avoided the death penalty by pleading guilty. Sentencing is expected on Wednesday or Thursday.

The trial was adjourned after less than three hours so that lawyers could discuss Cortez's involvement in the burning of the girl's body in an attempt to cover up the attack. Cortez pleaded guilty to arson and breaking into the girl's house.

The suspected ringleader, Green, was discharged from the army for a "personality disorder" and is in a Kentucky prison awaiting civilian trial.

Cortez also pleaded guilty to helping get rid of the murder weapon, an AK-47, which was thrown into a canal. He also admitted to drinking whisky prior to the attack, a violation of army rules against alcohol in that area of Iraq.

The other soldiers accused in the case are Private Jesse Spielman and Private Bryan Howard.

MAKE WAY FOR DEMOCRACY!!!! They should be given the death penalty. To illegaly invade ones country is bad enough, but to intentionally rape a girl and kill her family and then try to cover it up is sick and deserves punishment, whether it be from the iraqis or the us government. And the punishment should be no less than death. At least the Britsh troops have abit of morals, unlike some of the demented, and mentally disturbed, Americn nutters.

[Woodrow]

Please provide a link to the story or it will be deleted. News stories without a link to the source are not permitted in this section.

[Cognescenti]

<snip>
MAKE WAY FOR DEMOCRACY!!!! They should be given the death penalty. To illegaly invade ones country is bad enough, but to intentionally rape a girl and kill her family and then try to cover it up is sick and deserves punishment, whether it be from the iraqis or the us government. And the punishment should be no less than death. At least the Britsh troops have abit of morals, unlike some of the demented, and mentally disturbed, Americn nutters.

Forget about the formality of linking to the article cited. How about taking down this post from removed.

Is this kind a hate-mongering really the intent of the forum founders? Exactly how is shockingly offensive garbage like this, directed against about 1/10 of the human beings on the face of the Earth supposed to lead to greater tolerance?

when you get tired of spewing venom, I want you to look real closely at the front end of one those cool 2-decker London busses (you know the ones...like the one of your buds blew up in self defence). To get the best possbile mind-altering experience, make sure the bus is traveling about 40 MPH.

[ACC]

Forget about the formality of linking to the article cited. How about taking down this post from Mr. "changing hearts and minds".

Is this kind a hate-mongering really the intent of the forum founders? Exactly how is shockingly offensive garbage like this, directed against about 1/10 of the human beings on the face of the Earth supposed to lead to greater tolerance?

Isaac, when you get tired of spewing venom, I want you to look real closely at the front end of one those cool 2-decker London busses (you know the ones...like the one of your buds blew up in self defence). To get the best possbile mind-altering experience, make sure the bus is traveling about 40 MPH.

It seems as if that guy is happy the rape occured because it allows him to stereotype all Americans. Gee, I guess it is ok to call all muslims terrorist then, right?

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[wilberhum]

Forget about the formality of linking to the article cited. How about taking down this post from Removed

Is this kind a hate-mongering really the intent of the forum founders? Exactly how is shockingly offensive garbage like this, directed against about 1/10 of the human beings on the face of the Earth supposed to lead to greater tolerance?

when you get tired of spewing venom, I want you to look real closely at the front end of one those cool 2-decker London busses (you know the ones...like the one of your buds blew up in self defence). To get the best possbile mind-altering experience, make sure the bus is traveling about 40 MPH.

Well put!
And since removed wants to blame every American for the actions of a few, then surely he must conclude that every Muslim is responsible for 9-11.

[Woodrow]

The postrers comment are open for discussion and it is far better for those thoughts and words to be openly discussed and debated. However, it is necessary for all of us to refrain from addressing the poster. Keep all discussions to the topic not the poster.

[wilberhum]

The postrers comment are open for discussion and it is far better for those thoughts and words to be openly discussed and debated. However, it is necessary for all of us to refrain from addressing the poster. Keep all discussions to the topic not the poster.

Why? Be nice to those that sow hate?

[Woodrow]

Why? Be nice to those that sow hate?

Because most of us are intelligent and mature enough to be able to do so.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^:lol: Sorry i really thought that was funny....
Why act as if stuff like this doesnt happen :X..but yea source would be nice.

[wilberhum]

^^:lol: Sorry i really thought that was funny....
Why act as if stuff like this doesnt happen :X..but yea source would be nice.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6156656.stm

Or just do a search on any of the names.

