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asadxyz
06-21-2007, 02:48 PM
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Can anyone help to find out the meaning of "Khamar" as "Poisoning" from the following Arabic dictionarie and Tafassirs?
The actual Aya is :
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالأَنصَابُ وَالأَزْلاَمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَانِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ﴿5:90﴾

The actual word used is خمر which is usually translated as "intoxicant" .But intoxicant is an English word which has by itself so many meaning in addition to "being drunk or inebriation".It does mean that all of linguistic meaning of intoxicant in English are also applicable to خمر . For its meaning we have to refer to Arbic dictionaries;

Almisbahul Munir :

( خ م ر ) : الْخِمَارُ ثَوْبٌ تُغَطِّي بِهِ الْمَرْأَةُ رَأْسَهَا وَالْجَمْعُ خُمُرٌ مِثْلُ : كِتَابٍ وَكُتُبٍ وَاخْتَمَرَتْ الْمَرْأَةُ وَتَخَمَّرَتْ لَبِسَتْ الْخِمَارَ وَالْخَمْرُ مَعْرُوفَةٌ تُذَكَّرُ وَتُؤَنَّثُ فَيُقَالُ هُوَ الْخَمْرُ وَهِيَ الْخَمْرُ.
وَقَالَ الْأَصْمَعِيُّ الْخَمْرُ أُنْثَى وَأَنْكَرَ التَّذْكِيرَ وَيَجُوزُ دُخُولُ الْهَاءِ فَيُقَالُ الْخَمْرَةُ عَلَى أَنَّهَا قِطْعَةٌ مِنْ الْخَمْرِ كَمَا يُقَالُ كُنَّا فِي لَحْمَةٍ وَنَبِيذَةٍ وَعَسَلَةٍ أَيْ فِي قِطْعَةٍ مِنْ كُلّ شَيْءٍ مِنْهَا وَيُجْمَعُ الْخَمْرُ عَلَى الْخُمُورِ مِثْلُ : فَلْسٍ وَفُلُوسٍ وَيُقَالُ هِيَ اسْمٌ لِكُلِّ مُسْكِرٍ خَامَرَ الْعَقْلَ أَيْ : غَطَّاهُ وَاخْتَمَرَتْ الْخَمْرُ أَدْرَكَتْ وَغَلَتْ وَخَمَّرْتُ الشَّيْءَ تَخْمِيرًا غَطَّيْتُهُ وَسَتَرْتُهُ وَالْخُمْرَةُ وِزَانُ غُرْفَةٍ حَصِيرٌ صَغِيرَةٌ قَدْرُ مَا يُسْجَدُ عَلَيْهِ وَخَمَرْتُ الْعَجِينَ خَمْرًا مِنْ بَابِ قَتَلَ جَعَلْتُ فِيهِ الْخَمِيرَ وَخَمَرَ الرَّجُلُ شَهَادَتَهُ

Mufradaat Ul Quran by Raghib Isphahaani :
خمر
-أصل الخمر: ستر الشيء، ويقال لما يستر به: خمار؛ لكن الخمار صار في التعارف اسما لما تغطي به المرأة رأسها، وجمعه خمر، قال تعالى: {وليضربن بخمرهن على جيوبهن} <النور/31> واختمرت المرأة وتخمرت، وخمرت الإناء: غطيته، وروي (خمروا آنيتكم) (الحديث عن جابر بن عبد الله رفعه قال: (خمروا الآنية، وأوكوا الأسقية، وأجيفوا الأبواب، واكفتوا صبيانكم عند المساء؛ فإن للجن انتشارا وخطفه، وأطفئوا المصابيح عند الرقاد، فإن الفويسقة ربما اجترت الفتيلة، فأحرقت أهل البيت) أخرجه البخاري 6/253 في بدء الخلق: باب: إذا وقع الذباب في شراب أحدكم فليغمسه؛ وانظر: شرح السنة 11/391)، وأخمرت العجين: جعلت فيه الخمير، والخميرة سميت لكونها مخمورة من قبل. ودخل في خمار الناس، أي: في جماعتهم الساترة لهم، والخمر سميت لكونها خامرة لمقر العقل، وهو عند بعض الناس اسم لكل مسكر. وعند بعضهم اسم للمتخذ من العنب والتمر، لما روي عنه صلى الله عليه وسلم: (الخمر من هاتين الشجرتين: النخلة والعنبة) (الحديث أخرجه مسلم عن أبي هريرة، في باب الأشربة، برقم (1985) ؛ وانظر: شرح السنة 11/353. قال البغوي: معناه: إن معظم الخمر يكون منهما، وهو الأغلب على عادات الناس فيما يتخذونه من الخمور، وفي الحديث: (والخمر ما خامر العقل) البخاري 10/39. قال: فيه دليل واضح على بطلان قول من زعم أن الخمر إنما هي من عصير العنب، أو الرطب، بل كل مسكر خمر. انتهى. مختصرا. راجع: شرح السنة 11/351 - 353)، ومنهم من جعلها اسما لغير المطبوخ، ثم كمية الطبخ التي تسقط عنه اسم الخمر مختلف فيها، والخمار: الداء العارض من الخمر، وجعل بناؤه بناء الأدواء كالزكام والسعال، وخمرة الطيب: ريحه، وخامره وخمرة: خالطه ولزمه، وعنه استعير:
151 - خامري أم عامر
(البيت:
لا تقبروني إن قبري محرم * عليكم ولكن خامري أم عامر
وهو للشنفرى، في اللسان (عمر) ؛ وأمالي القالي 3/36؛ وعيون الأخبار 3/200؛ والبرصان والعرجان ص 166)‏

A few Tafaasir :
تفسير الرازي - (ج 6 / ص 146)
وفي اشتقاق لفظ الخمر وجهان : الأول : سميت الخمر خمراً لأنها خامرت العقل ، أي خالطته فسترته ، والثاني : قال ابن الأعرابي : تركت فاختمرت ، أي تغير ريحها ، والميسر هو قمارهم في الجزور ، والأنصاب هي آلهتهم التي نصبوها يعبدونها


