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Abdu-Rahman,Kai
08-26-2005, 02:42 PM
A.S.A! I am interested about all science and bible (and history) oriented proofs on behalf of Islam, from all fields, and I think I have found some that maybe non-other has noticed before, so please help translating and spreading them, to increase faith of us all (it surely did it for me, very strong reasons why I accepted Islam, and I think we should use bible and science to convince others, as they do not recocgnise authority of Koran or even read it before it, I put many links if some will not open in one hour due to high traffic) :

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Both earth and heavens had their own six periods ("days") of creation, here is phases for creation of the heavens (in parts below explaining how you can notice this difference in Koran):
This was one possible meaning for these six "days"/"periods of time" in creation of universum:
1."Big Bang", 2.Hydro- and helium-atoms core/centre forming couple of minutes after it , 3. 300 000 years from Big Bang Hydro- and helium-atoms formed comletely and backround radiation is formed, 4. First stars and galaxies are formed, building blocks for universum from stars exploiding, 5. Our Milky Way-galaxy is born, and so building blocks for our sun system, 6. Our sun system is born and our planet is "brought together" from meteors finally.

Here is spoken about creation of earth in six "days", later about (earlier) creation of heavens:

41:9-10"Say (Muhammed): Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance)."
&nbs p; He gave us blessing even this point, continental-plates and with them beginning of evolution on mountains, although even before that there were higher formations on earth. At that early stage mountains may have not be yet so "high above ground" as now, but as soon as those started to develope it was beginning of it, leading into it, and still more higher than other parts of earth. So " set high above" may be later time than this two "days"/periods from creation of earth (maybe it has been last four days or all six, still going on), because when Allah will "set" something to happen, it is, has been and will be, Allah has known always He will do it (and that is answer for those "who ask").
&nbs p; Miracle of Koran proving it is not from man is that Allah does not say that sun will set to west and rise from east, as it does not do so in north at summer, it sets and rises more closer to north than west/east. He only says that He is lord of east and west. Only Abraham is said to have spoken in arguement (2:258) that "But it is Allah that causeth the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West.", wich might prove that profets are not all-knowing, which is proven by two different statements by Allah and Moses in 55:17 and 26:28, as Moses spoke only about one east and west, and Allah about two of both (think about earth divided by lines on both sides, both line has own west/east)

Above here is spoken about six different "day" of creation (of earth) than in these two "days" below.
So here is about creation of heavens (in these verses about our galaxy and sun-system, happening partly same time with formation of earth):
41:11-12
"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) SMOKE (/hot gas, "Dukhaan"): He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye TOGETHER, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience." So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge."
&nbs p; These two "days" (periods) above are fifferent from ayats 9-10, obviously last two "days" in ayat 11. ("smoke"= 5.formation of our milky way-galaxy, "come ye together"= 6.birth of our sun system from our galaxy). "To it and to earth" may also mean both separately or both coming together, or then both, as in heavens/earth (in pieces of meteors) forming from gas "smoke"), an then in meteor-bombing of earth. As we know, starfogs forming galaxies especially in the early stages of universum (more recently our own galaxy and its star-system of sun, which both "sky" could be here) have been plenty of looking like smoke filling the space before higher amount of stars and planets, and look like smoke even now (in more younger systems). "Dukhaan" (arabic) in Koran means smoke/HOT gas. These "circles of clouds" formed for example planets, so "sky" did come "together" WITH ITSELF. Matter of Earth has been born from stardust before our star developed, and so it is originated from explosions of earlier stars and their "smoke/gas", also more harder rocks and dust were brought "together" to form the earth, formed from gas ("smoke") coming together. Moon of earth were born from collision of Earth and planet size of Mars, so "sky" (our galaxy and star-system) and Earth BOTH coming together most likely means that (and bombardment of asteroids). If beduin back then realized that earth and sky have same origin, it is BIG miracle itself. Later Earth came "together" ALSO WITH ITSELF when it cooled down and were devided into different layors, and when continents formed super-continents.


