Gay School Books Outrage UK Faiths

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Gay School Books Outrage UK Faiths

LONDON — Britain's main religious groups are infuriated by a controversial educational scheme to indoctrinate school children, as young as four, with pro-homosexual ideas.
"Why are we introducing these ideas to such young children?" Tahir Alam, chair of the Education Committee in the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), told Reuters on Wednesday, March 14.

A pilot scheme introducing books dealing with gay issues to children from the ages of four to 11 has been launched in British schools with the backing of the Department for Education.

The 600,000-pound "No Outsiders" project includes teaching fairy stories that encompass same-sex relationships for primary-aged children.

Instead of traditional Cinderella fairytale, one of the books features a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in love with a man.

Others feature two male penguins raising an adopted child and a girl with two space-traveling mothers.

"A lot of parents will be very concerned about the exposure of their children to such books, which are contrary to their religious beliefs and values," said Alam.

Islam considers homosexuality to be clearly sinful.

There are 400,000 Muslim students in the schools of Britain, home to a sizable Muslim minority of nearly 2 million.

The MCB has recently published a 72-page document of guidelines on meeting the needs of Muslim pupils attending state schools in the UK, especially with regard to sex education.

The new plan comes as the government prepares to enforce new Sexual Orientation Regulations that are expected to have an impact on every aspect of life for religious believers.

The controversial regulations will force hoteliers to rent rooms to gay couples and printers will be unable to refuse printing homos magazines or advertisements.

Prominent British Muslims, Christians and Jews had organized joint demonstrations against the new law.

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The new educational scheme's officials claim they are only reflecting real life.

"Many, many children in this country have this as part of their everyday experience," Elizabeth Atkinson, director of the project, told BBC radio.

But religious groups say the scheme's intention is to make homosexuality appear normal for young kids.

"The whole project is nothing more than propaganda aimed at primary school children to make them sympathetic to homosexuality," said Stephen Green, director of the religious campaign group Christian Voice.

"This is tantamount to child abuse," he charged.

Green insisted that children aged four and five, who would not really understand what homosexuality is, were too young to have their minds inoculated with pro-homos ideas.

"Parents should be able to have the peace of mind of knowing that school is a safe place," he told Reuters.

"And to have their children indoctrinated with pro-homosexual propaganda is an abuse of the trust parents place in schools."

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[wilberhum]

with pro-homosexual ideas

How discussing. :raging: Children need to be taught to hate homosexuals. :?

Intolerance is the only way to keep children safe from those sicko’s. :D

Or maybe they are just teaching understanding. :thumbs_up

[strider]

I don't think children should be forcefully exposed to homosexuality from such an early age. Explaining homosexuality would be better done in optional sex education classes when they are alittle older.

[wilberhum]

"No Outsiders", what a great concept.
To bad some homophobic theorists want to justify there hate.

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[snakelegs]

as much as i think tolerance should be taught, this seems a bit much....

Instead of traditional Cinderella fairytale, one of the books features a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in love with a man.

[wilberhum]

as much as i think tolerance should be taught, this seems a bit much....

Ya, it is a bit much but I really like:

two male penguins raising an adopted child and a girl with two space-traveling mothers.

I just think we need to do a lot to counter all the homophobic hate messages we see. It gives me great concern when other wise good people talk about justifying killing someone because of there sexual orentation.

[strider]

Ya, it is a bit much but I really like:

I just think we need to do a lot to counter all the homophobic hate messages we see. It gives me great concern when other wise good people talk about justifying killing someone because of there sexual orentation.

There is a difference between hating on people who practice homosexuality and merely condemning the practice. Parents shouldn't be faced with the prospect of their child being forced to learn that homosexuality is okey if to them that is not the case.

[Uthman]

Hi Wilberhum,

It gives me great concern when other wise good people talk about justifying killing someone because of there sexual orentation.

The death penalty for homosexuality is not for the sexual orientatin of a person, but their acting on it. It is applied if a person engages in homosexual acts. I've seen a few of your posts so I know that you're intelligent enough to see the difference. :)

[wilberhum]

Hi Wilberhum,



The death penalty in Islam is not for the sexual orientatin of a person, but their acting on it.

Kill whom ever you want when ever you want, just be sure you do it where the death penalty doesn't exist.

[mohammed farah]

gays are filthy people end of.

[strider]

gays are filthy people end of.

Excuse you!

[Uthman]

Hey :),

Kill whom ever you want when ever you want, just be sure you do it where the death penalty doesn't exist.

