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Showkat
02-25-2007, 12:17 PM
US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran
By William Lowther in Washington DC and Colin Freeman, Sunday Telegraph




America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.


President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime is accused of repressing minority rights and culture
In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions.

The operations are controversial because they involve dealing with movements that resort to terrorist methods in pursuit of their grievances against the Iranian regime.

In the past year there has been a wave of unrest in ethnic minority border areas of Iran, with bombing and assassination campaigns against soldiers and government officials.

Such incidents have been carried out by the Kurds in the west, the Azeris in the north-west, the Ahwazi Arabs in the south-west, and the Baluchis in the south-east. Non-Persians make up nearly 40 per cent of Iran's 69 million population, with around 16 million Azeris, seven million Kurds, five million Ahwazis and one million Baluchis. Most Baluchis live over the border in Pakistan.


Funding for their separatist causes comes directly from the CIA's classified budget but is now "no great secret", according to one former high-ranking CIA official in Washington who spoke anonymously to The Sunday Telegraph.

His claims were backed by Fred Burton, a former US state department counter-terrorism agent, who said: "The latest attacks inside Iran fall in line with US efforts to supply and train Iran's ethnic minorities to destabilise the Iranian regime."

Although Washington officially denies involvement in such activity, Teheran has long claimed to detect the hand of both America and Britain in attacks by guerrilla groups on its internal security forces. Last Monday, Iran publicly hanged a man, Nasrollah Shanbe Zehi, for his involvement in a bomb attack that killed 11 Revolutionary Guards in the city of Zahedan in Sistan-Baluchistan. An unnamed local official told the semi-official Fars news agency that weapons used in the attack were British and US-made.

Yesterday, Iranian forces also claimed to have killed 17 rebels described as "mercenary elements" in clashes near the Turkish border, which is a stronghold of the Pejak, a Kurdish militant party linked to Turkey's outlawed PKK Kurdistan Workers' Party.

John Pike, the head of the influential Global Security think tank in Washington, said: "The activities of the ethnic groups have hotted up over the last two years and it would be a scandal if that was not at least in part the result of CIA activity."

Such a policy is fraught with risk, however. Many of the groups share little common cause with Washington other than their opposition to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose regime they accuse of stepping up repression of minority rights and culture.

The Baluchistan-based Brigade of God group, which last year kidnapped and killed eight Iranian soldiers, is a volatile Sunni organisation that many fear could easily turn against Washington after taking its money.

A row has also broken out in Washington over whether to "unleash" the military wing of the Mujahedeen-e Khalq (MEK), an Iraq-based Iranian opposition group with a long and bloody history of armed opposition to the Iranian regime.

The group is currently listed by the US state department as terrorist organisation, but Mr Pike said: "A faction in the Defence Department wants to unleash them. They could never overthrow the current Iranian regime but they might cause a lot of damage."

At present, none of the opposition groups are much more than irritants to Teheran, but US analysts believe that they could become emboldened if the regime was attacked by America or Israel. Such a prospect began to look more likely last week, as the UN Security Council deadline passed for Iran to stop its uranium enrichment programme, and a second American aircraft carrier joined the build up of US naval power off Iran's southern coastal waters.

The US has also moved six heavy bombers from a British base on the Pacific island of Diego Garcia to the Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, which could allow them to carry out strikes on Iran without seeking permission from Downing Street.

While Tony Blair reiterated last week that Britain still wanted a diplomatic solution to the crisis, US Vice-President Dick Cheney yesterday insisted that military force was a real possibility.

"It would be a serious mistake if a nation like Iran were to become a nuclear power," Mr Cheney warned during a visit to Australia. "All options are still on the table."

The five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany will meet in London tomorrow to discuss further punitive measures against Iran. Sanctions barring the transfer of nuclear technology and know-how were imposed in December. Additional penalties might include a travel ban on senior Iranian officials and restrictions on non-nuclear business.


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Does this surprise any of us to know that " Terrorism " is a phrase used by America to justify attacks and boycotts of its enemies, and when it serves their interests they would forge alliances with the devil himself.

