Who would you rather be ruled by?

[August]

This came up in another debate and I thought it would be interesting to see what the opinion is around here. Would you rather live in a country ruled by a cruel tyrant of your own religion, or a country ruled by a good leader from another faith? Assuming you have the freedom to practice your religion in either case.

[Umar001]

Well what type of tyranny would there be? I mean if it doesnt effect our faith?

[Yanal]

i voted A

[3ARABY_2005]

A: the government is a police state, but the leaders share your religion

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[strider]

Option B. I'd hate to live in a police state.

[Umar001]

A: the government is a police state, but the leaders share your religion

Yea but do they follow it? If they did then they wouldnt be tyrants. So what can make one sure that they follow other parts.

[AHMED_GUREY]

C: A government that respects my rights and freedoms, and also shares the same religion as mine

that's perfect government for a Muslim

but since that's not an option in the poll

i've chosen B:

A dictator with two pious parents doesn't equal a pious Dictator lol

[barney]

Could you add another option for agnostics? Neither state appeals to me.

[Zman]

:sl:/Peace To All

I chose "B."

Reasons:

1. The Prophet (PBUH), sent Muslims to seek refuge and saftey under a Just Christian King, in ancient Ethiopia.

2. I believe there is a Hadith which states that it's better to be ruled by a Just non-Muslim than an unjust Muslim, something along that line (I think, but, I don't know the exact wording).

Having a co-religionist at the head of a government, doesn't guarantee that he'll be a practicing Muslim, nor will he observe Islamic law, or guarantee the rights of Muslims.

Also, many heads of state are Muslim by name, but are openly hostile to Islam and Muslims.

Anyway, Islam and a police state, are like oil & water.

Tyranny, oppression and lack of freedoms/rights go against everything Islam stands for...

[Pygoscelis]

If those are the only two choices? B. I already live under that. I certainly don't want a police state.

[barney]

Canada devolves it's policys from the religion of it's leaders?

Its not how I read (B)...
Seems to mean more of a religious state thinggummy?

[Hashim_507]

Is there different choice? besides those two picks..

[3ARABY_2005]

Yea but do they follow it? If they did then they wouldnt be tyrants. So what can make one sure that they follow other parts.

IF IT'S UR CHOICE BROTHER...U CAN'T LET A NON MUSLIM RULES U..

THE RULER MUST BE MUSLIM....ISLAM DOESN'T ALLOW US TO CHOOSE A NON MUSLIM RULER ON ISLAMIC LANDS.

SO ANYWAY...I WILL CHOOSE THE MUSLIM RULER :thumbs_up :thumbs_up

[vpb]

why would a country be with all policemen???? :p :p :p
let's make it military country, where everyone is a soldier :p lollll

lol just jokin.

well, myself I would choose none of them. cuz both are "catch one, hit the other".

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Meh I dont know. Well even if the guy is a corrupt Muslim, we always have the option to get rid of him :D B sounds nice too, but I don't want a non Muslim runnin over me =\. So umm yeaa, can't really decide.

[Cognescenti]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone wish to nominate someone as an example of a living, non-corrupt Muslim ruler?

[Cognescenti]

IF IT'S UR CHOICE BROTHER...U CAN'T LET A NON MUSLIM RULES U..

THE RULER MUST BE MUSLIM....ISLAM DOESN'T ALLOW US TO CHOOSE A NON MUSLIM RULER ON ISLAMIC LANDS.

SO ANYWAY...I WILL CHOOSE THE MUSLIM RULER :thumbs_up :thumbs_up

Ah...then the problem is solved. As all "Islamic Lands", at one point, "belonged" to a non-Muslim people so the concept of "Islamic Land" is pointless.

[August]

Ah...then the problem is solved. As all "Islamic Lands", at one point, "belonged" to a non-Muslim people so the concept of "Islamic Land" is pointless.