I don't think any one is acting like this stuff doesn't happen. You would have to live with your head in the sand or be in total denial to not beleive that it happens.

The article is genuine and the message after it is hate. I have no objections to the article.

[nelly]

A second US soldier has pleaded guilty to raping and killing a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and murdering her family, a crime for which three others still face charges.

A military judge read out the plea agreement on Tuesday to Sergeant Paul Cortez, 24.

Cortez described how he held the girl down and acted as a lookout so other men could rape the teenager before she and her family were killed.

He could face life in prison without possibility of parole for the rape and four counts of murder committed in Mahmudiya in March 2006.

In all, four current and one former soldier were charged with gang raping Abeer Qassim al-Janabi and murdering her and her family, a crime that outraged Iraqis and ratcheted up tension in the war zone.

The Mahmudiya case was one of several killings and abuses involving US soldiers. It prompted Iraqi officials to call for a review of foreign troops' immunity from prosecution in Iraq.

Specialist James Barker pleaded guilty in November and was sentenced to 90 years in a military prison.

Plea agreement

In the plea agreement, Cortez said he held the girl's hands while Barker raped her, then he raped her himself.

The suspected ringleader, Steven Green, shot to death the girl's father, mother and six-year-old sister. He then raped the girl while Cortez acted as a lookout. Green finally shot the girl dead, according to the plea agreement.

Cortez, wearing a dress green uniform and flanked by his civilian lawyer and his military lawyer, showed little reaction to the judge's recitation of the crime. Fewer than two dozen spectators attended the trial in a tiny courtroom inside a Kentucky military base.

Despite his guilty plea, Cortez did not agree that the rape and murder were premeditated. His lawyer, William Cassara, said prosecutors will try to prove on Wednesday that the crime was planned ahead of time.

Alex Pickands, the prosecuting lawyer, said the soldiers "gathered together over cards and booze" last year in Baghdad and came up with a plan to rape and murder the girl.

Other charges

Even if premeditation is not proven, the sentencing options are the same: a maximum of life in prison without parole or a minimum of life in prison with the possibility of parole. Barker and Cortez both avoided the death penalty by pleading guilty. Sentencing is expected on Wednesday or Thursday.

The trial was adjourned after less than three hours so that lawyers could discuss Cortez's involvement in the burning of the girl's body in an attempt to cover up the attack. Cortez pleaded guilty to arson and breaking into the girl's house.

The suspected ringleader, Green, was discharged from the army for a "personality disorder" and is in a Kentucky prison awaiting civilian trial.

Cortez also pleaded guilty to helping get rid of the murder weapon, an AK-47, which was thrown into a canal. He also admitted to drinking whisky prior to the attack, a violation of army rules against alcohol in that area of Iraq.

The other soldiers accused in the case are Private Jesse Spielman and Private Bryan Howard.

MAKE WAY FOR DEMOCRACY!!!! They should be given the death penalty. To illegaly invade ones country is bad enough, but to intentionally rape a girl and kill her family and then try to cover it up is sick and deserves punishment, whether it be from the iraqis or the us government. And the punishment should be no less than death. At least the Britsh troops have abit of morals, unlike some of the demented, and mentally disturbed, Americn nutters.

that is just so disgustin and it makes me more mad wen we cant do anythin about it!

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^True...billions of Muslims and we are barely doin squat!

[Woodrow]

Live imprisonment is a much harsher punishment then death. When a person receives the death penalty he quite often repents and dies a peaceful death. A life in prison means the person is forced to live and reflect upon his actions for many years. There is no easy out and no escaping to an early grave. Repentance has to be earned each and every day and the inner most thoughts can be worse than any man made torture.

[nelly]

that is true, but these days prison doesnt even seenm 2 be that bad. people get all the luxuries in there when they should really hav nothin.

[wilberhum]

that is true, but these days prison doesnt even seenm 2 be that bad. people get all the luxuries in there when they should really hav nothin.

Try a little "Hard Time" and see if it "doesnt even seenm 2 be that bad".
Luxuries? What prisons have you seen? When you loose your freedom you have just about lost it all.

[Woodrow]

that is true, but these days prison doesnt even seenm 2 be that bad. people get all the luxuries in there when they should really hav nothin.