Those people who are working for an alternative system to the Capitalist one are now being seen as the new enemy with American politicians making references to the Caliphate as being the new evil empire.
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Trumble
02-25-2007, 03:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Showkat
Teheran has long claimed to detect the hand of both America and Britain in attacks by guerrilla groups on its internal security forces.
They would 'detect' that whether it existed or not, it's far easier to just blame America than admit everything might not be perfect after all in the paradise that is Iran. That said, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be exactly over-burdened with sympathy for the Iranian authorities, either; they are doing exactly the same thing in Iraq. As always, it's the innocent who suffer, not those playing the power politics.
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NoName55
02-25-2007, 03:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
They would 'detect' that whether it existed or not, it's far easier to just blame America than admit everything might not be perfect after all in the paradise that is Iran. That said, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be exactly over-burdened with sympathy for the Iranian authorities, either; they are doing exactly the same thing in Iraq. As always, it's the innocent who suffer, not those playing the power politics.
Ditto!

P.S. Shakespeare says: Something is rotten in the state of Denmark (Iran in this instance)
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AvarAllahNoor
02-25-2007, 04:25 PM
I KNEW this the moment the forst bomb went off in Iran last month. It's tit-for-tat!

America is trying everything possible now they are losing. They've got a foot hold in almost everycountry, but I hope Iran stand their ground and continue with what they are doing.
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wilberhum
02-25-2007, 04:34 PM
Showkat
Do you have a link?
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NoName55
02-25-2007, 04:39 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...25/wiran25.xml


It is dang ironic, how these people have been fomenting terror in Pakistani Baluchistan for ever and a day and now their part of Baluchistan is rising up against them. Is it a case of chickens coming home to roost or you shall reap what you sow(sooner or later what goes round comes round)
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aLiTTLeTiMe
02-25-2007, 05:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
I KNEW this the moment the forst bomb went off in Iran last month. It's tit-for-tat!

America is trying everything possible now they are losing. They've got a foot hold in almost everycountry, but I hope Iran stand their ground and continue with what they are doing.
insaallah iran will be power in the world....
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NoName55
02-25-2007, 05:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aLiTTLeTiMe
insaallah iran will be power in the world....
I shudder to to think....
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Bittersteel
02-25-2007, 05:50 PM
if the US could have funded militant groups before(supporting the Afghan Mujahideen during the Afghan was against Soviet Union) they can could have done again.But it could have also been others too.you never know.
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Cognescenti
02-25-2007, 06:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aLiTTLeTiMe
insaallah iran will be power in the world....
Yeah...that's a great idea.

Xerxes bit off more than he could chew and his dreams were destroyed at Salamis. Present day Iran seems to be feeling it's oats too :)

Here, Xerxes orders the sea to be punished after his defeat :statisfie

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_lash_sea.JPG
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wilberhum
02-25-2007, 06:19 PM
America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.
Secretly? I guess it is no longer a secret.

Am I suppressed? Not really. Iran trains, funds, and arm people to kill Collation forces. It does not seam wise for the US to sit back and do nothing.

If this it is true, the US is making the same old mistake. The government thinks “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Usually when the common enemy is gone, they become our enemy. Just like helping OBL against the Russians. And that is only one of many cases.

Ahmadinejad may just rattle his saber one too many times at Bush. War with Iran looks closer and closer all the time.

But what I thought were interesting notes is that the paper referred to Iran as “the Islamic regime”. I saw no comments to that remark. But what was even more interesting is the poster referred to Iran as “the Caliphate”.

But I agree that it is “the new evil empire”.
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Muezzin
02-25-2007, 06:37 PM
Shokat, you need to post the source (i.e. a link) of the article.
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AvarAllahNoor
02-25-2007, 06:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aLiTTLeTiMe
insaallah iran will be power in the world....
lol - ONLY if they are just, and not out to convert everybody to Shia Islam, if not. NO!
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rebelishaulman
02-25-2007, 07:29 PM
Right, and does Iran have any right to talk in the debate of funding seperatist groups in countries like Lebanon and Iraq?
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-25-2007, 07:33 PM
If the US can do it, why not? Has the US not been giving weapons or has given it to Israel? Not that I'm saying either is good. Iran isnt the only one "funding" weapons.
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Woodrow
02-25-2007, 08:30 PM
Please be advised that quoted stories without a valid clickable link are subject to being deleted. Copyright courtesy requires a link back to the original story.

