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Samiira
07-20-2007, 06:58 AM
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I would like to know what you should say when you visit graveyard?.

I heard that you suppose to read 3 times sura fatiha and 11 times surah

ikhlaas, is this right?. am i allowed to say few Duas, and what kind of duas i

can say?.
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Malaikah
07-20-2007, 11:39 AM
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^Actually sis there are different opinions.:)

Question: I heard that al-Albânî permits women to visit the graveyard? Is this true? How does he explain the hadîth that reads: “Allah’s Messenger cursed the women who visit graves.”

Answered by the Fatwa Department Research Committee - chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî


Al-Albânî is of the opinion that women may visit the graves, and that is preferred for them to do so, but that they should not do so excessively.

Evidence that women are encouraged to visit the graveyard

He supported his opinion that women are encouraged – just like men – to visit the graves with the following evidence:

1. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I had prohibited you from visiting the graves, but now I encourage you to visit them.” [Sahîh Muslim (977)]

In another narration it reads: “I had prohibited you from visiting the graves, but now I encourage you to visit them, because they are a reminder of the Hereafter.” [Sunan Abî Dâwûd (3235) and Musnad Ahmad (23005)]

In Sunan al-Nasâ’î, it reads: “Indeed, I had prohibited you from three things: from visiting the graves, but now I encourage you to visit them, and may your visiting them increase you in goodness…” [Sunan al-Nasâ’î (4429 and 5653)]

This encouragement includes women, because when the Prophet (peace be upon him) had been prohibiting his followers from visiting the graves, the prohibition had been meant equally for men and for women. Therefore, when he lifted the prohibition, he did so for both men and women.

2. Women are equal with men with respect to the purpose for visiting the graves: which is to be reminded of the Hereafter and to soften the hearts.

3. The Prophet (peace be upon him) permitted women to visit the graves.

`Abd Allah b. Abî Mulaykah relates: `Âishah came one day from the graveyard, so I said: “O Mother of Believers, from where have you come?”

She said: “From the grave of `Abd al-Rahmân b. Abî Bakr.”

I said: “Did not the Prophet (peace be upon him) forbid visiting the graves?”

She said: “Yes, then he commanded us to visit them.”

[Mustadrak al- Hâkim (1/376), Sunan al-Bayhaqî (4/78) and Tamhîd Ibn `Abd al-Barr (3/233)]

In another narration, it reads at the end: “Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) permitted visiting the graves.” [Sunan Ibn Mâjah (1570)]

Al-Albânî comments: “Al-Hâkim does not talk about it and Imam al-Dhahabî says: ‘It is an authentic hadîth.’ Al-Busayrî says: ‘Its line of transmission is authentic and its men are trustworthy.’ The ruling on this hadîth is as they have stated.”

4. The Prophet (peace be upon him) saw a woman crying at a grave so he told her: ‘Fear Allah and be patient.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî (1252)] He did not forbid her from staying at the grave.

Evidence that women are not to make frequent visits to the graveyard

The proof that they should not be frequent visitors comes in the following hadîth:

1. Abû Hurayrah relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) cursed the women who are frequent visitors of the graves.” [Sunan al-Tirmidhî (1056) and Sunan Ibn Mâjah (1576)] This hadîth is at least good (hasan), and it is supported by other narrations to the level of being authentic (sahîh).

2. Hassân b. Thâbit relates: “Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) cursed the women who are frequent visitors of the graves. [Sunan Ibn Mâjah (1574)] Al-Albânî declares this hadîth to be acceptable (maqbûl) and sufficient for strengthening the hadîth of Abû Hurayrah to the level where it is authetic (sahîh).

There is a hadîth related by Ibn `Abbâs, which reads in certain narrations: “Allah’s Messenger cursed the women who visit graves.” [Sunan al-Tirmidhî (320), Sunan Abî Dâwûd (3236), Sunan al-Nasâ’î (2034), and Sunan Ibn Mâjah (1575)]

The word here is zâ’irât (women who visit) instead of zawwârât (women who are frequent visitors).

However, this hadîth is weak because one of its narrators, Abû Sâlih, is weak.

Also, even some narrations of this hadîth mention “frequent visitors” instead of “women who visit”.

On this basis, al-Albânî concludes: “It therefore becomes clear regarding this hadîth that the properly preserved wording is “frequent visitors”, since this is what is agreed upon in the hadîth of Abû Hurayrah and the hadîth of Hassân, as well as the narration of the majority of narrators of the hadîth of Ibn `Abbâs.”

He then says: “The word zawwârât indicates that the curse is directed only at women who visit the graves excessively and no one else. Therfore, this hadîth cannot be used to contradict the previously mentioned hadîth that indicate it is encouraged for women to visit the graveyard, because this hadîth is specific and those hadîth are general. Each hadîth, therefore, must be applied to its own context.”

He explains the reason why women should not visit the graves excessively: “This could lead them to fall into something that is contrary to Islamic teachings, like wailing, making a public display of themselves, taking the graves as places or relaxation and holiday, or wasting time in idle conversation. This is just like the situation that we see today in some Muslim countries. This is what is meant by the hadîth.”