الوسيط لسيد طنطاوي - (ج 1 / ص 1359)
والخمر - بمعنى المصدر - هو الستر ، ولذلك يقال لما يستر به الرأس عند النساء خمار . والخمر - بمعنى الاسم - ما يخمر العقل ويستره ، ويمنعه من التقدير السليم :
قال القرطبي : والخمر مأخوذة من خمر ، إذا ستر ، ومن خمار المرأة لأنه يستر وجهها . وكل شيء غطى شيئاً فقد خمره . ومنه : خمروا آنيتكم أي : غطوها .
وقيل : إنما سميت الخمر خمراً ، لأنها تركت حتى أدركت كما يقال : قد اختمر العجين ، أي : بلغ إدراكه ، وخمر الرأي ، أي ترك حتى يتبين فيه الوجه .
وقيل : إنما سميت الخمر خمراً ، لأنها تخالط العقل . من المخامرة وهي المخالطة . ومنه قولهم : دخلت في خمار الناس - بفتح الخاء وضمها - أي : اختلطت بهم . فالمعاني الثالثة متقاربة ، فالخمر تركت حتى أدركت ، ثم خالطت العقل ، ثم خمرته والأصل الستر

تفسير السعدي - (ج 1 / ص 243)
وهي الخمر وهي: كل ما خامر العقل أي: غطاه بسكره
Basically I am not an Arabic speaking person.I will appreciate any Arabic speaker including you ,if he could highlight the meaning of of "Khamar " as "Poisoning " because I fear I might have missed .
I will be waiting for your reply because it is essential to know the exact meaning of "Khamar".
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doorster
06-21-2007, 08:57 PM
:sl:
I am no Arabic speaker, I am Urdu and Panjabi speaker.

I was taught الْخَمْرُ=Wine, Urdu shraab

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asadxyz
06-21-2007, 09:03 PM
Dear Woodrow:
:sl:
I have just looked at the translation you posted in our previous thread.First of all I thank you for helping and taking pain and spending time to translate those passages.I appreciate this attitude.
But unfortunately ,I am a little bit disappointed ( and I feel sorry for that).I do not know whether you are really Arabic speaking or Like me non Arabic.I will give the example first few sentences which were translated by you .
A total word for word translation of:

Almisbahul Munir :

( خ م ر ) : الْخِمَارُ ثَوْبٌ تُغَطِّي بِهِ الْمَرْأَةُ رَأْسَهَا وَالْجَمْعُ خُمُرٌ مِثْلُ : كِتَابٍ وَكُتُبٍ وَاخْتَمَرَتْ الْمَرْأَةُ وَتَخَمَّرَتْ لَبِسَتْ الْخِمَارَ وَالْخَمْرُ مَعْرُوفَةٌ تُذَكَّرُ وَتُؤَنَّثُ فَيُقَالُ هُوَ الْخَمْرُ وَهِيَ الْخَمْرُ.
وَقَالَ الْأَصْمَعِيُّ الْخَمْرُ أُنْثَى وَأَنْكَرَ التَّذْكِيرَ وَيَجُوزُ دُخُولُ الْهَاءِ فَيُقَالُ الْخَمْرَةُ عَلَى أَنَّهَا قِطْعَةٌ مِنْ الْخَمْرِ كَمَا يُقَالُ كُنَّا فِي لَحْمَةٍ وَنَبِيذَةٍ وَعَسَلَةٍ أَيْ فِي قِطْعَةٍ مِنْ كُلّ شَيْءٍ مِنْهَا وَيُجْمَعُ الْخَمْرُ عَلَى الْخُمُورِ مِثْلُ : فَلْسٍ وَفُلُوسٍ وَيُقَالُ هِيَ اسْمٌ لِكُلِّ مُسْكِرٍ خَامَرَ الْعَقْلَ أَيْ : غَطَّاهُ وَاخْتَمَرَتْ الْخَمْرُ أَدْرَكَتْ وَغَلَتْ وَخَمَّرْتُ الشَّيْءَ تَخْمِيرًا غَطَّيْتُهُ وَسَتَرْتُهُ وَالْخُمْرَةُ وِزَانُ غُرْفَةٍ حَصِيرٌ صَغِيرَةٌ قَدْرُ مَا يُسْجَدُ عَلَيْهِ وَخَمَرْتُ الْعَجِينَ خَمْرًا مِنْ بَابِ قَتَلَ جَعَلْتُ فِيهِ الْخَمِيرَ وَخَمَرَ الرَّجُلُ شَهَادَتَGives us this:

veiled women dress covering her head and combine wine, such as : book, books and illustrious women and Takhmurt Wimpled intoxicants known remembrance and illiteracy is reportedly wine is wine. He said Alasamai wine mutilation and denied entry may recall, said the distraction alcohol as a piece of wine, as they say we are in meat and your wine and Isla in any piece of everything and brings wine to wine, such as : Pal, and said money is the name of each Inebriated skeptical mind, namely : coverage of the illustrious wine and realized, and tied Khmert thing Takhmira Gtaith jacket, and alcohol and Zan Mat small room as often as kneeling and Khmert dough wine made from the killed by the Khmer wine and men testimony
I am going to translate the initial sentence so that you should know what sort of mistakes have occured.
"]"Khimar"is that cloth with which women cover their heads and its Plural is "Khumur" just like "Kitab" and its plural is "Kutub"."Ikhtamarat almaraato" and "Takhammarat" means "she put on Khimar"."Al Khamar" is a well known thing.It is used as masculine and feminine.So it is said "Huwalkhamro and Hiyalkhamro[/INDENT]".

Now compare this translation with your translation which is below.
veiled women dress covering her head and combine wine, such as : book, books and illustrious women and Takhmurt Wimpled intoxicants known remembrance and illiteracy is reportedly wine is wine.
It is just an example.Translation of both paragraphs (both dictionaries ) are on the same pattern.
I cannot comment much
Anyway thanks a lot
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boriqee
06-22-2007, 09:42 PM
I, like yourself, am an ajamee to.

however that translation above is grossly translated. in fatc if an arab were to translate that ttext to us in english, it will have major changes than this defective translation

veiled women dress covering her head and combine wine, such as : book, books and illustrious women and Takhmurt Wimpled intoxicants known remembrance and illiteracy is reportedly wine is wine. He said Alasamai wine mutilation and denied entry may recall, said the distraction alcohol as a piece of wine, as they say we are in meat and your wine and Isla in any piece of everything and brings wine to wine, such as : Pal, and said money is the name of each Inebriated skeptical mind, namely : coverage of the illustrious wine and realized, and tied Khmert thing Takhmira Gtaith jacket, and alcohol and Zan Mat small room as often as kneeling and Khmert dough wine made from the killed by the Khmer wine and men testimony
I like sakhr as well but the problem with sakhr is that it only translates the language "verbatim" and not "with context" thus such automated tranlations turn out to be like the one above, as not even the english reader is able to put into context what this translation says.