But it isn't for me to carry out this punishment, it's for the state to carry out. Anyway, it's clear that you're against the death penalty but I suppose that isn't the discussion. Our views differ and I respect that. :)

Regards

[wilberhum]

There is a difference between hating on people who practice homosexuality and merely condemning the practice. Parents shouldn't be faced with the prospect of their child being forced to learn that homosexuality is okey if to them that is not the case.

Parents that do not supplement there children's education are neglectful.

If the parents feel the need to teach there children that they conceder some actions wrong, they should do so.

I think "No Outsiders" is a great concept. I see nothing wrong with letting children know there are alternate life stiles and do it in a manner that promotes understanding and does not convey hate.

[wilberhum]

But it isn't for me to carry out this punishment

That is right.

it's for the state to carry out.

But not all states are homophobic. Thank god.

[wilberhum]

gays are filthy people end of.

This is just the kind of hatred that "No Outsiders" is trying to stop.

[czgibson]

Greetings,

The death penalty for homosexuality is not for the sexual orientatin of a person, but their acting on it. It is applied if a person engages in homosexual acts. I've seen a few of your posts so I know that you're intelligent enough to see the difference. :)

The idea that people should be executed for having gay sex is utterly horrific in my view. Are you serious, Osman?

I think it is right that kids should be taught not to hate homosexuals, but I have to say I'm undecided on what age these ideas ought to be introduced. Four seems a little young, but they're obviously not going to be going into full graphic detail at that stage.

Peace

[strider]

Parents that do not supplement there children's education are neglectful.

If the parents feel the need to teach there children that they conceder some actions wrong, they should do so.

I think "No Outsiders" is a great concept. I see nothing wrong with letting children know there are alternate life stiles and do it in a manner that promotes understanding and does not convey hate.

I understand where you are coming from and i agree that there is nothing wrong with lettig children know there are people living alternative lifestyles, but bringing a law in and promoting the homosexual lifestyle in subtle ways as through fairytales isn't the way to go. Primary socialisation of children through the education system is extremely important and preventing parents from choosing what their child is exposed to from such an early age is wrong.

Introducing such an optional scheme at a later date in a childs life i wouldn't really have an objection to.

[strider]

Greetings,


The idea that people should be executed for having gay sex is utterly horrific in my view. Are you serious, Osman?

Certainly some scholars of Islam are of the opinion that practicing homosexuals should be pushed off a cliff or something to that effect.

[Uthman]

All I was doing was outlining the Islamic view to my understanding. Now I realise there appears to be some controversy between the scholars over the issue, especially over whether the punishment is applied if the act is done privately. Since I am not a scholar, I am not comfortable with arguing about it. Please note that this isn't some clever tactic of me getting out of the discussion.

If you are interested, Ansar made a post about it here:

http://www.islamicboard.com/556617-post29.html

[czgibson]

Greetings,

All I was doing was outlining the Islamic view to my understanding. Now I realise there appears to be some controversy between the scholars over the issue, especially over whether the punishment is applied if the act is done privately. Since I am not a scholar, I am not comfortable with arguing about it. Please note that this isn't some clever tactic of me getting out of the discussion.

Don't worry, I understand. :)

I think that these issues where there are disagreements among the scholars make it less easy for outsiders to understand Islamic beliefs in general. After all, think of the number of times we hear people say 'Muslims believe...' and then mention something that in fact not all Muslims believe.

Peace

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

If they really want an understanding to exist, they should teach it separately away from mainstream classes. If the parents want the kids to learn, then they can go to those. But its not fair for all the students to have to learn if the parents object to it. Its just a bit too much. Replacing simple fairytales to one of homosexuality? Comeon. And we all know kids. Trying to act out stuff from whatever they read, hear, learn, see etc.. Thats a very delicate stage where the child is still growing and learning. Not a very smart approach.

[strider]

If they really want an understanding to exist, they should teach it separately away from mainstream classes. If the parents want the kids to learn, then they can go to those. But its not fair for all the students to have to learn if the parents object to it. Its just a bit too much. Replacing simple fairytales to one of homosexuality? Comeon.

Precisely. Especially at the age of 5.

[Umar001]

I wonder if Muslims who don't like this will move out, or just let it go on dispite them not liking it.

[snakelegs]

Ya, it is a bit much but I really like:

I just think we need to do a lot to counter all the homophobic hate messages we see. It gives me great concern when other wise good people talk about justifying killing someone because of there sexual orentation.

i agree with you, but there is such a thing as appropriateness and timing.
as strider pointed out, this would be better done when the child is old enough to understand and not in the form of dosages of revised and "corrected" versions cinderalla stories.

