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dilkadr
06-24-2007, 08:01 PM
All dear friends here:sl: !!!

I am interested in learning about how Muslims are living in different parts of world.

How they manage to meet their local customs while not crossing the sober limits of Islam.

Hope to have a rich and full of information discussion here.

Fee Amman Allah
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moedot7
06-24-2007, 09:21 PM
Im from East London (UK) and to be honest, its not very hard living here as a Muslim. i have never had a problem before, and inshallah i wont have. i think its more based on just the colour of the skin and not religion here in East London
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Woodrow
06-24-2007, 09:38 PM
:w:

I'm a fairly new revert. So I can say I have lived on both sides of the street. Since I have reverted I have lived in 3 different Towns/Cities in Texas.

When I first reverted I lived in Tennesee Colony, TX. There were only 2 Muslims in the town, Myself (a Revert) and a Man from Pakistan, who I met shortly after I reverted.

For a short period of time I lived in Palestine, TX (Yes, there is a city named Palestine in Texas) I did not know or meet any Muslims there.

During the times I was living in those 2 towns I went to one of the Masjids in Tyler. Tyler has a reasonably large Muslim population and there is very much cooperation between Muslims and non Muslims. All of the Muslims I met in Tyler worked in professional capacities. A few are active in the city government and serve on the city council. I saw no problems and I would say that the Muslims in Tyler are more economicaly advantaged than the average Tyler resident.

I have now been in Austin for a little over a year. Here it is very obvious that the average income of the typical Muslim is higher than that of the average non-Muslim resident. There are at least 6,000 Muslims here and for all practical purposes they are all either college professors, business owners, or in the medical field. Quite a few of the Doctors here are Muslim. Again the conditions and tolerance between Muslim/Non-Muslim is very good.
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Woodrow
06-24-2007, 09:48 PM
I should have added more about the ability to live as a Muslim. One thing has to be noted. Tyler, Palestine, and Tennessee Colony are dry towns in Texas in which there is no sale of alcohol or highly regulated sale. It is illegal to sell in both Tyler and Tennessee Colony. In Palestine the sale is highly restricted and limited to just a few stores. Drinking in public is illegal in Texas. In The 2 towns above there is very few haram activities blatantly exhibited. There are stiff laws governing public decency and restricted sale of anything that could be considered pornography.

Austin is a bit different there are some Bars and night clubs in the downtown section. But Austin is very spread out and many of the housing areas are very restricted as to what activites are permitted. A Muslim has no trouble finding an area that will not interfer with our life style and choices.
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nevesirth
06-24-2007, 09:56 PM
where i live, being muslim means u get called a terrorist all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:22 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
I should have added more about the ability to live as a Muslim. One thing has to be noted. Tyler, Palestine, and Tennessee Colony are dry towns in Texas in which there is no sale of alcohol or highly regulated sale. It is illegal to sell in both Tyler and Tennessee Colony. In Palestine the sale is highly restricted and limited to just a few stores. Drinking in public is illegal in Texas. In The 2 towns above there is very few haram activities blatantly exhibited. There are stiff laws governing public decency and restricted sale of anything that could be considered pornography.

Austin is a bit different there are some Bars and night clubs in the downtown section. But Austin is very spread out and many of the housing areas are very restricted as to what activites are permitted. A Muslim has no trouble finding an area that will not interfer with our life style and choices.
First of All Congratulations on your embrasing Islam, May Allah Help you and Pleased with you.

Secondly, thanks a lot for the detailed reply.

My recent focus is on Riba (Loan Sharking sort for money landing and most of the banking business)

What are you observations about these things.

Here, riba is everywhere and people are searching for riba free financial services.

Expect your detailed reply again.
Fee Amman Allah
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally Posted by nevesirth
where i live, being muslim means u get called a terrorist all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
then it is more important to know about your location??? you can share it will other if you like to do so. If you do not like to tell then no body forces you to tell.

Fee Amman Allah
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Woodrow
06-25-2007, 10:35 AM
:sl:

A lot of that will depend on where you live. Riba is the most prominant and most common method available for most people Muslim and non-Muslim for most items.

Here in Texas it will depend a lot on what you buy. Up until recently (about 20 years ago) It was illegal to get a loan to buy Real Eastate. Under Texas law it is/was illegal to take a persons home to satisfy a debt. as a result nearly all real estate transactions were owner financing. It is illegal for a non-licensed entity to charge interest, unless they are a licensed banking institute in Texas.

The laws have changed somewhat in the past few years but many people still buy there homes at no interest through owner financing. Many others buy through rent to buy options, which means you agree to rent the home for say 20 years at an agree price and than at the end of the lease you agree to buy the house for a small amount normaly $100 to pay for the title transfer.

But for all other it is riba loans.
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AmarFaisal
06-25-2007, 10:39 AM
Where I live , In Kuwait, 90% r muslims. Being a non-muslim and an American was looked at strangely here. But after the gulf war in 1990 things have changed. Still some of my revert American friends tell their tales of being mistreated in public all the time.

Abt Riba, it's very common here as well. However, we have a bank Kuwait Finance House, which is extremely popular among Kuwaitis and is vastly used in Kuwait. It has riba free transactions.
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:43 AM
Originally Posted by moedot7
Im from East London (UK) and to be honest, its not very hard living here as a Muslim. i have never had a problem before, and inshallah i wont have. i think its more based on just the colour of the skin and not religion here in East London
thanks my friend,
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00:00
06-25-2007, 10:49 AM
no that hard, if u live in an asian area full of muslims than it wont be hard.
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smile
06-25-2007, 04:31 PM
it's okay most people aren't racist they just want to know why we practise the way we do and so on.
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chand
06-25-2007, 04:38 PM
:sl:
I live in a town in the north west thats quite heavily populated by asiam muslims so for me practising islam is not that difficult however every now and then you do get the odd racist remarks.
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jzcasejz
06-25-2007, 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by moedot7
Im from East London (UK) and to be honest, its not very hard living here as a Muslim. i have never had a problem before, and inshallah i wont have. i think its more based on just the colour of the skin and not religion here in East London
Yep..that's true..I live in East London too and yep, there aren't much problems round here Alhamdulillaah...no racism or anything...mainly cos it's packed with "Muslims" anyways.

However...there is a problem with the youth in East London...they're not too much into their Deen and keep walking around with their trousers hanging low. :enough!: I guess that's the same for other areas too...:?
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shigatse
06-25-2007, 04:47 PM
:sl:

I,m a Muslim Living In Germany,
Islam is the third-largest religion in Germany, after the Protestant and Roman Catholic faiths.
There are three million Muslims in Germany, representing 3.2 per cent of the population.
1.9 million are of Turkish origin, mainly descendents of the postwar generation of guest workers imported to Germany to make up for its manpower shortage.
Most Muslims live in highly concentrated districts in the industrial towns of western Germany and in Berlin. Few Muslims live in eastern Germany.
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Star
06-25-2007, 04:53 PM
:sl:

i live in blackburn {England}, i guess for me its easy to practice islam, the community i live in is mixed with all sorts of people, muslims, christains, all from different backgrounds, most people keep themselves to them themselves, but none the less we all get on quite well, though you do get the odd race related fight, but thats to be expected anywhere.