Think that in these "AND" word will split the sentence, like dot, and you see that both earth and heavens, and all between them (=heavens), each had their own six days of creation:
50:38
"We created the heavens and the earth -----------------and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us."
57:4
"He it is Who created the heavens -----------------------------and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do."
32:4
"It is Allah Who has created the heavens -------------------------and the earth, and all between them, in six Days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): ye have none, besides Him, to protect or intercede (for you): will ye not then receive admonition?"
10:3
"Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens ----------------------and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?"
25:59
"He Who created the heavens and the earth -----------------------------and all that is between, in six days, and is firmly established on the Throne (of Authority): Allah Most Gracious: ask thou, then, about Him of any acquainted (with such things)."
11:7
"He it is Who created the heavens ---------------------------------and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!"
7:54
"Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens -----------------------------------and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!"
&nbs p; In Koran Allah says that He created heavens and earth each in 6 PERIODS OF TIME (6 "days" can be even seen as false translation, it speaks about unknown periods of time which is commonly seen as days), with a differense compared to Bible that "all that is between" and "no weariness", He did not sleep/relax. "Day" could be understood as "God time", before sun or planets.
Relativity of time (according to A.Einsteins theory of relativity) can be seen in Koran at least in 32:5, 22:47, 70:4, 17:52, 10:45 and 23:112-114, in some circumstances/situations one of our days is described to be (for Allah) like for example "1000/50 000 years", one place where it is told to be like this (that time is relatively and for us might feel that we were on earth "day or part of of a day", 23:112-113) is the end of all, Judgement. For example big gravity slows down time beyond our understanding, people on the planet near black hole might seem for us not moving at all, but they live normal time.

6:125 "Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.
&nbs p; This is about painful pressure in avoid of space.

21:32 "We builded the heaven maintained and protective roof; yet they turn away from its signs."
&nbs p; As we know, our athmosphere protects us for example from meteors/space. Could be otherwise, Mars lost its athmosphere. Our universum protects us from hostile emptyness around it, if this means it.

76:1 "Has there not been over man (/mankind) a long period of time, when he was nothing -(not even) mentioned-?"
&nbs p; (Earliest) Human-like have been on this universum less than 6 seconds from "24 hours" of age of universum, modern humans less.

65:12 "It is Allah Who created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e. seven). His command descents between them (heavens and earth), that you may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah surrounds all things in His knowledge."
&nbs p; Now we know that our athmosphere has seven layers ("..earth the like thereof", for example stratosphere), but here (and from other parts talking about 7 heavens) you can possibly undestand that universum/universums (and their dimensions) have also 7 different layers/dimensions. First layer of heaven could be (night) sky seen by us (and either milkyway, our whole universum or even several universums in same "dimension level"), because when seen from space, it does not look like the earth would have any athmosphere ("heaven") between it and space. "7 heavens" can also be translated (at least in 23:17) also as "7 paths/tracks".

51:47 "With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, we are able to extend the vastness of space thereof."
&nbs p; Here is spoken about "heaven" in single form, obviously from our own universum. As we know, our universum is expanding still. According to Koran Allah will also roll up heaven in the end of all (21:104, 69:16, can mean collapsion, or expanding to emptyness and black holes, and Allah says there that He will "repeat creation" as He "began the first creation"). Maybe mankind has time up until then.

79:30-31 "And the earth, moreover, hath He formed in round shape (/egg shape, "dahaha", round like the ostrich's egg with flat sand around covering the egg from predators). He draweth out therefrom its water ("ma-aha") and its pasture."
&nbs p; 79:31 Says either that water was draweth from earth creating pasturage for animals (that use pasturage) like dinosaurs (as it does from under surface, after rains/near oceans or rivers for example), or that land (=pasturage) was draweth from water along with water. Later would be case if earth was very "flat" after meteor bombings and forming of oceans (from water in meteors), and so covered by oceans before land started to rise through usual "easing up" after high compressing pressure (from meteors/molten planet/water) and formation of continental plates (colliding together, lifting ground). Sea level has also been 600 meters higher 450 million years ago, and water has came from pieces of earth (pasturage), meteors/comets.

Result from continental plates, only continent of Pangaeia and it stretching to pieces, as dry paint stretches in balloon getting bigger, is mentioned on next places (remember that Suras in Koran are not in order as given, Sura 96 was given first), forming of mountains is mentioned in each after these:
80:26 "And We split the earth in fragments (/cleaving it asunder/clefts),"
&nbs p; This told us that earth has been once as one continent, but has been devided with continental plates as in many parts. It is connected into next part:
13:3 "...spread out the earth (/expand the earth, "madda al-ard")..."
15:19 "...the earth we have spread out (like a carpet, "maddadnaha"= "We expanded" or "We spread out"-"madda", which means "to stretch" or to "to expand" or "to spread out".)..."
20:53 "...like a carpet spread out (="mahda" literally means a flat road, or a road that is easy to walk on. It is similar to our highways today. They are easy to drive on.)..."
88:17-20 "....stretched the earth ("sutihat", streched)..."

