Harry Potter Haram?!

[ahmadh007]

This just came to mind considering the next HP book is coming out. One of my teachers at this little Islamic School I used to go to said HP was haram. I asked her why and she told me it was because of the witchcraft in the book. Now I don't read HP for that, but for the actual reading. I really enjoy the work J.K. Rowling has put into her books and don't plan on practicing witch craft any time soon :D :D . Your thoughts?

[Intisar]

Regarding the topic and question at hand, it all depends on whether you apply a ficitional and fantasy novel to real situations and believe them to be real. Then you've got a problem there. :giggling: Other than, I see no problem with reading a book just to pass time.

W/Salaam.

[vpb]

:sl:

Regarding the topic and question at hand, it all depends on whether you apply a ficitional and fantasy novel to real situations and believe them to be real. Then you've got a problem there.

Other than, I see no problem with reading a book just to pass time.

I'm not talking about wether HP is haram or not, cuz I don't know,
but the excuse that "I read but I don't practice" is same as saying "I watch pornographic movies, but I don't do them, so it is not haram".

We don't have enough knowledge to say whether it is haram or not. Simply ask someone who is knowledgeable, bc they know better wether it is or not.

[Intisar]

:sl:
I'm not talking about wether HP is haram or not, cuz I don't know,
but the excuse that "I read but I don't practice" is same as saying "I watch pornographic movies, but I don't do them, so it is not haram".

We don't have enough knowledge to say whether it is haram or not. Simply ask someone who is knowledgeable, bc they know better wether it is or not.

Salaams brother! Hope you are having an enjoyable night. :smile:

As for your statement: LOL @ porno..wow, I never thought of it that way. Although I do think he should get a second (third, fourth, fifth etc) opinion before he actually acts on it. But let's be rational here, Harry Potter..haraam? Where have I heard this one before? Oh yes, Christian radicals on the 700 Club lol I don't mean to make pun out of this question but it just sounds so laughable don't you think bro? :D Harry Potter is just fiction, it's for your enjoyable..to run away from all that is the madness of this world.

Anyway, that was my input,

W/salaam

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[extinction]

"I watch pornographic movies, but I don't do them, so it is not haram".

Oh no you did not just say that! How is reading Harry Potter even comparable? LOL Harry Potter is F I C T I O N A L the spells in there the little curses incantments all that "haraam" stuff is made up. If I was to get a miswak and say lumos I doubt it would light up...

[Intisar]

Sorry, I meant it's for your enjoyment.

[Intisar]

Salaams,

How on Earth do you edit posts here? Am I just completely blind or is there not an edit function? It'd be a big help if y'all helped me out lol It'd save a lot of double-posting.

W/Salaam

[vpb]

:sl:

Salaams brother! Hope you are having an enjoyable night.

As for your statement: LOL @ porno..wow, I never thought of it that way. Although I do think he should get a second (third, fourth, fifth etc) opinion before he actually acts on it. But let's be rational here, Harry Potter..haraam? Where have I heard this one before? Oh yes, Christian radicals on the 700 Club lol I don't mean to make pun out of this question but it just sounds so laughable don't you think bro?

Harry Potter is just fiction, it's for your enjoyable..to run away from all that is the madness of this world.

Anyway, that was my input,

Oh no you did not just say that! How is reading Harry Potter even comparable? LOL Harry Potter is F I C T I O N A L the spells in there the little curses incantments all that "haraam" stuff is made up. If I was to get a miswak and say lumos I doubt it would light up...

guys?? did u read my whole post? or just part of it??

did u read the part where I said,

I'm not talking about wether HP is haram or not, cuz I don't know,

all I wanted to say is that you can't make something halal by saying "i look/listen to it, but I don't do it".

please read the posts completely and think what I said.

no offense.

[Abdul-Raouf]

Its simple : You know the book (story books) is full of lies...(so called fantasies).. then y read and waste time...

Unless its gonna help u in life ....its not worth to be read...

I dono whether its HARAAM OR NOT... im sure LIES are Haraam

[extinction]

Salaams,

How on Earth do you edit posts here? Am I just completely blind or is there not an edit function? It'd be a big help if y'all helped me out lol It'd save a lot of double-posting.