:w:
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Al_Imaan
06-25-2007, 04:58 PM
I live in Maryland, USA. The majority of the people are christian caucasians...and we're like one of the 5 muslim families here....it feels weird being stared at everytime i step outta da house...but i dont mind...it makes me feel more special...:p
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Pk_#2
06-25-2007, 05:21 PM
It's lovely juvvly in Lu'on

Everyone loves everyone,

Were a happy bunch ov people :D

The end. :)
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MusLiM 4 LiFe
06-25-2007, 06:06 PM
ermmmmmm welll considerin dis townz full of chavz wah u fink? bad.. nahh its aittee da chavz neva mess wid us lol :p its oryt i guess but uno.. der is room 4 improvemnt :p
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3isha
06-25-2007, 06:08 PM
:sl: very intresting topic,
i live in Bradford (England) where the majority of the population is pakistani, and it;s not very hard to practise faith here alhamdulillah, But at the same time, it;s very sad :cry: to see young muslim brothers and sisters, who come from good muslims families doing the wrong things even though they are in a good atmosphere to practise islam,
MAy Allah guide us all to the straight path,Ameen
:w:
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by shigatse
:sl:

I,m a Muslim Living In Germany,
Islam is the third-largest religion in Germany, after the Protestant and Roman Catholic faiths.
There are three million Muslims in Germany, representing 3.2 per cent of the population.
1.9 million are of Turkish origin, mainly descendents of the postwar generation of guest workers imported to Germany to make up for its manpower shortage.
Most Muslims live in highly concentrated districts in the industrial towns of western Germany and in Berlin. Few Muslims live in eastern Germany.

Thanks dear,

i am pleased to know about the status of the Muslims
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amirah_87
06-25-2007, 10:19 PM
:sl:

Third person here from E.London.

The area I live in has its fair share of Whites, Blacks & Asians. It's Quite fairly proportioned.

I'd say it's ok to live here, I know quite alot of people who've moved from various parts of London to be part of the muslim communities down here Walhamdulillaah.

We do get verbally abused from time to time( the same old "Ninja" lines). But it's never turnt into anything physical walhamdulillaah.

Originally Posted by jzcasejz
However...there is a problem with the youth in East London...they're not too much into their Deen and keep walking around with their trousers hanging low. :enough!: I guess that's the same for other areas too...:?
Allah Yahdeehim :exhausted
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by al_imaan_786
I live in Maryland, USA. The majority of the people are christian caucasians...and we're like one of the 5 muslim families here....it feels weird being stared at everytime i step outta da house...but i dont mind...it makes me feel more special...:p
Fantastic, that the spirit. in fact it is easy to manage few people. Here in Karachi it is bing crowd of people all walks of life and variety of practices. it is also interesting to live here.
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by moedot7
Im from East London (UK) and to be honest, its not very hard living here as a Muslim. i have never had a problem before, and inshallah i wont have. i think its more based on just the colour of the skin and not religion here in East London
I live in Karachi, Pakistan here every second person is Muslim but still I feel we are note as good Muslim as we could be. Here, we have 100% freedom to do whatever we like to do and we are mis-using this luxury - I feel many of us are doing wrong things which are not in accordance with Islamic Teachings not even in accordance with basic humanitarian ethics.

Anyways life is like that...
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
:sl:

A lot of that will depend on where you live. Riba is the most prominant and most common method available for most people Muslim and non-Muslim for most items.

Here in Texas it will depend a lot on what you buy. Up until recently (about 20 years ago) It was illegal to get a loan to buy Real Eastate. Under Texas law it is/was illegal to take a persons home to satisfy a debt. as a result nearly all real estate transactions were owner financing. It is illegal for a non-licensed entity to charge interest, unless they are a licensed banking institute in Texas.

The laws have changed somewhat in the past few years but many people still buy there homes at no interest through owner financing. Many others buy through rent to buy options, which means you agree to rent the home for say 20 years at an agree price and than at the end of the lease you agree to buy the house for a small amount normaly $100 to pay for the title transfer.

But for all other it is riba loans.
That is interesting...
Finance and Commerce is of my special interest
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:35 PM
Originally Posted by AmarFaisal
Where I live , In Kuwait, 90% r muslims. Being a non-muslim and an American was looked at strangely here. But after the gulf war in 1990 things have changed. Still some of my revert American friends tell their tales of being mistreated in public all the time.

Abt Riba, it's very common here as well. However, we have a bank Kuwait Finance House, which is extremely popular among Kuwaitis and is vastly used in Kuwait. It has riba free transactions.
Thanks a lot my friend,

Could you please shad some light on the identification of riba - i mean what are the attributes that make a riba or riba-free transaction....

You contribution will be appreciated.

Fee Amman Allah
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:36 PM
Originally Posted by chand
:sl:
I live in a town in the north west thats quite heavily populated by asiam muslims so for me practising islam is not that difficult however every now and then you do get the odd racist remarks.
north west of where, US or some where else.???
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by Star
:sl:

i live in blackburn {England}, i guess for me its easy to practice islam, the community i live in is mixed with all sorts of people, muslims, christains, all from different backgrounds, most people keep themselves to them themselves, but none the less we all get on quite well, though you do get the odd race related fight, but thats to be expected anywhere.

:w:
that's great...
the discussion is going great too
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by amirah_87
:sl:

Third person here from E.London.

The area I live in has its fair share of Whites, Blacks & Asians. It's Quite fairly proportioned.

I'd say it's ok to live here, I know quite alot of people who've moved from various parts of London to be part of the muslim communities down here Walhamdulillaah.

We do get verbally abused from time to time( the same old "Ninja" lines). But it's never turnt into anything physical walhamdulillaah.



Allah Yahdeehim :exhausted
why people are moving to Muslim Community areas, is there anything special about it???
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dilkadr
06-25-2007, 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by shigatse
:sl:

I,m a Muslim Living In Germany,
Islam is the third-largest religion in Germany, after the Protestant and Roman Catholic faiths.
There are three million Muslims in Germany, representing 3.2 per cent of the population.
1.9 million are of Turkish origin, mainly descendents of the postwar generation of guest workers imported to Germany to make up for its manpower shortage.
Most Muslims live in highly concentrated districts in the industrial towns of western Germany and in Berlin. Few Muslims live in eastern Germany.
I really amazed to know that Muslims are the third largest community there in Germany...
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jannat
06-25-2007, 11:16 PM
:sl:

i am from manchester, UK, Its alhamduillah k i guess. i learnt there is good and bad everywhere , in non muslim countries and muslim countries. i have noticed the non muslim youth have alot of misconceptions abt islam and i feel racism is on the rise, due to the events these extremists have carried out. pakistan is seen by non muslim youth as habouring terrorists, i know this because my sister was tellin me at school , some students are calling pakstanis, 'terriorist', which is unfortuante.

beside incidents such as this, i think alhumdullilah, the muslim community in manchester is good. i wanted to know what it like in pakistan, because it supposed to be an 'islamic country', is it really like that. i was born there so i am quite interested in whats happenin in PK.

i pray that allah tala blesses the muslim ummah inshallah,

:w:
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nevesirth
06-26-2007, 12:02 AM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
You know it, you wrote it. :skeleton:
LOL, SEEMS WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER ALOT WILBERHUM!!