I dont entirely understand your question but it seems to me you are half way confused between khamr (of intoxical nature) and khimara (the covering)

as for the actual arabic
khamr then it is

when it is spelled kh meem and ra with a shaddah over the meem then it means to ferment, cause to undergo fermentation

you see as a general fule in the arabic, all the three radcical verbs in arabic, have 15 main verb forms. The verb form that has a shaddah over the second letter has a cannotation that something is being made or compelled to do

for example, the actual three letters kha meem and ra, actually linguistically mean "to ferment" meaning that such a thing is in the stae of fermentation. For example beer is khamr

NOW with the shaddah over he meem, then that implies that I caused somthing to become fermented, and not that I fermented myself. So beer is not described as khamr with a shaddah over the meem because beer does not cause something to ferment, rather it itself is the one that became fermented.

another example the three letter word ha ma la. emans literraly, to carry. Now if we add a shaddah over it it would mean to cause somethign to carry

Now the actual word khamr with a sukoon over the ra literaly means
"wine, liquor, alcoholic beverage, intoxicant, inebriant

now as for he linguistical usage of he three letteer ver kha meem and ra then here is how it is used in its various forms

verb form 1. and 2. means to cover, hide, conceal something (hence the hijaab) AND it means as well to leaven, raise dough, to ferment and to cause fermentation.

So it depends on hte context of the construction in arabic that defines or contricts the use of the word khamr

in its 3. form it means to permeate, pervade something, to blen, mix with, ot possess, seize, overcome someone or something.

in the 4th form it means to also leaven, raise dough, to ferment AND to harbor, entertain something. to bear a grudge, feel resentment

form 5. to ferment, to be in a state of fermentation, to rise dough, to veil the head and face

form 6. to conspire, plot, collude, scheme, intrigue (when used with ala i.e. against)

form 8. to ferment, be in a state of fermentation, to rise dough, to become ripe, ripen

These are the various forms the three radical verb kha meem and ra mean in each form, and iin each form what it means based on context.

That is just for the word khamr

75 percent of he lugha is the fi'il (verbs) and nearly all verbs are in each form mean entirely different things.

example

the three letter qa, ta, la put together means to kill

in the forth form of this verb it is the word qaatalah, with an alif (for elongation of qa0 after the qa, and in this form, it means to fight, not to kill. There are many words in he language that if the same word is applied in a different form, it would mean an entirely different thin and your mind would be bamboozled as to how the arabs used such and such word for such and such meaning based on a totally different reality of what the root word means.

for example

the first form of sadda means to turn away, alienate, discourage, divert, deter, restrain, reject, yet in the 5th form it means to confront, to face, whcih is totally opposite of the meaning it had in the first form.

Im sorry, im to lazy to type the arabic letters, ithe process is to hard, i think I had a link that dorected me to an arabic tab where all I had to do is press it but I dont know where it went

asalamu alaikum
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asadxyz
06-22-2007, 10:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by al-Izaaree
I, like yourself, am an ajamee to.

I dont entirely understand your question but it seems to me you are half way confused between khamr (of intoxical nature) and khimara (the covering)
:sl:
Thanks a lot for this detailed post.
Most probably you have consulted "Arabic English dictionary by Hans Wehr " if I am not guessing wrong.
Actually this Quranic Aya was under discussion :

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالأَنصَابُ وَالأَزْلاَمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَانِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ﴿5:90﴾
One scholar translated the word "Khamr" into three meaning:
0 ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling are an abomination of Satan's handiwork. Eschew such abominations that ye may prosper."

Al Ma'idah, 5: 93

The word intoxicant has three meanings (6):

(1) To induce, especially the effect of ingested alcohol.

(2) To stimulate or excite.

(3) To poison.
I consulted many dictionaries including tafassirs but could not find this meaning of "Poisoning" .
Since I am not Arabic speaking person ,I thought it is possible I might have missed in the texts which I copied pasted above.
Anyway thanks a lot for your really informative post .
Mabrook
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boriqee
06-22-2007, 11:40 PM
I used both hans weir and another mawrid. I dont have lisaan al-arab with me. I would have tried to look it up there.

asalamu alaikum
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asadxyz
06-23-2007, 01:11 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by al-Izaaree
I used both hans weir and another mawrid. I dont have lisaan al-arab with me. I would have tried to look it up there.

asalamu alaikum
:sl:
Luckily I have both of these dictionaries.These are good for Modern Arabic but not for Classical Arabic in which the the Holy Quran was revealed.
Best of luck
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Woodrow
06-23-2007, 03:18 PM
I have several Qur'an translations by different translaters. So far all that I have read translate Khamar as intoxicant and one of the definitions of intoxicant is poison.

Interesting to note that all intoxicants are poison if overdosed. Including alcohol. We have quite a few deaths here in the US of teenagers dieing from alcohol poisoning each year. Usually the first time they try drinking alcohol



Alcohol Poisoning

Each year about 50 students from universities and colleges across the nation die from alcohol poisoning—almost one every weekend. These tragic deaths should serve as a wake up call to everyone who has ever participated in a drinking game, for there is no such thing as a “safe drinking game” (an oxymoron of serious proportions)!

How does alcohol poisoning occur?
The drug alcohol is a central nervous system depressant that produces numerous behavioral, emotional, and physical effects as it acts upon specific parts of the brain. First to be affected is the cerebrum, the part of your brain that controls advanced functions like recognition, vision, reasoning, and emotion. At low intake levels, alcohol reduces inhibitions and affects judgment; vision, movement, and speech are impaired as alcohol levels rise. When the next brain area—the cerebellum—is depressed by alcohol, problems with coordination, reflexes, and balance result.

The medulla controls basic survival functions such as breathing and heartbeat and is the last portion of your brain to be affected. When you've consumed so much alcohol that the medulla is affected, your brain's ability to control respiration and heart rate is severely diminished. Your heart rate can drop and breathing ceases, resulting in a coma and then death.