W/Salaam

After you become a full member (50 Posts) you can edit your posts...

[Intisar]

Salaams,

I did read it, and I was just putting my input forth that to say it's haraam sounds ridiculous. Everyone is trying to make whatever the heck they please haram/halal these days. The analogy you used was right, but I was not advocating the fact that it is halal rather showing how ridiculous it sounds. You understand me now? :statisfie

W.Salaam

[Abdul-Raouf]

Its simple : You know the book (story books) is full of lies...(so called fantasies).. then y read and waste time...

Unless its gonna help u in life ....its not worth to be read...

I dono whether its HARAAM OR NOT... im sure LIES are Haraam

When u r doubtful abt whether its Haraam/Halaal .... its better to avoid it

[vpb]

I did read it, and I was just putting my input forth that to say it's haraam sounds ridiculous.

do u know what are the question in the grave that a person will be asked??

Everyone is trying to make whatever the heck they please haram/halal these days.

you can't put every one in this bag. and say "oh this is not haram, bc everyone is making halal/haram things what they want"

[guyabano]

Its simple : You know the book (story books) is full of lies...(so called fantasies).. then y read and waste time...

Unless its gonna help u in life ....its not worth to be read...

I dono whether its HARAAM OR NOT... im sure LIES are Haraam

Is that your logic: Phantasy equal lie ?

Wow, that brings up a new perspective !

HP is for entertainment only. You read, have some good chuckles, you dive into a fantasy world. I would not call that a 'waste of time'

[Intisar]

Salaams,

You're not looking at the big picture here bro, you're just dissecting little parts of my posts and answering them indivually. What I'm trying to say is..it sounds ridiculous for someone to say that Harry Potter is haraam. I never said it was haraam, and I never said it was Halal either. OK.

:)

W/Salaam

[Nerd]

"O you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which Allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits" Quran (Surah: Al-Maeda 5:87)

Reading Harry potter is Haram?

[vpb]

Is that your logic: Phantasy equal lie ?

Wow, that brings up a new perspective !

HP is for entertainment only. You read, have some good chuckles, you dive into a fantasy world. I would not call that a 'waste of time'

I respect you opinions, but unfortunately your opinions can't apply to muslims, bc muslims see their life different, the time is very important to a muslim, and we have to spend it righteously. You may advise a muslim on how to cook something, how to drive a car...etc. but you can't do it in these fields, bc we have different rules.

You're not looking at the big picture here bro, you're just dissecting little parts of my posts and answering them indivually. What I'm trying to say is..it sounds ridiculous for someone to say that Harry Potter is haraam. I never said it was haraam, and I never said it was Halal either. OK.

oh ok sorry then, bc I was confused by your statement:

Regarding the topic and question at hand, it all depends on whether you apply a ficitional and fantasy novel to real situations and believe them to be real. Then you've got a problem there.

Other than, I see no problem with reading a book just to pass time.

but anyways, we are here to advise each other :)

[vpb]

"O you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which Allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits" Quran (Surah: Al-Maeda 5:87)

Reading Harry potter is Haram?

do you have enough knowledge to know wether it is haram or not? or you are just quoting verses here??

[Intisar]

Salaams,

I agree with what you told me before hand about the porno analogy, and I will take that as a lesson learned and to not speak out of my arse, lol. I could have given the poor chap some bad advice. :-[ But anyway, I only meant that it's all in interpretation, but now I meant by what you said.

It's all cleared up now bro! Hope you have a good night, I'm off to bed..it's 4 am in Toronto right now lol

So W/Salaam and inshallah I'll be here tomorrow. Ameen.

[guyabano]

do you have enough knowledge to know wether it is haram or not? or you are just quoting verses here??

LOL, I had the same thought !

[Nerd]

Isn't the verse plain enough? Don't forbid ourself things that ALLAH haven't forbidden unto us... Is there any verse or Hadith which specifically forbid muslims from reading fairy tales?
what about the famous 1001 Arabian tales (Kitāb 'Alf Layla wa-Layla)? Is it forbidden too?