WELL I WSNT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE. OK LET ME EXPLAIN MYSELF A LIL BIT FURTHER. SEE I LIVE IN A MAJORITY CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, AND I GET HARRASED FRM IGNORANT PPLE NOT FOR BEING 'MUSLIM' BUT SIMPLY FOR 'LOOKING MUSLIM'.IM USED TO BEING ASKED SILLY QUESTIONS LIKE' BIN LADEN WHT U DOING IN OUR COUNTRY? WHERE ARE U FRM? IF THE U.S GETS TO KNW U R HERE, THEYLL COME PICK U UP. THEY NEVER SEEM TO SEE PAST THE MUSLIM LOOKS, SOME EVEN OPENELY CALL U A TERRORIST AS IF IT WAS A COMPLIMENT.
IM NOT SAYING ITS RLLY BAD, BUT IT GETS ANNOYING AT TIMES,U GET SUSPICIOUS LOOKS FROM SECURITY WHEN U WALK INTO A BANK, LOL
ITS NOT THEIR FAULT THOUGH, ITS THE WRONG STEREOTYPING OF MUSLIMS BY THE MEDIA THTS TO BLAME AND MAYBE THE ACTIONS OF A GROUP OF MUSLIMS.
WELL ITS NOT SO BAD AFTERALL, I JST WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT, MAYBE SOME PPLE MISUNDERSTOOD CUZ IT WSNT COMPREHENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!

SALAM!!!!!!!!!!
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
06-26-2007, 12:09 AM
I live in NY and Alhumdulillah I haven't experienced anything :) I do get stares even in my town area, I mean i have lived in the same place my whole life! Only when i started Hijab though. But thats about it. And usually I'll get people asking me questions. So i like it when they ask :D
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north_malaysian
06-26-2007, 09:04 AM
Now, I'm living in Kulim, State of Kedah, Malaysia for 4 years.

Previously I live with my grandparents in Teluk Bahang, Penang Island, Malaysia for (5 years), then in Gelugor, Penang Island, Malaysia for the next 20 years.

And I've studied in International Islamic Univesrsity Malaysia (Matriculation Centre in Lembah Pantai, Kuala Lumpur and Main Campus in Gombak, Selangor).



* TELUK BAHANG, PENANG ISLAND *
It's a town situated by the sea with a population of 50,000 people. 70% of the population are Muslims, and the remaining 30% are Buddhists, Confucians, Taoists and Hindus. (There are no Christians living there).

It has dozens of mosques (mostly belongs to Shafiite Muslims, 1 mosque for the Hanafites and another one for Salafis), two Chinese temples and one Hindu temple.

Most of the Muslims are Acehnese (people of Aceh, Indonesia) followed by Malays, Tamils, Javanese, Yemeni Arabs, Indonesians, Bangladesh and a handful of Chinese.

Majority if the Muslims work in public and tourism sectors, 90% of the seafood restaurants are owned by Muslims.

* GELUGOR, PENANG ISLAND *
It's a university-town situated by the sea. Famous for Penang Bridge and Universiti Sains Malaysia. Most of the people living here are university students and professionals. It has a population of over 100,000 and 60% of the populations are Muslims. The remaining 40% are Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Baha'is, Confucians, Taoists, Sikhs, Non Religious, Satanists and Atheists.

It has 20 mosques, 4 are big mosques (we call it as Masjid Jamek). Dozens of churches and handful of Hindus and Chinese Temple. It's reported that the Satanists have 2 lodges here.

Most of the Muslims are Minangkabaus (another ethnic group from Indonesia), Malays (from all over Malaysia), Tamils, Malayalis, Arabs, Javanese, Boyanese (from Indonesia), Banjarese (also from Indonesia), Bataks (from Indonesia too), Chinese and immigrants from Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India and Arab nations. There was a Japanese
Muslim too living in my neighbourhood.

Muslims in Gelugor are the most successfull Muslim community in Penang as there are good education provided here. Most of Penangite Islamists live in Gelugor.

* KULIM *
It's a town situated on the mainland, 40km away from Penang Island.. the weather is cooler and fresher. It has a population of 100,000 people of which 60% are Muslims. The remaining 40% are Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians, Taoists, Christians and Sikhs.

It has not less than 50 mosques, maybe 80. 2 churches, a handful of Chinese temples, 1 gurdwara and 20 Hindu temples.

Most of the Muslims are Malays, with some Tamils, Cambodians, Thais, Chinese, Arabs and immigrants from Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt and Iraq. I've seen some Spaniards in the local mosque too (who is working in Malaysian Spanish Institute).

Most of the Muslims are factories workers, lots are Professionals (mostly engineers) and civil servants.
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rozeena
06-26-2007, 09:06 AM
4m bham n its great bein a muslim here, well da area i live in is mostly apna ppl anyway
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syilla
06-26-2007, 09:16 AM
1. Easy to get food. But don't be surprised because not all food is halal. Just becareful when going to restaurants especially chinese and mamak stall.

2. Rules and regulations sometimes are not according to alquran and sunnah.

3. You can find statues and monuments :S and there is even fatwa in Malaysia saying is haram but they can't do anything about it. :S

4. Cause here summer every day, don't be surprised on how the girls or guys are wearing. Just close your eyes or look elsewhere.

5. Most of the muslim men still stares at beautiful girl...thinking that is not haram but feast for the eyes. :S

6. Masjid is everywhere and don't be surprise there is only 10 ppl doing the jumaah :S

7. The girls and boys are constantly together (dating), holding hands but no kissing -al hamdullillah. And don't be surprised if most of the muslim parents here says is okay to have girlfriend or boyfriend.

well...i've alot more to say...but to be continued. Time for asr prayer. wassallam
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dilkadr
06-26-2007, 11:26 AM
Salaam Syilla,

That is what going in Karachi, and we have to live like good Muslims among all of these unislamic attituteds.