How much alcohol is lethal?
The lethal dose of alcohol is clinically defined as the amount that would kill half the population. Most authorities place this dose at about .40%, or about five times the legal limit in New Mexico. However, there are many cases in which death occurred from alcohol poisoning at much lower, and in some cases, higher levels. For a 120 lb. man or woman drinking very quickly, it would only take about 9-10 drinks in an hour to reach the lethal level.
Source: http://www.unm.edu/~shc1/htalcoholpoison.html

So based on that I would say it is logical that a legitimate translation for Kharam would be Poison as intoxicants are poisons.

I just take it for Granted that the translators that translated the recognized translations would be very fluent in Arabic and English.

I think we need to also understand the meaning of the word poison.

poi·son (poizn)
n.
1. A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means.
2. Something destructive or fatal.
3. Chemistry & Physics A substance that inhibits another substance or a reaction: a catalyst poison.
tr.v. poi·soned, poi·son·ing, poi·sons
1. To kill or harm with poison.
2. To put poison on or into: poisoning arrows; poisoned the drink.
3.
a. To pollute: Noxious fumes poison the air. See Synonyms at contaminate.
b. To have a harmful influence on; corrupt: Jealousy poisoned their friendship.
4. Chemistry & Physics To inhibit (a substance or reaction).
adj.
Poisonous.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin pti, ptin-, drink; see p(i)- in Indo-European roots.]
poison·er n.
Word History: The phrase poison potion, besides being alliterative, also consists of doublets, that is, two words that go back ultimately to the same source in another language. The source for both words is Latin pti (stem form ptin-), which meant "the act of drinking, a drink, or a draft, as of a medicine or poison." Our word potion, which retains the sense "dose," passed through Old French (pocion) on its way to Middle English (pocion), first recorded in a work composed around 1300. In Old French pocion is a learned borrowing, one that was deliberately taken from Latin in a form corresponding to the Latin form. Our spelling potion is the result of a similar impulse toward Latinization; in the late Renaissance and Enlightenment, numerous English words that had been borrowed from Old French were respelled according to the shape of their Latin ancestors. Pocion thus was changed to potion on the model of Latin pti. But the Latin word had also passed through Vulgar Latin into Old French in the different form poison. This word meant "beverage," "liquid dose," and also "poison beverage, poison." The word poison is first recorded in Middle English in a work composed around 1200.
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/poison
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boriqee
06-23-2007, 05:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by asadxyz
:sl:
Luckily I have both of these dictionaries.These are good for Modern Arabic but not for Classical Arabic in which the the Holy Quran was revealed.
Best of luck
actually the lisaan al-arab by Ibn Mandhoor is based on qurani arabi it is one of the best ever produced. That along with lanes lexicon, but lanes is about a thousand dollars

asalamu alaikum
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asadxyz
06-24-2007, 01:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I have several Qur'an translations by different translaters. So far all that I have read translate Khamar as intoxicant and one of the definitions of intoxicant is poison.

Interesting to note that all intoxicants are poison if overdosed. Including alcohol. We have quite a few deaths here in the US of teenagers dieing from alcohol poisoning each year. Usually the first time they try drinking alcohol





Source: http://www.unm.edu/~shc1/htalcoholpoison.html

So based on that I would say it is logical that a legitimate translation for Kharam would be Poison as intoxicants are poisons.

I just take it for Granted that the translators that translated the recognized translations would be very fluent in Arabic and English.

I think we need to also understand the meaning of the word poison.



Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/poison
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Dear Brother!
In fact I thought probably we are going to reach any consesus on this point.Since you have put another post regarding the meaning of "Khamr".
I feel it my moral duty to put what I understand by it.
To evaluate meaning of any word particularly those of the Holy Quran ,liguistic scholars have formulated a few principles which must be kept in mind.

The Holy Quran is revealed in Arabic and particularly its dialect (Lughat Quraish).In other words it is in Classical Arabic not in the Arabic of present day.The languages always go on changing with passage of time.E.g Today's English is quite different from that of Shakepear's age.
Consequently , we have to go back to the Era of Revelation of the Holy Quran to understand the meanings of words in which Arabs have been using them at that time.
To explore the exact meaning we have to
1: find out the context in which this word has been used in the Holy Quran and other Ayas in which it is used
2:Narrations of the Holy Prophet:arabic5: :Who knows the meaning of the Holy Quran better than the Holy Prophet:arabic5:
3: Classical Arabic Dictionaries ( There are many,like AlQamoos ul Muhit,Almohkam ,Lisaan ul Arab ,Tajul Aroos etc)
4:Quranic Dictionaries (Very famous Mufradaat ul Quran by Raghib Isphahani and many others)
5:Tafassir : These are many in number written by the scholars of their time.

Now coming to the Point :
As you know arabic words are derived from ROOTS.These roots have their own meaning which are usually reflected in their derivatives.
In Maqaabees ul Lugha by Ibne Faaris it is written ;
(خمر) الخاء والميم والراء أصلٌ واحد يدلُّ على التغطية، والمخالطةِ في سَتْر. فالخَمْرُ: الشَّراب المعروف. قال *الخليل: الخمر معروفةٌ
Kha,Meem ,Raa = Its root meaning are ,to cover ,and mixing in hiding.So "Khamr " is wine .Al Khalil said "Alkhamr" is well known.
Above I quoted Almisbahul Munir

Mufradaat Ul quran :
أصل الخمر: ستر الشيء، ويقال لما يستر به: خمار؛
Root meaning of Khamr is "To cover something" and anything with which something is covered is called "khimar".
He also writes :
وخمرت الإناء: غطيته، وروي (خمروا آنيتكم)
وخمرت الإناء: غطيته، = I covered the vessel ,
وروي (خمروا آنيتكم = it is narrated that cover your vessels.

He also narrates a Hadith :
وفي الحديث: (والخمر ما خامر العقل) البخاري 10/39
= It is in Hadith that "Alkhamr is that thing which covers the mind (Wisdom)"

Another Hadith :
لما روي عنه صلى الله عليه وسلم: (الخمر من هاتين الشجرتين: النخلة والعنبة) (الحديث أخرجه مسلم عن أبي هريرة، في باب الأشربة، برقم (1985)
Abu Hurarah narrated in Muslim that the Holy Prophet :arabic5: said "Alkhamr is from two trees ,Date and Grapes.