[Refer to: al-Albânî, Ahkâm al-Janâ’iz wa Bada`uhâ (229-237)]

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Umu 'Isa
07-20-2007, 11:41 AM
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Oh ok, jazaki Allaah khayr sis :)
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MuslimSis&proud
07-20-2007, 12:02 PM
JazakAllah khair sister Malaikah for sharing that post :)
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Samiira
07-24-2007, 09:07 AM
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JazaAllah khair sis Malaikah for that information it really helped.

My second question would be am i allowed to say few duaas and what kind of duaas i can say?. Am i allowed to read quraan there and what suraahs can i read?. Hope you get it what i mean
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Abdul Fattah
07-30-2007, 09:17 PM
The sunnah dua for visiting the graves is this:

"السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ أَهْلَ الدِّيَارِ, مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ, وَ إِنَّا إِنْ شَاءَ اللهُ بِكُمْ لاَحِقُونَ [وَيَرْحَمُ اللهُ المسْتَقْدِمِينَ مِنَّا وَ الْمُسْتَأْخِرِينَ] أَسْأَلُ اللهَ لَنَا وَ لَكُمُ الْعَافِيَة."

"Assalaamoe 'alaykoem ahla ddieyaarie miena el-moe-emieniena wal moesliemieen, wa iennaa ien shaa-a Allaahoe biekoem laah'ieqoon (wa yarh'amoe Allaahoe lmoestaqdiemieena miennaa wal moesta-ekhierieen) as-aloe Allaaha lenaa wa lakoemoe el'aafieyah."

it means:
peace be with you, occupiers of this place; of the believers and muslims. With Allah's will we shall meet you. (May allah hae merci with the first and the last of us.) I ask allah to grant us and you welbeing.

The source:
Moesliem 2/671, Ibn Maadjah 1/494 has transmitted it from Bariedah (may Allah have mercy with him). the part in brackets is what is transmitted from 'Aeshah (may Allah be pleased with her) and can be found in muslim 2/671.

Brother sunni student, do you happen to know what hadeethcollections those mentioned hadeeth from?
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Sunni Student
07-31-2007, 03:42 PM
The Hadith i posted regarding the practice of Ibn Umar is narrated in the Sunan al-Kubra of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.4 pg.56, and it has been classified as Hasan (sound) by Imaam Nawawiy and Hafiz ibn Hajar (RA). (al-Azkaar pg.212 Hadith493; al-Futuhaat al-Rabbaaniyya vol.3 pg.194)

It got deleted because they said it was weak, well obviously not all muhadditheen agree with that.

Anway here is a hadith which is not disputed with regards to its authenticity:

‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas narrates that Rasoolallah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) placed a branch into two graves whose inmates were receiving punishment. Rasoolallah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) said until the branch was fresh, their punishment would be reduced [Bukhari, vol. 2, hadith 460, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidi, Nasa’i, ibn Majah]

Imam ‘Ayni, [Umdatul Qari, vol. 1, p.874]
Imam Nawawi [Umdatul Qari, vol. 1, p.874]
Imam ‘Asqalani [Fath al-Bari, vol. 1, p.223]
Imam Qastalani [Irshad al-Sari, vol. 2, p.371]
Imam Suyuti [Sharh al-Sudur fi ahwal al-Mawti wa al-Qubur]

All the above have said all things do tasbih, so until the branch is fresh, the tasbih will cause a reduction in punishment.

Imam ‘Ali Qari writes that this hadith is the asl for reciting the Qur’an at graves because the recitation of the Qur’an to reduce punishment is better than the tasbih of the branch. [Mirqat Sharh Mishkat, vol. 1, p.286]

Imam ‘Ayni says the same [‘Umdatul Qari, vol. 1, p.874]
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AbuAbdallah
08-01-2007, 01:31 AM
Praise be to Allaah.

With regard to reciting Qur’aan when visiting the grave, this is something which has no basis in the Sunnah.

It is not prescribed in Islam, and the fact that it is not prescribed is supported by the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Do not make your houses into graveyards, for the Shaytaan flees from a house in which Soorat al-Baqarah is recited.” This was narrated by Muslim and al-Tirmidhi from the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah. This indicates that graves are not the place for reading Qur’aan, hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) encouraged reading Qur’aan in our houses and told us not to make them like graveyards where it is not read. Another hadeeth indicates that they (graveyards) are not the place for prayer (salaah) either. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Pray in your houses and do not make them like graves.” This was narrated by Muslim and others from Ibn ‘Umar. A similar report was narrated by al-Bukhaari, who included it in a chapter entitled Baab Karaahat al-Salaah fi’l-Maqaabir (Chapter on it being disliked to pray in graveyards); thus he indicated that the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar could be understood to mean that it is makrooh to pray in graveyards. Similarly the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah may be understood to mean that it is makrooh to read Qur’aan in graveyards. There is no difference between praying and reading Qur’aan in this regard. Abu Dawood said in his Masaa’il (p. 158): “I heard Ahmad being asked about reading Qur’aan at the graveside. He said, ‘No [that should not be done].’”
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