May Allah Help all of us
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dilkadr
06-26-2007, 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by Jazzy
I live in NY and Alhumdulillah I haven't experienced anything :) I do get stares even in my town area, I mean i have lived in the same place my whole life! Only when i started Hijab though. But thats about it. And usually I'll get people asking me questions. So i like it when they ask :D
thats good,
asking spreads knowledge about Islam.
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dilkadr
06-26-2007, 11:43 AM
Originally Posted by jannat
:sl:

i am from manchester, UK, Its alhamduillah k i guess. i learnt there is good and bad everywhere , in non muslim countries and muslim countries. i have noticed the non muslim youth have alot of misconceptions abt islam and i feel racism is on the rise, due to the events these extremists have carried out. pakistan is seen by non muslim youth as habouring terrorists, i know this because my sister was tellin me at school , some students are calling pakstanis, 'terriorist', which is unfortuante.

beside incidents such as this, i think alhumdullilah, the muslim community in manchester is good. i wanted to know what it like in pakistan, because it supposed to be an 'islamic country', is it really like that. i was born there so i am quite interested in whats happenin in PK.

i pray that allah tala blesses the muslim ummah inshallah,

:w:
:sl:
Well, first of all Salaam from Pakistan. I was born and rised here. I like my country in general and my city and town in particular.

if someone want to see what does freedom mean, should come to here and see. however, this great luxury have been miss used a lot.

still there are poeple at both extremes, western and eastern. you can see men with turbans, and cloths above their ankles and women in head to toe covering at the same time you can see guy drinking alcohol on the street and girls/women wearing skin tight cloths (western (jeans / t-shirt) and eastern (shalwar kameez) as well)

in past 20 + years things have been changed so much. freedom is prevailing to both good and bad things.

May Allah bless us with courage to live in this open world - where doing wrong is easy and doing good is so difficult
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Musaafirah
06-26-2007, 11:45 AM
:sl:
Am from Bristol. In the particular area I live in, the children are ignorant I guess, and always have some comment to throw at me..either that or they stare..but kids will be kids I guess, it just angers me that parents don't bother to teach their kids manners..worse still is when they actually encourage their kids behaviour. The reason isn't because I'm muslim I guess, but because I'm Asian..
However, there's a part in Bristol that has many Asians and Muslims and I feel so much more comfortable there than I do where I live now..
:w:
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dilkadr
06-26-2007, 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by nevesirth
LOL, SEEMS WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER ALOT WILBERHUM!!

WELL I WSNT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE. OK LET ME EXPLAIN MYSELF A LIL BIT FURTHER. SEE I LIVE IN A MAJORITY CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, AND I GET HARRASED FRM IGNORANT PPLE NOT FOR BEING 'MUSLIM' BUT SIMPLY FOR 'LOOKING MUSLIM'.IM USED TO BEING ASKED SILLY QUESTIONS LIKE' BIN LADEN WHT U DOING IN OUR COUNTRY? WHERE ARE U FRM? IF THE U.S GETS TO KNW U R HERE, THEYLL COME PICK U UP. THEY NEVER SEEM TO SEE PAST THE MUSLIM LOOKS, SOME EVEN OPENELY CALL U A TERRORIST AS IF IT WAS A COMPLIMENT.
IM NOT SAYING ITS RLLY BAD, BUT IT GETS ANNOYING AT TIMES,U GET SUSPICIOUS LOOKS FROM SECURITY WHEN U WALK INTO A BANK, LOL
ITS NOT THEIR FAULT THOUGH, ITS THE WRONG STEREOTYPING OF MUSLIMS BY THE MEDIA THTS TO BLAME AND MAYBE THE ACTIONS OF A GROUP OF MUSLIMS.
WELL ITS NOT SO BAD AFTERALL, I JST WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT, MAYBE SOME PPLE MISUNDERSTOOD CUZ IT WSNT COMPREHENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!

SALAM!!!!!!!!!!
that is what muslims face in some part of the world - and it is not because there is something wrong with muslims but it is becuase the so called moderate people of the other world - they can tolerate a woman in bikini but can not tolerate women wearing scraf or hijab. being homosexual man is okey but have a beared is not ok. in fact the teaching of them is not fine - they welcome things they like and label rest of the world PAGAN :D
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MustafaMc
06-26-2007, 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
:sl:

A lot of that will depend on where you live. Riba is the most prominant and most common method available for most people Muslim and non-Muslim for most items.

Here in Texas it will depend a lot on what you buy. Up until recently (about 20 years ago) It was illegal to get a loan to buy Real Eastate. Under Texas law it is/was illegal to take a persons home to satisfy a debt. as a result nearly all real estate transactions were owner financing. It is illegal for a non-licensed entity to charge interest, unless they are a licensed banking institute in Texas.

The laws have changed somewhat in the past few years but many people still buy there homes at no interest through owner financing. Many others buy through rent to buy options, which means you agree to rent the home for say 20 years at an agree price and than at the end of the lease you agree to buy the house for a small amount normaly $100 to pay for the title transfer.

But for all other it is riba loans.
I wasn't aware of this owner financing in Texas, but I am only 46 and live in Mississippi. Nearly all homes here are financed through 30 year mortgages.
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IbnAbdulHakim
06-26-2007, 11:52 AM
^ @ Musaafir :: may Allah grant you sabr

here in south east london its completely mixed, its like an explosion of paint occured and everything got scrambled. we all respect each other Alhamdulillah, i just wish my somalian brothers round here wouldnt always pass by me, i hav to turn around and salaam their backs!!!!!
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dilkadr
06-26-2007, 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by MustafaMc
I wasn't aware of this owner financing in Texas, but I am only 46 and live in Mississippi. Nearly all homes here are financed through 30 year mortgages.
:sl:
is there any options available other then mortgae or people have to take it or leave it situation there:laugh:
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jannat
06-26-2007, 11:58 AM
:sl:

its sad to hear this. i am angered when i hear our pakistani people are up to no good, but i have to accept that there is good and bad everywhere. i cant judge.Allah is the best of judges. i have to say that the government could help somehow.
i heard the recent news abt the extreme weather in pk and one of the sheikhs on tv said that its because of our deeds. There is alot bad deeds ppl r committing and the corruption has led to these problems. i pray Allah could help pakistan get back on track inshallah, it is suppose to be islamic, as Qaidi Azam Muhammed Ali Jinnah and others wanted it to be.

:w:
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MustafaMc
06-26-2007, 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by dilkadr
:sl:
is there any options available other then mortgae or people have to take it or leave it situation there:laugh:
It's take it or leave it. I tried to get Islamic financing through La Riba when I purchased my home, but they refused because the building is a modular unit that was brought to the location on wheels. In the USA they call these "trailer". My home looks just like a regular house with shingle roof and vinyl siding, but still it is a "mobile home".

Anyway the end result of the La Riba financing was indistinguishable to me from an interest bearing loan. Basically, you end up paying much more for the home than the original purchase price. To me so-called sharia compliant financing through La Riba and Guidance is a sham.
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dilkadr
06-26-2007, 12:18 PM
i feel sorry for that,
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MustafaMc
06-26-2007, 12:24 PM
I live in Greenville, Misissippi, USA. I have not had any real problems being a Muslim here as far as being harrassed or called a terrorist, but people tend to associate with others who are like them. Over the past several years we have had 8-12 Muslims living here. The brothers (3-6) meet in another's home for Jummah, but rarely do we get together socially. My wife and I feel very isolated.
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Gator
06-26-2007, 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by dilkadr
My recent focus is on Riba

What are you observations about these things.

