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AvarAllahNoor
03-07-2007, 11:10 AM
A group of German bishops sparked controversy yesterday when they compared Israel's treatment of the Palestinians with the Nazis' maltreatment of Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

The comments were made by the 27-strong German Bishops' Conference after its tour of Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.


Children walk past the controversial Israeli barrier


Several of the bishops were upset by the Jerusalem Wall, the 30ft high concrete barrier illegally built by Israel to separate Palestinian suburbs from the rest of the city.

While crossing one of the checkpoints into East Jerusalem, Cardinal Joachim Meisner, Archbishop of Cologne, said he had been particularly incensed.

"This is something that is done to animals, not people," he said referring to the wall and heavily fortified checkpoints where Palestinians are subjected to intrusive questioning and demands for Israel-approved documentation.

The Archbishop was brought up in Communist-controlled East Germany.

"For me it is a nightmare. I didn't think I would see such a wall again in my life," he said.

"Just like they brought the Berlin Wall down, so too will this wall come down. It will not endure."

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The bishops visited Yad Vashem, the Holocaust museum in Jerusalem, before heading to Ramallah, the de facto capital of the occupied West Bank.

"This morning we saw pictures of the Warsaw ghetto at Yad Vashem and this evening we are going to the Ramallah ghetto," Bishop Gregor Maria Franz Hanke said.

"It's enough to drive one mad. Israel has the right to exist, but this right cannot be realised in such a brutal manner."

The Israeli press described the Nazi comparisons as "divisive", but the bishops offered no apology.

Instead, Bishop Hanke said he planned to amend this year's Easter message to German churches to include the delegation's impressions and to demand a change to the situation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wbishops07.xml
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Muezzin
03-07-2007, 08:17 PM
This really belongs in World Affairs.

Also, people who reply have to play nice or this thread go locky-bye, 'kay?
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AvarAllahNoor
03-07-2007, 08:20 PM
Muezzin, why have you got Gajar picture?
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Muezzin
03-07-2007, 08:21 PM
Couldn't find any Alloo.

And that's probably as much 'comedy' this thread can take before people go crazy. :)
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wilberhum
03-07-2007, 08:23 PM
Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto
Had it good compared to what was to come.
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north_malaysian
03-08-2007, 02:49 AM
why nobody saying those bishops of being "Anti-Semitic"?:rollseyes
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ManchesterFolk
03-08-2007, 03:07 AM
There Germans, they have every right to talk... :rollseyes
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north_malaysian
03-08-2007, 03:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
There Germans, they have every right to talk... :rollseyes
:phew
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snakelegs
03-08-2007, 03:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
why nobody saying those bishops of being "Anti-Semitic"?:rollseyes
it's not anti-semitic to criticize israel, and there is plenty to criticize.
still, something about a german comparing israel to nazis is just repulsive.
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Keltoi
03-08-2007, 03:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
it's not anti-semitic to criticize israel, and there is plenty to criticize.
still, something about a german comparing israell to nazis is just repulsive.
I hoped I wasn't the only one who found that slightly strange.
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AvarAllahNoor
03-08-2007, 04:48 PM
We're all allowed to have opinions!
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Pygoscelis
03-08-2007, 05:02 PM
Yes, to criticize Israel is not to be anti-simetic. Israel has had a free pass in western society for FAR too long by crying victim re racism. Israel has done a lot of evil things and it is not a bad thing to call them on it.
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AvarAllahNoor
03-08-2007, 05:16 PM
Good and bad in all of us.
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snakelegs
03-08-2007, 10:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
We're all allowed to have opinions!
of course!
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Sinner
03-08-2007, 11:01 PM
There are some notable differences between the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and the Palestinians. The Jews didn't engaged in acts of terrorism against the German population. They didn't have a Charter calling for the destruction of "the German entity" The Nazis did not engage in "land for peace" programs with the Jews, just to see increases of violence and greater demands from the Jewish population. There would be no checkpoints, house-checks, troops in the streets etc... if there was no Palestinian terrorist threat. There is no moral equivalence between the Nazis and the State of Israel.
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wilberhum
03-08-2007, 11:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Sinner
There are some notable differences between the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto and the Palestinians. The Jews didn't engaged in acts of terrorism against the German population. They didn't have a Charter calling for the destruction of "the German entity" The Nazis did not engage in "land for peace" programs with the Jews, just to see increases of violence and greater demands from the Jewish population. There would be no checkpoints, house-checks, troops in the streets...ect if there was no Palestinian terrorist threat. There is no moral equivalence between the Nazis and the State of Israel.
Kind of my thoughts.
Though.
Israel has committed many an atrocity. But the comparison is of little validity.

Dang, did I fall into that trap of looking at both sides?
:D
Calling a lake a pond is a distortion. :?
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