[vpb]

Isn't the verse plain enough? Don't forbid ourself things that ALLAH haven't forbidden unto us... Is there any verse or Hadith which specifically forbid muslims from reading fairy tales?
what about the famous 1001 Arabian tales (Kitāb 'Alf Layla wa-Layla)? Is it forbidden too?

how many hadiths do u know?

100, 200 , 300??

do u know enough hadiths or verse, are they abrogated, the state of hadiths, etc. to say "this is halal or haram" ????

bro fear Allah swt, don't try to make things halal haram, and try to use verses to serve your opinions, remember we (who are not scholars) whether we are right or not on an issue, trying to comment on verses, we get a great sin. So please don't try to make things halal haram.

simply, let's ask a scholar and see what he says. without trying to quote verses here.

[Malaikah]

:sl:

Can I just point out that the type of magic that goes on in Harry Potter isn't the type of magic that is shirk in Islam.

Magic is haram in Islam, yes, but at the same when we say magic, we aren't talking about fantasy worlds where wizards and witches wave a wand to cast spells and stuff like that.

Magic refers to using the jinns to do stuff for you, such as possess other people. This is shirk, because it involves worshipping the jinns before they will help you.

I'm not saying that that books are haram or not. I am just pointing out that the type of magic talked about in Harry Potter isn't the same as the magic referred to in Islam.

[vpb]

this is a good example.

Question:
Is it OK to read books on Science fiction where a mad scientist creates a human being or a hybrid between a human and an animal?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

If these stories include lies, such as Darwin’s theory (evolution), and other things that are contrary to the facts stated by Islam and the facts of natural science, then the Muslim should avoid them, and keep himself busy with something that will be of use to him, such as learning good things or doing righteous deeds or reading true stories and historical accounts and so on. Many of the movies and novels that are known as “Science Fiction” include a lot of kufr, such as putting life and death in the hands of some created being, giving creatures the ability to create from nothing, saying that scientists in laboratories can create from nothing, making inanimate things come alive, creating life from a fossil that has been dead for many millenia, or travelling to the future then coming back to the present. All of this is impossible, and no one knows the unseen except for Allaah. Some of these novels and movies also include clear contradictions of historical facts that are mentioned in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, such as man’s creation and his life on earth. When the Muslim indulges in reading these books or watching these movies, it shakes his belief or at the very least wastes his time and keeps him busy with something that is of no benefit to him. Some people claim that this is just entertainment and a way of passing time, but entertainment is not permitted if it is haraam, and the Muslim’s time is too precious to be wasted on such trivial things. The Prophet

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “One of the signs of a person being properly committed to Islam is that he leaves alone that which does not concern him.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 2239, and others. Also in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5911). And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

[Malaikah]

:sl:

, creating life from a fossil that has been dead for many millenia

LOL! That isn't impossible! (At least not that I know of).

[vpb]

LOL! That isn't impossible! (At least not that I know of).

in fiction it's possible :p lollll

[ranma1/2]

:sl:



LOL! That isn't impossible! (At least not that I know of).

Yes it is, i saw it in a GI JOE episode...
And everything on tv is real right???

[Malaikah]

Huh? Fossils can contain left over cells can't they? In which case, as long as we have the DNA we have something to work with.

[Muezzin]

Are we talking about Jurassic Park now? Cracking book. It's science fiction, so I don't know if certain crazy people will say it's haraam, but all I know is it's enjoyable.

As for Harry Potter, having read them (apart from the previous two), I don't think they're preaching witchcraft. If that were the case, Star Wars and Lord of the Rings... heck, anything with magic in it would be haraam. But it's fiction. It's not real, and it's not indoctrinating kiddies with its fake latin-lite magic 'spells'.

Of course, if you believe that it wastes time that could be better spent in the pursuit of Islamic teachings, that's fine and your prerogative. But it's quite a jump to go from that to declaring it haraam. :)

I wonder if half of Roald Dahl's stuff is considered haraam. I can see how Alice in Wonderland might, considering that Mr Carol appeared to have been smoking illegal substances while writing it, but meh, it's a cool book.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

bro VPB utmost respect to you for taking your islam before your own desires. may Allah reward you, subhanAllah :)


everyone else, stop taking your own whims/thoughts and desires to be your deciding factor. So you think harry potter is for kids and is perfectly allright, big deal, theres many who think violence is allright, theres many who think swearing is allright, theres many who think exposing is allright, but the hidden gradual effects of everything takes time to become exposed. When scholars give a verdict we DO NOT call it BS!!!! and i HAVE seen scholars encourage us to stay away from harry potter.


people are becoming too ignorant these days... they think they know everything thats best for them..