Here is demonstrated motion of the earth in space:
77:25 "Have We not made the earth a fast moving object ("kifaata", like bird/horse whose traveller can not control it) with den of storage?"
55:10 "And the earth, is a running object ("wada´aha", like running camel or man) for the creatures"
78:6-7 "Have We not made the earth as a cradle ("mihaada", as cradle in motion) and the mountains like pegs?"
101:4 "It is a day where on mankind will be like moths ("farash") scattered about."
2:22 "Who has made the earth flying ("farsh", like flying insect / also couch), ..."
Earth is like running object/ cradle/ a flying insect which is proving motion of the earth.

80:26 above is connected into next part:
27:88 "And you see the mountains, you think them to be solid, and they shall pass away as the passing away of the cloud-- the handiwork of Allah Who has made every thing thoroughly; surely He is Aware of what you do."
Here is told many things: how mountains move with continental plates ("passing away", and actually clouds do not move but by movement of the earth as clouds are pushed by wind forward, which is affected by rotation of the earth creating winds, so mountains move because inner core of the earth is molten, which is also depended on rotation of the earth), and how mountains will eventually vanish from our sight (to ground level) by erosion as clouds will pass ("pass away") beyond horizon. We have mountains because our planet is not old enough, in billion years it might seem very different. Very interesting in this part is this:
15:19 "And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance."
Although "immovable" is interpretuation of translater, this part can be understood in such way. If someone think that this is just writings of ordinary man, why would this man put so much contradiction between these two parts (anyway no "contradiction" if 27:88 is understood only as telling only about erosion, but man from 7th century were not able to know that and would have ment movement of clouds), as he surely were able to keep other contradictions away? Answer is simple, mountains does not move but earth under them is moving, confirming 27:88. It can also hint for movement of earth in space, mountains moving along with it.

78:19 "And the heavens shall be opened as if there were doors,"
In the end universum will be full of black holes. This can also hint for wormholes.

age of universum in Koran:
22:47 "And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number."
Meaning that a Day with Allah is 1000 years for us in our reckoning in relation with the revolution of the Moon around the Earth ( it is the Hegire year) or the revolution of the Earth around the Sun ( Gregorian year).
70:4 "To Him ascend the Angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years."
&nbs p; In this verse of the Sura 'The way of Ascent' ( it is the Way which take the Angels from the Earth to the Heaven after having excecuted the duties necessary for the Life of our Planet and the Kosmos). We can note that Allah doesn't say "fifty thousand years of what you number" because the day in question in this verse is a time measure of a Gods day ( which each day is 1000 years in our reckoning ) and this day is the age of the Universe which all events of our life from heaven to earth ascend to Him.
Let's convert these God's Years in our norms :
50,000 * 365.2422 (days in human year) = 18,262,110 Allah's Days. One Day by Allah is corresponding 1000 years of our reckoning, therefore the Age of the Universe is :
18,262,110 * 1,000 = 18,262,110,000 years, that's to say that the age of the Universe is around 18, 1/4 Billions years. This number correspond exactly of the above article . After more than 14 centuries, Science and particularly Professor Jean-Claude Batelere of the "College de France" states that it is now a certitude that the Universe is 18 billions years old. Calculated with moon-year it is less. Note that others secrets are hidden in these two verses, and note this is only interpretation, not statement of Allah.

