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AzizMostafa
02-23-2007, 04:35 PM
1. Ever heard of an embryo died in the womb of a mother?
2. Who was the Life Giver+Taker? Was Who in the mother’s interior?
3. Or was it created from nothing? By accident?
4. Was it accessible to any creature? Through which part of the Mother body?
5. Or did it respond to a Call? With Whose permission?
6. Did the mother play any role in its creation and/or death?
7. Could anybody see the Life Giver+Taker? Or is the Creator always invisible?
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wilberhum
02-23-2007, 04:58 PM
Agnostics? Do you have any understanding what an Agnostic believes?
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AzizMostafa
02-24-2007, 05:56 AM
A person who believes that it is impossible to know whether God exists?!
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Philosopher
02-24-2007, 05:58 AM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
Agnostics? Do you have any understanding what an Agnostic believes?
Agnosticism is not a belief system because it curtails uncertainty over the existence of a supernatural being.
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snakelegs
02-24-2007, 07:32 AM
well, the agnostic answer to your questions is: i don't know.
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AzizMostafa
02-24-2007, 09:03 AM
Snakelegs,
1. Does he/she know that he does not know? Or Doesn't?
2. Does he/she know that a snake has no legs?
With Flowers
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Pygoscelis
02-26-2007, 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by AzizMostafa
A person who believes that it is impossible to know whether God exists?!
That is the classic definition of agnostic. Most modern agnostics redefine it as "uncertainty as to whether god exists". But really, aren't we all agnostics at the core? No atheist I know would say that they are 100% certain there is no God and few theists I know would say that they have absolutely zero doubt. So I prefer the classic definition. The modern one doesn't say much.
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AzizMostafa
02-26-2007, 02:27 PM
"uncertainty as to whether god exists"?

That is the Key to answer my Questions!

Happy Puzzling
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snakelegs
02-27-2007, 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by AzizMostafa
Snakelegs,
1. Does he/she know that he does not know? Or Doesn't?
2. Does he/she know that a snake has no legs?
With Flowers
lol!
i believe that there is much that is unknowable and that that is OK. personally, i believe in god, but not in any religion.
p.s. i like your flowers - thanks.
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AzizMostafa
02-27-2007, 08:34 AM
> Personally, i believe in god, but not in any religion.

Discovered/Invented god(s) or God?!
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wilberhum
02-27-2007, 07:11 PM
Discovered/Invented god(s)
I believe all gods are defined/invented by humans.

Snakelegs,
Sorry for answering your question.
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Philosopher
02-27-2007, 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
I believe all gods are defined/invented by humans.

Snakelegs,
Sorry for answering your question.
I believe that humans received revelations, rather than invent their God.
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wilberhum
02-27-2007, 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Philosopher
I believe that humans received revelations, rather than invent their God.
Many, if not most agree with you. I don't happen to be one of them.

I don't believe that every once and a while god drops in and lets one person know what the rules of the game are.

I also believe that you believe what you say you believe.
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AzizMostafa
02-28-2007, 11:23 AM
> I don't believe that every once and a while god drops in and lets one person know what the rules of the game are.

Wilberhum, I also believe that you believe what you say you believe. So, please let me know:
1. God does not exist? If not, why do you attribute "drops in+Lets one person know" to someone that does not exist?
2. Is there a game? If not, why do you attribute Rules" to to something that does not exist?
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Akil
02-28-2007, 02:13 PM
To define what an agnostic is you should start with the word
The word is obviously Greek

Gnosis is Greek for knowledge; ic means the quality of being

The Gnostic religion is the religion of knowers, they are the knowers because they seek logos the personification of knowledge.

In the Greek language A as a prefix simply, reverses the words definition

So as Agnostics we are the not knowers

That is the simplest and most direct way of defining agnostics
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wilberhum
02-28-2007, 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by AzizMostafa
> I don't believe that every once and a while god drops in and lets one person know what the rules of the game are.

