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nevesirth
06-22-2007, 08:45 AM
how come its haram 2 have dogs while its ok to have cats? correct me if my statement is wrong.

shukran!!!!!!!!
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vpb
06-22-2007, 08:49 AM
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a sheperd can use the dog, or if you hunt , then you can have a dog.

I don't know why it is haram !!. but certainly cats are much cleaner than dogs.

and also bro, what's the importance of knowing "why is it haram" ??? Usually we don't ask for something why is it haram.
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.:Umniyah:.
06-22-2007, 08:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
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and also bro, what's the importance of knowing "why is it haram" ??? Usually we don't ask for something why is it haram.
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Bro, We are suppose to know why we believe what we believe, and why we do, or dont do things. Its how you learn. It's a part of seeking knowledge.

What you aren't suppose to do is disagree with what Allah has made haraam and halal , ONCE you understand it.

Wa Allahu 3lim.

to the orginal poster, i dont have the proof, but youre right about it being haraam. The angels wont enter into the house which has a dog in it. The black dog is the shaytaan too.
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nevesirth
06-22-2007, 08:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
:sl:

a sheperd can use the dog, or if you hunt , then you can have a dog.

I don't know why it is haram !!. but certainly cats are much cleaner than dogs.

and also bro, what's the importance of knowing "why is it haram" ??? Usually we don't ask for something why is it haram.
well, i feel i need 2 know because i have two dogs, a rotweiler and an alsatian. i keep them for security purpose, they are guard dogs and they have been very useful in fending of intruders. a cat can never do such work.
disposing of them will only leave my house open and vulnerable to attacks from outside.
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nevesirth
06-22-2007, 08:56 AM
one more thing, my dogs are very clean cuz they are bathed very often!!!!!!!!
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vpb
06-22-2007, 08:57 AM
well, i feel i need 2 know because i have two dogs, a rotweiler and an alsatian. i keep them for security purpose, they are guard dogs and they have been very useful in fending of intruders. a cat can never do such work.
disposing of them will only leave my house open and vulnerable to attacks from outside.
dogs cannot stop anything nowdays. they might scare a 10 year old thief, but no professional ones.
My friend is very pious muslim, and since he had the dog when he started practicing Islam, he keeps the dog outside.
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vpb
06-22-2007, 08:59 AM
one more thing, my dogs are very clean cuz they are bathed very often!!!!!!!!
I think it's not about the dog's skin, but about his mouth, the drool.

Bro, We are suppose to know why we believe what we believe, and why we do, or dont do things. Its how you learn. It's a part of seeking knowledge.
yes, but u don't ask for every single thing.
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nevesirth
06-22-2007, 09:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
:sl:

a sheperd can use the dog, or if you hunt , then you can have a dog.

I don't know why it is haram !!. but certainly cats are much cleaner than dogs.

and also bro, what's the importance of knowing "why is it haram" ??? Usually we don't ask for something why is it haram.
if a shephard can use dogs then i feel its ok for someone to use them as guards because in both cases they are used to serve a utility purpose.
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.:Umniyah:.
06-22-2007, 09:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by nevesirth
well, i feel i need 2 know because i have two dogs, a rotweiler and an alsatian. i keep them for security purpose, they are guard dogs and they have been very useful in fending of intruders. a cat can never do such work.
disposing of them will only leave my house open and vulnerable to attacks from outside.
I shall find the proof for you InshaaAllah. But dogs ARE allowed as guard dogs. And to guard flock. InshaaAllah i'll get back to you as soon as i can.