[wilberhum]

I understand where you are coming from and i agree that there is nothing wrong with lettig children know there are people living alternative lifestyles, but bringing a law in and promoting the homosexual lifestyle in subtle ways as through fairytales isn't the way to go. Primary socialisation of children through the education system is extremely important and preventing parents from choosing what their child is exposed to from such an early age is wrong.

Introducing such an optional scheme at a later date in a childs life i wouldn't really have an objection to.

It seams that we are making final judgments with basically no real knowledge. I assume the material being presented is appropriate for the age group. I think you are assuming something different. So the real problem is that we are assuming. :?

PS: Snakelegs, I think this also covers your concerns.

[Keltoi]

This sounds similar to a series that started on HBO called "Fairy Tales for Every Child". It retold old fairy tales with non-white characters. I realize racial and moral questions are different, but we must all come to grips with the fact that alternative lifestyles aren't going anywhere, and are in fact increasing. Increasing because more homosexuals feel comfortable coming out in the open. Homosexuality is here to stay and has always been here. I understand the religious and moral concerns of people, because I feel the same way. However, our children will be exposed to the changes in our culture, regardless of what books they read. Perhaps this is something we will just have to accept and come to terms with.

[Hashim_507]

This is disgusting metirial they teach at schools. I am against homosexuality practices around the globe. This is not race issues; I believe Allah keep mankind growing by having treditional couples (ex. Man and wife) spreading there seeds.Therefore this metirial should be ban from schools; the children will learn to loose there morals.

[wilberhum]

This is disgusting metirial they teach at schools. I am against homosexuality practices around the globe. This is not race issues; I believe Allah keep mankind growing by having treditional couples (ex. Man and wife) spreading there seeds.Therefore this metirial should be ban from schools; the children will learn to loose there morals.

Another hate message. This is why education is necessary.

[Pygoscelis]

I find the whole islam/jewish/christian anti-homosexuality messageto be bigotted and generally wrong. So when I see things like this it just gives me a perverse satisfaction. I like seeing homophobes squirm just as I like seeing racists surrounded by people of the race they dislike.

Its just fun for me to see. I've even pretended to be homosexual a couple of times to make some homophobes uncomfortable. I think that may be wrong of me, maybe even cruel, but it is the truth.

[sameer]

i wonder if all the children in the world learn this and decide that they like it and want to do it, then would they be happy that there will be no future for mankind?

I suppose a few years down the road they would probably be ok with sexual relations between siblings or sexual relation between man and beast etc.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

This is just the kind of hatred that "No Outsiders" is trying to stop.

seriously are you gay?

[Musaafirah]

:sl:
I personally think it is wrong to expose kids as young as 4 to the concept of homosexuality..as it is, at that age kids tend to think it 'disgusting' to hang out with kids of the opposite gender, what if that feeling remains and is 'intensified' by the 'No Outsiders' project?
:w:

[wilberhum]

seriously are you gay?

Nope! Straight as an arrow. I just don't see the need to hate others. Plus I'm a huge supporter of equal rights.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Nope! Straight as an arrow. I just don't see the need to hate others. Plus I'm a huge supporter of equal rights.

oh ok :)

well its just that God has created them in a certain way and created women in a certain way you see. By being gay they go against the order of God, terrible thing to do!!! terrible

[wilberhum]

oh ok :)

well its just that God has created them in a certain way and created women in a certain way you see. By being gay they go against the order of God, terrible thing to do!!! terrible

If they go against the order of god, then it is between them and god.

[mohammed farah]

since one of my comments against gay people was deleted....gays are good people.....happy!

[strider]

since one of my comments against gay people was deleted....gays are good people.....happy!

You really do need to tone down alittle.

[mohammed farah]

You really do need to tone down alittle.

no i wont, i just cant stand them:raging: :raging: :raging:

[wilberhum]

no i wont, i just cant stand them:raging: :raging: :raging:

A prime example of why we need to teach tollorance.

[czgibson]

Greetings,

no i wont, i just cant stand them:raging: :raging: :raging:

Can you see how hatred has clouded your judgement on this issue?

Someone has taught you to hate, and that is just wrong.

Peace

[mohammed farah]

and another reason not to teach homesexuality to children, soon you will be getting boys at the age of 11 going out with each other as boyfriends. +o(

[mohammed farah]

Greetings,


Can you see how hatred has clouded your judgement on this issue?

Someone has taught you to hate, and that is just wrong.

