format_quote Originally Posted by
Trumble
I don't know. Could any of the Jewish mystics who wrote about seven heavens have known it? Could any of the early Buddhists, who also talked about seven heavens, have known about it? Christians too? They even still have an everyday saying regarding "seventh heaven". Maybe they knew that the modern division is purely arbitrary anyway. 'Seven' in this context ('heavens') was ingrained in the religious thought of man long before Mohammed... as was that of seven earths (65:12). Does Yahya care to explain that one? Or 41:12? If he is right, the stars are in the Troposphere! The verses clearly don't refer to the atmosphere at all; that interpretation creates an inconsistency.
Hi Trumble:
you know how much I believe in co-existence, and how much I regard your different Opinion ... So please when you want to discuss with me don't quote me articles which writen by some one .. forgive me
who
Don't know any thing about Arabic
Now .. what about this verse:
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
"And He created seven skies (heavens) in two days, and taught each sky its duties. And He adorned the nearest sky (or: the sky of this world) with lamps (stars)…"
first of all I want you to know that Arabic is universal language, it's different from English ... in many ways
In Arabic God said " assamaa' aldunia" which translated = nearest sky (or the sky of this world) ...
If you open the vocabulary you can found such meaning for this word "aldunia".
you can found: nearest, lower, some one who you have relation with,
worldly existence (opposite of afterworld) .....
the last one is most popular meaning to this word ,So this verse talk about the worldly heaven in generally with out any definition and I think that this verse should be translated Like that: "And He created seven skies (heavens) in two days, and taught each sky its duties. And He adorned the worldly sky with lamps .." Allah knows best.
I don't said that my opinion is the right One .. but it just a try to understand this verse.
Now.. what about the seven earths? I think Harun yahya can answer you:
THE LAYERS OF THE EARTH
One item of information about the Earth given in the Qur'an is its similarity to the seven-layered sky:
It is Allah Who created the seven heavens and of the earth the same number, the Command descending down through all of them, so that you might know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah encompasses all things in His knowledge. (Qur'an, 65:12)
The information in the above verse is confirmed in scientific sources, wherein it is explained that the Earth consists of seven strata. These, as scientists have identified, are:
1st layer: Lithosphere (water)
2nd layer: Lithosphere (land)
3rd layer: Asthenosphere
4th layer: Upper Mantle
5th layer: Inner Mantle
6th layer: Outer Core
7th layer: Inner Core
The word lithosphere is derived from the Greek word lithos, meaning stone, which is a hard stratum forming the Earth's top layer. It is quite thin in comparison to the other strata. The lithosphere under the oceans is still thinner, and is a region with volcanic activity. Its average thickness is 80 km. It is colder and harder than the other strata, and therefore, forms the earth's shell.
Below the lithosphere is the stratum known as the asthenosphere, from the Greek word for "weak," asthenes. This layer is thinner than the lithosphere and shifts. It was formed of hot, semi-solid substances capable of melting when exposed to high temperatures and pressure over geological time. It is thought that the hard lithosphere floats or moves over the slowly moving asthenosphere.23 Under these layers is a high-temperature layer some 2,900 km thick, made up of semi-solid rock known as the mantle. This contains more iron, magnesium and calcium than the crust, and is also hotter and denser, because temperature and density in the Earth increase with depth.
At the centre of the Earth is the core, approximately twice as dense as the mantle. The reason for that density is that it contains a higher proportion of metals (iron-nickel alloy) than rock. The Earth's core consists of two parts. One is the 2,200 km thick liquid outer core, the other a 1,250 km thick solid inner core. The liquid outer core provides the Earth's magnetic field as the planet rotates.
The truth of this similarity between the sky and the layers of the Earth, only identified by 20th century technology, is without doubt another of the Qur'an's scientific miracles.
format_quote Originally Posted by
Trumble
I have now written my last on this subject (honest!) but I will finish with a final request. Nay, a plea. PLEASE, muslim or not, look further for information on this stuff than Harun Yahya. The man is a charlatan, not a scholar. The 'truth', whatever it may be, cannot be found from less than one half of any story and there are far more sound analyses and intellectually honest views on such 'miracles', even from real muslim scholars (see above)who are convinced by at least some of them. Seek them out.
So be honest and don't answer me .. as you want.
but please don't traduce this man, If you think your self better than him.
" O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: and spy not on each other, nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah, for Allah is Oft- Returning, Most Merciful. "(49:12)
Look Trumble .. Harun yahya was born in Ankara in 1956, He studied arts at Istanbul's Mimar sinan university and philosophy at Istanbul university ...
I know he is not a scientist but what he said is consolidated with proof, If he make mistake that doesn't mean that All his writes are wrong .. he is just a human
every one of the moslems wants to serve his religion, to define it to the other .. we are able to make mistakes because we are ONLY human.
" He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established, clear meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are not entirely clear. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is not clear, seeking discord, and searching for hidden meanings in it, but no one knows its interpretation except Allah.
And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. " (3:7)
take care