Also, even with them as guard dogs , they must stay outside, they arent allowed to be in your house and all that.
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Strzelecki
06-22-2007, 09:03 AM
I think I read somewhere it's all good if they're kept outside. Although, not sure if the source was reliable...Or if I even read it. [Could be dreaming it up...]
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nevesirth
06-22-2007, 09:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
dogs cannot stop anything nowdays. they might scare a 10 year old thief, but no professional ones.
My friend is very pious muslim, and since he had the dog when he started practicing Islam, he keeps the dog outside.
the truth is tht my dogs hv helped in scaring off alot of intruders, my neighbours who dont have dogs hv been robbed alot of times, but the robbers always pass by my house i think because they see the dogs as trouble.

and another thing, my dogs are kept outside the house, they have their cages and are only released at night!!!!!!!!!
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vpb
06-22-2007, 09:07 AM
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the truth is tht my dogs hv helped in scaring off alot of intruders, my neighbours who dont have dogs hv been robbed alot of times, but the robbers always pass by my house i think because they see the dogs as trouble.

and another thing, my dogs are kept outside the house, they have their cages and are only released at night!!!!!!!!!
I can;t say anything, cuz I don't know much about ruling of keeping dog in Islam.
but as Umnyiah said, she will inshAallah provide u with information.
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skhalid
06-22-2007, 09:29 AM
Dogs are seen as najis (unclean) that is why they are haram...although their are acceptions, such as a shepard dog or a trained dog for those who are blind and even for sense of security...hope that helps :)
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Pk_#2
06-22-2007, 12:32 PM
AsalamuALaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Wa Maghfiratuh,

"Angels do not enter a house in which there are dogs or pictures."

Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is the loss of one or two qiraats from one's hasanat (good deeds) each day. An exception is made for keeping dogs for hunting or guarding.

`Abdullah ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Whoever keeps a dog, except a dog for herding livestock or a dog that is trained for hunting, will have two qiraats deducted from his reward each day" (Al-Bukhari and Muslim).
However, taking a dog only as a pet is forbidden in Islam and doing so has a lot of harms. According to the authentic hadith, "It would decrease his good deeds by the equivalent of one piece of land" (Muslim).

Treat them well though: And Allaah indeed forgave one prostitute from the Jews who showed mercy to a dog that was dying from thirst. She filled her shoe with water and then taking hold of the dogs mouth, she gave it the water to drink. So Allaah was thankful to her for what she did and forgave her sins.
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Karina
06-22-2007, 02:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by skhalid
Dogs are seen as najis (unclean) that is why they are haram...although their are acceptions, such as a shepard dog or a trained dog for those who are blind and even for sense of security...hope that helps :)
Please could you quote from the Qu'ran where it authorizes the use of "Guide Dogs for the Blind"? :confused:
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Karina
06-22-2007, 05:38 PM
Please could you quote from the Qu'ran where it authorizes the use of "Guide Dogs for the Blind"?
Anyone? :-\
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- Qatada -
06-22-2007, 05:40 PM
Is it permissible to keep a dog for purposes other than those mentioned above?


The answer is: yes.


Imam al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
There was a difference of opinion with regard to whether it is permissible to keep dogs for purposes other than these three, such as guarding houses and roads. The most correct view is that it is permissible, by analogy with these three, based on the reason that is to be understood from the hadeeth, which is necessity. End quote.

Sharh Muslim (10/236)


Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth also includes keeping dogs if there is a purpose in doing so and for warding off harm, if a person needs that. End quote.

Al-Tamheed (14/219)



For this woman to keep a trained dog – when there is no one who can help her, take care of her and protect her – is more essential than guarding fields and livestock.


http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=78353&ln=eng&txt=
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smile
06-22-2007, 06:53 PM
...that's why I have fish lol
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AllahoAkbar
06-22-2007, 09:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by buriedaway_4536
I think I read somewhere it's all good if they're kept outside. Although, not sure if the source was reliable...Or if I read even read it. [Could be dreaming it up...]

the dogs drool isnt good....but i think that its also suposed to remain a certain distance away from the house:-\ not to sure but thats wat i've heard. salam
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MusLiM 4 LiFe
06-22-2007, 10:04 PM
im sorry buh dogs make me sick +o( eww why wud u want sumfin like dat livin wit u :? i dnt get it
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Salaam
06-22-2007, 10:25 PM
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Ruling on having a dog
Question:
ALSALAAM ALAIKUM

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT KEEPING PETS IN THE HOUSE.I KNOW THAT THE KALB(DOG)IS CONSIDERED NIJASA, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY.