[vpb]

It's science fiction, so I don't know if certain crazy people will say it's haraam, but all I know is it's enjoyable.

some if some scholar comes and say "it is haram", than he is crazy??? is that how you would call the scholars (people of knowledge) ?

But it's quite a jump to go from that to declaring it haraam.

I don't see anyone that said here that it' haram.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I don't see anyone that said here that it' haram.

lol wat about the first post? :hiding: but i suppose that teacher of the poster isnt here so technically :p


lol i wudnt say its haram, i'd say its something the scholars encourage us to refrain from...

[vpb]

lol wat about the first post?

but i suppose that teacher of the poster isnt here so technically

yes, that's what I meant ;D . bc the person who told the person on the first/second post is not here, so we don't count him. the person was just narrating :p

lol i wudnt say its haram, i'd say its something the scholars encourage us to refrain from...

why do we always ask "is it haram? is it makruh"??
i mean why would we want to do something which doesn't please Allah swt?? we can't be perfect, but at least try to go away from such things, at the very least say "i know HP is not good for muslims, it's loss of time, but I watch it", just being honest. our main objective is to get as closer to Allah as possible, but not with HP or stuff like that. but I can't understand muslims defending their wish to watch/read HP

[IbnAbdulHakim]

why do we always ask "is it haram? is it makruh"??

to understand the level of disobedience we'll be indulging in when we take ourselves into account. Also i dont think makhruh is haram... if the scholars put it on different terms then we shouldnt equate it right?

i heard only makhruh-tahrimah is CLOSE to haram but not makhruh it self. even makhruh has its different levels, so questioning "is it makhruh or haram?" is worth it, we'll know the severity we put ourselves into....

i mean why would we want to do something which doesn't please Allah swt??

no muslim wants to do this, but some muslims simply slip...

we can't be perfect, but at least try to go away from such things, at the very least say "i know HP is not good for muslims, it's loss of time, but I watch it", just being honest. our main objective is to get as closer to Allah as possible, but not with HP or stuff like that. but I can't understand muslims defending their wish to watch/read HP

yeah :)

[vpb]

to understand the level of disobedience we'll be indulging in when we take ourselves into account. Also i dont think makhruh is haram... if the scholars put it on different terms then we shouldnt equate it right?

i heard only makhruh-tahrimah is CLOSE to haram but not makhruh it self. even makhruh has its different levels, so questioning "is it makhruh or haram?" is worth it, we'll know the severity we put ourselves into....

lolll bro :),

I didn't mean to say that haram and makruh are equal, what I meant to say is that, most muslims always seek just "is it haram?" ..bc basically, when we see something that is not haram, we just free our selves to do it, but we don't take on account that it might be makruh (which Allah didn't forbid, but HE hates it). do you get what I mean?

we always take just the minimum.

like some muslims never avoid going in places where alchool is sold, they just know it's not haram, and they go , with or without a reason. but they don't take into account that they are doing some that Allah swt hates.

so I mean, we should also try to get away from things which are makruh.
just bc Allah swt didn't make it haram, it's not very good to do it, while we know Allah doesn't like that deed.

I hope u get what I'm saying/.

[vpb]

just bc now Harry potter is not haram? but is something which is not prefered in Islam, should we go ahead and do it? our objective is to get closer to Allah, trying to do as much as possible deeds which please Allah swt, and avoid those that don't.