No amount of luxuries can overcome the isolation from family and friends. The loss of freedom to control any aspect of your day. Stop and think of how dull and demeaning life would be it you were told what time to go to bed what time to wake up what time to eat, no choice of food. ( US Prisons will make concessions for religious limitations) No choice of friends. Complete loss of choice about everything.

[nelly]

exuse me but my sis works in a prison and a few of my bro-inlaws are locked up so i do no wot go's on in there! so i do no wot im talkin about thanx very much. Men that do that deserve 2 get tortured for life

[wilberhum]

Men that do that deserve 2 get tortured for life

And what has toture ever accomplished?
Toture is just man's inhumanity to humanity.

[Agnostic]

that is true, but these days prison doesnt even seenm 2 be that bad. people get all the luxuries in there when they should really hav nothin.

This guy will probably go to a US military prison such as Fort Leavenworth,
These prisons operate quit a bit differently then a regular civilian prison I don't think they have many luxuries there.

[Cognescenti]

^^:lol: Sorry i really thought that was funny....
Why act as if stuff like this doesnt happen :X..but yea source would be nice.

Look "mate". The point is not to pretend that this didn't happen. It did. It was discovered by the US military. It was prosecuted vigorously. The defendants are being convicted (or plea-bargaining) one by one. One defendant cannot be tried by military trial as he has been discharged. He will be tried in a US criminal court..in Tennessee, I think. He is not going to be happy with that as the potential sentences are more severe (possibly including the death penalty which is perfectly fine by me).

The point is the editorial appendix that removed chose to add.

As you seem to find preposterous generalizations based on religious or national or ethnic identity to be a funny matter how would it be if I were to make the claim that, deep in their hearts, all English Muslims were secretly rooting for the Underground bombers? And that they are secretly conspiring to slowly take over all British institutions and institute Sharia after which, non-Muslims will be forced to work as domestic servants and eat their meager meals in with crooked backs in broom closets so that they might not offend their Muslim superiors.

Would that be funny?

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

What in G-ds name are u talking about:? I was talking about what Woodrow said "mate." People these days, sheesh. It really shows what you conjure up in ur mind beforehand. Thats dangerous "mate." Please quit buggin me now.

[Cognescenti]

What in G-ds name are u talking about:? I was talking about what Woodrow said "mate." People these days, sheesh. It really shows what you conjure up in ur mind beforehand. Thats dangerous "mate." Please quit buggin me now.

Sorry. Yes I can see now that the first part of your post may have been responding to Woodrow though it wasn't obvious at the time. The second part of your post seemed; however, to be ridiculing those who found Removed's comments offensive.

Something about Removed's comment about the "demented, and mentally disturbed, Americn nutters" set me off. I made an assumption in regard to your post. The internet is an imperfect means of communication. My mistake.

I will set you back to ignore status.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Lol, it's ok. At least it's been resolved now :D

Peace :)

[Sami Zaatari]

thats sickening, poor girl, she grew up as a good muslim girl chaste and all and these barbarians took it all away from her in one night in the most brutal sickening manner. this is the freedom and democracy.

[Cognescenti]

Just in case some have forgotten, the former Iraqi government, which was displaced by the US attack, was no friend of the weak. A bestial regime is replaced by an elected Iraqi government and an imperfect occupation. Of course, this doesn't matter..does it? Because the war was "illegal"



Uday: career of rape, torture and murder


Suzanne Goldenberg
Wednesday July 23, 2003
The Guardian


He was a monster even by the standards of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, a sadist with a taste for cruelty so extreme that even his father was forced to acknowledge that his first-born son would not be a worthy heir.
And yet for all that Uday Saddam Hussein symbolised the brutality of the Iraqi regime, his powers were severely circumscribed. Although he retained the privileges of the much-indulged son of a dictator, he was shunted from the real centres of power in the military and security services by his quieter, younger brother Qusay.

Although Uday nominally had a role in politics - following his election to parliament with 99% of the vote in 1999 - he was studiously absent from Iraqi television during the dying days of the regime.

It was clear controllers realised that showing too many pictures of the most hated man in Iraq was hardly going to spur resistance.

It was not the life that Uday had intended. Of Saddam's two sons, he was the flamboyant one - towering well over 6ft, with a penchant for fast cars and loud and drunken parties, expensive suits and flowing robes, as well as murder, rape and torture.