Here, riba is everywhere and people are searching for riba free financial services.
Hello, not a muslim but I work in finance in NYC.

We have middle eastern clients and have to be able to structure these transactions to comply with Islamic law. Its a different perspective because they are the investor rather than the investee, but we still have to look out for interest and other factors. Most are equity type investments rather than the preferred or convert. debt type.

The structure of the long term rent thing is a tricky subject as a previous person said. Its still the same amount of money the person would pay who had an interest bearing mortgage, but its not an interest structure.

As far as day-to-day most banks have islamic banking alternatives (again I live in NYC so there are a lot more alternatives).

For example - http://www.citibank.com.my/MYGCB/APP...micBanking.htm

Thanks.
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dilkadr
06-26-2007, 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by MustafaMc
I live in Greenville, Misissippi, USA. I have not had any real problems being a Muslim here as far as being harrassed or called a terrorist, but people tend to associate with others who are like them. Over the past several years we have had 8-12 Muslims living here. The brothers (3-6) meet in another's home for Jummah, but rarely do we get together socially. My wife and I feel very isolated.
:sl:
yes, it is very tiresome to be alone in a different community.
Well, I like to say May Allah Help you
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dilkadr
06-26-2007, 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by Gator
Hello, not a muslim but I work in finance in NYC.

We have middle eastern clients and have to be able to structure these transactions to comply with Islamic law. Its a different perspective because they are the investor rather than the investee, but we still have to look out for interest and other factors. Most are equity type investments rather than the preferred or convert. debt type.

The structure of the long term rent thing is a tricky subject as a previous person said. Its still the same amount of money the person would pay who had an interest bearing mortgage, but its not an interest structure.

As far as day-to-day most banks have islamic banking alternatives (again I live in NYC so there are a lot more alternatives).

For example - http://www.citibank.com.my/MYGCB/APP...micBanking.htm

Thanks.
Thank you my friend,

In fact there are many things with a lot more number of perspective. On thing is services charges that financial institute charge.

Second most important thing is the structure.

Well, it is just the difference in point of view and things are same in long term rental purchase, except the "loan sharks business"

Thanks again.
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north_malaysian
06-27-2007, 01:59 AM
Regarding to Islamic Banking in Malaysia, we have 3 Islamic banks namely Bank Islam, Bank Muamalat and Al Rajhi Bank (from Saudi). I've heard that many Islamic banks from UAE and Kuwait are interested to open their branches in Malaysia.

Islamic banking is booming in Malaysia, almost all Malaysian banks offer Islamic banking, even international banks such as Citibank and HSBC offer Islamic banking services.

When I went to Bank Muamalat here, 1/3 of their clients are non-Muslims.
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barney
06-27-2007, 02:38 AM
Justa comment on the "Ninja" lines.

My son when he was 8 saw a Muslima in full burka and pointed and said "Look a Ninja".

I've never discussed any aspect of any religion with him and will never do.
I think the "Ninja" comment is often just people making a connection with the visual look rather than always racism.
And in my sons case, he just thought that the whole thing was "Cool", and wanted to dress like that.
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north_malaysian
06-27-2007, 02:55 AM
Originally Posted by barney
Justa comment on the "Ninja" lines.

My son when he was 8 saw a Muslima in full burka and pointed and said "Look a Ninja".

I've never discussed any aspect of any religion with him and will never do.
I think the "Ninja" comment is often just people making a connection with the visual look rather than always racism.
And in my sons case, he just thought that the whole thing was "Cool", and wanted to dress like that.
After the Iranian revolution, there is a group of Mahdic movement in Malaysia called Al Arqam. All of the women members wear black "purdah" that covers from head to toes, and show a little bit of eyes (just like those in Middle East and Iran). During that time only 1% of Muslim women wear hijab. So Muslims themselves start calling those Al Arqam women as ninjas.

In 1990s the 70,000-strong members of Al Arqam were forced to repent as their group was considered as deviant teaching by the religious councils. But at that time 90% of Muslim women wear hijab... so nobody calling people wearing "purdah" as "ninjas" until now.
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dilkadr
06-28-2007, 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by barney
Justa comment on the "Ninja" lines.

My son when he was 8 saw a Muslima in full burka and pointed and said "Look a Ninja".

I've never discussed any aspect of any religion with him and will never do.
I think the "Ninja" comment is often just people making a connection with the visual look rather than always racism.
And in my sons case, he just thought that the whole thing was "Cool", and wanted to dress like that.
I think innocent childrens should be exempted, but their parents should help them to be good grown-up. I think it is you responsibility to guide your child as it is a humanitariam duty too...
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dilkadr
06-28-2007, 12:19 PM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
After the Iranian revolution, there is a group of Mahdic movement in Malaysia called Al Arqam. All of the women members wear black "purdah" that covers from head to toes, and show a little bit of eyes (just like those in Middle East and Iran). During that time only 1% of Muslim women wear hijab. So Muslims themselves start calling those Al Arqam women as ninjas.

In 1990s the 70,000-strong members of Al Arqam were forced to repent as their group was considered as deviant teaching by the religious councils. But at that time 90% of Muslim women wear hijab... so nobody calling people wearing "purdah" as "ninjas" until now.
IMO-It is just the way how things evolve. Here in Pakistan there is group of religious people and they wear green turbans. Some people called then parots in the begining but now its ok. They jeled in the society.
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Woodrow
06-28-2007, 12:35 PM
:w:

This referring to some sisters as Ninjas is just people trying to come up with a descriptive name for what they do not understand. In the Western world when Catholic nuns used to wear Black and white habits they were often called penguins by non Catholics. It was not intended to be derogatory, just a name for what they did not know.
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dilkadr
06-28-2007, 12:41 PM
Yes you are right woodrow, we give name of known things to unknow things, it is how human beings acts or reacts
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MuhammadRizan
06-28-2007, 01:38 PM
:sl:

hi! i live in Sabah,in Borneo Island just another state in Malaysia, Muslim still the majority(quite slim!) then Christian and also Pagan.

Living here is just like other place in Malaysia, seeing Muslim doing unislamic thing in public.

I'm a Religious teacher and of course they called me Ustaz, as Ustaz here is pretty much being everything, i'm the Imam ,khatib also sometimes the muazzin, when somebody sick or died they will call me, recite du'a and everything.

but the most freakin' experience i think when handling people that had been possessed by Jinn, well you know with that almost Satanic Black Metal kind of voice, super strenght, and glaring eyes...

i still remember my first experience, i'm sooooo freakin' out and panicked, and this Jinn is so annoying too, he repeated everything i've recited, and he ask somethin like this "are you new?""are you scared?"'are you married yet?"..
it takes me almost 4 hour to cast him out...
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dilkadr
06-28-2007, 04:16 PM
:sl:
it is really very new information for me. Well, I wonder if those gins can be friends with human. I always heard that Gins causing disturbance and problems for humans.