Peace

either yuo dislike them or like them, but remember i did not say i hate them i just cant stand them 2 completly diferent things

[strider]

and another reason not to teach homesexuality to children, soon you will be getting boys at the age of 11 going out with each other as boyfriends. +o(

I guess you would only view that to be an issue of concern if you objected to homosexuality in general, which you do, so it figures.

[mohammed farah]

20 years ago, gays were unheard of, in 20 years time, will be so normal that mothers and fathers would be proud to have a gay son or daughter. look at sir elton john he couldnt admit he was gay 25 years ago becuase he knew he would be an outcast so he was married to a lady but now becuase gays are accepted he goes on to marry a man. you get my point now

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

For this case,it is simple.

Homosexuality is HARAM.

Any person male or female comminting such a horrendous act must be punished severely.
Inshallah.

No two way about it.

i see some moderate muslim who try to talk about individuality and freedom and so on CONTRARY TO ALLAH COMMANDMENTS..
All i can say,Alhamduliah,,the QURAN is UNchaged and UNchageable,,man changes and it will your bane.

For the non muslim,atheist,agnostic or chrisitan,,,If you support such deviant lifestyles then pls go ahead and support it,muslim wont be a party to it.

I sincerely hope the British Muslim will send the children elsewhere to school.

And another step towards the deevolution of the western world,as their populace decreases,Inshallah Muslim shall increase.

They are fornicating themselves to death..

[strider]

20 years ago, gays were unheard of, in 20 years time, will be so normal that mothers and fathers would be proud to have a gay son or daughter. look at sir elton john he couldnt admit he was gay 25 years ago becuase he knew he would be an outcast so he was married to a lady but now becuase gays are accepted he goes on to marry a man. you get my point now

A couple of centuaries ago women having equal opportunities as their male counterparts was unheard of but now nearly everybody agrees that a woman is not mentally challenged solely based on her gender.

[Zulkiflim]

This sounds similar to a series that started on HBO called "Fairy Tales for Every Child". It retold old fairy tales with non-white characters. I realize racial and moral questions are different, but we must all come to grips with the fact that alternative lifestyles aren't going anywhere, and are in fact increasing. Increasing because more homosexuals feel comfortable coming out in the open. Homosexuality is here to stay and has always been here. I understand the religious and moral concerns of people, because I feel the same way. However, our children will be exposed to the changes in our culture, regardless of what books they read. Perhaps this is something we will just have to accept and come to terms with.

Salaam,

Homesexuality is here to stay ...and so we must embrace it..

Rape occurs every 3 minutes in the US ...so it is here to stay.,,we should embrace it..

Stealing happen every 2 second worldwide,,we should embrace it..

So what is common and will be popular must be emrbaced...

So may i ask,,Since Islam is popular why dont you embrace Islam?

Do you always follow the pupolusit movement contrary to what your reliogn teaches,or do you make up what to follow and what nopt to follow?

[mohammed farah]

Salaam,

Homesexuality is here to stay ...and so we must embrace it..

Rape occurs every 3 minutes in the US ...so it is here to stay.,,we should embrace it..

Stealing happen every 2 second worldwide,,we should embrace it..

So what is common and will be popular must be emrbaced...

So may i ask,,Since Islam is popular why dont you embrace Islam?

Do you always follow the pupolusit movement contrary to what your reliogn teaches,or do you make up what to follow and what nopt to follow?

very well said

[Zulkiflim]

A couple of centuaries ago women having equal opportunities as their male counterparts was unheard of but now nearly everybody agrees that a woman is not mentally challenged solely based on her gender.

Salaam,

Did you know gay/lesbian lifestyle was the norm in Sodom...

And was destroyed.

It came to fashion in the time of the Romans...

And was also destroyed...

It came back to fashion now...

And will aslo be destroyed..

So what does that tell you...

I remember a drwaing about a wife and husband standing by the sink...the wife said ...

Our boys have just seen BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN...Cowboys,,and they are roleplaying..

Refereing to the brothers kissing and groping one another..

All i cna say is,,why do you think the Gov has age limits for certain Shows..

INAPPROPRIATE..

[strider]

Salaam,

Did you know gay/lesbian lifestyle was the norm in Sodom...

And was destroyed.

It came to fashion in the time of the Romans...

And was also destroyed...

It came back to fashion now...

And will aslo be destroyed..

So what does that tell you...

I remember a drwaing about a wife and husband standing by the sink...the wife said ...

Our boys have just seen BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN...Cowboys,,and they are roleplaying..

Refereing to the brothers kissing and groping one another..