His public duties ranged from the Iraqi Olympic Committee and the national football team, to Babel, supposedly an independent newspaper, and Shabab, or youth television, to the Iraqi Photographers' Association. He also was in charge of the dreaded Saddam Fedayeen militia.

For those unfortunate enough to have strayed across his path, Uday's reasons for taking on such a public life were pathetic: he wanted to build a public profile in preparation for taking over from Saddam.

The search for public approbation appears to have taken over in the mid-1980s when Uday first took a close interest in sport. Footballers say he never really understood or showed much interest in the game itself, but was desperate enough for a win that he would phone up the dressing room during half-time to threaten to cut off players' legs and throw them to ravenous dogs.

As football overseer, Uday kept a private torture scorecard, with written instructions on how many times each player should be beaten on the soles of his feet after a particularly poor showing.

He also carried a grudge. "Once you came to Uday's notice, he never left you alone. The only time I managed to get away from his eyes was when I went outside Iraq," star performer Habib Jaffar told the Guardian last April.

Uday's excesses carried over in his private life where he had a reputation for ordering any girl or woman who caught his eye to be brought to his private pleasure dome.

The palace, a bad taste Arabian nights fantasy, was decorated with indoor fountains and erotic murals and was in the grounds of his father's presidential estate. A nearby chamber contained huge stashes of drugs as well as an HIV testing kit, according to US forces.

He is also reported to have operated an even more private torture chamber on the banks of the Tigris.

But his brutality finally caught up with him. In 1988 he bludgeoned to death his father's bodyguard Kamal Hana Jajo in front of horrified partygoers.

He also shot one of his uncles in the leg. The murder, shootings, and other erratic behaviour put him in permanent disfavour with Saddam. He was briefly exiled to Switzerland and, while he was allowed to return to Iraq, he was never again deemed suitable for succession.

Uday's marriages were a further source of embarrassment to his father.

His two brief dynastic liaisons - with the daughters of a senior Ba'ath party aide of Saddam and an uncle - were dissolved after Uday beat up his brides.

His remove from power grew even greater in 1996 when gunmen fired on his red Porsche as it sped through the streets of Baghdad. The attack left the scion of Saddam able to walk only with great difficulty.

It also appears to have deepened his rage against his fellow Iraqis. Sports figures in Iraq say he had come to see his duties at the Olympic committee only as a source of ready cash. His cruelty, already legendary, deepened.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...004174,00.html

[Cognescenti]

Or this. Note that wrongdoers in the US military are prosecuted....in the perfect Islmaic paradise that was Saddam's Iraq...well...read for yourself.


Sunday, May. 25, 2003
The Sum of Two Evils
Saddam's nastiest biological weapons may have been his sons Uday and Qusay.

TIME takes an exclusive look inside their reign of terror
By BRIAN BENNETT AND MICHAEL WEISSKOPF I BAGHDAD

After months of recovering from an attempt on his life that put eight bullets in his left side, Uday Hussein, the eldest son of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, was ready to party. At his first outing in 1998, at the posh Jadriyah Equestrian Club, he used high-powered binoculars to survey the crowd of friends and family from a platform high above the guests. He saw something he liked, recalls his former aide Adib Shabaan, who helped arrange the party. Uday tightened the focus on a pretty 14-year-old girl in a bright yellow dress sitting with her father, a former provincial governor, her mother and her younger brother and sister.

Uday's bodyguards picked up the signal and walked through the darkened room, flicking cigarette lighters as they approached the girl's table. Uday, then 33, flipped on his too, confirming they had identified the right one. When the girl left the table for the powder room, Uday's bodyguards approached her with a choice, says Shabaan, who was Uday's business manager. She could ascend the platform now and congratulate Uday on his recovery, or she could call him on his private phone that night. Flustered, she apologized and said her parents would allow neither. One of the guards replied, "This is the chance of your life" and promised she would receive diamonds and a car. "All you have to do is go up there for 10 minutes," he urged. When she demurred again, the bodyguards pursued Uday's backup plan. They maneuvered the girl in the direction of the parking lot, picked her up and carried her to the backseat of Uday's car, covering her mouth to muffle her screams.