I REMEMBER A SECTION IN THE Qur'an WHERE THE PROPHET PEACE BE UPON HIM ONCE GAVE A THIRSTY DOG WATER TO DRINK OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

COULD YOU PLEASE ELABORATE.

THANK YOU


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

According to Islaamic Sharee’ah, it is not permitted to keep a dog except within narrowly-defined limits, as the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained: "Whoever keeps a dog, his good deeds will decrease every day by one qeeraat (a unit of measurement), unless it is a dog for farming or herding." According to another report: ". . . unless it is a dog for herding sheep, farming or hunting." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, 2322)

Dogs are extremely naajis (impure, unclean). The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "If a dog drinks from the vessel of any one of you, let him wash it seven times" (reported by Muslim, no. 279). According to another report: ". . . and clean it the eighth time with earth." (Saheeh Muslim, no. 280).

It is forbidden in Islaam to sell a dog and to receive payment for it, as is reported in Saheeh al-Bukhaari from Abu Mas’oud al-Ansaari: the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade (accepting) the price of a dog. (al-Fath, no. 2237)

The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us not to resemble dogs by placing our forearms on the ground during sujood (prostration), as in reported in the hadeeth narrated by Anas ibn Maalik, according to which the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Do sujood properly; none of you should spread his forearms like a dog does." (al-Bukhaari, Fath, no. 822).

Whoever keeps a dog in his house is denied the blessing of the angels’ presence in his house, as the Messenger of Allaah

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3225).

Keeping dogs nowadays is the habit of the kuffaar, who adopt them as friends, kiss them, let them lick them and their clothes, sleep with them and even leave them money in their wills. Keeping a dog is an imitation of the kuffaar. Some Muslims may claim that they need to keep a dog at home for purposes of protection, to which we respond that nowadays there are burglar alarm systems and other measures one may take for security purposes, and there is no need to keep a dog, praise be to Allaah.

It only remains for us to say that the fact that it is forbidden to keep a dog and interect closely with it does not mean that we should not be kind or feel compassion towards dogs if we see them in a pitiful state. These are two entirely separate matters. The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that "a man saw a dog biting the dust because of thirst, so he took his shoe and started to scoop water up with it until the dog’s thirst was quenched. Allaah appreciated his good deed and granted him entry to Paradise for it." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, no. 174).
According to another report, the Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whilst a man was walking he became very thirsty, so he went down to a well and drank from it. When he came out, he saw a dog panting and biting the soil because of thirst. The man said, ‘He is suffering the same as I suffered,’ so he filled his shoe (with water), came out and let the dog drink until his thirst was quenched. Allaah appreciated his good deed and forgave him because of it." The people asked, "O Messenger of Allaah, will we be rewarded for how we treat animals?" He said, "In every living thing there is a reward." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath, no. 2363).

We do not want to omit reminding you of the importance of reading the Qur’aan properly and referring to it. You say in your question that the story of the thirsty dog is in the Qur’aan, and that is not the case, as it is reported in the Sunnah.

And Allaah knows best
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Fatwa Taken from www.islamqa.com
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itsme
06-23-2007, 07:13 AM
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Keeping Dogs Without Necessity

Keeping dogs inside the house without any necessity merely as pets was forbidden by the Prophet (peace be on him). When we observe how lavishly the well-to-do treat their dogs while despising their relatives, and how much attention they give their dogs while neglecting their neighbors, we realize the wisdom of this prohibition. Moreover, the presence of a dog makes the household utensils unhygienic due to their licking of them. The Prophet (peace be on him) said,
"If a dog licks a plate (or pot), clean it seven times, of which one time should be with sand (or earth)." (Reported by Bukhari)
Some scholars are of the opinion that the reason for prohibiting the keeping of dogs may be because they bark at visitors, scare away the needy who come to ask for charity, and chase and try to bite passers-by.
The Prophet (peace be on him) said,
Jibril came to me and said, ‘I came to you yesterday but what stopped me from entering was that there was a statue at the door, a curtain with figures on it in the house, and a dog inside the house. So order that the head of the statue be broken off so that it resembles the trunk of tree, that the curtain be cut and made into two pillows to recline on, and that the dog be taken out.’
This prohibition is limited to keeping dogs without need or benefit.