But Allah knows best.
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MuhammadRizan
06-28-2007, 04:36 PM
:sl:

Jinn are Ghaib(unseen) creature, they can lie to human easily, it's better we're not befriend with them.

Some Jinn are capable to doing something unusual(with Allah permision), when human become dependant to them, it's a Syirk to Allah. Very dangerous games.
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north_malaysian
06-29-2007, 03:15 AM
Originally Posted by MuhammadRizan
:sl:

hi! i live in Sabah,in Borneo Island just another state in Malaysia, Muslim still the majority(quite slim!) then Christian and also Pagan.

Living here is just like other place in Malaysia, seeing Muslim doing unislamic thing in public.

I'm a Religious teacher and of course they called me Ustaz, as Ustaz here is pretty much being everything, i'm the Imam ,khatib also sometimes the muazzin, when somebody sick or died they will call me, recite du'a and everything.

but the most freakin' experience i think when handling people that had been possessed by Jinn, well you know with that almost Satanic Black Metal kind of voice, super strenght, and glaring eyes...

i still remember my first experience, i'm sooooo freakin' out and panicked, and this Jinn is so annoying too, he repeated everything i've recited, and he ask somethin like this "are you new?""are you scared?"'are you married yet?"..
it takes me almost 4 hour to cast him out...
Whoa.... you're the only Malaysian ustaz here..... cool!!!

I have some questions.... why there are so many Jinn possessions happened among the Malaysian Muslims? Are jinns love living in Malaysia or love possessing Malaysian Muslims? Personally, I've witnessed 5 times of people being possessed...
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MuhammadRizan
06-29-2007, 03:41 AM
:sl:

Whoa.... you're the only Malaysian ustaz here..... cool!!!
Guru skolah rendah jelah!:D

I have some questions.... why there are so many Jinn possessions happened among the Malaysian Muslims? Are jinns love living in Malaysia or love possessing Malaysian Muslims? Personally, I've witnessed 5 times of people being possessed...
i'm wondering this too, i think it's because the population of Jinn is quite big in Malaysia, and i think Jinn in Malaysia is quite adapted to relate and commmunicate with human because of some old practice like black magic etc etc.

but i can see a very obvious pattern, Jinn likes possessed Muslima that dont have a habits perfoming prayer. some times it can be chaos because they can posessed people in mass.

There are other time i asked the Jinn why are they possessed people.
guess what! the answer is just like some rebellious teenager.

"Cool man, i'm just hangin' around".:D
"why are you nagging at me?"

some will tell that people send them, but most of the time they are just fooling around coz nothing else to do.:rollseyes

i think their nature is very the same with human.
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north_malaysian
06-29-2007, 08:54 AM
Originally Posted by MuhammadRizan
i'm wondering this too, i think it's because the population of Jinn is quite big in Malaysia, and i think Jinn in Malaysia is quite adapted to relate and commmunicate with human because of some old practice like black magic etc etc.
And currently, the Malaysian entertainment world is so promoting the ghost stories etc. I think the only non-Ghost movie released this year is "Cicakman".

Originally Posted by MuhammadRizan
but i can see a very obvious pattern, Jinn likes possessed Muslima that dont have a habits perfoming prayer. some times it can be chaos because they can posessed people in mass.
I've seen a Form 1 boy possessed when I was in secondary school (SMKA). He's so small, but it took like 6 people to carry him down from hostel (level 3) to the school's musolla.

"Mass Hysteria" happened at my younger sister's school (also SMKA) somewhere in 2000. It involved about 50 girls from 3 classes... it was chaotic. Those girls were crying, shouting, taking off their hijabs, smashing chairs.... the ustazs and ustazahs were running here and there helping those girls by reciting koranic verses. My sister's friend (among those who are possessed) told her that she saw a nun flying on the ceiling, trying to catch her... :exhausted

Originally Posted by MuhammadRizan
There are other time i asked the Jinn why are they possessed people.
guess what! the answer is just like some rebellious teenager.

"Cool man, i'm just hangin' around".:D
"why are you nagging at me?"
Hahahahahahahahah!!!! I love that answer.....:D

Originally Posted by MuhammadRizan
......but most of the time they are just fooling around coz nothing else to do.:rollseyes
Huh? Maybe they should possess those Mat Rempits, so those monkeys can stay at home...not being crazy on the roads... hate them...:raging: How about Sabah..... are there any Mat Rempits there?
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MuhammadRizan
06-29-2007, 10:39 AM
:sl:

And currently, the Malaysian entertainment world is so promoting the ghost stories etc. I think the only non-Ghost movie released this year is "Cicakman".
I hate artist.:raging:

I've seen a Form 1 boy possessed when I was in secondary school (SMKA). He's so small, but it took like 6 people to carry him down from hostel (level 3) to the school's musolla.
quite rare...but it can happen..

"Mass Hysteria" happened at my younger sister's school (also SMKA) somewhere in 2000. It involved about 50 girls from 3 classes... it was chaotic. Those girls were crying, shouting, taking off their hijabs, smashing chairs.... the ustazs and ustazahs were running here and there helping those girls by reciting koranic verses. My sister's friend (among those who are possessed) told her that she saw a nun flying on the ceiling, trying to catch her...
yeah..you see there are 2 kind of possession, directly and indirectly, but the most freakin' horror kind of possession is indirectly when the Jinn is in front of you and doing nasty freakin' horror 'trick':exhausted and only u can see him or several other people...some people lost control then Walla! Mass Hysteria.

Huh? Maybe they should possess those Mat Rempits, so those monkeys can stay at home...not being crazy on the roads... hate them... How about Sabah..... are there any Mat Rempits there?
i dont think so bcoz they all are just in the same species:D
there are no Mat Rempit here..well you know Sabah...our economy a bit slower than other state(government hates and neglected us)...in kampung(village area) most people cannot afford even a motobike.

i wonder? how about in the other part of the world, are Jinn there behave themself?:D
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north_malaysian
07-02-2007, 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by MuhammadRizan
i wonder? how about in the other part of the world, are Jinn there behave themself?:D
I wonder if "Exorcist" is a true story.... if it's true....so the jinns are just the same with Malaysian ones....
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sevgi
07-02-2007, 04:48 AM
wer i live its cool...

im in australia....the govt is fine with us...its jst the general perception of the people here.

they cnt really say much coz its such multicultural and diverse country..bt the media still gets its way with individuals,,,we get the general verbal abuse...and looks and laughs...

all in all...cnt complain.
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nebula
07-02-2007, 06:53 PM
asalaamalakum

i live in essex a very racist area i would say. Alot of people here have misconceptions about islam and think islam is a bad religion because of terriorst attacks in london. I sometimes get treated differently because of my colour and religion, alot of racism. Its really hard to be a musilm were i live because the environment in school outside school is very bad its sometimes 'tempting'. Because i hear people talking about and doing 'this and that' i try really hard to stay away from bad stuff. but its really difficult. When im fasting in ramadan alot of people ask me questions regarding fasting and allah. The questions i get asked are so dumb.