After three days the girl was returned to her home, with a new dress, a new watch and a large sum of cash. Her parents had her tested for rape; the result was positive. According to Shabaan's account, Uday heard she had been tested and sent aides to the clinic, where they warned doctors not to report a rape. Furious, the father demanded to see Saddam himself. Rebuffed, he kept complaining publicly about what Uday had done. After three months, the President's son had had enough. He sent two guards to the man to insist that he drop the matter. Uday had another demand: that the ex-governor bring his daughter and her 12-year-old sister to his next party. "Your daughters will be my girlfriends, or I'll wipe you off the face of the earth." The man complied, surrendering both girls.

cont. at http://www.mafhoum.com/press5/147P57.htm

[Sweetness]

Or this. Note that wrongdoers in the US military are prosecuted....in the perfect Islmaic paradise that was Saddam's Iraq...well...read for yourself.


Sunday, May. 25, 2003
The Sum of Two Evils
Saddam's nastiest biological weapons may have been his sons Uday and Qusay.

TIME takes an exclusive look inside their reign of terror
By BRIAN BENNETT AND MICHAEL WEISSKOPF I BAGHDAD

After months of recovering from an attempt on his life that put eight bullets in his left side, Uday Hussein, the eldest son of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, was ready to party. At his first outing in 1998, at the posh Jadriyah Equestrian Club, he used high-powered binoculars to survey the crowd of friends and family from a platform high above the guests. He saw something he liked, recalls his former aide Adib Shabaan, who helped arrange the party. Uday tightened the focus on a pretty 14-year-old girl in a bright yellow dress sitting with her father, a former provincial governor, her mother and her younger brother and sister.

Uday's bodyguards picked up the signal and walked through the darkened room, flicking cigarette lighters as they approached the girl's table. Uday, then 33, flipped on his too, confirming they had identified the right one. When the girl left the table for the powder room, Uday's bodyguards approached her with a choice, says Shabaan, who was Uday's business manager. She could ascend the platform now and congratulate Uday on his recovery, or she could call him on his private phone that night. Flustered, she apologized and said her parents would allow neither. One of the guards replied, "This is the chance of your life" and promised she would receive diamonds and a car. "All you have to do is go up there for 10 minutes," he urged. When she demurred again, the bodyguards pursued Uday's backup plan. They maneuvered the girl in the direction of the parking lot, picked her up and carried her to the backseat of Uday's car, covering her mouth to muffle her screams.

After three days the girl was returned to her home, with a new dress, a new watch and a large sum of cash. Her parents had her tested for rape; the result was positive. According to Shabaan's account, Uday heard she had been tested and sent aides to the clinic, where they warned doctors not to report a rape. Furious, the father demanded to see Saddam himself. Rebuffed, he kept complaining publicly about what Uday had done. After three months, the President's son had had enough. He sent two guards to the man to insist that he drop the matter. Uday had another demand: that the ex-governor bring his daughter and her 12-year-old sister to his next party. "Your daughters will be my girlfriends, or I'll wipe you off the face of the earth." The man complied, surrendering both girls.

cont. at http://www.mafhoum.com/press5/147P57.htm

That poor girl!:'( Not that the current situation is any better, but it is good that Uday never had a chance to run the country.

[Sami Zaatari]

where is the proof of this uday incident? u see i have heard and read alot of these stories, they sound sick and wack, true, BUT IS THERE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR IT? NO THERE IS NOT, it is all HERESAY until someone can bring conclusive proof!

[Agnostic]

where is the proof of this uday incident? u see i have heard and read alot of these stories, they sound sick and wack, true, BUT IS THERE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR IT? NO THERE IS NOT, it is all HERESAY until someone can bring conclusive proof!

It would be very hard to get conclusive proof of any actual incidents in a country that had a father in power as a dictator.

[Sweetness]

where is the proof of this uday incident? u see i have heard and read alot of these stories, they sound sick and wack, true, BUT IS THERE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR IT? NO THERE IS NOT, it is all HERESAY until someone can bring conclusive proof!

Muslim brothers and sisters have told stories of his cruelty, I don't think they would lie about him for no reason.

[Sami Zaatari]

which muslim brothers and sisters? and just because their muslims doesnt make what they say 100% true, until then its still hear-say, there has to be actual proof, many were saying iraq had WMD'S including iraqi muslims, and what happened? so until real proof is brought all these stories are hear-say and nothing more.