Exactly more or less in the same words The Tafassir have the meaning of Khamr.E.g ;
الوسيط لسيد طنطاوي - (ج 1 / ص 1359)
والخمر - بمعنى الاسم - ما يخمر العقل ويستره = Alkhamr as a noun anything which covers the mind (wisdom) and hides it

So what I want to say that "covering of mind" is the fundamental concept prevailing in the word Khamr.

Now coming to the point of INTOXICANT.
This word has been derived from Greek word "Toxikon" which means "Poison" so its basic meaning is "Anything which is capable to poison'.But its use has become vast including the use of alcohol and other addicting drugs also .
For example Medical Dorland's dictionary gives the meaning of intoxication :

intoxication (in•tox•i•ca•tion) (in-tok”sĭ-ka´shən) [L. in intensive + Gr. toxikon poison] 1. stimulation, excitement, or stupefaction produced by a chemical substance, or as if by one. 2. substance i., particularly that in which the substance is alcohol (see alcohol i.). 3. poisoning
It gives three different meanings. Among them meaning of Khamr fits only with 2nd meaning which is SUBSTANCE INTOXICATION whose meaning in the same dictionary are given in this manner :
substance i. [DSM-IV] a type of substance-induced disorder comprising reversible, substance-specific, maladaptive behavioral or psychological changes directly resulting from the physiologic effects on the central nervous system of recent ingestion of or exposure to a psychoactive substance. Specific cases are named on the basis of etiology, e.g., alcohol intoxication. DSM-IV recognizes specific syndromes for these drugs: alcohol, amphetamines or related substances, caffeine, cannabis, cocaine, hallucinogens, inhalants, opioids, PCP or related substances, and sedatives, hypnotics, or anxiolytics.
Reference:
http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns...dmd_i_11zPzhtm
If the word Khamr in one meaning of Intoxicant ,does not mean at all that all meaning of intoxicant are applicable to Khamr e.g meaning of POISONING are given in the same dictionary :

Poisoning


akee p. Jamaican vomiting sickness.

aluminum p. the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum or aluminum compounds in the body. In the gastrointestinal tract aluminum inhibits absorption of calcium, fluorides, iron, and phosphates; inhalation of bauxite fumes may cause pulmonary fibrosis (see aluminosis); and aluminum in the bloodstream may lead to neurological symptoms that can be fatal (see dialysis encephalopathy, under encephalopathy).

anticholinergic p. poisoning caused by overdosage with an anticholinergic agent or by ingestion of plants such as jimsonweed that contain belladonna alkaloids. It is characterized by dry mouth, hot, dry, flushed skin, fixed and dilated pupils, sinus tachycardia, urinary retention, disorientation, agitation, impairment of short-term memory, slurred speech, hallucinations, respiratory depression, seizures, and coma; in rare cases death may occur. Treatment is by induced emesis and administration of activated charcoal; physostigmine may be used in severe cases to reverse the anticholinergic effects.

anticoagulant rodenticide p. accidental poisoning of domestic animals or livestock, with death from hemorrhaging, after consuming an anticoagulant rodenticide such as an indanedione or warfarin derivative. They may eat the poison itself or may eat rodents that died from such rodenticides.

antimony p. poisoning due to ingestion of antimony compounds, such as from industrial exposure; the symptoms are similar to those of acute arsenic poisoning, with vomiting a prominent symptom. Called also stibialism.

arsenic p. poisoning due to systemic exposure to inorganic pentavalent arsenic. Acute arsenic poisoning, which may result in shock and death, is marked by erythematous skin eruptions, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, muscular cramps, and swelling of the eyelids, feet, and hands. Chronic arsenic poisoning (called also arsenicalism and arsenism), due to the ingestion of small amounts over a long period of time, is marked by pigmentation of the skin accompanied by scaling, hyperkeratosis of the palms and soles, transverse white lines on the fingernails (Mees' lines), headache, peripheral neuropathy, and confusion.

barium p. poisoning from excessive ingestion of barium or one of its salts, characterized by gastrointestinal symptoms such as stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, followed by severe, sometimes fatal hypokalemia with paralysis.

beryllium p. berylliosis.

bismuth p. poisoning from excessive or chronic ingestion of bismuth or its salts; symptoms include anuria, stomatitis, dermatitis, and diarrhea. Called also bismuthism and bismuthosis.

blister beetle p. cantharidin p.

blood p. septicemia.

blue-green algae p. cyanobacteria p.

bongkrek p. poisoning from bongkrek, a Javanese dish prepared by means of molds from copra press cake. When the fermentation process is faulty, severe poisoning occurs, with vomiting, profuse perspiration, muscle cramps, and coma. Called also tempeh p.

boron p. poisoning of humans or other animals by boron, boric acid, or a borate salt such as sodium borate (borax). Symptoms include weakness, ataxia, tremors, convulsions, and often death.

bracken p. poisoning of animals after eating Pteridium aquilinum (bracken). In monogastric animals it consists of severe intoxication due to enzymatic destruction of thiamine by a thiaminase present in the plant; in ruminants it is apparently due to a dialyzable small molecule that causes bone marrow hypoplasia and eventual death. See also enzootic bovine hematuria, under hematuria.

broom p. poisoning of humans or other animals by ingestion of Cytisus scoparius or other brooms, leguminous shrubs that contain sparteine and cytisine. Characteristics include nausea, vomiting, dizziness, and sometimes clonic convulsions with fatal respiratory paralysis.

buckthorn p. poisoning of humans or other animals that consume the fruit of Karwinskia humboldtiana (buckthorn), which contains a neurotoxin. Demyelination and axonal degeneration occur in peripheral nerves, slowly progressing to muscle weakness, paralysis, and death.

cadmium p. poisoning from excessive ingestion of cadmium or breathing in of its fumes; symptoms include nausea, vomiting, salivation, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and occasionally cardiovascular collapse. Long-term exposure may cause renal disease with tubulopathy and proteinuria.

callistin shellfish p. poisoning caused by ingestion of the gastropod shellfish Callista brevisphonata; an outbreak occurred in Japan in the 1950s. It was believed to be due to a choline present in the ovaries of the shellfish.

cantharidin p. poisoning of horses or ruminants by hay contaminated with blister beetles whose bodies contain cantharidin; signs include hyperemia or erosions of the oral and esophageal mucosa, frequent urination, and sometimes shock and death. Called also blister beetle p. and cantharidism.