I know we can't do that 100%, but at least agree with the fact that Harry potter is not a good thing for muslims. there are other way for entartainment

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ lol yeah mashaAllah, i agree, may Allah put love in our hearts for good deeds and hatred for evil deeds. Ameen

[Malaikah]

why do we always ask "is it haram? is it makruh"??
i mean why would we want to do something which doesn't please Allah swt?? we can't be perfect, but at least try to go away from such things, at the very least say

:sl:

That is true but at the same time we shouldn't overwhelm people, not every one is at the level that they are able enough to give up makruh things as well as haram. :thumbs_up

but I can't understand muslims defending their wish to watch/read HP

Watching is a whole different story... that filled with haram stuff, like music, inappropriate dress etc. :blind:

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Watching is a whole different story... that filled with haram stuff, like music, inappropriate dress etc. :blind:

yeah i heard the age rating is going up aswell... you know what that means +o(

it might not be tru tho..

[Malaikah]

Age rate? I think that is because it gets 'scarier' lol.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Age rate? I think that is because it gets 'scarier' lol.

naa... i read order of the pheonix before i started practising.

trust me its more then just scarier :rollseyes

[vpb]

^ lol yeah mashaAllah, i agree, may Allah put love in our hearts for good deeds and hatred for evil deeds. Ameen

ameen.

That is true but at the same time we shouldn't overwhelm people, not every one is at the level that they are able enough to give up makruh things as well as haram.

I know, you can't go to a person that recently embraced islam to tell him "leave the music, it's not allowed... bla bla bla".. bc he still is not able to accept it.

but when you have someone trying to prove to you that it's not this but that, that is is a different story.
but yeah I get your point :)

Watching is a whole different story... that filled with haram stuff, like music, inappropriate dress etc.

well reading is not that far from watching. still it doesn't change anything, ppl can use their imagination to create the scene.

same as when we read Qur'an, verses about Hell , we try to think about how is the feel, so it's not much difference between watching and reading, it's just that watching is more relaxing and easy to understand :)

[Nerd]

Following is a verse from the Quran and an Hadith pertaining to Magic... Why is it so hard for a Muslim to read whats in the Quran and try to understand them?

"And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this." (Surah: Al-Baqarah, 2:102)



Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Avoid the seven great destructive sins." The people enquire, "O Allah's Apostle! What are they? "He said, "To join others in worship along with Allah, to practice sorcery, to kill the life which Allah has forbidden except for a just cause, (according to Islamic law), to eat up Riba (usury), to eat up an orphan's wealth, to give back to the enemy and fleeing from the battlefield at the time of fighting, and to accuse, chaste women, who never even think of anything touching chastity and are good believers. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 51, Number 28)

Aren't we supposed to rely on the Holy Quran and Hadith? :?

Does the harry potter books teach us real magic?

[snakelegs]

this thread really surprises me. i know there are some christians who object to HP, but i never expected muslims to have a problem with it. :confused:
(btw, i've never read them - saw about 10 minutes of the 1st movie and didn't like it.) so i can't comment on HP itself one way or the other.

[mohammed farah]

Harry potter haram?

Question: I was wondering if watching and reading the “Harry Potter” series is okay? “Harry Potter” books and movies are about magic, and I know that magic is not permissible in Islam. So I just want to make sure if it is okay or not.


Answer:In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, we commend your pursuit of knowledge and your keenness to seek what is lawful and avoid what is not. We earnestly implore Allah to bless your efforts in this honorable way.

‘Harry Potter’ books and movies are all about magic and mythology, and that is why reading or watching them is to be avoided. There is almost a consensus among Muslim scholars that learning magic is haram. For sure, there are many useful books and movies to read and watch other than ‘Harry Potter’. The issue becomes more dangerous when parents allow their children to watch or read such stories as it may affect their creed in their earliest years.

Responding to the question, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Mukhtar Al-Shinqiti, Director of the Islamic Center of South Plains, Lubbock, Texas, states the following:

"Traditionally, there is almost consensus among Muslim scholars that learning magic is haram. They base their argument on the verse mentioning people who learn magic: “And they learn what harms them, not what profits them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew.” (Al-Baqarah: 102)

According to the trustworthy people who read the works of “Harry Potter” it is all about magic and mythology. Therefore, I would not advise young people to read it or parents to give it to their children.

The attractive way in which these works are done is very dangerous and might negatively affect the basic concept of `aqeedah or Islamic creed and values of our youth. People of knowledge recognize the impact such artistic works might have on the mind and soul. The late well-known Muslim poet, Muhammad Iqbal, is quoted to have said: “Aridity of logic cannot overwhelm the beauty of poetry.”