[Mezier]

where is the proof of this uday incident? u see i have heard and read alot of these stories, they sound sick and wack, true, BUT IS THERE CONCLUSIVE PROOF AND EVIDENCE FOR IT? NO THERE IS NOT, it is all HERESAY until someone can bring conclusive proof!

:w:

Ask the people of Iraq. There is your proof.
And rape, ANY TYPE OF RAPE, should mean death.
Allah is most Just. He will deal with them accordingly.

:sl:

[Sweetness]

which muslim brothers and sisters? and just because their muslims doesnt make what they say 100% true, until then its still hear-say, there has to be actual proof, many were saying iraq had WMD'S including iraqi muslims, and what happened? so until real proof is brought all these stories are hear-say and nothing more.

Well then what makes anything anyone says true? Its all just hearsay. Why is it that in sharia a certain number of witnesses can be proof, yet this number is not good enough for you against someone that was so obviously a torturer of our brothers and sisters?

[khushnood]

this is horrible and frustrating.this is one of the many cases that have come into notice in d media.there might be many other unknown stories

[Cognescenti]

which muslim brothers and sisters? and just because their muslims doesnt make what they say 100% true, until then its still hear-say, there has to be actual proof, many were saying iraq had WMD'S including iraqi muslims, and what happened? so until real proof is brought all these stories are hear-say and nothing more.

In 2007, I wouldn't have thought it possible, but yes, there is at least one Uday supporter.

I have actually seen the video described in this report. It was on the Public Broadcasting System program called Frontline. No human being could watch this documentary and fail to be convinced of the irredeemable evil of Uday Hussein. Compared to him Saddam was like a friendly ice cream salesman. They were both sociopaths, but Saddam was smarter (but certainly no genius) and not quite as impulsive.

Oh yes...though not mentioned in this report...the women are dressed, shall I say, in an unislamic fashion.


THE BIRTHDAY PARTY TAPE

One of the most memorable tapes is of a birthday celebration. When the drunken Uday becomes bored with sullen dancing girls, he pulls out a machine gun and starts shooting in the air in time with the beat from the band. When that palls, he fires at champagne bottles with his pistol and orders one of his flunkies to throw beer bottles in the air for him to shoot at with an assault rifle. For fun, he aims a few rounds over the heads of his guests, some of whom throw themselves on the ground in terror, only to arise laughing and clapping at the prank, and, no doubt, in relief at still being alive. Uday then finishes off the party by shooting directly over the heads of the band members, who amazingly, keep playing. The keyboard player crouches behind his instrument, still pounding the keys, as Uday shoots up the HAPPY BIRTHDAY sign hung at head level across the stage. When he runs out of bullets, Uday shakes hands with the frightened singer, and just to show he’s a good sport, tells the keyboard player: “See all those holes? All those bullets could be in your belly.” Then he laughs.

In all of the birthday party tapes, the only person who seems to enjoy himself is Uday. Everyone else, including the band, seems petrified with fear. Most of his guests are women, who dance together listlessly as everyone keeps an eye on the guest of honor. In the video showcasing his 32nd birthday in 1996, he hands an AK-47 to a young boy, and helps him fire shots in the air. The highlight of that event: when the fireworks set the brush and lawn next to his house on fire.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3068268/site/newsweek/

[Isaac]

Sorry guys i forgot to add the link. It was taken from Al-Jazeera. Here is the link - http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...C7750FCD5C.htm

Now, from the thread which started, what was so hate filled that it does not deserve to be put up? Was it the case that the American soldiers should in my opinion have been given the death penalty? Was it because it brought out the true colours of SOME of the American soldiers that are supposedly spreading democracy and trying to bring freedom to the Iraqi people.

Second point - How is what I said so venemous? Is wishing for the death penalty as is the case in Iraq and law of the land venemous or just justice. Seeing that they took the life of a young girl after raping her and then killing her familiy the least they desrver is the death penalty.

Third point, how and where did i say all American soldiers are the same or that all americans are the same? Find the quotes and dont just make comments up. Find the quote and i will apologise and if so resign from teh forum? I will wiat for this one, because it is the second time consegnetti has made a vile lie about me!

fourth and final point to consegnetti. What made you think that i have or am buddys with the likes of 7/11 bombers. Ill tell you straight i condemn their actions. But you made a general statment probalbly based on the asumption that i am a muslim and that i accept and promote such things. An dhow the mods can let someone make false claims that i am linked to 7/11 bombers is quite bizzare.