I did find a link for this story.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...25/wiran25.xml
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-25-2007, 09:09 PM
^^Someone did post it already bro ;D lol
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NobleMuslimUK
02-25-2007, 11:05 PM
I dont know why anyone finds this information shocking, the US has a history of funding civil and regional wars. Remember the Iran-Iraq war, that lasted 10 years, the Mujahidden fighting soviets invasion which lasted 10 years. The funding of Israeli agression against Palestine, which has been happening decades now. Its an effective tool for the US to use.
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rebelishaulman
02-25-2007, 11:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
I dont know why anyone finds this information shocking, the US has a history of funding civil and regional wars. Remember the Iran-Iraq war, that lasted 10 years, the Mujahidden fighting soviets invasion which lasted 10 years. The funding of Israeli agression against Palestine, which has been happening decades now. Its an effective tool for the US to use.
The US helps its interest as does every Muslim country.
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NobleMuslimUK
02-25-2007, 11:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by rebelishaulman
The US helps its interest as does every Muslim country.
In pursuit of these interests, criminal and corrupt activities are a tool, and thats ok with you as long as the US benefits!
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rebelishaulman
02-25-2007, 11:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
In pursuit of these interests, criminal and corrupt activities are a tool, and thats ok with you as long as the US benefits!
When did I say that criminal activities is okay? I never said such a statement. What I did say was that the whole world acts like this, including the Muslim one. I never endorsed these actions nor did I say they were correct.
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wilberhum
02-25-2007, 11:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
In pursuit of these interests, criminal and corrupt activities are a tool, and thats ok with you as long as the US benefits!
In pursuit of these interests, criminal and corrupt activities are a tool, and thats ok with you as long as the Muslim Countries benefit?
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NobleMuslimUK
02-26-2007, 12:14 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but you DONT support the illegal military actions of US and Israel, also the muslim countries leaders are all puppets to US, the ones that refused have been invaded. Lets stop suger coating the truth, muslims are suffering in their own countries due to intervention by US. This doesnt mean Americans arent totally responsible for their democratic governments actions. Muslims countries are under dictatorships loyal to US and Israel, so they have limited freedom to start off with.
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wilberhum
02-26-2007, 12:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
Correct me if I am wrong, but you DONT support the illegal military actions of US and Israel, also the muslim countries leaders are all puppets to US, the ones that refused have been invaded. Lets stop suger coating the truth, muslims are suffering in their own countries due to intervention by US. This doesnt mean Americans arent totally responsible for their democratic governments actions. Muslims countries are under dictatorships loyal to US and Israel, so they have limited freedom to start off with.
Well some correct.
you DONT support the illegal military actions of US and Israel
But thats about it.
also the muslim countries leaders are all puppets to US, the ones that refused have been invaded.
I think not.
muslims are suffering in their own countries due to intervention by US.
And some suffer because of there own governments.
Muslims countries are under dictatorships loyal to US and Israel
That a joke.
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north_malaysian
02-26-2007, 04:38 AM
Bush helped the Iraqi Shiites to topple Sunni Saddam, maybe they should help the Iranian Sunnis to topple Shiite Ahmadinejad.....:skeleton:
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Muslim Knight
02-26-2007, 04:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Bush helped the Iraqi Shiites to topple Sunni Saddam, maybe they should help the Iranian Sunnis to topple Shiite Ahmadinejad.....:skeleton:
Like how they (the US) funded & trained Osama bin Laden to fight against the Soviets. When Osama bit them back they blamed the Muslim world for producing terrorists.
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north_malaysian
02-26-2007, 04:51 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
Like how they (the US) funded & trained Osama bin Laden to fight against the Soviets. When Osama bit them back they blamed the Muslim world for producing terrorists.
Of course the wont blame themselves...... they're "innocent":Evil:
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-26-2007, 05:08 AM
^^hehe, that face cracks me up lol.
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AvarAllahNoor
02-26-2007, 12:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by rebelishaulman
Right, and does Iran have any right to talk in the debate of funding seperatist groups in countries like Lebanon and Iraq?
Iraq would have no separatist groups if USA didn't go in.
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AvarAllahNoor
02-26-2007, 12:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Bush helped the Iraqi Shiites to topple Sunni Saddam, maybe they should help the Iranian Sunnis to topple Shiite Ahmadinejad.....:skeleton:
Why? because he has the b**** to stand up to dubya? :rollseyes
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Keltoi
02-26-2007, 01:57 PM
The U.S. is also supporting pro-democracy elements inside Iran. That would have been a better strategy in Iraq, but unfortunately the Iraqi dissidents the Bush administration put their faith in were full of elephant manure. Which of course became obviously apparent fairly quickly.