Therefore, a Muslim is advised to stay away from these attractive but poisonous works."

[vpb]

Why is it so hard for a Muslim to read whats in the Quran and try to understand them?

I know bro, but trying to comment on verses, or trying to say this is halal or haram without having the amount of knowledge required is haram.

Is there any of us here, that knows by heart the groups of verses classified for each subjects?
how much do we know about the verses, why were they revealed, how many hadiths do we know and all that it comes with them??

Aren't we supposed to rely on the Holy Quran and Hadith?

of course bro, it's just that we can't start defining halal haram, and commenting , everyone with his opinion.

just quick example for the end,


let's take the hadith from Bukhari , which we know there is no doubt about the hadiths in Bukhari,

Volume 2, Book 13, Number 2: Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) said, "Anyone of you attending the Friday (prayers) should take a bath."


ok, so what we can see from here, is that Messenger of Allah saws, is ordering us to take a bath on fridays.
now imagine if anyone would start commenting on their own,
we would start telling ppl, it is obligatory for muslim to take bath,
but in reality we see that the matter for this hadith is totally different, bc the hadith is abrogated, we bath is not obligatory anymore (apart from imam Malik who says that it is).

but you see we can't go on our own. We need to depend on people who have wider range of knowledge. they present us the evidences, and that we follow them.

[vpb]

(btw, i've never read them - saw about 10 minutes of the 1st movie and didn't like it.) so i can't comment on HP itself one way or the other.

lol me too, not bc of Islam, but even before, I never liked it. I used to mess with my friend in high school about Harry potter, lol.

[snakelegs]

lol me too, not bc of Islam, but even before, I never liked it. I used to mess with my friend in high school about Harry potter, lol.

we are a Select Minority! :D

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Aren't we supposed to rely on the Holy Quran and Hadith? :?

Does the harry potter books teach us real magic?

dear brother/sister. in fiqhi matters like this we need to turn to the scholars, there could be so much we're missing out, please refrain from looking a few sources and basing your whole judgement on that...

[vpb]

we are a Select Minority!

shurup you snake :p you're a sci-fi yourself, you don't even have arms :p

[Nerd]

I totally agree with you vpb :)

[Malaikah]

Responding to the question, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Mukhtar Al-Shinqiti, Director of the Islamic Center of South Plains, Lubbock, Texas, states the following:

"Traditionally, there is almost consensus among Muslim scholars that learning magic is haram. They base their argument on the verse mentioning people who learn magic: “And they learn what harms them, not what profits them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew.” (Al-Baqarah: 102)

:sl:

Not trying to sound like I know more than this guy or anything...

but magic in Islam= jinns

magic in Harry Potter= waving wands etc.

That fatwa implies that the type of magic in Harry Potter is real and can be learned. But it isn't real and we obviously can't learn it. :rollseyes

[Nerd]

There are many spells in Harry Potter check out this link if anybody is interested http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spells_in_Harry_Potter
But I wonder how authentic or real "Harry Potter" magic is?

[vpb]

Not trying to sound like I know more than this guy or anything...

but magic in Islam= jinns

magic in Harry Potter= waving wands etc.

isn't it enough that you are watching about something called 'magic' wether it matches with the concept of magic in islam or not?

if the movie would have 'magic of jinns', then it wouldn't be sci-fi, but they have to make up something in order to make it as sci-fi, but in general the term used for the movie is magic.

but anyways. loll. i'm getting sick of harry. ;D

[Malaikah]

But is doesn't make sense that the fatwa is comparing the too things when they are totally different! :?:confused:

[vpb]

But is doesn't make sense that the fatwa is comparing the too things when they are totally different!

ok , let's make it simple,

just imagine, even someone would approach Muhammed saws, or even one of the sahabas, and tell them, watch this movie or read the book, and at the end tell me what do u think of it? is it good for a muslim?

what do u think the response would be? just be honest :)

[Malaikah]

I doubt they would waste their time on it, but that doesn't answer my question really...

[vpb]

I doubt they would waste their time on it, but that doesn't answer my question really...

how do u mean it doesn't answer your question?? the point is whether HP is good for muslims or not? if u know that Muhammed saws or the sahabas would not feel good about this thing, than what's gonna answer your question?

