From another forum......
Assalam Alaikam Rahmatullah Wabaraktu,
Again, it seems that some muslims and non-muslims have accused the taliban of massacres and other baseless propaganda the taliban have been accused of. Surely, as usual falsehood is bound to perish.
Also, before you post on this thread, please no comments that are opinions. Just ask questions, and if anyone is knowledgeable about Afghanistan, and its history then they may respond. If not, do not post opinions of what do you think, if you disagree with my information, then ask a question. Do not give me baseless comments and opinions without applying the question in a just manner. If you agree, JazakAllah khair, May Allah swt reward you.
Three Qualifications before you ask a Question"
1) You have visited Afghanistan before, during and after the Taliban rule
2) You must at least provide sources for what you accuse the Taliban of
3) If you are neither the two, then its best to just be quiet and do not comment. If you want, you may private message.
1) Accusation of not Allowing women in Schools-
Schools were established in Afghanistan for women and men, both alike. It was separate in different facilities due to Sharia law being implemented. The accusation stands that the Taliban did not allow women to attend educational institutions.
A- 10 years of war, 4 years of civil war, the only books left were communist books being imposed
B- 90 Percent of the infrastructure of Afghanistan was destroyed due to Russian invasion and civil war
C- Most of the educational systems were destroyed
D- Sanctions and other governments did not care about Afghanistan, therefore where are the Taliban going to build an educational system, when no one in the world cares?
If these still does not convince you.
The Taliban, Education and Health Policy Toward Girls. (untold Truth)
"According to a survey by the Swedish Comittie for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of girls schools were located in rural afghanistan and under the Taliban were operating in full swing. Ms Pia Karlsson, education advisor at the SCA, said 85% of girls were stil in schools. In KunduzProvince, under the Taliban, 122 girls schools were operating, with 390 registered female teachers!"
The Taliban were the prime target in an Anti-Islamic drive in the media, to prepare the public for war against them.
All the women who shrill at the burqa, were silent when 2 million afghans died from Russian bombs, they were silent went 500'000 afghans were maimed by mines, and were silent about thousands of women who were raped before the Taliban came to power.
General Hamid who lived under the Taliban for several years.
There has been no campaign aimed at beating women in public, and there has been no ban on education for women. Only a restriction on co-education.
There are many lies on "respected websites about the "suffering" of Afghan women, yet there are no dates, names, places or anything other form of verification. Hamid gul says he found women almost always-outnumbered men in the streets and market places.
The Afghan women protesting in the west come from the Khalq and parcham factions of Afghan communists. They represent a tiny fraction of the population.
The Taliban were extra strict on these communist women to ensure they didn't cause friction and trouble and stir up trouble. The women only had to wear the Burqa in the streets, at home; they were free to dress as they pleased. According to a female nurse, women in hospitals rarely wore the burqa or even hijab as there were no men present.
According to a survey by the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of girl's schools were located in rural Afghanistan and under the Taliban were operating in full swing. Ms Pia Karlsson, education advisor at the SCA, said 85% of girls were still in schools. In KunduzProvince, under the Taliban, 122 girls schools were operating, with 390 registered female teachers!
Prior to Taliban rule, there were 350 beds in Kabul for women. In august 2001, there were 950 beds for women in women only hospitals in Kabul. Some women only hospitals include RabiaBalkhiHospital, MalaliHospital, KhairKhanaHospital, IndiraGandhiHealthHospital, Atta Turk Hospital, Kuwait Red Crescent health Centre and a Contagios Disease Health Clinic! There were also 32 Mother and Child clinics.
In addition, the women received treatment at the ICRC and Sanday Gal Orthopaedic Centres. In All these hospitals and centres, only women doctors and nurses worked providing health care.
Yet the Sun, Dailey express, New York Times, and all these tabloid press agencies never reported any of this, neither did the BBC, CNN, Fox news etc. It was part of a campaign of lies and deception to turn the public against the Taliban.
You were told women couldn't work, women could not go out the house, that women could not go to school, or even go to hospitals, well the facts are proving otherwise.
2) I will not bring up anymore, i would love to ask those who accuse the taliban of oppression to bring your evidence if you are clear in truth, Intellectual debates should be established on this thread.
Note: I advise you to be smart in this debate.
What about some of the videos that are circulation on the net, supposedly of Taliban beating up women?
First video - The woman shot in the head in the Soccer Stadium
This punishment was due to a crime in which that woman had murdered her husband and sleeping with their child. The tribe of the husband have asked the Taliban to perform a public execution of the woman or otherwise they would handle the case.
The Taliban as instructed by the Council, were ordered to execute the woman for the murder of her husband and sleeping with the child.
