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Uthman
04-02-2007, 03:19 PM
Islam, a Religion of Violence?
By Dinesh D'Souza
Monday, April 2, 2007

Confronted with fanatical Muslims who seem bent on corroborating the worst accusations against their religion, we in the West seem justified in upholding Samuel Huntington's famous thesis of a "clash of civilizations." From the Danish cartoon controversy to the reaction to the Pope's Regensburg address, we seem to be witnessing a virtually unbridgeable abyss between Western principles and Islamic principles. We believe in free speech, and they don't. We believe in reason and pluralism, and they believe in violence.


This way of portraying the Muslim world, however, suffers from two serious flaws. First, it is tactically foolish. This becomes obvious when we recognize that there is a second clash of civilizations, and it is within the Muslim world. The Muslim world is divided between traditional Muslims and radical Muslims. The traditional Muslims are the majority, but the radical Muslims are an influential minority and their numbers are growing. For the past few decades the radical Muslims have been actively recruiting members from the traditional Muslim population. In some parts of the Muslim world, we have seen the Islamic radicals grow so strong that they are in a position to win elections.


What this means is that no victory is possible in the war against terrorism without stopping the growth of radical Islam. No strategy can work that fails to stem the tide of conversions from traditional Islam to radical Islam. No matter how many Islamic radicals we kill, the strength of radical Islam is undiminished if it is capable of replenishing its numbers with traditional Muslim recruits. Consequently America should make it a central element of its strategy to drive a wedge between traditional Islam and radical Islam. If we can find common ground with traditional Muslims, we can deter them from flocking to the radical camp.


Attacks on the Muslim religion as violent, or attacks on the Prophet Muhammad as a forerunner of Islamic terrorism, are counterproductive because they have the predictable effect of unifying traditional Muslims and radical Muslims. How can traditional Muslims be expected to show any sympathy toward assaults on their most sacred beliefs and the founder of their way of life? Even if true, such accusations should not be made publicly because their effect is likely to strengthen the worst elements in Islam and make terrorism worse.


But is the claim that Islam is inherently violent true? Is Islam, in fact, a religion of the sword that cannot be integrated into a modern world that values reason, tolerance, and pluralism? While Christianity began in defeat, with a Christ on the cross and the early Christians hounded and persecuted, Islam began in victory and conquest. Historically, there is no doubt that the Islamic empire was established by the sword- but so was later Christendom. If I may use the Pope's language, however, this should not be considered a mortal sin. Rome was founded by conquest, as was America. The state of Israel too, to take a more recent example, was founded by the sword.


Islam's origins do not justify the conclusion that it is a religion that makes no provision for tolerance or pluralism. Islam has, from the beginning, made a distinction between conquering land and bringing it under the rule of Islamic law—this is allowed—and forcibly converting people to Islam—this is not allowed. The Koran itself insists that "there is no compulsion in religion." I realize that many people bandy about quotations from the Koran about "slaying the infidels" and so on, but these quotations generally apply only to pagans, not to Jews and Christians. As monotheists, Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their religion in every Islamic empire, from the Abbasid dynasty to the Mongol empire to the Ottomans.


When the Muslims ruled northern India for centuries, they could easily have forced all the Hindus to convert on pain of death, but they didn't. India remains overwhelmingly Hindu, a tribute to Islamic and later British tolerance. In the medieval period, Islamic tolerance contrasts favorably with Christian intolerance. In the fifteenth century, Jews were attending synagogues in Muslim regimes while Christian rulers in Spain gave them three choices: leave the country, convert to Christianity, or be killed! Many Jews fled to Muslim countries where they could continue to practice Judaism. The Pope made no mention of these facts in his Regensburg speech.


Let us remember that Islam has been around since the eighth century, while Islamic terrorism is a phenomenon of the past 25 years. Consequently it is wrong to blame Muhammad, the Koran, or the Muslim religion for something that is clearly a recent phenomenon. The real question to ask is, what is it about Islam today that makes it an incubator of fanaticism and terrorism? Why is it that now, as never before, so many people are willing to kill and be killed in the name of Allah? These are questions I address in my recent book The Enemy At Home.