I think the success that the U.S. had working with the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan has put more emphasis on making parterships, no matter how insignificant, as a way to get intelligence and sew discord with the government in question. This strategy seems to be working somewhat, as there are reports of trouble inside the Iranian government. It seems the conservative and moderate factions in Iranian politics are splitting at the moment.

http://www.eurasianet.org/department...v021506a.shtml
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NobleMuslimUK
02-26-2007, 04:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
The U.S. is also supporting pro-democracy elements inside Iran. That would have been a better strategy in Iraq, but unfortunately the Iraqi dissidents the Bush administration put their faith in were full of elephant manure. Which of course became obviously apparent fairly quickly.

I think the success that the U.S. had working with the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan has put more emphasis on making parterships, no matter how insignificant, as a way to get intelligence and sew discord with the government in question. This strategy seems to be working somewhat, as there are reports of trouble inside the Iranian government. It seems the conservative and moderate factions in Iranian politics are splitting at the moment.

http://www.eurasianet.org/department...v021506a.shtml
I am really wary of the democratic elements you speak of inside Afghanistan and Iraq, the first thing the US does is introduce copyright laws inside a country they invade. So far the results have shown that torture, rape, mugging, drugs trade etc has increased inside Afghanistan after the Taliban, also in Iraq, more violence and a lot of the same thats happening in Afghanistan. The people are clearly suffering here, so much so that the troops sent to these countries arent even given the courtesy of basics such as clean hygienic water etc... I dont know why you dont raise the question as to what the real purpose of these illegal wars is, or is that forbidden. Its clearly of no benefit to the Americans and to us here in Britain, the two main countries involved. :)
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Bittersteel
02-26-2007, 04:42 PM
That a joke.
not entirely.Egypt for one will do anything to get military aid from the United States or else they will have problems keeping a navy or a moderately ready air force.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...369234,00.html
most probably its psychological warfare since Gulf States like Oman are not interested in fighting Iran.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/830309.html
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cleo
02-26-2007, 04:53 PM
I think that the population should quit listening to the big corporation owned news stations, and get the facts, that is reallity...
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Cognescenti
02-26-2007, 09:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
Like how they (the US) funded & trained Osama bin Laden to fight against the Soviets. When Osama bit them back they blamed the Muslim world for producing terrorists.

Bah....that is purely mythical. OBL had his own agenda during the Soviet era in Afghanistan which was occaisionally alligned with Afghan forces supported by the US.

Your claim of funding and training is preposterous.
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Keltoi
02-26-2007, 09:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
Bah....that is purely mythical. OBL had his own agenda during the Soviet era in Afghanistan which was occaisionally alligned with Afghan forces supported by the US.

Your claim of funding and training is preposterous.
The connection between OBL and the CIA has definitely been sensationalized. The U.S. was aiding the Afghan resistance, which included foreigners like OBL on occasion. However, the U.S. was concerned with aiding the Afghans fend off the Soviets, not specifically giving anything to OBL.
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Bittersteel
02-27-2007, 08:58 AM
The connection between OBL and the CIA has definitely been sensationalized. The U.S. was aiding the Afghan resistance, which included foreigners like OBL on occasion. However, the U.S. was concerned with aiding the Afghans fend off the Soviets, not specifically giving anything to OBL.
true ,but the Afghan resistance wasn't led by a proper military but by militant groups.
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Akil
02-27-2007, 02:33 PM
#1) While we haven’t won in Iraq (ie we haven’t stabilized the country), we are not losing (which would mean that our very presence in Iraq was untenable and logic would dictate a tactical withdrawal).

#2) I would not be surprised if the US was helping along resistance groups within Iran. These kinds of tactics reach back hundreds of years. But do not be confused, the growing middle class in Iran does not support the Revolution, the very poor who do support the Revolution do not support its funding of Hezbollah or Hamas and Iran is only 60% Farsi and treats its racial and religious minorities very badly, including but not limited to its Zoroastrians, its Arabs (Sunni or Shia), its Jews, it’s Bahe, it’s Druze etc. Iran is not a stable country and the so-called bloggers revolution is just a symptom of the general unrest within.
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NobleMuslimUK
02-28-2007, 03:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Akil
#1) While we haven’t won in Iraq (ie we haven’t stabilized the country), we are not losing (which would mean that our very presence in Iraq was untenable and logic would dictate a tactical withdrawal).

