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noahs_arc
04-18-2007, 04:31 PM
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may Allah bless upon those who have deceased jannah and its gardens.


i don't know if this is a religious thing or more of a cultural thing..i think it may be the later but anyhow..

when we talk of death we often here about punishments in the grave and how we shall all be resserected on judgement day etc.
but when someone does die the majority of people at the janazah always say oh so and so who has passed away is now with so and so who is also deceseaed.

so does that mean the souls are together and the bosy be's punished?
or the soul is in the body and gets punished?
when we die do we meet other deceased people?

i have tried having these discussions with people who start them but as you can imagine the sitatuation is not one to start debates in.

any comments appreciated.
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- Qatada -
04-18-2007, 05:06 PM
:wasalamex


The trials a person faces in the grave are on the soul:
http://www.islamicboard.com/akhira-h...-distinct.html

The punishment in the hereafter however will be physical [i.e. in the hellfire/paradise the reward will be physical]


When a person dies, two angels will approach them [Munkar & Nakir] and ask them three questions:

Who is your Lord?

Who is your Prophet?

What was your religion?


We know that every prophet came to his people to call them to Islaam [submission to Allaah], so the answer to the first question would be that Allaah is our Lord, Islaam is our religion, and the prophet may differ according to each person. However, since Muhammad (peace be upon him) came for all of mankind, then anyone who is alive after him has to accept him and therefore answer: Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a response to the 2nd question. Whether they are a jew, christian, hindu or whatever, since this is the final Messenger Allaah sent to the world.

A person can only truelly answer these if they really obeyed the Messenger.



If the person was a sinner, they may get punished in their grave. However, this may be an expiation for them so they don't be punished in the hellfire. This is in regard to the believers. For the disbelievers - the end of this life is the beginning to an endless life of sorrow. We seek refuge in Allaah from that.

If the believer answered the questions correctly, then the angels will open a window in their graves. They will say that this is your place in the hellfire, but this is your place now in jannah [the gardens] since you obeyed the Messenger etc.

However, for the disbeliever - they will say that 'i heard the people say so and so, so i went along with it.' - they won't answer the questions properly because they were not true believers in this life, so the angels will open the window of paradise and say that this would have been your place in jannah, but this is your place in the fire. We seek refuge in Allaah from that.


The people in the graves will remain there for as long as Allaah wills, and then the our will be established. The graves will be overturned and some scholars say that a liquid will come down [like rain] - and we will grow back to life [like the plants do when rain is sent.]


On that day every person will be in a state of terror, except those who used to fear this day in this life.

It is) a Day whereon men will be like moths scattered about,

And the mountains will be like carded wool.

Then, he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) heavy,

Will be in a life of good pleasure and satisfaction.

But he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) light,-

Will have his home in a (bottomless) Pit.

And what will explain to thee what this is?

(It is) a Fire Blazing fiercely!


[Qur'an Surah Al Qaar'ia 101]

That Day shall a man flee from his own brother,

And from his mother and his father,

And from his wife and his children.

Each one of them, that Day, will have enough concern (of his own) to make him indifferent to the others.

Some faces that Day will be beaming,

Laughing, rejoicing.

And other faces that Day will be dust-stained,

Blackness will cover them:

Such will be the Rejecters of Allah, the doers of iniquity.


[Qur'an Abasa 80: 34-42]

The people of paradise however will unite with their families, those who joined them in faith.


They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.

And those who believe and whose families follow them in Faith,- to them shall We join their families: Nor shall We deprive them (of the fruit) of aught of their works: (Yet) is each individual in pledge for his deeds.

[Qur'an Tur 52: 20-1]



If the people have proof from Qur'an or Sunnah that the people who pass away can meet each other within the graves, then please ask them to bring it forward. Allaah Almighty knows best.





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Learning
04-18-2007, 07:56 PM
Was also pondering about this topic. Thanks you
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- Qatada -
06-07-2007, 02:49 PM
:salamext:


Alhamdulillah, good news! i think what they said may be true afterall.



Do the dead visit or feel or see one another in their graves?


Question:

I have been wondering for some time now about the condition of the grave. I wanted to know if dead people actually visit or see or feel each other whilst in the grave.


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Yes, it is proven that the souls of the believers meet and visit one another. There follow some of the ahaadeeth which indicate that, as well as some of the fatwas of the scholars on this matter.


It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When the believer is dying, the angels of mercy come to him with white silk and say: ‘Come out content and with the pleasure of Allaah upon you to the mercy of Allaah, fragrance and a Lord Who is not angry.’ So it comes out like the best fragrance of musk. They pass him from one to another until they bring him to the gate of heaven, where they say: ‘How good is this fragrance that has come to you from the earth!’ Then the souls of the believers come to him and they rejoice more over him than any one of you rejoices when his absent loved one comes to him. They ask him: ‘What happened to So and so, what happened to So and so?’ They say: ‘Let him be, for he was in the hardship of the world. When he says, ‘Did he not come here?’ They say: ‘He was taken to the pit (of Hell).’ When the kaafir is dying, the angers of punishment come to him with sackcloth and say: ‘Come out discontent and subject to divine wrath to the punishment of Allaah. So it comes out like the foulest stench of a corpse. They bring him to the gates of the earth, where they say: ‘How foul is this stench!’ Then they bring him to the souls of the kuffaar.”

Narrated by al-Nasaa’i, 1833; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 2758.



Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: Does his soul meet with the souls of his family and relatives? According to the hadeeth narrated from Abu Ayyoob al-Ansaari and others of the salaf, and narrated by Abu Haatim in al-Saheeh from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “When his soul is taken up it is met by the souls who ask him about the living and they say to one another: ‘Let him rest.’ And they say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ And he says: ‘He did a righteous deed.’ They say: ‘What happened to So and so?’ and he says: ‘Has he not come to you?’ They say: ‘No.’ They say: ‘He was taken to the Pit (of Hell).’”


And because the deeds of the living are shown to the dead, Abu’l-Darda’ used to say: “O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from doing any deed that would shame me before ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Rawaahah.” This is how they meet when he comes and they ask him questions and they answer him.

With regard to where they settle, that depends on their status before Allaah. For the one who is among those who are close to Allaah (al-muqarrabeen – cf. al-Waaqi’ah 56:88), his status will be higher than those of the Right Hand (cf. al-Waaqi’ah 56:90). The one who is higher may descend to the one who is lower but the one who is lower cannot ascend to the one who is higher, thus they will gather when Allaah wills as they used to gather in this world, despite their differences in status, and they will visit one another.


That will happen whether their places in which they are buried in this world are far apart or close together. Souls may meet even though their places of burial are far apart, or they may be separated even though their places of burial are close together. A believer may be buried beside a kaafir, but the soul of the former will be in Paradise whilst the soul of the latter is in Hell. Two men may be sitting or sleeping in the same place, but the heart of one is blessed and the heart of the other is tormented, and there is no connection between the two souls. As the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Souls are troops collected together and those who got along with each other (in the heaven from whence they come) would have an affinity with one another (in this world) and those amongst them who opposed each other (in heaven) would also be divergent (in the world).” Narrated by Muslim, 2638; Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 24/368.



Ibn al-Qayyim said:

The second issue is whether the souls of the dead meet one another, visit one another and talk to one another.

This is a good question. The answer is that souls are of two types: those that are punished and those that are blessed. Those that are punished are too preoccupied with the torment that they are facing to visit and meet one another, but the souls that are blessed are free and are not detained, so they meet one another, visit one another and talk about what they used to do in this world and what happened to the people of this world. So each soul will be with its friends who did similar good deeds. The soul of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is with the highest companions. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):


“And whoso obey Allaah and the Messenger (Muhammad), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allaah has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddeeqoon (those followers of the Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As‑Siddeeq), the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!”

[al-Nisa’ 4:69]


This togetherness is confirmed in this world, in al-Barzakh and in the abode of reward (Paradise), and “A man will be with those whom he loves” in these three realms… Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“(It will be said to the pious — believers of Islamic Monotheism): ‘O (you) the one in (complete) rest and satisfaction!


28. ‘Come back to your Lord,— well‑pleased (yourself) and well‑pleasing (unto Him)!


29. ‘Enter you then among My (honoured) slaves,


30. ‘And enter you My Paradise!’”


[al-Fajr 89:27-30]

i.e., enter among them and be one of them. This is said to the soul at the time of death… And Allaah has told us that the martyrs are: “are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:169]; they “rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:170] and “They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allaah” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:171]. This indicates that they will meet one another in three ways: (1) they are with their Lord and are given provision, and if they are alive then they meet one another; (2) they rejoice at the arrival of their brothers and their meeting with them; and (3) the word yastabshiroon (translated as “rejoice”) implies that they pass the good news to one another. Al-Rooh, p. 17, 18.


There are ahaadeeth which state that the dead visit one another and we are commanded to make their shrouds beautiful because of that, but none of these ahaadeeth are saheeh. For example, the hadeeth of Abu Qataadah according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever takes the responsibility of preparing his brother for burial, let him make his shroud beautiful, for they visit one another in them.” Shu’ab al-Eemaan, 7/10.


Its isnaad includes Salam ibn Ibraaheem al-Warraaq whom Ibn Mu’een and al-Dhahabi classed as a liar, as did others.
And Allaah knows best.

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syilla
06-08-2007, 05:55 AM
MashaAllah thank you...

i've been thinking about this but never remember to ask...

can they visit us too?

my friend is asking...is it true every thursday night (the night before friday) is when they usually come and visit.
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S£mmi
06-08-2007, 12:49 PM
thanks that helped me understand a lot..
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- Qatada -
06-08-2007, 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by syilla
MashaAllah thank you...

i've been thinking about this but never remember to ask...

can they visit us too?

my friend is asking...is it true every thursday night (the night before friday) is when they usually come and visit.

:salamext:


I think they can just meet each other sister (the ones who have passed away), but i'm not sure about the thursday thing.


I think it would be a good idea to ask her if there is any hadith about that? Because i have heard this thing too from people, but i havn't ever read any ahadith on it.
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ozzy249
06-08-2007, 08:03 PM
The souls of the dead don't come and visit the living on Thursdays. This is an innovation. There is not evidence of this in the Hadith or Quran.
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09-25-2007, 02:38 PM
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Any daleel brother?
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bewildred
09-25-2007, 07:47 PM
I know I'm off-topic, but can you please answer this query. I really wanna know.

Is the person who died burnt in a car accident in a very far country (China) considered as a Chaheed????

Bewildred S.
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12-12-2007, 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by Muj4h1d4
:salamext:

Any daleel brother?
:salamext:

*bump

Anyone?
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MinAhlilHadeeth
12-14-2007, 08:05 PM
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Sister I think that question needs to be asked to the people who say this. The weight is upon them to supply evidence, since we do not believe in that which is not in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah. Allah knows best.
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