carbamate p. poisoning of humans or other animals by exposure to excessive amounts of carbamate insecticides; characteristics include salivation, tremors, dyspnea, and occasionally convulsions.

carbon disulfide p. a condition occurring in workers who excessively inhale fumes of carbon disulfide; characteristics include weakness, sleeplessness, and visual impairment, and sometimes gastric ulcers, encephalopathy, and paralysis.

carbon monoxide p. poisoning due to the inhalation of carbon monoxide and the resulting change of oxyhemoglobin to carboxyhemoglobin (see carboxyhemoglobinemia); it may result in tissue hypoxia, cellular anoxia, damage to the central nervous system, and death.

chronic fluoride p. , chronic fluorine p. fluorosis.

cobalt p. poisoning from long-term excessive exposure to cobalt, seen in those who work with cobalt and formerly in beer drinkers because for years cobalt was added to beer as a foam stabilizer. Symptoms include nausea, vomiting, tinnitus, nerve deafness, and cardiomyopathy (beer-drinkers' cardiomyopathy).

copper p. poisoning by copper or copper salts. In humans it usually follows excessive intake of medicinal cupric sulfate or results from an enzyme deficiency such as Menkes syndrome or Wilson's disease. Characteristics include vomiting, which may be bluegreen, hypotension, jaundice, and coma that may end in death. In animals it is most common in ruminants and pigs after excessive intake of medicinal or fungicidal copper; acute poisoning is characterized by vomiting and convulsions, while chronic poisoning is marked by liver and kidney damage. Chronic buildup of liver copper stores resulting in release of copper into the bloodstream may cause symptoms similar to those of acute poisoning and may be fatal.

corn cockle p. githagism.

cyanide p. poisoning of humans or other animals by cyanide compounds, potent rapid-acting substances that cause cellular hypoxia by formation of an inactive complex of cytochrome oxidase and cyanide. Characteristics include nausea without vomiting, dizziness, convulsions, opisthotonos, and death from respiratory paralysis. The usual cause in livestock and other animals is ingestion of plants containing cyanogenetic compounds (see table). In humans it is usually the result of exposure to hydrogen cyanide liquid or gas that is given off by a fungicide, insecticide, or other substance. Cyanide is detoxified by the liver enzyme thiosulfate sulfurtransferase, which catalyzes the reaction of cyanide with thiosulfate to form thiocyanide.



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cyanobacteria p. poisoning in humans or other animals by cyanobacteria, usually as a result of drinking contaminated water. The most common genera of such bacteria are Anabaena, Aphanizomenon, Gloeotrichia, Microcystis (Anacystis), Nodularia, and Oscillatoria. In most cases it is a subacute condition characterized by liver damage with jaundice and sometimes bloody diarrhea and photosensitization. Drinking of heavily contaminated water may cause acute symptoms including muscle tremors, ataxia, dyspnea, cyanosis, and hyperesthesia so that a slight touch may cause convulsions and opisthotonos, which can be fatal. Called also blue-green algae p.

darnel p. a type of rye grass poisoning of humans or other animals after ingesting the seeds of darnel, Lolium temulentum, probably only when they are contaminated with a mold such as Endoconidium temulentum (see endoconidiotoxicosis); in humans this happens when moldy seeds accidentally contaminate flour. Characteristics include giddiness, staggering, vertigo, vomiting, and visual disturbances.

djenkol bean p. poisoning by the djenkol bean; symptoms vary from lumbar pain, vomiting, and diarrhea to hematuria and proteinuria progressing to anuria and renal failure. Called also djenkolism.

elasmobranch p. a form of ichthyosarcotoxism seen in humans or other animals after ingestion of certain toxic sharks and skates. One type results from eating the muscle tissue of the shark Somniosus microcephalus. Another type is hypervitaminosis A from eating the liver of any of various species.

ergot p. ergotism.

esowasure-gai p. Japanese name for callistin shellfish p.

fish p. ichthyosarcotoxism.

fluoroacetate p. poisoning of humans or other animals by fluoroacetate compounds. Carnivores are affected when they eat small animals that have died from fluoroacetate rodenticides, and ruminants are affected when they eat fluoroacetate-containing plants such as Acacia georginae or species of Dichapetalum, Gastrolobium, Oxylobium, or Palicourea. Poisoning in humans is usually caused by ingestion of rodenticides. Fluoroacetate blocks one of the steps in the tricarboxylic acid cycle, causing symptoms that are often fatal such as neurological problems ranging from ataxia and agitation to convulsions, and heart problems such as severe tachycardia and cardiomyopathy.

food p. a group of illnesses varying in severity from mild and self-limited to life threatening, caused by ingestion of contaminated food or food that is inherently poisonous. Various microorganisms may cause it, the most common being pathogenic bacteria or their products (toxins), e.g., Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus cereus, Campylobacter, Clostridium botulinum, C. perfringens, Escherichia coli, Vibrio cholerae, V. parahaemolyticus, Shigella species, Salmonella species, and Yersinia enterocolitica. Bacterial food poisoning is usually manifested as acute gastroenteritis but may be associated with such syndromes as botulism, typhoid fever, and cholera. Neurologic symptoms can also be caused by food poisoning as a result of ingestion of chemically toxic foods, such as certain mushrooms and berries, or may involve substances such as heavy metals, mercury, or insecticides.

forage p. a type of mycotoxicosis seen in domestic animals, especially horses, resulting from ingestion of food contaminated with a fungus, usually Fusarium moniliforme. It causes neurotoxicity, particularly inflammation or softening of the white matter of the brain, with symptoms such as ataxia, tremor, circling, dimmed vision, drowsiness, and sometimes death. See also moldy corn p. Called also leukoencephalitis, leukoencephalomalacia, mycotoxic leukoencephalomalacia, and sleepy staggers.

fugu p. tetrodotoxism (def. 1).

gossypol p. poisoning from eating cottonseed cake that contains a high proportion of gossypol; most often seen in pigs.