21:30 "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece (/as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder (/then We parted them)? We made from water every living thing, Will they not then believe?"
&nbs p; This passage not only just describe "Big Bang" (common origin of earth and heaven) and beginning of evolution from water (as He said that He created us from soil of the earth, from which our food, semen and growth is, that soil has formed from animals and plants originated from water), also "heavenS" (notice, many heavens) and earth can be seen as beeing said to be separately "joined together", and continental-plates have parted from Pangaia-continent (last time) for example (we can see it in continents fitting together like in a puzzle). According to latest theory "Big Bang" was created from crash of (out of our known borders) two other "embryonic" stage seeds of heavens, which came together and then formed two (or more) universums/dimensions (or two or more on different/same "levels", according to Koran stars are in lowest heaven, in other universums like ours). Heavens were together also as stars (fog), and as meteors.
&nbs p; Interesting is also part that told about creation of "all living things from water", because elsewhere in the Koran (36:36, 43:12, 51:49) Allah says He created EVERYTHING (means also other than living) as "pairs", I think it is telling about pair-like structure of an atom, and matter/antimatter kind of double standards. “Everything living from water” may be one of those direct messages for Muhammed and people of his time (“unbelievers” mentioned), meaning everything living that they can see on earth (“earth” was mentioned), as we now know that all living in this planet has come from water (life on other planets may be different thing, as we did not have to know about it back then). Koran is at the same time revelation partly for people (and Muhammed especially) of that time, also scientifically correct for people until this day, and all between. All of Koran is not mainly for people of this time, as many advices were given conserning only situation of that time (as for example fighting against arab-pagans), but it still consideres us also through knowing and understanding history. But if not speaking only about earth, it is propably that this same evolution is happening also in other planets, not just on earth.

70:8 "On the day when the heaven shall be as molten copper"
This could describe situation near (any habitated) planet when star near it is dying, perhaps in expansion period.

31:10 "He has created the heavens without any pillars that you can see..."
Koran gives a hint (or says NO to it all) that heaven could have "pillars" (which you can not see if there is not any). Science has noticed that space is full of gravitation-disorders, kind of small dots which form wide network of gravitation-behavior what may keep our universum from collapsin.
And if some object goes in space certain distance to one direction, then goes same distance to another direction, mass of object stays the same when going to different directions. That is because this object has its own gravity-point, where from pressure to all directions is same. Without this property whole university would collapse. Koran mentions quality of universum:

50:6 "Do they not look at the sky above them? How We have adorned it, and there are no flaws in it? "
Small looking things keep our universum not collapsing or turning to total chaos, small change in Earth orbit would freeze or fry us. Usually in other star-systems big gas-planets have moved closer to sun, and have swallowed small rock-planets. We have got as close to borders of our universum as we can, but beyond certain limits we are not able to see simply because there are not (yet born) anything that could send us any information. Only youngest stars cover sky in its limits, rest in our knowledge is guessing (expanding, birth of stars). We can only imagine what is near or beyond border, can it be crossed?

67:3-5 "He Who created the seven heavens one above another: no want of proportion wilt thou see in the creation of The Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw? Again turn thy vision a second time:(thy) vision will come back to thee dull (/tired) and discomfited, in a state worn out. And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest (/nearest) heaven with lamps, and We have made such (lamps) (as) missiles to drive away satans, and have prepared for them the chastisement of the blazing fire."
"One above another" could mean both closely and distant fom each others. Vision coming "back" could mean theory that if universum is roundly shaped, light would come back to place where it left (like our eyes) faded ("worn out"). Could "nearest heaven" mean our whole universum or just our own "Milky Way"-galaxy, that can be seen as a belt at night? Could "lowest" mean furthest border in our universum? Rest we will maybe understand more clearly later (ins Allah), there is lots of options what "Dzin´s" mean in Koran exactly, but we can not know even if "thin" area would be area of "forces of evil", as stronger good "central powers" (allied creations) drive them further away from older centrum in expanding space, to areas of new-born stars (lambs) wich make navigation difficult, moving with unstability (with out certain permanent, for any but God to know, course) very fast accross space like "missiles"?
Biggest miracle here is that Allah uses word "lamp" to describe (for our eyes) small (further) stars, but in other places calls those stars for example "constellation" (25:61) and simply "stars", but with them also in same place says our own sun as a "lamp". So Allah made clear that stars are also same kind of "lamps" like our own sun, only further away.

69:17 “And the angels will be on its (heavens) sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne of thy Lord above them.”
This might be meaning that our universum or other heavens (universums/levels/dimensions) above it might have eight corners, as square or as rectangle, or even as a saddle (as some research now suggest) (7)

57:25 "We sent down iron, in which is great might, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help..."
Rocks containing iron bombarded ("sent down") our planet, that gave its final form. Iron has come instrument of war, but also important for development after industrialization, as one benefit for mankind.