All i cna say is,,why do you think the Gov has age limits for certain Shows..

INAPPROPRIATE..

Yeah, i know.

[wilberhum]

20 years ago, gays were unheard of

Hugh? What an astounding display of lock of knowledge. :?

[mohammed farah]

Hugh? What an astounding display of lock of knowledge. :?

meant to say 30 years ago, you meant to say huh not hugh which is a name.

[strider]

meant to say 30 years ago, you meant to say huh not hugh which is a name.

Again, you would be wrong to say that too.

[wilberhum]

meant to say 30 years ago, you meant to say huh not hugh which is a name.

Wow, you just proved my point. Thanks. :D

[Keltoi]

Salaam,

Homesexuality is here to stay ...and so we must embrace it..

Rape occurs every 3 minutes in the US ...so it is here to stay.,,we should embrace it..

Stealing happen every 2 second worldwide,,we should embrace it..

So what is common and will be popular must be emrbaced...

So may i ask,,Since Islam is popular why dont you embrace Islam?

Do you always follow the pupolusit movement contrary to what your reliogn teaches,or do you make up what to follow and what nopt to follow?

I didn't suggest you had to become a homosexual...I stated that homosexuality isn't going anywhere, one can either accept its existence and try to move on with their lives, or you can go around killing all homosexuals. Which would you choose?

[mohammed farah]

Wow, you just proved my point. Thanks. :D

so your telling me 30 years ago gays were treated like they are treated now.

[mohammed farah]

Again, you would be wrong to say that too.

and how would i be wrong to say that

[Keltoi]

so your telling me 30 years ago gays were treated like they are treated now.

Exactly what treatment are you referring to?

[mohammed farah]

gays would be called names and be abused by the public if they knew he or she was gay and the police would'nt do anything about it. there was anti-gay slogans cathprases such as the term faggot and so on

[Keltoi]

gays would be called names and be abused by the public if they knew he or she was gay and the police would'nt do anything about it. there was anti-gay slogans cathprases such as the term faggot and so on

As opposed to what? These treatments you have just described still exist.

[mohammed farah]

AIDS as a gay disease

A common theme of anti-gay slogans is that AIDS is a gay disease which is somehow deserved. One example is the slogan "AIDS Kills Fags Dead", a parody of the advertising slogan "Raid: Kills Bugs Dead", the tagline used in television advertising for the SC Johnson insecticide. It thus implicitly identifies gay men with vermin fit for extermination.

The slogan appeared during the early years of AIDS in the United States, when the disease was mainly diagnosed among male homosexuals and was almost invariably fatal. The slogan caught on quickly as a catchy truism, a chant, or simply something written as graffiti. It is reported that the slogan first appeared in public in the early 1990s, when Sebastian Bach, lead singer of the heavy metal band Skid Row, wore it on a t-shirt. [10] A variant of this is "AIDS cures fags", a role reversal which makes homosexuality the disease and the inevitable death from AIDS the "cure".

The phrase has been used by religious opponents of homosexuality. It was for example seen in 1998 at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, a victim of anti-gay violence, when a group led by Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church staged a protest.

Data from the Center for Disease Control show that among males in the United States 56.8 percent of those cases are likely to have contracted the condition through homosexual sex.[11] Worldwide, however, the epidemic has touched primarily people engaged in opposite-sex behaviors, and medical evidence indicates the disease is propagated not because the sex of the partner is the same as one's own, but as a result of unhygienic sexual behaviors (such as unprotected relations with multiple partners concurrent with an absence of protective techniques). Large numbers of straight women who are HIV positive were in monogamous relationships with their husbands, but were infected due to their husbands' infidelity or I.V. drug use. HIV is most commonly transmitted through direct contact with blood. AIDS often enters the body though infected semen coming in contact with the blood of another individual. Some practices, such as anal sex, are particularly prone to transmit HIV.

[mohammed farah]

As opposed to what? These treatments you have just described still exist.

not as much as they used back then

[strider]

AIDS as a gay disease

A common theme of anti-gay slogans is that AIDS is a gay disease which is somehow deserved. One example is the slogan "AIDS Kills Fags Dead", a parody of the advertising slogan "Raid: Kills Bugs Dead", the tagline used in television advertising for the SC Johnson insecticide. It thus implicitly identifies gay men with vermin fit for extermination.

The slogan appeared during the early years of AIDS in the United States, when the disease was mainly diagnosed among male homosexuals and was almost invariably fatal. The slogan caught on quickly as a catchy truism, a chant, or simply something written as graffiti. It is reported that the slogan first appeared in public in the early 1990s, when Sebastian Bach, lead singer of the heavy metal band Skid Row, wore it on a t-shirt. [10] A variant of this is "AIDS cures fags", a role reversal which makes homosexuality the disease and the inevitable death from AIDS the "cure".