The Pope seems to have realized his mistake. He hasn't taken back his words, but he has changed his tune. He has subsequently met with prominent Muslim leaders in Turkey and emphasized the common ground between Christianity and Islam. He has called for mutual respect and better understanding between the two religions. Unfortunately there are many people, both on the left and the right, who continue to blame Islam for the sins of Islamic radicalism. These people are not only mistaken, they are strengthening the cause of Bin Laden and his allies and making the war on terrorism harder for us to win.

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/D...on_of_violence
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MTAFFI
04-02-2007, 09:09 PM
Very good article, I wish someone could come up with a definite way to drive a wedge between these "two types of Islam", it would be great to get rid of the fanatics and live peacefully with the "traditionals", there is probably a lot of benefit that could be received on both ends
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Philosopher
04-02-2007, 10:49 PM
Dinesh D'Souza is a radical Christian who wants the elimination of Islam. He once dated Ann Coulter as well.
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Khan-Ghalgha
04-03-2007, 01:39 AM
Osman could you explain the difference between so called "radical islam" and "traditional islam"? And please not by using general statements, like - "it's violent and wrong", I would like to see some concrete evidence, like aqeeda of radical Islam, their fatwa's and such.
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Darkseid
04-03-2007, 03:26 AM
Radicals give Islam a bad name. Same thing happened with christianity.
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north_malaysian
04-03-2007, 07:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Darkseid
Radicals give Islam a bad name. Same thing happened with christianity.
...............and judaism, and buddhism, and satanism etc....

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Uthman
04-03-2007, 08:23 AM
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format_quote Originally Posted by Khan-Ghalgha
Osman could you explain the difference between so called "radical islam" and "traditional islam"? And please not by using general statements, like - "it's violent and wrong", I would like to see some concrete evidence, like aqeeda of radical Islam, their fatwa's and such.

See, I actually disagree with these two terms. At the end of the day, Islam is Islam. But there are radical Muslims and traditional Muslims. I believe radical Muslims are those who twist the meanings of verses from the Qur'an and statements from ahadith to suit their cause. For instance, verse 2:228 of the Qur'an tells us that men and women have rights over each other, but men are a degree above women. Of course, this degree refers to a degree of responsibility over women but the Taliban, for instance, took this verse quite literally and you saw what happened then.

Elsewhere, Islam tells us that when our religion is under attack, it is permissible to fight back. 'Radical' Muslims completely ignore the context of this as well as the fact that women and children are not to be harmed and we see events like 9/11 and 7/7 happen.

Please see the following thread for further details: http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...out-islam.html

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Erundur
04-03-2007, 02:26 PM
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1. If fundamentalism means to follow the fundamental teachings of Islam, then every Muslim is a fundamentalist. But to be fanatical, to be dogmatic and to be radical is against the teachings of Islam.

2. Islam condemns any person who is fanatical, or extremist. Islam insists on moderation and tolerance towards one another and especially towards non-Muslims. (The Holy Quran, [2:143] and [22:40])

3. Islam instructed Muslims to call upon People of the Book to come together and live peacefully with the Muslims. (The Holy Quran, [3:64] and [29:46])

4. Islam praised those People of the Book who are honest, sincere, faithful and God-fearing. (The Holy Quran, [3:113])

5. Muslims are to respect People of the Book, honour them, to protect them, and to encourage them to live with moral teachings of their Books.

6. In some Muslim countries we see groups, movements and individuals committing acts of terrorism and acts of fanaticism. Such acts have nothing to do with Islam. The individuals are to be blamed.

7. It is understood that Muslims in different parts of the world did not have a chance to practise a democratic way of life. They have self-imposed leaders who are either dictators, monarchs, feudal or tyrant military rulers. They were self-imposed or were imposed by outside foreign powers. Some of them committed crimes, killings, imprisonments, and they did not respect the rights of their local citizens. Some of the denied freedom of speech and freedom of practising the religious teachings of Islam in its purest form.

8. Most of the Muslims who came to the US from the Muslim world are passive. They don't get involved in politics and they are not vocal. They have lived in America for a number of years and still they are afraid to express their views to non-Muslims. They are afraid to be known as activists. Either they are afraid of losing their jobs or their citizenship. Therefore, they are not in the mainstream of American politics. On the other hand they came from a totalitarian system and they learnt not to express their views to anyone otherwise they will be in trouble.

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