thats my life story lol :D
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snakelegs
07-02-2007, 07:06 PM
in the world affairs section we learned what it is like to be a muslim in scotland since the recent incident - one day they felt safe and then, overnight, they are targets for hate. :(
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Intisar
07-03-2007, 01:32 AM
Asalaama alaykum, hope you are in good health and faith ameen..Alhamdulilah, I am. Regarding your question, I currently reside in the beautiful country of Canada and the beacon of urbanism (if that makes any sense, lol :-[ ) Toronto. We are known for our multiculturalism, and infact named one of the most multicultural cities in the world. Everyone is very accepting of who I am, and my school always makes sure to help me abide by the rules and regulations of my religion. We have a prayer room and we are never marked absent or late in school attendance records during Fridays, pork is made sure to be seperate from the rest of the meats, we are informed if meat is made halal, etc. My school is more than 70% Muslim, and during our Friday prayers there is always an Imaam present to do lectures and students take turns leading the prayer. I am so disheartened by the amount of girls who actually attend the prayers, 0-7 depending on the day. :cry: But I am very grateful to live in such an accepting and wonderful community. Non-Muslims even go out of their to say ''Salaam!" to me when riding the bus and making my way home.
:statisfie
Hope that was thorough enough for you, lol.

W/Salaam.
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north_malaysian
07-03-2007, 03:23 AM
Originally Posted by Sister-Ameena*
My school is more than 70% Muslim, and during our Friday prayers there is always an Imaam present to do lectures and students take turns leading the prayer. I am so disheartened by the amount of girls who actually attend the prayers, 0-7 depending on the day. :cry: But I am very grateful to live in such an accepting and wonderful community. Non-Muslims even go out of their to say ''Salaam!" to me when riding the bus and making my way home.
:statisfie
Hope that was thorough enough for you, lol.

W/Salaam.
70% Muslims, is it a public school? Wow...

Many Muslims saying good thing about Canadians... I think it should be declared a Muslim-Friendly country then...
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Intisar
07-03-2007, 07:20 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
70% Muslims, is it a public school? Wow...

Many Muslims saying good thing about Canadians... I think it should be declared a Muslim-Friendly country then...
Asalaama Alaykum brother, hope you are in good health as well as your family. ameen. Alhamdulilah, I am. To answer your question, my school is a public school and Canada is a very tolerant and multicultural country especially compared to our neighbours down south. I would be called a Canadian as much as the white guy next to me and if you ask a Canadian what heritage they are, they will answer it..whereas if you ask an American, they will tell you they are American. I remember visiting the States last summer and I couldn't wait until I came back to my Canadian people..Americans are so rude, and all they care is about themselves, whereas Canadians are very nice people and they are the ones who tend to be interested in Islam. Canada is a very Muslim-friendly country, but ever since Stephen Harper got elected he's been taking our title away. We even have a No-Fly list now. Can you believe it?

My school is more than 80% ethnically mixed with different cultures and background, we even have Eid parties. It all depends on the people and how you've grown up, I'm used to it but when I see how Muslims are treated in Europe it makes me more greatful of where I live, alhamdulilah.

W/Salaam.
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Intisar
07-03-2007, 07:20 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
70% Muslims, is it a public school? Wow...

Many Muslims saying good thing about Canadians... I think it should be declared a Muslim-Friendly country then...
Asalaama Alaykum brother, hope you are in good health as well as your family, ameen. Alhamdulilah, I am. To answer your question, my school is a public school and Canada is a very tolerant and multicultural country especially compared to our neighbours down south. I would be called a Canadian as much as the white guy next to me and if you ask a Canadian what heritage they are, they will answer it..whereas if you ask an American, they will tell you they are American. I remember visiting the States last summer and I couldn't wait until I came back to my Canadian people..Americans are so rude, and all they care is about themselves, whereas Canadians are very nice people and they are the ones who tend to be interested in Islam. Canada is a very Muslim-friendly country, but ever since Stephen Harper got elected he's been taking our title away. We even have a No-Fly list now. Can you believe it?

My school is more than 80% ethnically mixed with different cultures and background, we even have Eid parties. It all depends on the people and how you've grown up, I'm used to it but when I see how Muslims are treated in Europe it makes me more greatful of where I live, alhamdulilah.

W/Salaam.
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extinction
07-03-2007, 07:31 AM
I'm from Orlando Florida. Alot of the Muslims here from the sub-continent i.e India/Pakistan are professionals mostly doctors. People aren't really educated about Muslims and quite frankly could care less. It is the sunshine state so almost every girl out there has an excuse for clothing on muslim/non muslim so its really hard to not look. Halal food in just this area of Florida is much better thanks to the concern of the local population. The guys are into cars, the men into houses, the women into throwing events/parties, the girls in trying to have the best outfit at the event/party. That's Orlando!
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north_malaysian
07-04-2007, 07:57 AM
Originally Posted by Sister-Ameena*
Asalaama Alaykum brother, hope you are in good health as well as your family, ameen. Alhamdulilah, I am. To answer your question, my school is a public school and Canada is a very tolerant and multicultural country especially compared to our neighbours down south. I would be called a Canadian as much as the white guy next to me and if you ask a Canadian what heritage they are, they will answer it..whereas if you ask an American, they will tell you they are American. I remember visiting the States last summer and I couldn't wait until I came back to my Canadian people..Americans are so rude, and all they care is about themselves, whereas Canadians are very nice people and they are the ones who tend to be interested in Islam. Canada is a very Muslim-friendly country, but ever since Stephen Harper got elected he's been taking our title away. We even have a No-Fly list now. Can you believe it?

My school is more than 80% ethnically mixed with different cultures and background, we even have Eid parties. It all depends on the people and how you've grown up, I'm used to it but when I see how Muslims are treated in Europe it makes me more greatful of where I live, alhamdulilah.

W/Salaam.
Wow..... I start to love Canada already....:thumbs_up. There are lots of agencies selling real property in Canada especially Vancouver here.

But almost all of those interested in buying property in Canada are Malaysian Chinese... Malaysian Muslims prefer Australia, UK and Mid East (especially Saudi and Kuwait)
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E'jaazi
07-04-2007, 07:59 AM
I'm in the USA. It is both easy and hard. Easy because we are able to practice deen with very little trouble. Hard because there is so much fitnah here. The USA is a place where nearly anything goes.
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dilkadr
07-05-2007, 02:00 PM
USA is place where practicing Islam will really beneficial due to the presence of Fitnas
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Woodrow
07-07-2007, 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by dilkadr
USA is place where practicing Islam will really beneficial due to the presence of Fitnas
The USA is large and very diverse. Yes, there are places where fitnah is rampant, but there are places that are as free from fitnah as most Muslim cities.