The phrase has been used by religious opponents of homosexuality. It was for example seen in 1998 at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, a victim of anti-gay violence, when a group led by Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church staged a protest.

Data from the Center for Disease Control show that among males in the United States 56.8 percent of those cases are likely to have contracted the condition through homosexual sex.[11] Worldwide, however, the epidemic has touched primarily people engaged in opposite-sex behaviors, and medical evidence indicates the disease is propagated not because the sex of the partner is the same as one's own, but as a result of unhygienic sexual behaviors (such as unprotected relations with multiple partners concurrent with an absence of protective techniques). Large numbers of straight women who are HIV positive were in monogamous relationships with their husbands, but were infected due to their husbands' infidelity or I.V. drug use. HIV is most commonly transmitted through direct contact with blood. AIDS often enters the body though infected semen coming in contact with the blood of another individual. Some practices, such as anal sex, are particularly prone to transmit HIV.

Do you stand in support of such slogans? If so, you could do well in re-reading the last paragraph.

[czgibson]

Greetings,

either yuo dislike them or like them, but remember i did not say i hate them i just cant stand them 2 completly diferent things

What you haven't said would appear to be irrelevant. You're clearly filled with hatred for homosexuals, as anyone reading your posts can see.

20 years ago, gays were unheard of

Now you've demonstrated that you're ignorant too. Homosexuality has been around for millennia. It was the most popular form of sexual intercourse for men in Ancient Greece, for example.

Peace

[mohammed farah]

Greetings,


What you haven't said would appear to be irrelevant. You're clearly filled with hatred for homosexuals, as anyone reading your posts can see.



Now you've demonstrated that you're ignorant too. Homosexuality has been around for millennia. It was the most popular form of sexual intercourse for men in Ancient Greece, for example.

Peace

yes and like someone said it was destryoed,

[mohammed farah]

Greetings,


What you haven't said would appear to be irrelevant. You're clearly filled with hatred for homosexuals, as anyone reading your posts can see.



Now you've demonstrated that you're ignorant too. Homosexuality has been around for millennia. It was the most popular form of sexual intercourse for men in Ancient Greece, for example.

Peace

during the medival times and tudor and the victorians was Homosexuality the norm,i think not.

[Zulkiflim]

I didn't suggest you had to become a homosexual...I stated that homosexuality isn't going anywhere, one can either accept its existence and try to move on with their lives, or you can go around killing all homosexuals. Which would you choose?

Salaam,

Isnt it clear,

homesexuals are aharm and anyone caught in this perverted act should be punished.

May i ask ,how about you...

Which will you choose,,the populist movement or the right thing?

[czgibson]

Greetings,

yes and like someone said it was destryoed,

How is that relevant to people's sexuality? Lots of civilisations have ended. Not all of them had prominent homosexuality.

What I'm trying to spell out for you here is that there is no connection between the two things.

during the medival times and tudor and the victorians was Homosexuality the norm,i think not.

Did anybody say that?

You are a master of the irrelevant, I have to say.

Peace

[wilberhum]

Which will you choose,,the populist movement or the right thing?

You don't like gays! Don't be one.
You do as you wish. You make your decisions. They have the right to make there choices.

Who should punish those perverts?

[mohammed farah]

You don't like gays! Don't be one.
You do as you wish. You make your decisions. They have the right to make there choices.

Who should punish those perverts?

of course they have the right to make theyr own choice but i too have choice in either liking them or disliking and i choose to dislike them.

[Pygoscelis]

mohammed farah, its ok, we understand you. Many people have bigotries. Some people dislike muslims. You dislike homosexuals. Both are irrational and unfortunate but both will go on.

[sameer]

where are the christians and the christianity view of homosexuality?

[AvarAllahNoor]

Sex Education should be left until 12/13

[Keltoi]

where are the christians and the christianity view of homosexuality?

As a Christian I believe homosexuality to be sinful. However, I don't plan on becoming a homosexual, so that lifestyle doesn't affect me one way or the other. I understand parents being concerned about this issue because they feel they are losing control of their child's upbringing. Think about it though, children will be bombarded with sexual imagery of all kinds on the television and even at school. There is really no way to escape that reality now.