Actually, if I understand correctly, in Islamic law any country that was ever possesed by Muslims remains Islamic land forever. That would include Spain, for example. Interesting implications, huh?

[snakelegs]

no country is ruled according to islamic law.
as for the question, my answer is none of the above.

[Hashim_507]

no country is ruled according to islamic law.
as for the question, my answer is none of the above.

What about the muslim countries?

[snakelegs]

as far as i know, none of them is under shariah rule completely.

[Hashim_507]

as far as i know, none of them is under shariah rule completely.

Saudia Arabia and some muslim have sharia law but the leaders are not using the right way.

[aamirsaab]

:sl:

Just out of curiosity, does anyone wish to nominate someone as an example of a living, non-corrupt Muslim ruler?

LOL

I haven't voted simply because the poll is biased. You've got a police state where your religion is shared by leader or a non police but freedoms are respected state where your religion is not shared by leader. Clearly biased, Maybe not intentional.

A good country to live in is one where the leader does what is good not only for it's countrymen but what is also good for it's outsiders.

[HBot 5000]

I chose the latter quite simply because of my experience within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia....i h8 the mutawwah.. :(

[Cognescenti]

:sl:


LOL

I haven't voted simply because the poll is biased. You've got a police state where your religion is shared by leader or a non police but freedoms are respected state where your religion is not shared by leader. Clearly biased, Maybe not intentional.

A good country to live in is one where the leader does what is good not only for it's countrymen but what is also good for it's outsiders.

Which country would that be? :)

[aamirsaab]

:sl:

Which country would that be? :)

I actually cannot give you an answer. Though there are certain countries that to their credit do good things for their own countrymen (US and UK, though certain actions by their respective leaders do leave me puzzled). Sadly, they don't always have the best interests for their outsiders. This is the case for most countries nowadays.

[skhalid]

I want my right and freedom so.......

[Musaafirah]

By a police state what exactly do you mean? Like a dictator or something? Saddam Hussein style? :?
I personally couldn't choose either..

[Gangster No.1]

I vote for an islamic state, haram to vote any other type of organistaion, end of the day who's laws do we OBEY?

ALLAH ALMIGHTY?
DA QUEEN?


she'll be judged herself oneday, so how can you axpect 2 follow sum1 like her, non-muslim, man made law, muslim oppressers, muslim haters, devils companions, and then you wont me 2 vote for ......Labour?Conservatives etc...or perhaps the BNP. lol.


i only obey allah, inshalah.

[strider]

I vote for an islamic state, haram to vote any other type of organistaion, end of the day who's laws do we OBEY?

ALLAH ALMIGHTY?
DA QUEEN?


she'll be judged herself oneday, so how can you axpect 2 follow sum1 like her, non-muslim, man made law, muslim oppressers, muslim haters, devils companions, and then you wont me 2 vote for ......Labour?Conservatives etc...or perhaps the BNP. lol.


i only obey allah, inshalah.

Hold your horses! Not all non-Muslims hate Muslims or Islam. Not all non-Muslims are guilty of crimes against humanity. Simply equating non-Muslim with evil and barbaracy is ridiculous.

I'd rather live in a state where i had freedom and a compassionate, humane non-Muslim leader as opposed to somebody who happens to profess to been a Muslim whilst going against the basic tenants of Islam.

[Gangster No.1]

Hold your horses! Not all non-Muslims hate Muslims or Islam. Not all non-Muslims are guilty of crimes against humanity. Simply equating non-Muslim with evil and barbaracy is ridiculous.

I'd rather live in a state where i had freedom and a compassionate, humane non-Muslim leader as opposed to somebody who happens to profess to been a Muslim whilst going against the basic tenants of Islam.