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

These men of the US should have faced Iraqi Court,and their justice is swift.

Murder,rape,lying...

They should all be beheaded.

But with the rampant injustice,and the immunity the US soldiers/citizens face even when doing EVIL,casues such thing.

Will Iraq have peace if the oppresors deny them justice.

I can kill you,you cant sue me or seek Justice.
GO away....

[Bittersteel]

Or this. Note that wrongdoers in the US military are prosecuted....in the perfect Islamic paradise that was Saddam's Iraq...well...read for yourself.

Iraq under Saddam was secular.

To illegaly invade ones country is bad enough, but to intentionally rape a girl and kill her family and then try to cover it up is sick and deserves punishment, whether it be from the iraqis or the us government. And the punishment should be no less than death. At least the Britsh troops have abit of morals, unlike some of the demented, and mentally disturbed, Americn nutters.

where's there is war there will rape,torture,killing of innocents,no matter who conducts.

[Isaac]

Exactly, but he thought just because it was ruled by a muslim, it celebrated eid and that it was overwhleming muslim is was ruled by islamic law. Talk about making a gernerla statements!!!

[Bittersteel]

it doesn't matter whether the government was Islamic or not.what matters,is how good it was in dispensing justice.and I believe Saddam denied justice.such dynasties are pretty common.
I mean if a Royal Saudi prince rapes a woman,do you think he will be executed even if the Islamic laws says so?don't think so.
sorry for going off-topic.I am glad the US military is bringing these criminals to justice.

[Snowflake]

No amount of luxuries can overcome the isolation from family and friends. The loss of freedom to control any aspect of your day. Stop and think of how dull and demeaning life would be it you were told what time to go to bed what time to wake up what time to eat, no choice of food. ( US Prisons will make concessions for religious limitations) No choice of friends. Complete loss of choice about everything.

After a life of freedom & luxury that may seem like punishment but it's nothing compared to the punishment when their no-good kaffir souls will be painfully dragged out of their bodies and subjected to the punishments of the grave and Hell-fire. Then worldly imprisonment will seem like a luxury to them.

[Cognescenti]

Exactly, but he thought just because it was ruled by a muslim, it celebrated eid and that it was overwhleming muslim is was ruled by islamic law. Talk about making a gernerla statements!!!

Isaac;

Come on man. Everybody knows Iraq was secular. It's called irony, brother.

I used the term "Islamic paradise" to describe Hussein's Iraq. Surely, anyone capable of toasting muffins in the morning can see that was meant to be satirical. Do I have to put a winking smilie on everything for you guys?

How does it feel to have an Uday cheerleader on your side? That has to smart a bit doesn't it?

While we are on the topic of the enlightened royal family of Iraq, how do the Muslims here, who I suspect are mostly Sunni, feel about the execution of Saddam. His Shia executioners pulled the trap door just as he was reciting a Muslim prayer. There he was, right in the middle of a prayer. If he ever prayed before it was likely the onlly time he meant it in 60 years...and they disrespected him by not even letting him finish the prayer. Plus it was conducted on a religious holdiay.

Nicely done, wouldnt you say? Of course, it is the American justice system that is corrupted, eh?

[Isaac]

Personally, he got the justice that most if not all the people expected, but never thought they would see. So regarding his execution. That itself was not the problem, but i think the whole climax and political circumstances surrounding it.

Here you have an iraqi sunni president, who opressed many shia. now his exceutioners, are shia, opressed and full of revenge. he is recitating a prayer, but half way through his executioners taunt him and call the name of sadrs uncle who was supposedly executed under saddam. They then let him hang.

Its just comes across as one side taking revenge on the other. Not the execution, because that was justice, but the way it was all done, the timing, the taunting and so forth.

[AHMED_GUREY]

very sad :anger:

i hope the sister has a nice, peacefull and safe future life insha-allah

[Akil]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/uss....ap/index.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2897526

This proves the system works. Soldiers who do bad things are tried and punished under the Uniformed Code of Military Justice.

This group of soldiers raped a young girl and then murdered her and her family. In addition to the horrible crime itself they dishonored their uniform, their country and their family.

They deserve everything they got or will get and more.