Second video - The woman beaten on the street in Kabul
This is the most interesting video, since the cameraman forgot to show the full film and record what was occurring.
A narrow minded Talib patrol was speaking with a woman and noticed from his point of view that she was not properly covered, in which he started whipping her with a stick. However, if you look towards the end of this video, you see another Talib member stopping the man from hitting the woman with the stick.(which should draw some conclusions)
Some Talib's were nice, while other's were very intimidating to watch. In the case of this man, he had witnessed over 10 years of war and 4 years of civil war, losing his family. Surprisingly, he is still sane and attempts to adhere to his religion as best as he can after continuous hardship.
2 suggestions in this case
1) the man who had hit the woman with the stick was very narrow-minded and did not fully understand the consequences of his actions
2) If one police officer beats a man or a woman in Los angeles, do we blame the whole United States Police Force?
The taliban were not perfect, although they're law and implementation may seem rigid, they came the closest to a true Islamic Sharia compared to other taghut regimes and non-islamic based governments.
And the man who beat that woman with the stick was relieved of his command and punished.
JazakAllah khair for the questions,
May Allah swt bless you with increase iman and send you to firdaus..
And what about Buddah Statues?
The Buddah Statues-
1) No one cared about the children of Afghanistan after the Russian invasion or its people. Children living in huts next to the statues were starving.The world was in love with the buddahs of bamiyan. The taliban ambassador have stated that buddhas of bamiyan were blown with the help of Saudi and Pakistani engineers over their rage that UNICEF would only provide funds to protect the Statues.
When it was the British who used the statues for target practice and nearly wanted to blow the statues apart in the first Anglo war, yet no one mentions that.
2) It is an Islamic ruling to rid of all Idols whether worshiped in the past or in the present, this was the practice of Ibrahim Alayhisalam and Muhammad sws.
If you are your children are starving at home, and i am a wealthy billionaire, i tell you that i will protect a certain aspect of your house, but i will not give you or your family any money for food or clothing.
If you had the means of getting rid of that part of your home, would you do it?
You are a mumeen who believes that all forms of Idols should be destroyed, you see a very large idol, and know through the Quran and Sunnah that Muhammad sws and Ibrahim Alayhisalam destroyed all forms of Idols.
Would you do it?
JazakAllah khair, Assalam Alaikam, And Again May Allah swt raise your iman and may you be in firdaus...
What about Hazara propaganda that Taliban *massacred* their people.
Two massacres had occurred, both in retaliation from the Taliban.
The Hazara, one of the leader's of them being Dostum, who was a savage warlord who was once backed by communism, between him and rabbani both feuding warlords who turned kabul into rubble during the civil war. In the case of hazara, certain hazara soldiers were told to rape and humiliate poshtun women and children. The reason being is that if anyone knows poshtun culture, one would realize that humiliation is worse than murder.
The hazara in Mazar who were mostly communist backed, as the Northern alliance who consisted of former communist backed warlords who also sought aid from Europe to fight the established Islamic State. The Hazara and other northern alliance commanders butchered thousands of poshtuns, in retaliation the taliban had done the same, to get equal.
One brutal talib leader who also abused the Sharia was Mullah Dadullah, who was told by the Taliban to leave for his brutality.
Mullah Dadullah however holds a strong grudge towards the hazara due to majority of his close associates and relatives were massacred and tortured at their hands.
"And if two parties from the believers fight amongst themselves, then make peace between the two. And if one of the two parties rebels against the other, then FIGHT the party that is rebellious until the order of Allah does come to pass..." [Quran 49:9]
The northern alliance rebelled against the established Islamic State, for those who overpraise Ahmed Shah Masood. Show me one documented battle in which he fought outside of pansjir valley for.
So the so-called massacre of hazara was in retaliation for the massacre of poshtuns.
Then some might bring you a statement from hazara.net stating what the mullah said "hazara are not muslim, you can kill them", which was a mistranslation in which he states if you find any hazara who denies sharia and rebells against you then you may kill him since he is not a muslim considering his statues of fighting an established Islamic State.
Now Comes the person who had asked about Taliban profiting from Opium.
Undoubtedly, you do not have to be even a mumeen to understand this.
Under the Taliban rule, Opium was eradicated from Afghanistan. However, since the Democratic rule, it has been revived. The taliban do not get their funding from opium, to state this, bring your proof.
Btw, when you ask a question, bring your evidence to support a claim.
Taliban nearly eradicate all Opium from Afghanistan
It is Hamid Karzai's brother Ahmed, who is profiting from the Opium, he is known to be one of the biggest drug dealers in Afghanistan. Opium was not started by the taliban, but condemned and nearly eradicated by them.
To say the Taliban get their funding from Opium, you simply just have to provide evidence, and if you do, i will refute your evidence.