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Umm Muslimah
08-19-2005, 12:03 AM
In the name of ALLAH the most merciful, the most kind.

my respected brothers n sisters in Islam.

i need a bit of help here. im a bit confused whether it is allowed for a muslim sister to work in a hospital as nurse where u come across male pataints as this is part of the work, do u think its a good career for a muslim sister?

let me know plz!





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TEH
08-19-2005, 12:15 AM
In some hospitals it is the law for a doctor to close the door to examine a patient to ensure patient privacy. When this happens with a patient of the opposite sex, is it considered unlawful khalwa? If so, what should the doctor or medical student/resident do to avoid such situations, given the law that it is required by the hospital?

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

The position of Muslim doctors and medical practitioners is very delicate indeed, because they find themselves in many situations where it is very easy for one to fall into a sin. Only the fear of Allah, piety and moral ethics will prevent one from committing a sin.

Doctors have to regularly interact with patients of the opposite sex. Thus, they need to be very careful and mindful in that they don’t transgress the limits set down by Shariah.

As far as being alone with someone of the opposite sex (khalwah) is concerned, it is common knowledge that this is not allowed in Islam, due to the many Prophetic statements declaring it to be unlawful or at the least prohibitively disliked (makruh tahriman), for example:

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “A man must not remain alone in the company of a woman, and a woman must not travel except that her Mahram is accompanying her.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2488)

Therefore, a medical practitioner should try his/her best in order not to be alone with someone of the opposite sex. If it is possible for one to have a nurse or some other third person in the room, then one must do that. If that is not possible, then one should try and keep the door open. If one is forced by law to keep the door closed, then one must ensure the door is not locked (and I believe by law also, one cannot lock the door).

In the case where the door is closed, one should try and practice in a room with a view into the room. There should be an unveiled window through which people are able to see inside the room. A door which has a see-through window would be sufficient.

If none of the above is possible in that one is forced by law to close the door, not have a see-through window and not have a third person present, then due to the rule of “need and necessity” it would be permitted to be in seclusion with the patient of the opposite gender.

However, one should keep in mind the Juristic principle which states:

“Cases of need are restricted to the actual need” (Ibn Nujaym, al-Ashbah wa al-Naza’ir, P. 86). Thus, one must be careful that the remaining in Khalwa is only restricted to the actual need. One must not remain in seclusion any longer than what is “typically” required for consultation. Also, one must lower their gaze and save themselves from anything inciting, for the third person amongst them will be Shaytan.

As far as the ruling for a patient is concerned, he/she must avoid being alone (khalwa) with a doctor of the opposite sex. It will not be permitted to be in Khalwa with a doctor of the opposite gender if a doctor from one’s own gender is easily available and one is satisfied and content with his/her medical treatment. However, if this is not possible, it will be permitted due to need and necessity.

And Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
Darul Iftaa, Leicetser, UK

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Takumi
08-19-2005, 12:11 PM
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I'm wondering, whether you have undergone the training to be a nurse.

When I was in the health sciences college, physical examination class was part of the curricullum. First we learn the theory and then we got to practice them.

That's when I got into trouble. I was paired with one young lady, my classmate of course.

I'm sure you know what was going to happen, we were supposed to examine each other. You don't even want to know HOW we should dress ourselves on that test day.

Alhamdulillah, I got a way out. I actually spoke to my supervisor and told him truthfully it wasn't permissible for me to touch any female except my wife and family. He immediately understood (try that in an country where muslims live, they'll label you EXTREMIST) and allowed me to change partners.

You know what, after I got to change partner, I found out the whole class wasn't comfortable with examining the opposite gender. All of them got to change, and I was the ONLY muslim in the class.

You should weigh your situation wisely. If you really NEED this job, then you should ask the local imam or scholar for a fatwa for you. We can't assess your needs and situations and none of us is qualified to give you a ruling.

At the end of the day, we must remember we'll be in the day where no soul will own anything will have to defend itself.

May Allah make it easy for you. Ameen.
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Ummu Amatullah
08-19-2005, 12:23 PM
Ameen.Brother Takumi is that what you have to do in every health science college?,because if it is then i'm done for.
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Takumi
08-19-2005, 12:45 PM
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I don't know. I think it's easier to deal with non muslims about religious issues compared to muslims. Non muslims USUALLY respect us a lot for what we believe in.

As I was attending college, there was one class that I had to take and it was scheduled during Jum'ah. I went to the department chairman's office and he said, "we have a lot of muslim doctors over here, and I don't see them taking off on Fridays" I was flabbergasted.