Wilberhum, I also believe that you believe what you say you believe. So, please let me know:
1. God does not exist? If not, why do you attribute "drops in+Lets one person know" to someone that does not exist?
2. Is there a game? If not, why do you attribute Rules" to to something that does not exist?
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God does not exist? I never said that. I think god does exits. But, I also accept the possibility that he does not exist.
As for the game, same answer.
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Pygoscelis
02-28-2007, 07:19 PM
Agnostics by definition don't believe that God doesn't exist.

If they believed that they'd be atheists.

But really the definition of agnostic is so thin that while wilberhum calls himself agnostic, and you seem to think he is atheist, I would call him theist. He's just one that admits he has some doubts, as I suspect all rational theists would have.
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wilberhum
02-28-2007, 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
Agnostics by definition don't believe that God doesn't exist.

If they believed that they'd be atheists.

But really the definition of agnostic is so thin that while wilberhum calls himself agnostic, and you seem to think he is atheist, I would call him theist. He's just one that admits he has some doubts, as I suspect all rational theists would have.
Well done. Yes you would be more accurate calling me a theist.
While I question the existance of god, there is no question in my mind that god had nothing to do with any religion.
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snakelegs
02-28-2007, 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by AzizMostafa
> Personally, i believe in god, but not in any religion.

Discovered/Invented god(s) or God?!
why would any one religion have a monopoly on god? why would god belong to any religion? why do i need a religion to talk to god?
you know the answers to these questions, but obviously i do not. that's why i'm agnostic!
wilberhum, no need to apologize!
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syilla
03-02-2007, 04:34 AM
hello snakelegs...

why do you think one religion have a monopoly on one god?

do you think islam have a monopoly on one god? can you please explain further.

yeah u are right...you don't need religion to talk to god?

But don't you want to know the best ways to talk to god?
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snakelegs
03-02-2007, 06:21 AM
Originally Posted by syilla
hello snakelegs...

why do you think one religion have a monopoly on one god?

do you think islam have a monopoly on one god? can you please explain further.

yeah u are right...you don't need religion to talk to god?

But don't you want to know the best ways to talk to god?
i think you misunderstood what i said. i don'tbelieve any one religion could have a monopoly on god. i think god is too big to be confined into any religion - that he is beyond religion.
so, no, i don't think islam or any other religion has a monopoly on god.
i talk to god the very best way i know how - from the heart. i don't think any person or any religion can have a monopoly on how to talk to god.
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syilla
03-02-2007, 07:06 AM
Originally Posted by snakelegs
i think you misunderstood what i said. i don'tbelieve any one religion could have a monopoly on god. i think god is too big to be confined into any religion - that he is beyond religion.
so, no, i don't think islam or any other religion has a monopoly on god.
i talk to god the very best way i know how - from the heart. i don't think any person or any religion can have a monopoly on how to talk to god.
oh okay.

as a muslim, for sure i'll say islam is the best way. :D

But have you study the muslims way of prayer together with the ayaah that we use? Have you ever try doing it? Have you been to masjid?
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AzizMostafa
03-02-2007, 03:04 PM
Snakelegs,
> why would any one religion have a monopoly on god?

Applicable to invented religions, not the One + Only Discovered!
So, Go exploring!

> why would god belong to any religion?

Religion(s)/Book(s) belong(s) to One + Only, not the other way around?!

> why do i need a religion to talk to god?

You need what+how to talk to Who?
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snakelegs
03-02-2007, 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by syilla
oh okay.

as a muslim, for sure i'll say islam is the best way. :D

But have you study the muslims way of prayer together with the ayaah that we use? Have you ever try doing it? Have you been to masjid?
well, i would hope as a muslim that you would say islam is the best way!
as for your questions - no i haven't.
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snakelegs
03-02-2007, 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by AzizMostafa
Snakelegs,
> why would any one religion have a monopoly on god?

Applicable to invented religions, not the One + Only Discovered!
So, Go exploring!

> why would god belong to any religion?

Religion(s)/Book(s) belong(s) to One + Only, not the other way around?!

> why do i need a religion to talk to god?

You need what+how to talk to Who?
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i understand that as a muslim, you would believe as above.
i don't believe the same as you, or i would be a muslim too!
i am not seeking a religion.
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AzizMostafa
03-03-2007, 04:10 AM
> i am not seeking a religion.
What are you seeking then? God?
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