Gymnothorax p. a form of ichthyosarcotoxism produced by ingestion of certain moray eels of the genus Gymnothorax.

heavy metal p. poisoning with any of the heavy metals, particularly antimony, arsenic, cadmium, lead, mercury, thallium, or zinc.

hydrogen sulfide p. poisoning by excessive exposure to hydrogen sulfide gas, seen primarily in those who work with petroleum or petrochemicals. The gas is a potent inhibitor of cytochrome-c oxidase (q.v.) and poisoning is characterized by metabolic acidosis and anoxia; severe cases may result in coma with death from respiratory paralysis.

iodine p. iodism.

iron p. poisoning from ingestion of excessive iron or iron-containing compounds, such as in children who eat iron supplement tablets like candy; symptoms include ulceration of the gastrointestinal tract, vomiting, vasodilation with shock, metabolic acidosis, liver injury, and coagulation disturbances.

larkspur p. poisoning of humans, cattle, or sheep by the fresh leaves and roots of certain species of Delphinium (larkspur), which contain delphinine and other alkaloids. Ingestion sometimes results in instantaneous death, probably from paralysis of the heart, and sometimes causes neurological symptoms of less rapid onset that may also terminate in paralysis and asphyxia.

lead p. poisoning due to the absorption or ingestion of lead or one of its salts. The symptoms include loss of appetite, weight loss, colic, constipation, insomnia, headache, dizziness, irritability, moderate hypertension, albuminuria, anemia, a blue line at the edge of the gums (lead line), encephalopathy (especially in children), and peripheral neuropathy leading to paralysis. Called also plumbism.

loco p. , locoweed p. locoism.

manganese p. poisoning by manganese, usually caused by inhalation of manganese dust. Symptoms include neurotoxicity with a syndrome resembling paralysis agitans, and inflammation throughout the respiratory system; see also manganese pneumonitis, under pneumonitis. Called also manganism.

meat p. acute, often severe gastroenteritis, most often caused by meat contaminated with Bacillus cereus, Clostridium perfringens, invasive Escherichia coli, Salmonella, Staphylococcus aureus, or Yersinia enterocolitica.

mercury p. acute or chronic disease caused by mercury and its salts. The acute form, due to ingestion, is marked by severe abdominalgia, metallic taste in the mouth, vomiting, bloody diarrhea with watery stools, oliguria or anuria (usually at onset), and corrosion and ulceration of the entire digestive tract. The chronic form, due to absorption by the skin and mucous membranes, inhalation of vapors, or ingestion of mercury salts, is marked by stomatitis, metallic taste in the mouth, a blue line along the border of the gum, sore hypertrophied gums that bleed easily, loosening of the teeth, excessive secretion of saliva, tremors and incoordination, and psychiatric symptoms including abnormal excitability, anxiety, and social withdrawal..

milk p. see under sickness.

moldy corn p. forage poisoning occurring when animals eat corn contaminated with the fungus Fusarium moniliforme, which contains toxic fumonisins. Called also cornstalk disease.

molybdenum p. poisoning due to ingestion of large amounts of molybdenum, characterized by weakness, diarrhea, and loss of hair pigmentation; seen primarily in livestock that graze in certain kinds of pastures (see teart). Called also molybdenosis.

mushroom p. poisoning resulting from ingestion of mushrooms; potentially deadly types result from ingestion of Amanita phalloides, A. verna, A. virosa, and species of Chlorophyllum, Galerina, and Lepiota, which contain neurotoxic amatoxins. The clinical course usually begins with nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and diarrhea, followed by a quiescent period of up to 48 hours, and then signs and symptoms of severe hepatic, renal, and central nervous system damage followed by death.

mussel p. see shellfish p.

naphthol p. the toxic condition brought on by the ingestion or absorption through the skin of naphthol, characterized by anemia, jaundice, convulsions, and coma. Called also naphtholism.

neurotoxic shellfish p. see shellfish p.

nicotine p. poisoning by ingestion of excessive amounts of nicotine, such as in children who eat cigarettes, workers who handle wet tobacco leaves, or persons who overuse nicotine gums or patches. Symptoms include stimulation followed by depression of the central and autonomic nervous systems and occasionally death due to respiratory paralysis. See also green tobacco sickness. Called also nicotinism.

nicotine sulfate p. poisoning of lambs or calves by nicotine sulfate, formerly used as a component of vermifuges. Symptoms include tremors, rapid respiration, recumbency, and convulsions; severe cases may end in death.

nitrite p. poisoning of ruminants grazing on nitrate-rich plants; the nitrates break down into nitrites in the body. Plants naturally rich in nitrates include Chenopodium album, Salvia reflexa, and species of Amaranthus. Poisoning can also occur in fields heavily dosed with certain fertilizers (see ammonium nitrate and sodium nitrate). Characteristics include gastroenteritis, diarrhea, potentially fatal methemoglobinemia with anemic anoxia, dyspnea, tremors, and cyanosis.

nitroaniline p. poisoning by nitroaniline, a dye used in paints, inks, and other products, characterized by intense methemoglobinemia.

nutmeg p. severe toxic symptoms produced by ingestion of powdered nutmeg, characterized by narcosis with periods of delirium and excitability.

organophosphorus compound p. poisoning of humans or other animals by excessive exposure to an organophosphorus compound (see table at organophosphorus); it often ends fatally. Humans, sheep, and pigs show primarily neurologic signs such as axonopathy and paralysis; cattle, horses, dogs, and cats more often have ataxia or tremors and diarrhea.

oxalate p. poisoning of humans or other animals by oxalic acid or oxalates, usually by ingesting large quantities of oxalate-containing plants (see table). Characteristics include gastroenteritis, hypotension, hypocalcemia, muscle weakness and twitching, nephrosis, and hyperoxaluria. Called also oxalism.



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oxygen p. see under toxicity.

paraldehyde p. paraldehydism.

paralytic shellfish p. see shellfish p.

paraquat p. poisoning by paraquat that has been either ingested or absorbed through the skin. Contact with concentrated solutions causes irritation of the skin, cracking and shedding of the nails, and delayed healing of cuts and wounds. After ingestion of large doses, potentially fatal renal and hepatic failure may develop, followed by pulmonary insufficiency.

parathyroid p. the increase in metastatic calcification of organs, particularly the kidneys, when a high calcium diet is given a patient with hyperparathyroidism.

phenol p. poisoning due to ingestion or absorption through the skin of phenol; symptoms include colic, local irritation, corrosion, seizures, cardiac arrhythmias, shock, and respiratory arrest. Called also carbolism.

phosphorus p. a condition resulting from ingestion or inhalation of phosphorus, manifested by mandibular necrosis (see phosphorus necrosis), toothache, anorexia, weakness, and anemia.