Then I talked to my course professor, and what she said was unbelievable:

"I admire you. It's really hard to find someone who is committed to a religious belief nowadays. I will help you in anyway I can. You may go to your Friday services. If you need extra notes or even the class to be video recorded, I will do that for you. I hope you're happy." and she's Catholic.

Not to stray away from the topic, but, you'll find many instances like this. Just keep the faith.
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Umm Muslimah
08-19-2005, 03:19 PM
In the name of ALLAH, the most merciful, the most kind.

jazakallah to everyone for ur advice.

i havent started my course yet but will do in Sep InshaAllah and i think its a bit too lasate for me change the course.

ALLAH knows best,

mm by the way i did realise i posted it in the wrong sec but dont matter does it, like Hashim said its an important issue that needs to be discussed.

Salaam for now.
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Far7an
08-19-2005, 04:12 PM
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Question :

My wife is studing to become a nurse at a University, is it lawful to: -examine patients(male or female) and give them baths which are apart of the class projects.
-examine men as a nurse in non-emergency situations at a non-muslim hospital.
-work at a home for the mentally ill where the co-workers are male and the patients are also.
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Praise be to Allaah.
If a woman finds that she has to work because of necessity, she is permitted to work outside the home, as is indicated by the fact that the two daughters of Shu’ayb used to water the sheep, and the story of Asma’ bint Abi Bakr working outside the home. If a woman is widowed with children, and has no breadwinner and is receiving no money from the Bayt al-Maal (treasury), it is permissible for her to earn a living. Although we say that a woman is permitted to work outside the home when it is necessary, she should nevertheless do only the work she needs to do in order to meet her needs. If a woman has professional skills which not every woman possesses, and which are needed by other woman and society as a whole, then it is permissible for her to practice her profession outside the home, so long as she adheres to the conditions prescribed by sharee’ah and has the permission of her legal (shar’i) guardian. The evidence that it is permissible for the woman to work outside the home in a field where there is a need for her work, as long as she adheres to the conditions prescribed by sharee’ah, is to be seen in the fact that at the time of the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), midwives used to attend women in labour, and skilled women used to practice circumcision, and he did not condemn them for doing so. It is also known that Rufaydah al-Ansaariyyah used to treat the wounded in her tent, which had been set up in the mosque for that purpose. She was very skilled in treating the sick, and her work was done with the knowledge and express permission of the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Sa’d ibn Mu’aadh was transferred to her tent for treatment. This indicates that it is permissible for a woman to practice her profession outside the home, and by analogy we may deduce that it is permissible for a female doctor to open a clinic outside her home for the treatment of women and children. By doing this, she is fulfilling the duty of fard kifaayah (a duty falling on the entire community – if some people fulfil it, responsibility is lifted from the rest, otherwise all will be held accountable. Translator). Such clinics make it easy for sick women to come to a female doctor, hence they no longer have to uncover their ‘awrah before a male doctor when they need treatment.

But this permission is given on the condition that this work does not affect her duties towards her own home, husband and children, and that she has her husband’s permission, because these duties are her individual duties (fard ‘ayn), which take precedence over her responsibilities towards the community (fard kifaayah). When there is any conflict, her individual duties must come first. (Al-Mufassal by ‘Abd al-Kareem, 4/272).

Another hadeeth which describes Muslim women at the beginning of Islam practising a profession was narrated by Hafsah, concerning a woman who used to treat the wounded. Al-Bukhaari, may Allaah have mercy on him, reported in his Saheeh that Hafsah said: “A woman came and stayed at the fort of Bani Khalaf, and told us about her sister. Her sister’s husband used to go out on military campaigns with the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He had been on twelve campaigns, and she (his wife) had accompanied him on six. She said, ‘We used to treat the wounded and take care of the sick…’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, no. 313).

But a woman’s work as a nurse or doctor is regulated by the rules indicated in other Islamic texts. Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar, may Allaah have mercy on him, commenting on the above hadeeth, mentioned some of these conditions: “What we learn from this hadeeth is that a woman is allowed to offer medical treatment to a non-mahram man (one to whom she is not related), so long as this takes the form of bringing medicine to him, for example, or other forms of indirect treatment (i.e. with no touching or direct contact involved) – except in cases where it is necessary and there is no fear of temptation (such as in an emergency situation or in the event of a disaster).”

If a woman works in complete hijaab, without touching a male patient, or being alone with him in any way, and as long as there is no fear that she may be the cause of temptation or be tempted herself, and she is not neglecting a more essential duty such as taking care of her husband or children, and she has the permission of her guardian, then it is permissible for her to work. In principle, men should be treated by male doctors and nurses, and women by female doctors and nurses. There should be no mixing of the sexes in medical treatment, except when it is necessary and as long as there is no fear of temptation. And Allaah knows best.
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