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mohammed farah
03-23-2007, 03:59 PM
Fifteen British Navy personnel have been captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces, the Ministry of Defence says.
The men were seized at 1030 local time when they boarded a boat in the Gulf, off the coast of Iraq, which they suspected was smuggling cars.

The Royal Navy said the men, who were on a routine patrol in Iraqi waters, were understood to be unharmed.

The Foreign Office has demanded the immediate and safe return of the men, who are based on HMS Cornwall.

The frigate's commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, said he was hoping there had been a "simple mistake" over territorial waters.

"There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they [British personnel] were in Iraqi territorial waters. Equally, the Iranians may claim they were in Iranian territorial waters.



"We may well find that this is a simple misunderstanding at the tactical level."

Helicopters had reported seeing two British boats being moved along the Shatt al-Arab waterway to Iranian bases and there had been no evidence of fighting, he added.

He said that despite scant communication, the 15 people were understood to be safe and had reacted in an "extremely professional way, in line with the rules of engagement".

"I look forward to seeing them on their return and congratulating them."

He said naval authorities were doing everything possible to ensure their safe return.

A Royal Navy spokesman at the ship's base in Devonport, Devon, said the families of those captured were not being informed yet, as they were all over Britain, and some may be on holiday.

The Ministry of Defence said: "The group boarding party had completed a successful inspection of a merchant ship when they and their two boats were surrounded and escorted by Iranian vessels into Iranian territorial waters.

"We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level.

"The British government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."

The Iranian ambassador in London, Rasoul Movahedian, has met with officials at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, after he was called there by Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett.

There has been no immediate response so far from Iran, where many ministries and official buildings were closed for a public holiday.

Shadow foreign secretary William Hague and Sir Menzies Campbell, leader of the Liberal Democrats, have both backed the call for the group's immediate and safe return.


The incident comes at a time of renewed tensions with Iran over its nuclear programme, which Western powers fear could be used to develop a nuclear weapon.

British Army Colonel Justin Maciejewski, who is based in Iraq, said most of the violence against UK forces in Basra is being engineered by Iranian elements.

Col Maciejewski said Iran was providing "sophisticated weaponry" to insurgents and "Iranian agents" were paying local men to attack British troops.

Iranian officials have in the past denied such claims.

In 2004, Iran detained eight British servicemen for three days after they allegedly strayed over the maritime border.

The UK claimed the men were "forcibly escorted" into Iranian territorial waters.

While they were being held, the men were paraded blindfold and made to apologise on Iranian TV before their release was agreed.

The BBC's diplomatic correspondent James Robbins said the difference this time is that the present Iranian government under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was much more hardline.

"The political climate is worse with Britain among those confronting Iran over its controversial nuclear programme," he added.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6484279.stm
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AvarAllahNoor
03-24-2007, 01:43 PM
Reports say 15 Royal Navy personnel seized at gunpoint in the Gulf by Iranian forces have been transferred to Tehran.

UK diplomats seeking an end to the dispute over the seizure have called for their immediate release.

The eight sailors and seven marines, who had been carrying out routine duties, are thought to be unharmed.

Source BBC

If the UK soldiers detained by Iran should be returned, then so should the Iranian liaison employees detained by the US on Jan 11th this year, whose fate still remains unknown.

Bet then again, recent events have shown that there are two sets of laws, one of which applies to people we like, and the other which applies to those we don't.

Some are saying this is a declaration of war. WELL BRING IT ON. OR RELEASE THE IRANIANS HELD FIRST!

Gur Fateh!
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tomtomsmom
03-24-2007, 01:50 PM
Can you please link to the story?
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SATalha
03-24-2007, 04:56 PM
When i first heard the report on the BBC, they where describing the incident as a kidnapping. I think not! Imagine if it was 15 iranian soldiers that where captured on british seas. What will it be deemed as. Surely Iran has the right to arrest these soldiers? What do you think?
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omar_2133
03-24-2007, 05:22 PM
This isn't something new. A similar incident occured in 2004, and more recently in August 2006 over a dispute over the Romanian Oil Rig. I suppose the Mullahs are pretty touchy about who is in their waters.
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England
03-24-2007, 05:46 PM
It's clearly provocation... military action is definately on the cards.
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AvarAllahNoor
03-24-2007, 06:37 PM
Repeat post
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AvarAllahNoor
03-24-2007, 06:38 PM
Haha - It's named ''THE PERSIAN GULF'' for a reason. You go snooping, you get caught. Simple. Wonder if they'll be paraded on TV like lastime.....:p
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England
03-24-2007, 06:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Haha - It's named ''THE PERSIAN GULF'' for a reason. You go snooping, you get caught. Simple. Wonder if they'll be paraded on TV like lastime.....:p
Like last time??
It's Iraqi waters they grabbed them from.. If anything happens to them they will be punished. If they aren't let go soon then I bet you a tenner the SAS will be in there.
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Trumble
03-24-2007, 06:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Haha - It's named ''THE PERSIAN GULF'' for a reason. You go snooping, you get caught. Simple. Wonder if they'll be paraded on TV like lastime.....:p
They were inspecting a ship suspected of smuggling in Iraqi waters, as authorised by the UN mandate. The Iranians are just stirring up trouble again.


format_quote Originally Posted by England
I bet you a tenner the SAS will be in there.
No chance. Far too risky (remember the fiasco when Delta tried it?) and for minimal reward. The Iranians will no doubt wish to parade them on TV and such for the benefit of the west-haters watching Al Jazeera, but they'll let them go eventually. Maybe they are gunning for the release of some of their agen.. sorry, 'diplomats', caught supporting Shi'a terrorist groups in Iraq.

