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NobleMuslimUK
06-21-2007, 10:49 PM
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The situation in Iraq is worsening, its clear the Iraqi's dont want foreign troops occupying their lands. I dont think we are being told the truth on how many civilians are being killed or how many occupying troops.

Insurgents in Iraq have killed 14 US soldiers in just two days, the US military has announced.

Twelve died in four attacks in Baghdad, officials said, where a four-month-old military "surge" has now reached its peak with some 160,000 troops deployed.

The US has also said it killed dozens of insurgents on the first two days of a major operation north of Baghdad.

Elsewhere at least 15 people died and 40 others were hurt in a suicide truck bomb attack in northern Iraq.

The attack in Suleiman Beg, 90km (55 miles) south of Kirkuk, destroyed part of a local council office and several nearby homes.

The casualties included several women and children, hospital officials said.

Insurgents 'will respond'

The latest round of attacks on US forces raised the numbers of Americans killed in June to 59, the AFP news agency reported.

In the worst incident, five soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb in north-eastern Baghdad on Thursday. That attack also killed three Iraqi civilians and an Iraqi interpreter, the US said.


Gen David Petraeus
[Al-Qaeda in Iraq] wanted to make sure that the headlines about the launch of the offensive don't create too much hope
Gen David Petraeus

Four died in another bomb attack in the west of the city on Wednesday, with three others killed in two more strikes. Two more soldiers were killed by a bomb in the western province of Anbar.

Earlier, the commander of US forces in Iraq said he expected al-Qaeda in Iraq to respond to the military build-up around Baghdad with one of its own.

In an interview with a British newspaper, Gen David Petraeus said the truck bomb attack on an important Shia mosque in Baghdad that killed at least 78 people on Tuesday was an example of this.

"They wanted to make sure that the headlines about the launch of the offensive don't create too much hope," he told The Times.

Gen Petraeus also said up to 80 al-Qaeda volunteers were crossing into Iraq from Syria every month, all of them seen as potential suicide bombers.

Gen Petraeus also said he believed a group which kidnapped five Britons - a computer expert and his four bodyguards - in Baghdad last month had links to Iran.

He said the kidnappers were part of a secret cell of the Mehdi Army, a militia loyal to the radical Shia cleric, Moqtada Sadr.

"They are not rank-and-file Jaish al-Mehdi. They are trained in Iran, equipped with Iranian [weapons], and advised by Iran," he added.

Tehran has denied supporting militant groups in Iraq.

US offensive continues

Gen Petraeus's comments came after his forces conducted several different operations against al-Qaeda and other insurgent strongholds on the outskirts of Baghdad.

Soldiers from the 3rd Stryker Brigade Combat Team in Baquba on 19 June 2007 (Image: US Army Sgt Armando Monroig, 5th Mobile Public Affairs Detachment)
Operation Arrowhead Ripper began on Tuesday

The BBC's Andrew North in Baghdad says US commanders believe these "belt areas", as they call them, are where many of the car bombs set off in the capital are made.

Heavy fighting has been reported in Baquba, a city in Diyala Province, where US and Iraqi forces are conducting the largest offensive.

The US military says at least 41 insurgents have been killed in the first two days of Operation Arrowhead Ripper, but local officials say there have also been civilian deaths.

Operations have also been launched against Sunni militants south of Baghdad.

Troops reportedly destroyed 17 boats believed to have been used by insurgents along the River Tigris and detained at least 60 people.

There have also been intense clashes in the southern cities of Nasiriya and Diwaniya between coalition forces and Shia militias.
Source http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6226910.stm
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The_Prince
06-23-2007, 02:54 PM
7 more marines were killed today as well:

By BUSHRA JUHI, Associated Press Writer
12 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - Roadside bombs killed seven American troops in Iraq on Saturday, including four in a single strike outside Baghdad, the military said, as U.S. and Iraqi troops captured two senior al-Qaida militants in Diyala province.

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Separately, a predawn operation by U.S. forces working with Iraqi informants in Baghdad's main Shiite district of Sadr City netted three other militants suspected of ties to Iran, the military said.

The Americans have accused Iran of providing mainly Shiite militias with training and powerful roadside bombs known as explosively formed projectiles, or EFPs, that have killed hundreds of U.S. troops in recent months.

Roadside bombs, including EFPs and other makeshift devices used by Sunni and Shiite militants alike, are the No. 1 killer of foreign troops in Iraq and Saturday's deaths were no exception.

Roadside bombs killed four soldiers northwest of the capital, a U.S. airman in Tikrit, and two U.S. soldiers in eastern Baghdad whose unit has recently targeted bomb networks. In addition, a British soldier died Saturday of wounds from a roadside bombing the day before in the southern city of Basra.

The announcement of the capture of two senior al-Qaida members in Diyala province came after concerns were raised that much of the terror organization's local leadership fled before a major U.S. military crackdown began on Monday.

The U.S. ground forces commander, Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, has said Baqouba's al-Qaida leadership learned about the American advance beforehand and fled before the Americans moved in.

Iraqi Maj. Gen. Abdul Karim al-Rubaie said the suspects were transferred to Baghdad, but he provided no more information about their identities. Seven other suspected al-Qaida fighters were arrested in the center of Baqouba, and 30 hostages were released from a prison elsewhere in the provincial capital, al-Rubaie said.

The U.S. military said earlier Saturday that at least 55 al-Qaida operatives have been killed and 23 detained since the start of Operation Arrowhead Ripper. It also said 16 weapons caches have been discovered, and 28 roadside bombs and 12 booby-trapped structures have been destroyed.