[mohammed farah]

Sex Education should be left until 12/13

i agree

[sameer]

As a Christian I believe homosexuality to be sinful. However, I don't plan on becoming a homosexual, so that lifestyle doesn't affect me one way or the other. I understand parents being concerned about this issue because they feel they are losing control of their child's upbringing. Think about it though, children will be bombarded with sexual imagery of all kinds on the television and even at school. There is really no way to escape that reality now.

Ok, so as a christian u agree its sinful and u must also agree that sodom was destroyed specifically because of homosexuality. Are u not scared that it may be repeated?

SO just because u dont plan on becomming homosexual, do u not care if others around you are openly commiting sins around you? What about your kids having sleep overs by friends whose parents are openly gay? Arent u concerned about the influence that may be upon them?

The reason children are bombarded by theses sexual things on tv is beacuse the parents sit by and remain quiet or try to be politically correct instead of speaking what they believe to be the truth. If parents stop their kids from watching certain shows then how would they be exposed to it from TV? How would the shows survive if there are no viewers?

What I am saying, is y dont the christian parents stand up and act upon their beliefs that fornication and homosexuality is a grave sin instead of sitting quietly and pretending that it no problem once they dont do it ?
Isnt that a bit selfish? If u claim to follow the correct path and u know its a sin, then u should try as best as possible to convince the other people around you that it is a sin and should not and never will be accepted.

Reality is based upon yours and mine and others actions, so do u choose to do nothing and accept the reality of sodom's society as opposed to trying to encourage and bring about prophets Lot teachings?

[Woodrow]

The fact that there seems to be a need for sexual education to be taught in the schools is a strong indication that parents are failing at home.

At one time the schools were designed to teach academics. The teaching of morality was the role of religious mentors and parents.

The fact that this is even being taught in schools shows that there is a much bigger issue at hand. Parents are not spending enough time with their children. We need to go back to square one and restore parenthood to parents.

When parents fail to function as parents, society will step in and develop a committee form of education, Which means a form of education that is designed for the best interest of all, but in reality serves the best interest of none.

Why have the parents failed, in that they have allowed the state to take on the responsibility and the need to teach children sexual behavior.

[mohammed farah]

Ok, so as a christian u agree its sinful and u must also agree that sodom was destroyed specifically because of homosexuality. Are u not scared that it may be repeated?

SO just because u dont plan on becomming homosexual, do u not care if others around you are openly commiting sins around you? What about your kids having sleep overs by friends whose parents are openly gay? Arent u concerned about the influence that may be upon them?

The reason children are bombarded by theses sexual things on tv is beacuse the parents sit by and remain quiet or try to be politically correct instead of speaking what they believe to be the truth. If parents stop their kids from watching certain shows then how would they be exposed to it from TV? How would the shows survive if there are no viewers?

What I am saying, is y dont the christian parents stand up and act upon their beliefs that fornication and homosexuality is a grave sin instead of sitting quietly and pretending that it no problem once they dont do it ?
Isnt that a bit selfish? If u claim to follow the correct path and u know its a sin, then u should try as best as possible to convince the other people around you that it is a sin and should not and never will be accepted.

Reality is based upon yours and mine and others actions, so do u choose to do nothing and accept the reality of sodom's society as opposed to trying to encourage and bring about prophets Lot teachings?

finally someone who has sense

[Muezzin]

I think children should be made formally aware of homosexuality during sex education lessons, which they receive in their teenage years (at least, that was the case in my secondary school). No doubt I will be called homophobic now.

Realistically, kids will probably learn what homosexuality is before their teens. Kids also have an informal sex education before this due to dirty-minded peers. That doesn't mean schools should start teaching either subject to prepubescent children though.

[sameer]

The fact that there seems to be a need for sexual education to be taught in the schools is a strong indication that parents are failing at home.

At one time the schools were designed to teach academics. The teaching of morality was the role of religious mentors and parents.

The fact that this is even being taught in schools shows that there is a much bigger issue at hand. Parents are not spending enough time with their children. We need to go back to square one and restore parenthood to parents.

When parents fail to function as parents, society will step in and develop a committee form of education, Which means a form of education that is designed for the best interest of all, but in reality serves the best interest of none.

Why have the parents failed, in that they have allowed the state to take on the responsibility and the need to teach children sexual behavior.

Because parents has decided to chase their love of big houses and TVs and fancy cars rather than spend some time at home to raise their children and teach/ educate them. I am speaking about those muslim and non muslim parents who both work even though they can afford to have one of them stay home.
Imagine some of them view there children as burdens and are actually glad to get rid of them by going to work and leaving them with some strange person down the street for the day.