6:65 "Say:´He has power to send tornment on you from above or from under your feet, or to cover you with confusion in party strife, and make you to taste the violence of one another.` See how variously We explain the signs in diverse ways; that they may understand."
This part remainds mostly from meteors and floods (above), plus earthquaqes and volcano erruptions (below). Also wars are too common. Beduiin from seminomadic-desert population (with not much wars by strict tribe-hierarchy)?
Humankind brought (after their death) to judgement are descriped (in hadith of prophet) to have sun "close" to them, describing sounds same as predictions about our sun as a "red giant" (before it swallows the Earth), but it is impossible to know if it happens in this planet, world (/dimension) /time as we humans understand them. For gravity affects time, but it does not affect Allah.

25:61 "Blessed be He Who has placed in the heaven big stars (constellations/star mansions/star groups), and placed therein a great lamp and a moon reflecting (/giving) light."
When Bible talks about sun and moon as two different light giving object of sky, Koran does difference between them using different descriptions: Light (nur), when talking about moon, and torch (siraj), when talking about sun. First one is dead rock that reflects shine of light, second one is formation of heaven, with lots of fuel to burn (like in a torch) in a constant state of burning giving both heat and light (like a torch). Word "star" (najm) is completed by other word, that describes star as burning and moon (reflecting light) when its (stars) light forces its way through shadows of night: this word is "thaqib". Moon is not said to produce light, only reflecting it. Same way Islam can only reflect small proportion of shine from light of Allah, not all in any case.
In Koran "kawbab" seems to mean definitely planets, that are formations of heaven wich reflect light and does not produce light like stars. Now we know how structure of heaven is balanced by ordered orbit of stars and stability in (changes of) gravity, which are connected to their mass and speed of own movement. But isn´t this just what Koran describes when mentioning this basics for this balance of heaven in 21:33 with words, that were undestand not before our time:
21:33 "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course (/each in an orbit floating)."
55:5 "The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each (for reckoning).
As we now know, sun goes around centrum of our galaxy. Koran uses (for example 36:40) words "swim" and "floating", that sounds familiar with theory of space and time, how gravity affects in it by making a "hole" size of mass of celestial object (f.ex. sun), and how this "hole" in space-time field makes other bodies orbiting it to stay on their courses (bigger mass=bigger hole= more further away others have to be on "lower steps", so that too deep downhill in gravity will not swallow it, if too close). When in Europe they "knew" that sun is orbitting earth, this description could have been accepted even through their "science" (37:5 mentions "points of sun´s risings", 365, one for each day).

36:38 "And the sun runs unto a resting place (/runs on its fixed course for a term appointed), for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in might, the All-Knowing."
81:1-2 "When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up (/sun is wound round and its light is lost and overthrown); when the stars fall, losing their lustre;"
82:1-2 "When the sky is cleft asunder; when the stars are scattered;"
Koran says that sun travels place appointed to it in time appointed, and also mentions "wrapping up" (like scroll of papyrus) of everything (f.ex. 82:1-2) in the end of all (sun is wrapped before?), could these describe (sun) going to black hole? Theory is that universum either collapses, or it will get wider until it becomes empty, full of black holes swallowing everything. Prophet Muhammed said in hadith that "the sun and moon will be folded up (or joined together or deprived of their lights) on the Day of Resurrection".

39:5 "He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night"
Koran uses same verb to describe changes of day and night as is used in arabic for rolling turban around head, when sheets goes over and over around. This should make impression about round earth, because our heads are also. Ibn Tamiyah said 1328 AC all "celestial bodies" are round, because in 21:33 (for example) word "falak" is means spinning wheel (floating in orbit), also used as describeing young girls breasts.
7:54 "..He draweth the night as veil over the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession.."
Change of night and day, and those beeing on opposite sides of the earth, gives impression about beeing "hidden" and "seeking" of others continually. Darkness of night really looks like veil covered when looking from space.

3:94 "Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible. "
Most interesting thing in Astronomy is: Are there other intelligent life-forms in space. It is BIG space, is it waste of space? This part of Koran seems to give certain answer to it, here Allah directly ask that why should he take son from humans, because there are much more developed and intelligent life-forms (whom He is more pleased than to us) that He has created, if He wanted (to consive) a son? What could beduiin mean with that 1400 year ago? Camel? Dog? Apes thousands kilometers away?

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