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Chechnya
Depends what way you look like it - in the past 3 weeks alone they have killed more than 40 coalition troops
Where do you get your info? I dont see this as true
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Chechnya
What are you basing that on?
I am basing that on the Chechnyans are not killing each other at exponential rates. If the insurgents were truly fighting for their land and people their wouldnt be so many dead Iraqis. They fight for political reasons or for sectarian reasons, not for land or freedom. All they have to do is stop killing each other and the US would have been gone, if the Chechnyans stopped killing they would just be under Russian rule.
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Chechnya
It may seem like that to you on the outside but with the insurgency showing no signs of slowing, it seems like those in Iraq dont think so - and it certainly seems that the Iraqis dont trust the Americans
I guess it depends where you look, I have seen plenty of Iraqis that are happy about US troops, and the insurgency is slowing or at least moving, look at all those who still live in baghdad, they arent killing anyone, it is groups of people killing not the Iraqis.The insurgents are just as much invaders and as the US and they are the true occupiers because they actually want the land for themselves whereas if the violence stopped the US would very happily hand over all control of the land to the Iraqis.
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Chechnya
Lets not forget that all the pretty words that the US has used in Iraq such as "creating stability", "liberation", "restoring constitutional order" etc. have all been used by the Russians in Chechnya.
Clearly the people in those countries dont see it that way.
Russia is also killing everyone in sight over there as well and not policing the country.
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Chechnya
If victory is achieved, then why not get out?
Because it would be wrong to leave the innocent Iraqis to be slaughtered like that, although at this point I agree, we should just leave, we wont win policing the area and if we dont want to just pull an all out offensive then why stay
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Chechnya
I thought the main objective was to destroy the Wmd's - or was it to kill Saddam - or was it to "liberate" the Iraqis - or was it to kill terrorists...i forget, theres been so many...
Find WMDs mission complete, none found
Saddam and liberate Iraqis was hand in hand, objective complete
Kill terrorist- many have been killed, mission partial complete
Again I will say the only reason the US is still there is because Bush has some personal issue with leaving these people to fend for themselves, but with all the complaining and the image it is projecting for our country, I say let the world see what will happen