pitch p. an often fatal disorder of domestic animals or livestock, particularly pigs, after they lick or chew on pitch-containing substances such as the tarred walls and floors of pigpens or clay pigeons used in target practice; characteristics include liver damage, inappetence, depression, weakness, jaundice, and anemia.

puffer p. , puffer fish p. tetrodotoxism (def. 1).

ragwort p. seneciosis.

rodenticide p. accidental poisoning of domestic animals or livestock by the effects of rodenticides, either when they directly eat the poison or when they eat rodents that died from the poison. See also fluoroacetate p. and anticoagulant rodenticide p.

rye grass p. poisoning of an animal or occasionally a human by eating rye grass (genus Lolium), usually consisting of mycotoxicosis when the grass is moldy. Common types are darnel poisoning and rye grass staggers. See also endoconidiotoxicosis.

salmon p. poisoning in canines, other carnivores, or sometimes humans, usually in the Pacific Northwest, from eating raw fish, especially salmon and trout, that are parasitized by the fluke Troglotrema salmincola, which serves as a vector of various rickettsiae. When the etiologic agent is Neorickettsia helminthoeca, animals or humans suffer from hemorrhagic enteritis. A milder form, caused by an unknown rickettsia, is called Elokomin fluke fever.

salt p. poisoning of animals, especially pigs and birds, due to ingestion of too much salt in the absence of available water, marked by excessive thirst, diarrhea, and vomiting, often culminating in death.

saturnine p. lead p.

sausage p. see allantiasis and botulism.

scombroid p. a form of ichthyosarcotoxism caused by the ingestion of a toxic histaminelike substance produced by the action of bacteria on histidine, a normal component of fish flesh. Scombroid fish (tuna, bonito, mackerel, etc.) are particularly susceptible to bacterial decomposition, and when inadequately preserved contaminated fish are eaten the symptoms of the illness, including epigastric pain, nausea, vomiting, headache, dysphagia, thirst, urticaria, and pruritus, develop and usually last for less than 24 hours.

selenium p. poisoning of livestock from grazing on plants that have absorbed excessive selenium from the soil. Areas of selenium-rich soil have been found in the northern Great Plains of North America, Ireland, Israel, China, Russia, and elsewhere. Chronic selenium poisoning (called also alkali disease) is characterized by cirrhosis of the liver, anemia, loss of hair, erosions of long bones, and emaciation. Acute selenium poisoning (called also blind staggers) is characterized by impaired vision, an unsteady gait, and increasing incoordination with respiratory failure and often death within 24 hours. Called also selenosis.



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Senecio p. seneciosis.

shellfish p. an acute intoxication caused by ingestion of bivalve mollusks contaminated with saxitoxin, a neurotoxin secreted by certain dinoflagellates, protozoa that are an important component of marine plankton. The paralytic form is caused by species of Gonyaulax, and is characterized by paresthesias of the mouth, lips, face, and limbs, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea; in rare severe cases muscle weakness or paralysis and respiratory embarrassment and death may occur. The neurotoxic form is milder, self-limited, not associated with paralysis, and caused by species of Gymnodinium.

strychnine p. poisoning by strychnine, which causes excitation of all portions of the central nervous system by blocking postsynaptic inhibition of neural impulses; chronic poisoning is called strychninism and can lead to convulsions, respiratory paralysis, and death.

tempeh p. bongkrek p.

tetrachloroethane p. a form of poisoning in munition workers caused by inhalation of fumes of tetrachloroethane, and marked by toxic jaundice, headache, anorexia, and gastrointestinal disturbance.

tetraodon p. tetrodotoxism (def. 1).

thallium p. poisoning, usually of children or domestic animals, due to ingestion of thallium compounds, marked by alopecia, by a variety of neurologic and psychic symptoms, including ataxia, restlessness, delirium, hallucinations, delusions, semicoma, blindness, and by liver and kidney damage. Called also thallitoxicosis and thallotoxicosis.

TNT p. trinitrotoluene p.

tobacco p. poisoning by tobacco, usually taking the form of nicotine poisoning (q.v.). Called also tabagism and tobaccoism.

trinitrotoluene p. a form of poisoning in munition workers that work with trinitrotoluene, characterized by dermatitis, gastritis with abdominal pain, vomiting, constipation, flatulence, and blood changes. Called also TNT p.

urea p. poisoning of ruminants by excessive consumption of urea, leading to hyperammonemia with tremors, incoordination, dyspnea, convulsions, and sometimes death.

whelk p. poisoning caused by ingestion of whelks that contain whelk poison (q.v.); characterized by intense headache, dizziness, nausea, and vomiting.

zinc p. that due to exposure to toxic levels of zinc. Inhalation of freshly oxidized zinc or zinc oxide fumes, as by metal workers, causes metal fume fever (q.v.). Ingestion of high levels of zinc causes gastrointestinal irritation and vomiting, and if chronic can cause hypocupremia, sideroblastic anemia, and neutropenia. Called also zincalism
QUESTION :Will you include all these meaning under Khamr ? making the logic of Khamr ----------> intoxicant----------> Poison -------------> all the above mentioned substances??
How many of them obstund the mind ? which is root meaning of Khamr

As far as definition of Poisoning is concerned in medical books it is written " Poison in small quantity is a medicine and medicine in large quantity is a poison"

ANOTHER PROOF:
Put the word "Poison" in any English to Arabic Dictionary and see if word Khamr pops up as its meaning.You will not find it .I have used

N N
سم, سم الثعبان, زعاف سم
V V
سمم, فسد, قتل بالسم, سم
Ref:
http://online.ectaco.co.uk/main.jsp;...source=+poison

Poison (n) = سمّ
Poison (vt) = يسمّم,يفسد
Poisonous (adj) = سامّ,خطر,مؤذ
Ref: Al-mawrid ul Qareeb.
Do you see Khamr as a meaning of poisoning ?
Mabrook
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Woodrow
06-24-2007, 02:21 AM
:w:

Looking further I find that in Surah 5-90 Khamar is translated as intoxicant and in 2-219 it is translated as wine.

Here is a page of a commentary Read Note 240



Which concludes that by transference Khamar can mean any intoxicating drink

Now re looking at the English definitions that while Intoxicant can mean poison it does not require that intoxicant mean poison. So my conclusion is that there is no indication that khamar was intended to mean poison.
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