A trip through Amish or Quaker communities will show that. Most forbid electricity, automobiles, drugs or alcohol including coffee and tea as they have caffeine, photographs, music, colorful clothing and require modest dress. Also the mixing of genders in public is forbidden.


Plus much of what we are stereotyped as, is illegal and does not take place in most of the USA. For example here in Texas Public drinking and even public display of alcoholic beverages is illegal in most communities. Many Texas counties outlaw the sale of alcohol. But, the movies seem to always show cowboys with a bottle of beer in one hand. The laws against Public intoxication are strongly enforced and being drunk will get a person thrown in jail.
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ISLAMASWEENEY
07-07-2007, 05:09 PM
Yes but most of the Muslims in Germany are of Turkish or Iranian origin and East Germany used to be communist.
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ISLAMASWEENEY
07-07-2007, 05:10 PM
Usa has a lot of Muslims because it is a big country so there is more people there
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Woodrow
07-07-2007, 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by ISLAMASWEENEY
Usa has a lot of Muslims because it is a big country so there is more people there
Yes we are a large country, in terms of area. But compared to much of the world our population density is very thin. For example Texas is roughly the same size as Pakistan but the population of Pakistan at 149 Million is nearly equal to half the population of the entire US at 300 million.


We do have an estimated 10 million Muslims in the US. but we seem to be mostly in just 4 or 5 States. Out of the 50 States at least 40 have few Muslims or an insignificantly small number. Texas has the third largest Muslim Population in the US.

It is hard to actually tell how many Muslims are in the USA as in the US it is illegal to require a person to reveal his religion. Most public records have no count of religious preference.

The known numbers are:

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Mosques in the United States: 1,209
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American Muslims associated with a mosque: 2 million
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Increase in number of mosques since 1994: 25 percent
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Proportion of mosques founded since 1980: 62 percent
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Average number of Muslims associated with each mosque in the United States: 1,625
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U.S. mosque participants who are converts: 30 percent
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American Muslims who "strongly agree" that they should participate in American institutions and the political process: 70 percent
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U.S. mosques attended by a single ethnic group: 7 percent
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U.S. mosques that have some Asian, African-American, and Arab members: nearly 90 percent
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Ethnic origins of regular participants in U.S. mosques:
South Asian (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, Afghani) = 33 percent
African-America = 30 percent
Arab = 25 percent
Sub-Saharan African = 3.4 percent
European (Bosnian, Tartar, Kosovar, etc.) = 2.1 percent
White American = 1.6 percent
Southeast Asian ( Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino) = 1.3 percent
Caribbean = 1.2 percent
Turkish = 1.1 percent
Iranian = 0.7 percent
Hispanic/Latino = 0.6 percent

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U.S. mosques that feel they strictly follow the Koran and Sunnah: more than 90 percent
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U.S. mosques that feel the Koran should be interpreted with consideration of its purposes and modern circumstances: 71 percent
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U.S. mosques that provide some assistance to the needy: nearly 70 percent
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U.S. mosques with a full-time school: more than 20 percent
Source: http://www.allied-media.com/AM/

at least 30% of the US Muslims are reverts.
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fatima_01
07-07-2007, 10:20 PM
well in leicester uk ere i live its packed out its packed out with muslims so its kinda easy being a practesing muslim but when you go to ton then ye you do get the odd look:p
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vorx
07-08-2007, 02:27 AM
I live in the United States. People are diverse and stick to each other here.

Muslim here are diverse as well. The Majority are Arabs and Blacks and some Whites. People here should not confused the prejudice against Arabs with hate against Islam. Arabs are a Muslim majority here so they think people make fun of them because they are Muslims rather than just being Arab. If a Christian Arab has a dark skin, the chances are that they will be hated for being Muslims and Arabs. People here just think that Muslims are either Blacks or Arabs. They don't know that some white people are Muslims as well. So it is kinda confusing...

If someone is White he or she might not feel the same way as an Arab under prejudice. The owomen wearing scarves are generally soccer moms. Whenever I see a women with a scarf on, that means she is with a stroller watching her kids and basically staying home all the time. i can almost say that 99.99% of women with scarves here are not doing anything professional with their lives. No one would hire them lol

That is about it.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
07-08-2007, 11:43 PM
^^Umm 99.99 percent? Is that your estimate. Thats a bit too extreme. And if they choose to live their lives professionally or not, either way they build an effect on their future generation, regardless of where they are. Still 99.99 percent is well...not accurate I think..lol.
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vorx
07-09-2007, 01:46 AM
Originally Posted by Jazzy
^^Umm 99.99 percent? Is that your estimate. Thats a bit too extreme. And if they choose to live their lives professionally or not, either way they build an effect on their future generation, regardless of where they are. Still 99.99 percent is well...not accurate I think..lol.
Some women wearing scarves are in college getting their degrees. Once they do that they face the reality check. They have to either choose between a scarf or a career. Women dress sexy and elegantly in the corporate world for a reason. A scarf is not a beauty accessory since it is only Muslim women, Nuns and grannies who wear it. I am not saying that the women are ugly, it is just that scarves make them look less attractive and less professional. No denial, no hard feelings.

Muslim women with scarves get married or are already married so they favor letting the man handle the money situation and they fill their empty time raising the kids and making even more kids. That is exactly what i see in the streets. Women with their monsters playing or taking a walk. They have no technical future whatsoever.

Show me an engineer or an accountant or some sort of corporate woman wearing a scarf in America and i will show you a chicken with teeth..
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
07-10-2007, 02:52 AM
Ok so you'll have to show me a chicken with teeth now...:D My child doctor wen i was a kid was a scarfy. So yea you cant base your conclusions on only the women in your streets and estimate it for the rest of the planet.
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vorx
07-10-2007, 03:15 AM
Originally Posted by Jazzy
Ok so you'll have to show me a chicken with teeth now...:D My child doctor wen i was a kid was a scarfy. So yea you cant base your conclusions on only the women in your streets and estimate it for the rest of the planet.
In the U.S.? Notice i said 99.99% too lol

If you want to see the chicken it is right here, Congrats:
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/...with_teeth.jpg
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tearsofice21
07-10-2007, 04:02 AM
Wa 'alaikum assalam,

I'm in Canada.. where I live, there are quite a few muslims Alhamdulillah :D It's not particularly difficult to practise here, although there is a lot of culture mixed in in certain masjids unfortunately. Everyone is very diverse in the masjid that I go to Masha'Allah, and there aren't any issues with culture Alhamdulillah :)
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north_malaysian
07-10-2007, 08:02 AM
[quote=vorx;787959]

If you want to see the chicken it is right here, Congrats:
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/...jpg[/quote]

Off topic............... that is one scary chicken!!!!!:uuh:
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
07-10-2007, 05:46 PM
^^Lol! That is creepy but it sure doesnt look real.


In the U.S.? Notice i said 99.99% too lol

Aight me confuzzled now :X
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