1.Fatwa is given that HP is not recommend to be watched.
2. Common sense tells u the same
3. We know Allah swt told us not to waste time.

what more?

[Malaikah]

I was talking about comparing the type of magic mentioned in the Quran (real magic) to fake 'magic'...

[vpb]

I was talking about comparing the type of magic mentioned in the Quran (real magic) to fake 'magic'...

as I said above

if the movie would have 'magic of jinns', then it wouldn't be sci-fi, but they have to make up something in order to make it as sci-fi, but in general the term used for the movie is magic.

so the same principle the movie has, about MAGIC, it doesn't matter whether the magic can be applied or not, it's the fact that you are spending time on watching something, which is not good.
We don't seek help from magic, but from Allah swt. So what would it matter if it is from jins, or in imaginary terms the magic of HP?? it is teaching u help from other than Allah swt, wether it's sci-fi or not. It is teaching u that principle.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

and now we leave the rest to the scholars, lets all :X :D

[vpb]

and now we leave the rest to the scholars, lets all

scholars have already cleared up this issue, but it's the problem between us trying to accept it :p ;D

[Nerd]

Still I really wonder!!! Does the type of Magic and spells shown on Harry Potter work in real life?

[mariam.]

actually, the first time I hear this info (that Harry potter Haram) .. I hear it from christian woman ( she is a caller in One of the bible camps).

and I don't know If she is rightful or not ... anyway Allah knows best

peace

[The Ruler]

ok , let's make it simple,

just imagine, even someone would approach Muhammed saws, or even one of the sahabas, and tell them, watch this movie or read the book, and at the end tell me what do u think of it? is it good for a muslim?

what do u think the response would be? just be honest :)

wouldn't that apply to a LOT of things that we do today?... yet we let those pass *sigh*

Still I really wonder!!! Does the type of Magic and spells shown on Harry Potter work in real life?

abracadabra alakazam! Oh my good Lord! A frog just appeared!


juuuust kidding =D

:w:

[vpb]

wouldn't that apply to a LOT of things that we do today?... yet we let those pass *sigh*

lollll. ;D we can't make things halal haram by using such things. but what I wanted to show is that, just imaging how would Prophet saws respond to a movie which contains the MAGIC principle , creatures that don't exist etc. ??? when we know his character and what he preached.
but it's not something to use for defining wether it is halal or haram. I just wanted to show that the character of a muslim is not impressed by such things.

[The Ruler]

but it's not something to use for defining wether it is halal or haram.

in which case, it is irrelevant to the question asked.

:w:

[vpb]

in which case, it is irrelevant to the question asked.

it seems that you are replying based on reading just the first post.
I didn't intend with the above examples to prove wether it is haram or not, bc I can't do it like that, and I wouldn't want to, cuz I'm not a scholar, but I just wanted to show that it doesn't fit with muslim's character. There many things which by common sense you can see that it doesn't fit with muslim's character, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's haram.

It is with the behavior of the muslim to not drink water while eating food, but it doesn't mean that it is haram now to drink water while eating food.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

i agree with all of VPB's points,


anyone who says "if your gonna say that then do that" , subhanAllah are these people discouraging the recommendations of scholars? it reminds me of freshies who say, go jummah and read quran but dont keep a beard.

oh come on! if you discourage descourage all, if you encourage then encourage all. NO i am NOT saying act upon all, do we look like angels? no but the more we encourage inshaAllah the more we feel inclined to act upon it ourselves...

i hope i made sense..

[vpb]

anyone who says "if your gonna say that then do that" , subhanAllah are these people discouraging the recommendations of scholars? it reminds me of freshies who say, go jummah and read quran but dont keep a beard.

yeahh, I wonder why the ummah is in such a state.

oh come on! if you discourage descourage all, if you encourage then encourage all. NO i am NOT saying act upon all, do we look like angels? no but the more we encourage inshaAllah the more we feel inclined to act upon it ourselves...