The Findings of Scientific Research Relative to Keeping Dogs (translated from the German magazine Kosinos)

Some lovers of the West in Muslim countries claim to be full of love and compassion for all living creatures and they wonder why Islam warns against this "best friend" of man. For their benefit, we quote here a lengthy excerpt from an article by the German scientist, Dr Gerard Finstimer, in which the author sheds light on the dangers to human health resulting from keeping dogs or coming in contact with them. He says:
The increasing interest shown by many people in recent times in keeping dogs as pets has compelled us to draw public attention to the dangers which result from this, especially because pet dogs are hugged and kissed and permitted to lick the hands of the young and the old, and what is worse, to lick the plates and utensils which are used by human beings for eating and drinking.
Besides being unhygienic and uncouth, this practice is bad manners and abhorrent to good taste. However, we are not concerned with such matters, leaving them to be addressed by teachers of etiquette and good taste.
Rather this article is intended to present some scientific observations.
From the medical point of view, which is our main concern here, the hazards to human health and life from keeping and playing with dogs are not to be ignored. Many people have paid a high price for their ignorance, as the tapeworm carried by dogs is a cause of chronic disease, sometimes resulting in death.
This worm is found in man, in cattle, and in pigs, but it is found in fully-developed form only in dogs, wolves and rarely in cats. These worms differ from others in that they are minute and invisible, consequently, they were not discovered until very recently.

He continues,
Biologically the developmental process of this worm has some unique characteristics. In the lesions caused by them, one worm gives rise to many heads which spread and form other and varied kinds of lesions and abscesses. These heads develop into full-grown worms only in dogs’ tonsils. In humans and in other animals they appear as lesions and abscesses completely different from the tapeworm itself. In animals the size of an abscess may reach that of an apple, while the liver of the infected animal may grow from five to ten times its normal size. In human beings the size of the abscess may reach that of a clenched fist or even the head of an infant; it is filled with yellow fluid weighing from ten to twenty pounds. In the infected human it may cause diverse kinds of inflammations in the lungs, muscles, spleen, kidneys, and brain, and appears in such different forms that specialists, until very recently, had difficulty in recognizing it.
In any case, wherever this inflammation is found, it poses great danger to the health and life of the patient. What is worse is that, in spite of our knowledge of its life history, origin, and development, we have not been able to devise a cure for it, except that in some instances these parasites die out, possibly because of antibodies produced in the human body. Unfortunately, cases in which such parasites die without causing damage are rare indeed. Moreover, chemotherapy has failed to produce any benefit, and the usual treatment is surgical removal of the abscessed parts of the body. For all these reasons we should use all possible resources to fight against this dreadful disease and save man from its dangers.
Professor Noeller, through post-mortem dissection of human bodies in Germany, found that the incidence of infection with dogs' worms is at least one percent. In some places such as Dalmatia, Iceland, southeastern Australia, and Holland, where dogs are used for pulling sleds, the incidence rate of tapeworm among dogs is 12 percent. In Iceland the number of people who suffer from the inflammation caused by this worm has reached the rate of 43 percent. If we add to this the human suffering, the loss of meat because of infection of cattle, and the permanent danger to human health because of the presence of tapeworms, we cannot be very complacent toward this problem.
Perhaps the best way to combat the problem is to limit the worms to dogs and not let them spread, since in actuality we need to keep some dogs. We should not neglect to treat dogs when necessary by getting rid of the tapeworms in their tonsils and perhaps repeating this process periodically on shepherd dogs and watch¬dogs.
Man can protect his life and health by keeping a safe distance from dogs. He should not hug them, play with them, or let them come close to children. Children should be taught not to play with dogs or to fondle them. Dogs should not be permitted to lick children's hands or come to places where they play. Unfortunately, dogs are allowed to roam about everywhere, especially in places where children play, and their bowls are scattered throughout the house. Dogs must have their own separate bowls, and they must not be allowed to lick bowls and plates used by humans. They should not be allowed inside grocery stores, restaurants, or marketplaces. In general, great care must be taken that they do not come in contact with anything which is used by people for eating and drinking.