#2) I would not be surprised if the US was helping along resistance groups within Iran. These kinds of tactics reach back hundreds of years. But do not be confused, the growing middle class in Iran does not support the Revolution, the very poor who do support the Revolution do not support its funding of Hezbollah or Hamas and Iran is only 60% Farsi and treats its racial and religious minorities very badly, including but not limited to its Zoroastrians, its Arabs (Sunni or Shia), its Jews, it’s Bahe, it’s Druze etc. Iran is not a stable country and the so-called bloggers revolution is just a symptom of the general unrest within.
The mad fool with his trigger on the button wants any excuse to push that button. You think general unrest within Iran is reason enough to introduce a US led dictatorship which should make things better?
We want US gone from muslim countries, the sooner the better. Good riddance.
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Akil
02-28-2007, 06:04 AM
The mad fool with his trigger on the button wants any excuse to push that button.
Are you trying to insinuate that the US would use a nuke on some part of the middle east? Cause that’s retarded. It would never happen; the US would never do it unless it was responding to a major nuclear, biological or chemical attack and then mutually assured destruction is likely to rear its ugly head.


You think general unrest within Iran is reason enough to introduce a US led dictatorship which should make things better?
Bah we tried that once (think the Shah of Iran), didn’t fly. The US doesn’t seem to be creating dictators like we used to either.


We want US gone from muslim countries, the sooner the better. Good riddance.
Don’t you watch TV? We want to be gone from Muslim countries too! But at the moment there is a huge power vacuum that we created in Iraq and we have a responsibility to support the constituted Iraqi government until such a time as it can stand on its own two feet.

Riddle me this, when the US does intervene somewhere you want to know why! And when the US doesn’t intervene in a global crisis everyone wants to know why not! LOL ****ed if we do, ****ed if we don’t.
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NobleMuslimUK
02-28-2007, 11:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Akil
Are you trying to insinuate that the US would use a nuke on some part of the middle east? Cause that’s retarded. It would never happen; the US would never do it unless it was responding to a major nuclear, biological or chemical attack and then mutually assured destruction is likely to rear its ugly head.




Bah we tried that once (think the Shah of Iran), didn’t fly. The US doesn’t seem to be creating dictators like we used to either.




Don’t you watch TV? We want to be gone from Muslim countries too! But at the moment there is a huge power vacuum that we created in Iraq and we have a responsibility to support the constituted Iraqi government until such a time as it can stand on its own two feet.

Riddle me this, when the US does intervene somewhere you want to know why! And when the US doesn’t intervene in a global crisis everyone wants to know why not! LOL ****ed if we do, ****ed if we don’t.
Your making very retarded comments if you think there was any threat from Iraq, the US regime still invaded that country despite no WMD. Also dont forget the nuke used in Hiroshima. Havent you noticed the US regime is attacking anyone that ISNT a threat.
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wilberhum
02-28-2007, 11:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
Your making very retarded comments if you think there was any threat from Iraq, the US regime still invaded that country despite no WMD. Also dont forget the nuke used in Hiroshima. Havent you noticed the US regime is attacking anyone that ISNT a threat.
forget the nuke used in Hiroshima
Another one that think only Muslims have the right to defend themselves.
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Akil
03-06-2007, 04:51 AM
Your making very retarded comments if you think there was any threat from Iraq,

the US regime still invaded that country despite no WMD.
If Saddam wanted to prove he did not have weapons of mass destruction he should not have messed around with the Inspection teams. If you read Hans Blix reports from right before the war with Iraq, he concluded that Saddam was not cooperating and could have possessed weapons of mass destruction. Hans Blix changed his mind later because he is first and foremost a politician and wanted to further his political career within in own country (that is all public record).

The bottom line is that Iraq was not compliant with the UN resolution; the UN failed the world much like the League of Nations before them, by appeasing instead of acting.


Also dont forget the nuke used in Hiroshima.
A nuke that ended a war and brought peace to the world. It was a friggan horrible idea.


Havent you noticed the US regime is attacking anyone that ISNT a threat.
Sure dude, the US is attacking Canada and the Netherlands next week, whatever. Now you’ve gone from bland rhetoric to incoherent babbling.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
03-06-2007, 04:59 AM
Before the West invaded Iraq, Blair said they were not ready to attack Iraq, but invaded soon after. Even before UN deadline I think. They are saying the same for Iran. I highly doubt they wont attack. At least thats what past experience shows.
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Akil
03-06-2007, 05:49 AM
Even before UN deadline I think.
Try the UN had already extended the deadline once and was trying to extend the deadline again.
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