I mean we are not as Muhammed saws or sahabas, our iman is way lower than theirs. But at least a muslim should know that it's not good to do such things.

u know if a smoker says to me "I know smoking is bad, but I'm trying to quit", I understand , but when someone says "no smoking is not bad", then that is dangerous. At least muslims should acknowledge what is good and bad for muslim's character. I'm not saying that we should act 100% on it, cuz we will make mistakes, we are not perfect, but as Muhammed saws said, try to be near perfection. I can't pretend that I use the time exactly as a muslim should but at least accept the fact that something is bad, so that we may teach our kids , so they can grow up not liking these bad things.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

u know if a smoker says to me "I know smoking is bad, but I'm trying to quit", I understand , but when someone says "no smoking is not bad", then that is dangerous. At least muslims should acknowledge what is good and bad for muslim's character. I'm not saying that we should act 100% on it, cuz we will make mistakes, we are not perfect, but as Muhammed saws said, try to be near perfection. I can't pretend that I use the time exactly as a muslim should but at least accept the fact that something is bad, so that we may teach our kids , so they can grow up not liking these bad things.

mashaAllah, spot on bro :)

[The Ruler]

:sl:

i get what you mean. But then telling someone to do what you don't do,

oh come on! if you discourage descourage all, if you encourage then encourage all. NO i am NOT saying act upon all

wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?

but that's off-topic.

I understand what you meant... when you said:

It is with the behavior of the muslim to not drink water while eating food, but it doesn't mean that it is haram now to drink water while eating food.

but the thing is, it doesn't say whether harry potter is haraam or not. In this case, the answer is ambiguous. right?

:w:

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

:salamext:

I came across something on Islamqa:

Islam does not forbid leisure or having fun in permissible ways. The basic rule concerning these games is that they are permissible so long as they do not get in the way of obligatory duties such as establishing prayer [i.e., praying properly and on time] and honouring one’s parents, and so long as they do not include anything that is haraam. There are, however, many haraam elements in these games, such as the following:

• Games which depict wars between the people of this world (“good guys”) and people from the sky (“bad guys”), with all its implications of accusations against Allaah, may He be glorified, or the noble angels.
  
• Games which involve sanctifying the cross or passing over or by it to gain strength, to bring one back to life or the give the player extra “lives” and so on. Also, games which are used for designing birthday cards as in Christian culture are also forbidden.
  
• Games which approve of witchcraft/magic, and which glorify witches/magicians/sorcerers, etc.
  
• Games which are based on hatred of Islam and Muslims, like the game in which a player gets 100 points if he hits Makkah, 50 points if he hits Baghdaad, and so on.
  
• Games that glorify the kuffaar and show pride in belonging to them, like games in which if a player chooses an army belonging to a kaafir state he becomes strong, and if he chooses an army belonging to an Arab state he becomes weak. Also, games which teach a child to admire kaafir sports clubs and the names of kaafir players.
  
• Games that include depictions of nudity, and some games that allow the winner to see a pornographic picture; games that corrupt morals, such as games where the idea is to run away with a girlfriend from the bad guys or a dragon.
  
• Games based on ideas of gambling.
  
• Music and other things that are known to be forbidden in Islam.
  
• Physical harm, such as damage to the eyes and nervous system; harmful effects of game sounds on the ears. Modern studies have shown that these games may be addictive and harmful to the nervous system, as well as causing stress and nervous tension in children.
  
• Making children get used to violence and criminality, and teaching them to take killing and murder lightly, as in the famous “Doom” game.
  
• Corrupting children’s sense of reality by teaching them about a world of illusions and impossible things, such as coming back from the dead, supernatural powers that do not really exist, images of space aliens, and so on.

We have gone into details about some of the ideological dangers and things that are prohibited by Islam because many fathers and mothers do not pay attention to these things, and they bring these games for their children and let them play with them.

The same could also be applied to books, right? Harry potter clearly falls in to the bold and underlined part. Allahu A'lam.

12.This is not a Fiqh discussion board. Prolonged threads arguing over Fatwas and the details of Islamic law will be closed. Avoid asking questions that require a Scholar or Shaykh, as there is no one on the board qualified to answer your questions. Please use other knowledgeable means such as a scholar, Imam or knowledgeable person in your area or provide sources.

A lot of people seem to be speaking without knowledge, therefore;

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