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thc
05-09-2007, 02:18 PM
If one has to kill snails (for MSc research degree) in order to examine infections and this is the only way this research can be done is it allowed in islam?
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AhlaamBella
05-17-2007, 10:41 AM
What on earth? why snails?
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vpb
05-17-2007, 11:35 AM
:sl:

What on earth? why snails?
because he has to do research.
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Musaafirah
05-17-2007, 11:40 AM
Am no sure, on the same note, is it permissible to kill rats in order to perform experiments? (sheesh I sound so inhumane)
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The Ruler
05-17-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by DeepOcean
What on earth? why snails?
because its fun to crush them...the noise is wonderful!...crrr-uunch...sorta

:w:
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vpb
05-17-2007, 06:53 PM
because its fun to crush them...the noise is wonderful!...crrr-uunch...sorta
how about some pitbull biting you? :p:p yeee :D
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tasha>farah
05-20-2007, 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by Amatul Malik
because its fun to crush them...the noise is wonderful!...crrr-uunch...sorta

:w:

thats sick lol

some people actually believe its bad look to kill snails!:rollseyes
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noahs_arc
05-21-2007, 10:32 AM
ewwwww lol one girl i know puts salt on snails and they melt..a slow and painful death tauba astagfar ewwwwwwwwwww
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The Ruler
05-21-2007, 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by noahs_arc
ewwwww lol one girl i know puts salt on snails and they melt..a slow and painful death tauba astagfar ewwwwwwwwwww
ooh! i've tried that one...they sizzle!

:w:
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BanGuLLy
06-05-2007, 02:03 AM
lol THC--->> Smoking weed is haram...
Unless THC means something else to you
I quit smoking weed :)
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The Ruler
06-05-2007, 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by vpb
how about some pitbull biting you? :p:p yeee :D
that'd be great...but i don't allow pitbulls to bit me.

:w:
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.:Umniyah:.
06-12-2007, 10:56 AM
;D lol @ amatul Malik

"crrruuuu-uuunch"


;D;D;D;D
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Malaikah
06-12-2007, 11:00 AM
:sl:

Lets not be cruel to snails here... that is haram...:offended:... they are human too!

As for scientific research, I am sure it is allowed but I don't have the relevant information/proof for you, sorry.
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The Ruler
06-12-2007, 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
Lets not be cruel to snails here... that is haram...:offended:... they are human too!
no they're not...they are from the kingdom of Animalia from the social class of gastropoda. not very human-ic :p

but yeah...i guess its wrong harming them :hmm:...but they're irresistable :-\

:w:
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06-12-2007, 11:44 AM
:salamext:

:lol: Joka..!!
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Ahmed_Asad
06-12-2007, 12:17 PM
This question was asked to noble sheiks but it concernd dissecting frogs so have a read!

Ruling on dissecting frogs for scientific purposes

Question:
Is it permissible to dissect frogs when required for study purposes?
Not dissecting it may result in the student failing that course or being deprived of some credits which may prevent him from among the top students in his class, so he would not get a position as a professor’s assistant in college?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

The ruling on this issue depends on examining two important issues:

Firstly:

The ruling on killing frogs and what the scholars have said about that.

The scholars differed concerning this issue and there are two views:

1 – That it is makrooh. This is the view of the Maaliki madhhab and of some of the Shaafa’is and Hanbalis.

See: al-Tamheed (15/178); Sharh al-‘Umdah by Ibn Taymiyah (3/148).

2 – That it is haraam. This is the view of the Hanafi, Shaafa’i and Hanbali madhhabs, and of Ibn Hazm, and is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah.

See: Mushkil al-Athaar by al-Tahhaawi (2/35); al-Majmoo’ (9/29); al-Mughni (9/338); al-Muhalla (7/225); al-Fataawa al-Kubra (2/139).

The evidence for that is the report narrated from ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him), according to which a doctor asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about using frogs in medicine, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing them.

Narrated by Abu Dawood (5269), classed as saheeh by al-Nawawi in al-Majmoo’ (9/34).

We have already mentioned that this is the favoured view, in the answer to questions no. 1919 and 10220.

Secondly:

If it is necessary to dissect frogs, there is no sin in it in sha Allah. The scholars have ruled that it is permissible to dissect the body of a Muslim for the purposes of criminal investigations or preventative medicine. This has been explained in the answer to question no. 11962.

So it is more likely that it is permissible to dissect the bodies of animals – which are less sacrosanct than humans – for the purpose of scientific research, if there is a need for that.

We have previously quoted fatwas dealing with this. See the answer to question no. 8509.

It should be noted that the student must treat the animals that he is dissecting properly; he should anaesthetize them fully and hasten to kill them as soon as the dissection is over, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has prescribed proficiency in all things, so if you kill, kill well, and if you slaughter, slaughter well. Let one of you sharpen his blade and spare suffering to the animal.” Narrated by Muslim, 1955.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen was asked in Fataawa al-Haram al-Makki (1166):

We are studying in one of the universities in the faculty of science, biology division. During our studies we need to dissect some animals, such as frogs, rats and the like, for the purposes of learning and studying. What is the ruling on these dissections?

He replied:

If there is a need for it, there is nothing wrong with dissection, but he should do something for this animal so that it will not feel any pain at the time of dissection, and he must note that in the case of those animals that are naajis (impure) after death, he has to purify himself of them.

And Allaah knows best.
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Malaikah
06-12-2007, 12:21 PM
:sl:

Jazakaallah khayr. Can you prove the source for that please?
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Ahmed_Asad
06-12-2007, 12:22 PM
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref...ling%20animals
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Muezzin
06-12-2007, 12:33 PM
Originally Posted by Amatul Malik
but they're irresistable :-\

:w:
What are ya, French?

But if this is the absolute only way you can do your research and as long as that research is going to benefit people in some way (rather than killing snails just for the sake of it), I guess it's okay...
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Muslim Knight
06-12-2007, 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Malaikah
:sl:

Lets not be cruel to snails here... that is haram...:offended:... they are human too!
Snails aren't humans! Quit messin' with my head!! :enough!:
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glo
06-13-2007, 06:39 AM
Is it permissable to kill snails to prevent them from eating you lettuces overnight?
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Muezzin
06-13-2007, 09:34 AM
Originally Posted by glo
Is it permissable to kill snails to prevent them from eating you lettuces overnight?
Isn't there some sort of agent you can put on the lettuces to prevent that?

Bear in mind I'm asking this as a real rather than rhetorical question. My fingers are about as green as Tony the Tiger's.
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