We already know that the Prophet (peace be on him) forbade mixing with dogs, and that he warned against their licking plates and against keeping them without necessity. How is it possible that the teachings of an unlettered Arab, Muhammad, should agree with the latest findings of scientific research? Truly, we cannot say anything except to repeat the words of the Qur'an:
Nor does he speak from (his own) desire. It is nothing other than a revelation sent down. (53:3-4)

Source: The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam, by Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, pg 120-125
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Karina
07-01-2007, 01:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Karina
Anyone? :-\

ok so this is now the third time and last time i have asked....?? can anyone shed some light on this???? :enough!: :enough!: :enough!:
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vpb
07-01-2007, 01:19 AM
ok so this is now the third time and last time i have asked....?? can anyone shed some light on this???? enough&#3721 -

look at the posts up, scholars have talked about that issue.
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Yanal
07-01-2007, 01:39 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AllahoAkbar
the dogs drool isnt good....but i think that its also suposed to remain a certain distance away from the house:-\ not to sure but thats wat i've heard. salam
Asalam alkum yeh thats what i heard too
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ranma1/2
07-01-2007, 03:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by .:Umniyah:.
:sl:
..... The black dog is the shaytaan too.

Aww.. i didnt know Shaytaan "satan?" was so cute a furry and friendly. Not to mention in mulitple places at once.

So why do angles not enter homes with dogs? Dogphobic?
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Karina
07-01-2007, 11:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
look at the posts up, scholars have talked about that issue.
Please would you provide me with a link or some further info??
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vpb
07-01-2007, 11:42 AM
Please would you provide me with a link or some further info??
The articles are above.
but I'll just quote one:

Is it permissible to keep a dog for purposes other than those mentioned above?


The answer is: yes.


Imam al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
There was a difference of opinion with regard to whether it is permissible to keep dogs for purposes other than these three, such as guarding houses and roads. The most correct view is that it is permissible, by analogy with these three, based on the reason that is to be understood from the hadeeth, which is necessity. End quote.

Sharh Muslim (10/236)


Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth also includes keeping dogs if there is a purpose in doing so and for warding off harm, if a person needs that. End quote.

Al-Tamheed (14/219)



For this woman to keep a trained dog – when there is no one who can help her, take care of her and protect her – is more essential than guarding fields and livestock.


http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=78353&ln=eng&txt=
Rulings sometimes in Islam come from Ijtihad, so scholars do ijtihad on issues which there is no direct verse about it. Also if there is a consensus between scholars, then there is no doubt about the ruling, bc Allah swt said that he doesn't send majority of scholars to dalalat (it means that if scholars come to consensus about something, they can't be wrong.)

P.S: Ijtihad (Arabic اجتهاد) is a technical term of Islamic law that describes the process of making a legal decision by independent interpretation of the legal sources, the Qur'an and the Sunnah.
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Malaikah
07-01-2007, 11:48 AM
Karina, there is nothing in the Quran explicitly saying that guide dogs are allowed.

Scholars have allowed it based on analogy. The following hadith (see below) shows that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) allowed the keeping of dogs for "guarding the fields or herding livestock". The principle is that the keeping of dogs was permitted in this case because of a need- only dogs could do perform these acts.

So, by analogy, keeping dogs would be allowed when there is a serious need for them. This included guide dogs.

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever keeps a dog, a qiraat will be deducted from his reward every day, except a dog for guarding the fields or herding livestock.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2197) and Muslim (1575).

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=78353&ln=eng


As for the original post, can't you install a security alarm thing? Also, isn't it cruel to leave the dogs locked up all day?? Surely they need to run around? Animal cruelty is not allowed in Islam.
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doorster
07-01-2007, 02:34 PM
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angles do not enter homes with dogs
Is that why The ahl al-kahf stayed asleep and trapped for so long?


:w:

Btw how do people with guide dogs get around that bit [angles do not enter homes with dogs]?
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