The worry I have is what will happen in future. I have little doubt the sailors were under orders not to provoke trouble (they aren't there to start a war with Iran), but it wouldn't surprise me if it was made clear in no uncertain terms to the Iranians that next time they try such a stunt the bullets are likely to start flying.
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Umar001
03-24-2007, 07:10 PM
I think I heard on the news that the soldiers confessed being in Iran??

Did they?
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afriend
03-24-2007, 07:24 PM
:sl:

Tut...they should have read the sign :rollseyes....they even spelt survivers wrong...

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Trumble
03-24-2007, 07:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi
I think I heard on the news that the soldiers confessed being in Iran??

Did they?
Apparently an Iranian general "claims" that they admitted to being in Iranian territorial waters. Not quite the same thing!

BBC
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afriend
03-24-2007, 07:32 PM
:sl:

Ok, on a more serious note, if it was Iranian waters then they have the right to take these marines in. It's the law of the land and it doesn't matter who you are, or what country you serve. You break the law you have to pay the debt.

My two cents.

:w:
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Woodrow
03-24-2007, 07:37 PM
I have searched through the Iranian online Newpapers and there is no mention of the story in any of them.


http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/iran.htm
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afriend
03-24-2007, 07:44 PM
:sl:

censorship is a common practice in Iran...The government controls everything!

:w:
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SATalha
03-24-2007, 08:06 PM
The Bbc described it as a kidnapping. Ha wat a joke, if it was 15 iranian soldiers on the ports of dover, i wonder wat wud happen
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England
03-24-2007, 08:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha
The Bbc described it as a kidnapping. Ha wat a joke, if it was 15 iranian soldiers on the ports of dover, i wonder wat wud happen
But it wasn't... If it was 15 Iranian soldiers in the French waters then we would do nothing. Not our territory, not our problem.
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Trumble
03-24-2007, 08:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Iqram
:sl:

Ok, on a more serious note, if it was Iranian waters then they have the right to take these marines in. It's the law of the land and it doesn't matter who you are, or what country you serve. You break the law you have to pay the debt.
Quite true, if it was Iranian waters. If it wasn't, I take it you would agree that the Iranian state has broken that law, and is guilty of both piracy and kidnapping?

BTW, I see that the UN Security Council has unanimously agreed to further sanctions against Iran for refusing to cease their nuclear enrichment program.
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SATalha
03-24-2007, 08:19 PM
Hold on where they on iranian waterz?
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Woodrow
03-24-2007, 08:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha
The Bbc described it as a kidnapping. Ha wat a joke, if it was 15 iranian soldiers on the ports of dover, i wonder wat wud happen
The whole thing will determine on if they were in International, Iraqi or Iranian waters.


It is a bit unusual that Iran would choose this moment to do anything. They are right in the middle of a huge auction trying to sell oil to the major oil companies. It won't be good business practice if they don't put on their pretty faces to impress the oil corporations. They may want to get paid for what they have already sold before they get their customers upset.


Four oil giants purchase tender documents for 17 of Iran’s blocks

Tehran Times Economic Desk
TEHRAN — Four big oil companies purchased the tender documents of 17 oil blocks in Iran, said National Iranian Oil Company’s (NIOC) exploration manager here on Friday.

Of over 30 domestic and foreign bidders, four oil companies bought the documents, Hossein Roshandel told the Mehr News Agency (MNA).

He declined to directly name the purchasers, however adding the Anglo-Dutch Shell, France’s Total, Brazil’s Petrobras and Malaysia’s Petronas, Spain’s Repsol, and Austria’s OMV were among the bidders.

The blocks’ names were not disclosed, either.

The 17 blocks were introduced to international oil companies in a two-day conference in Vienna early Feb., of which 5 are offshore and 12 are onshore.

The blocks are scattered in 9 provinces in a 129,000km area.

The whole blocks attract investments worth at least €46 million.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Descripti...&Cat=9&Num=029
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AvarAllahNoor
03-25-2007, 01:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
They were inspecting a ship suspected of smuggling in Iraqi waters, as authorised by the UN mandate. The Iranians are just stirring up trouble again.
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Well makes a change from Dubya stirring up trouble don't it eh.

BTW - UN have no credibilty, who are they exactly? They couldnt stop an illegal invasion in Iraq could they.
:rollseyes
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AvarAllahNoor
03-25-2007, 01:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
The whole thing will determine on if they were in International, Iraqi or Iranian waters.


It is a bit unusual that Iran would choose this moment to do anything. They are right in the middle of a huge auction trying to sell oil to the major oil companies.
Well im not a fan of india (Just the Panjab) but, they have stated they will go ahead with the seven billion oil purchase it has with Iran. And won't be dictated to by others. Not sure if they are true to their word though. Blaaddy indians.....
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Akil
03-29-2007, 11:21 PM
I don't understand Iran's thinking in this. I think the world would be more sympathetic to Iran if they took Americans, or at least British coalition forces. But these Brits were working for the UN.

Anyone want an example of how Iran is unstable and irratic, there we are.
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