Hang on then,lol.

no, what i am saying is the queen and her man made laws, are haram to musims and haram to vote for those laws to be holded, obvisouly we dont have no controll off all the votes to uhold the man made law, like goverment laws because it is controlled and no matter who you vote for.......its a man made law, that is haram.

you got the wrong end of da stick, i dont hate all non-muslims, jus most of them,lol. still no t all then init!

and not all non-mulsims hate muslims, just MOST of them, still not all izit.

lol.


i think we need 2 start i new thread? about voting, and haram, or halal, and is goverment law haram for muslims?

what you think shall I?

[Pygoscelis]

I'd like to see that thread. By what you've posted above it sounds almost like muslims are not supposed to follow secular laws (ie, they are meant to be criminal where secular law is enacted). I'm sure that's not what you mean, but that's how it appears.

[Gangster No.1]

lol. i'll try and start a new thread, without getting banned, hopefully.

[Ubaidah]

B. the government respects your rights and freedoms, but the leaders follow a different religion.

No question about it. I love the diversity America brings.

[strider]

Hang on then,lol.

no, what i am saying is the queen and her man made laws, are haram to musims and haram to vote for those laws to be holded, obvisouly we dont have no controll off all the votes to uhold the man made law, like goverment laws because it is controlled and no matter who you vote for.......its a man made law, that is haram.

i think we need 2 start i new thread? about voting, and haram, or halal, and is goverment law haram for muslims?

what you think shall I?

This forum, like most other Muslim forums has probably got a thread on that very topic lurking somewhere.

you got the wrong end of da stick, i dont hate all non-muslims, jus most of them,lol. still no t all then init!

and not all non-mulsims hate muslims, just MOST of them, still not all izit.

You've met most non-Muslims now, have you?

[Gangster No.1]

Have you met most non-muslims?

lol.

[Muezzin]

Whoah there, maybe we should all rein in the hostility and prejudice.

[strider]

Have you met most non-muslims?

lol.

No, but i'm not the one going around making ridiculous and offensive comments.

[Muezzin]

So rather than making insulting comments, shall we just answer the original poster's question?

[Gangster No.1]

look im jus ganna start a new thread, o.k sis? lol.

p.s, thread is going 2 b called: WHO'S LAWS DO WE OBEY? ALLAH ALMIGHTY or her Majesty da queer?

is that o.k, from there we shall discuss what needs to be said, and understud. for both of us and for all muslims and non-muslims. Inshalah.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

do u mean queen?? Lol...:X I'd choose Allahs laws over anything but then again if the "Muslim" is corrupt, he's not exactly following Allah(swt) now is he?
So umm i still cant decide =\.

[Sinbad]

I chose the latter quite simply because of my experience within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia....i h8 the mutawwah.. :(

Dont do it. I hate christians cause their bible say one thing they do another. Their bible mentiones slavery, it mentiones womed dress modestly, thats why nuns cover hteir hair and body et c.

You can not pick and choose and making it more "humane", then it will be christianity all over again.

[Keltoi]

Dont do it. I hate christians cause their bible say one thing they do another. Their bible mentiones slavery, it mentiones womed dress modestly, thats why nuns cover hteir hair and body et c.

You can not pick and choose and making it more "humane", then it will be christianity all over again.

You hate Christians huh? Nice to know that.

[Sinbad]

You hate Christians huh? Nice to know that.

I hate muslims more, but I hate you christians as well yes.

[August]

I hate muslims more, but I hate you christians as well yes.

Nice to see that agnostics have no moral or intellectual superiority.

Seriously, if you want to talk about hating another religion, go to another thread. The point of this discussion is simply to see who is or is not comfortable being ruled by someone of another religion.

[barney]

Nice to see that agnostics have no moral or intellectual superiority.

.

Ahh! You have just made the same mistake as him.:D
You have just lumped agnostics all together.
He might hate Christians or muslims, thats his predjudice, not his agnosticism!

You see agnostics as all the same?
He sees Muslims and Christians as all the same.

I'm agnostic.
I dont hate Christians, I dont hate Muslims.
I think their religions are terrible. That dosnt make them bad people. Gullible sure.
Worthy of hate? nowai.