I know there are instances where both parents need to work just to survive, but they should at least try to spend some time with their children teaching and enjoying things with them.

Maybe the state should pay a parent to stay home and raise their child?

[Woodrow]

:sl:

Maybe the state should pay a parent to stay home and raise their child?

In a round about way that is now being done here in the States. It is not a direct pay, but is called Earned income credit for low income families that can not survive on the income of one parent.

Also here there is getting to be a big push for home schooling. This is getting to be a growing trend here. My oldest Daughter is home schooling her 7 youngest Children. Right now I am trying to get certified in Texas to Home School my youngest daughters youngest kids.

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[Zulkiflim]

As a Christian I believe homosexuality to be sinful. However, I don't plan on becoming a homosexual, so that lifestyle doesn't affect me one way or the other. I understand parents being concerned about this issue because they feel they are losing control of their child's upbringing. Think about it though, children will be bombarded with sexual imagery of all kinds on the television and even at school. There is really no way to escape that reality now.

Salaam,

The question is..do you keep your faitha dn your covenant or do you become subservient to the norm?


It is nor radicalism nor extremism....it is just your own religon laws..

I guess as a muslim,that is why even tho we love the Judaist and Chrisitan we are find thier innovation repugnant..

[Keltoi]

Salaam,

The question is..do you keep your faitha dn your covenant or do you become subservient to the norm?


It is nor radicalism nor extremism....it is just your own religon laws..

I guess as a muslim,that is why even tho we love the Judaist and Chrisitan we are find thier innovation repugnant..

Jesus Christ never instructed us to persecute anyone. I live in a secular country, not a theocracy, and I don't wish to live in a theocracy. While I find homosexuality to be morally repugnant, that doesn't give me the right to persecute them or punish them for their private sexual behavior. My relationship with God isn't going to be hindered because I choose not to persecute people.

[sameer]

Jesus Christ never instructed us to persecute anyone. I live in a secular country, not a theocracy, and I don't wish to live in a theocracy. While I find homosexuality to be morally repugnant, that doesn't give me the right to persecute them or punish them for their private sexual behavior. My relationship with God isn't going to be hindered because I choose not to persecute people.

How can it be private if they are forcing my children to learn about it as if it was normal behavior? and by forcing me to promote them in my magazines?

If u follow your line of thought, then one shouldn't persecute or prosecute child molesters, rapists, murderers, terrorists etc?

[wilberhum]

How can it be private if they are forcing my children to learn about it as if it was normal behavior? and by forcing me to promote them in my magazines?

If u follow your line of thought, then one shouldn't persecute or prosecute child molesters, rapists, murderers, terrorists etc?

So you concider learning a bad thing. Oh well, to each his own.
It is a normaly occuring behavior. Like or not.
How are you FORCED to Promote them?

[sameer]

So you concider learning a bad thing. Oh well, to each his own.
It is a normaly occuring behavior. Like or not.
How are you FORCED to Promote them?

I was speaking to a christian/christians who like me - (a muslim) consider it to be a grave sin.

BTW i noticed u did not respond to the other part of my post. and since murder numbers are so high in the world, then i guess that is normal behavior also?

[wilberhum]

I was speaking to a christian/christians who like me - (a muslim) consider it to be a grave sin.

BTW i noticed u did not respond to the other part of my post. and since murder numbers are so high in the world, then i guess that is normal behavior also?

The government has every right to punish those that break “Civil Laws”.
God has every right to punish those that break “god’s laws”.
You have no right to punish those who break either law.

[Trumble]

BTW i noticed u did not respond to the other part of my post. and since murder numbers are so high in the world, then i guess that is normal behavior also?

Murder results in harm to fellow beings, as does rape, robbery, etc. Consensual gay sex between consenting adults does not (I do not consider moral 'outrage' regarding the behaviour of others whether motivated by religion or simple bigotism as constituting 'harm').

Define 'normal', anyway. The vast majority of people in the world do not, for example, read classical Greek literature for a hobby. Does that make those who do 'abnormal'? Should they stop reading it because some people think they are? Throughout human history, sadly, murder has been quite 'normal' in that it has happened frequently. That does not mean it is acceptable, of course. But it is that whole normal/acceptable, 'abnormal'/unacceptable assumption that is the problem, here.

Acknowledging that homosexuality exists does not mean that that acknowledgement automatically must 'promote' it as a preferred choice. This won't 'turn' any kids gay, but it may just help those who turn out to be to handle it and accept it without some of the grief the prejudiced wish to pile on them. Their morality will be their choice; it's not up to others to choose it for them.