Earlier this week, creeping house-to-house through western Baqouba, U.S. soldiers made a startling discovery: a suspected al-Qaida field hospital stocked with oxygen tanks, heart defibrillators and other medical equipment.

The find displayed al-Qaida's sophisticated support network in Baqouba, a mostly Sunni city of about 300,000 people.

Baqouba has received little aid or other services from the central government, which feared supplies would end up with al-Qaida. As the field hospital proved, much assistance did end up bypassing residents and found its way to the terrorist organization.

"There are a multitude of systematic functions that aren't working," said Maj. Robbie Parke, 36, spokesman for the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division. "The Iraqi government has to say, `Look, Baqouba is in trouble, and we need to help.'"

So far that has not happened, U.S. officials say. But there are signs of hope.

"The (Iraqi) government is very immature, but they're getting better and saying the right things. We've got to hold them to that," said Odierno, the ground forces commander.

He spoke to AP during a trip to Baqouba on Thursday as American forces began in earnest to squeeze al-Qaida, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militiamen after the arrival of the final brigade of an additional 30,000 troops dispatched by President Bush.

(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070623/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq)
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Trumble
06-23-2007, 03:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
:sl:
The situation in Iraq is worsening, its clear the Iraqi's dont want foreign troops occupying their lands.
It has nothing to do with "occupying lands" :rollseyes . I note you didn't comment on this story, for example; 78 killed in Iraq mosque bombing

In the post-Saddam era it's a battle for power between various factions of Iraqis, not to mention Islamists from outside Iraq. The only question is whether the withdrawl of foreign troops would make things better or worse.
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NobleMuslimUK
06-23-2007, 11:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
It has nothing to do with "occupying lands" :rollseyes . I note you didn't comment on this story, for example; 78 killed in Iraq mosque bombing

In the post-Saddam era it's a battle for power between various factions of Iraqis, not to mention Islamists from outside Iraq. The only question is whether the withdrawl of foreign troops would make things better or worse.
The occupying forces clearly made things worse, when you occupy people's lands, destroy their homes, kill their loved ones, subject them to torture, rape all the bad stuff on top of that call them terrorists and steal their natural resources while your at it. What do you expect, they will rejoice the fact they kill so much of the enemy in return.

Your claim is the troops are there to keep peace or liberate Iraqis and fight terrorists, yet all the above mentioned and more so that they subject the Iraqis to, I think its better they leave as soon as possible that will be the best solution for everyone.
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Joe98
06-24-2007, 12:02 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK
I think its better they leave as soon as possible that will be the best solution for everyone.
No. Everybody knows how Muslims think. If the US left Iraq now, Muslims would require revenge for all the dead Muslims killed by the insurgents.

This revenge would be in the form of suicide bombs in New York.

If the US stays in Iraq, the suicide bombers will stay there too.
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NobleMuslimUK
06-24-2007, 12:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98
No. Everybody knows how Muslims think. If the US left Iraq now, Muslims would require revenge for all the dead Muslims killed by the insurgents.

This revenge would be in the form of suicide bombs in New York.

If the US stays in Iraq, the suicide bombers will stay there too.
Have you even bothered reading the main headlines, how many Americans have died recently, we want bloodshed to stop too on both sides.
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wilberhum
06-25-2007, 10:56 PM
Who wants peace?
Iraqi tribal leaders killed in blast at peace talks
http://beta.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast...ain/index.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A suicide bomber detonated his explosives inside a busy central Baghdad hotel, killing at least 12 people -- most of them Sunni and Shiite tribal leaders who were meeting as part of Iraq's reconciliation effort.
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Joe98
06-25-2007, 11:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by NobleMuslimUK

…….comment on this story, for example; 78 killed in Iraq mosque bombing…….

What do you expect, they will rejoice the fact they kill so much of the enemy in return.

:rollseyes
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NobleMuslimUK
06-26-2007, 11:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
Who wants peace?
Iraqi tribal leaders killed in blast at peace talks
http://beta.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast...ain/index.html
Pfft like CNN news is at all reliable....
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barney
06-26-2007, 11:56 PM
Yup, If CNN report it ...it just diddnt happen. They make all of this up.
True fact.
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Keltoi
06-27-2007, 12:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by barney
Yup, If CNN report it ...it just diddnt happen. They make all of this up.
True fact.
Yeah, I don't know about you, but I've found "informationclearinghouse" to be a much more reliable and unbiased source for information. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS, BBC, Al-Jazeera, etc are all minions of the U.S. and the Zionist cabal which rules the world from their secret bunker in Antarctica. :thumbs_up
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barney
06-27-2007, 12:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
Yeah, I don't know about you, but I've found "informationclearinghouse" to be a much more reliable and unbiased source for information. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS, BBC, Al-Jazeera, etc are all minions of the U.S. and the Zionist cabal which rules the world from their secret bunker in Antarctica. :thumbs_up
Hannah Barbara made Tom and Jerry in order to promote sympathy with the jews, (according to a Iranian minister).

But regardless, It's interesting that a effective attack on US troops appears here in the blink of an eye, yet the mass bombings of civilians in that country are ignored (because its done by muslims). The only civilian deaths that flag up are the Mistargeted strikes and crossfire by the Coalition. Which equates to less than 2% of civilan deaths.
Swallowing Camels and straining out mustard seeds.
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