[Skywalker]

That's almost a contradictory argument for Muslims because if a country is ruled by Islam, it wouldn't be a 'police state', but one that gives you rights and freedoms.

I can choose B, but I don't agree with the validity of the two options, so I choose neither.

[Skywalker]

I just read this!

I hate muslims more, but I hate you christians as well yes.

Hate is great! We should all hate! That would really make the world a better place.

...well that kinda rhymes... ;D

[Sinbad]

I just read this!

Hate is great! We should all hate! That would really make the world a better place.

...well that kinda rhymes... ;D

would? This is a world of hate, Palestinians hate Israelis, Israelist hate palestinians, I hate both of them....

[north_malaysian]

I've voted B.

Because tyrant Muslim leaders with authoritarian rule is not Islamic.

[Skywalker]

would? This is a world of hate, Palestinians hate Israelis, Israelist hate palestinians, I hate both of them....

Great! Instead of striving to improve things, we should add to the hate! Sounds reasonable.

Thumbs up to you, dude!

[August]

Ahh! You have just made the same mistake as him.:D
You have just lumped agnostics all together.
He might hate Christians or muslims, thats his predjudice, not his agnosticism!

Oops! Sorry.

[......]

I Voted B

[islamirama]

I vote C

C: government respects your rights and freedoms, AND leaders followsame religion.

anyways, it's not that easy. In non-Muslim lands, i don't care who is the ruler so long as its not a police state Bush is making. And for Muslim lands the ruler has to be a Muslim by law, and the current leaders don't really fall into that category exactly considering their actions and how much islam do they really follow?

[Skywalker]

^ That's what I said. You should add that option to the polls...although that would ruin the point of the poll I guess.

[adnan88]

I'm not sure what it is exactly meant by a "police state"; however, if it is inferring that it is to live in Dar al-herb with the full implementation of Shariah, then I'm all for it.

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Neither, ideally, although I already live in a state a little like B.

I'd rather live in a state where religion had nothing whatsoever to do with politics.

Peace

[IbnAbdulHakim]

i want the leader to share my relifion :)

[Encolpius]

How about D. The government respects and allows all religions yet keeps itself out of inter-faith wrangling and the beliefs of the people in government are not permitted to colour their rule of the country nor to discriminate in favour of nor against any faith.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

How about D. The government respects and allows all religions yet keeps itself out of inter-faith wrangling and the beliefs of the people in government are not permitted to colour their rule of the country nor to discriminate in favour of nor against any faith.

yes this is acceptable :)

when the muslims during the time of the prophet sallallahi alaihi wasallaam migrated to abysinia, the king of the time gave them freedom to practise their religion.

i appreciate and recognize the rulers who allow muslims to practise their religion freely, may Allah guide them :)

[crayon]

I hate muslims more, but I hate you christians as well yes.

would? This is a world of hate, Palestinians hate Israelis, Israelist hate palestinians, I hate both of them....

Ahaha. You're ace, dude. Just keep up the hating, it'll do you a world of good.:D

To answer the question, if I HAD to choose between those two options, it would be B. Both options blow, though..

[guyabano]

@crayon:

I don't know why you keep up digging out some old threads, specially, when you can see, that the poster-account you quote is already been disabled???

Peace

[crayon]

They're digging themselves up, guyabano. I don't always look at the dates of the posts before I answer a poll.

[guyabano]

They're digging themselves up, guyabano. I don't always look at the dates of the posts before I answer a poll.

You mean, you don't browse these posts and open them again?
How can it be possible then that the appear suddenly?

hmmm...strange.

I guess, only the Admin knows then

Peace

[crayon]

I think it's to do with all the database errors and all that.

Allahu A'lam.

[Moon*Light]

:sl:

Well I rather have a gov, that respects my rights and freedom and the ruler is of my religion.

I voted the second one because I live in such a country and know people who live in a police state and understand the differences between the two.