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mnbvcxz
08-06-2007, 08:44 AM
first of all, im a muslim so dont think im here just to anagonise.
i have been thinking about the idea of islamic domination in the world.

first, is it true, that islam says, become muslim, pay taxes or die?

why did the early muslims invade persia?

if we hate the kufar for misusing their power and forcing people to play by their economic book or being invaded. then how is the islamic conpect any better, if non-muslims have to pay tax or tribute?

imagine if there was a muslim world power, would they not do things just like how the west are doing today, 'either give us what we want or die' mentality?


thank you
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north_malaysian
08-06-2007, 08:50 AM
Well.... in our case (Malaysia), Islam was spread by traders... it's the Christians (Portuguese) that spread their religion by swords.
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mnbvcxz
08-06-2007, 09:02 AM
ok i understand that, but what will happen with a muslim super power?

wont they act just like how all super powers act?

why did the early muslims invade persia?
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Muslim Woman
08-06-2007, 09:07 AM
Salaam/peace;

Originally Posted by mnbvcxz
first of all, im a muslim
but u forgot to mention it in ur profile



so dont think im here just to anagonise.
what's the meaning ??




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i have been thinking about the idea of islamic domination in the world.

will u pl. think , even after 9/11 ( we don't know who did it really ; but Muslims are to blame for it ) , why so many Americans embraced Islam ?

Why in the west , thousands & thousands western women are rejecting the so-called freedom & accepting a religion that has been labelled as anti-woman ?



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first, is it true, that islam says, become muslim, pay taxes or die?

i guess , there is one more option ....leave the place :)


LOL , if u read other holy books , u will find to destroy a city totally if citizens are idol worshippers. In Islam , non-Muslims are allowed to follow their own religion.



pay tax ??? What's wrong with that ? Under Islamic law , Muslims are paying zakat ....so why not non-Muslims should pay ?


under Islamic rules , non-Muslims are called Dhimmi/ Jhimmi ...do u know the meaning ? Do u know what kind of facilities they are supposed to enjoy ?


why did the early muslims invade persia

ehhh , don't remember now...have to do a google search . They must had a genuine reason :)
If not , then bash Muslim ....don't put blame on Islam for wrong doing of some bad Muslims.


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how is the islamic conpect any better, if non-muslims have to pay tax or tribute?
already answered :)


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imagine if there was a muslim world powerwould they not do things just like how the west are doing today'either give us what we want or die' mentality

LOL Muslims must escort enemies if they want to hear the words of God. Show me this kind of command from other major holy books.

to catch one Laden , Americans are killing millions innocent people....this is not allowed in Islam.



Verses all need ..specially for the life hereafter


For, [when] God judges, there is no power that could repel His judgment: and swift in reckoning is He!

-Quran (13:41)
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mnbvcxz
08-06-2007, 09:13 AM
ok, let me ask you this. if someone comes to your door and says, either you join my gang, pay me protection money, or die. do you think that is fair?

listen i know what the west r doing today is bad in invading countries if they dont play by their economic rules.
but... my arguement is with a rule such as become muslim, pay tribute money or die, how is islam any better?

dont just blame the west, we know what is happening is bad, but give me a alternative which is better.

i know how islam treats people who want to know about islam
what about those that dont, what about those that dont want to be muslims and dont want to pay tribute, will they be killed?
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Muslim Woman
08-06-2007, 09:30 AM
Salaam/peace;


Originally Posted by mnbvcxz
....but... my arguement is with a rule such as become muslim, pay tribute money or die, how is islam any better?


because all other religions are not giving u much options ...either convert or die . So ,which one is better ? To pay when all other including Muslims are paying & be the Dhimmi ?

become ' protected ' citizens under a ruler mean ....if any enemies attack ur country ..u won't have to fight , Muslims will do it for u :)

u will enjoy religious freedom , ur prayer house won't be detroyed.


if a non-Muslim is not doing anything against God , Islam , humanity----- s/he must not be attacked.


If s/he disobeys God , create unrest in the earth , then Islam teaches us to fight against the evil.


Prophet Muhammed (p) was tortured & was forced to leave his birthplace because he asked people not to assiociate partner with God. After long 13 years , he got permission from God to fight back.
Fire worshippers , idol worshipper were given various choices ----as u already mentioned & i added.

Idol worshippers who tortured Muslims , killed them for not bowing down to idols ......u are so sympathetic to them .....why ????




The question was to establish the Truth & peace , to stop the unrest , do justice. A fight between evil & good.

I m not creating any unrest in the earth ...so why should one come to my res ? :offended:
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Muslim Woman
08-06-2007, 09:38 AM
Salaam/peace;

Originally Posted by mnbvcxz
what about those that dont want to be muslims
there is no compulsion in Islam ...so , no one should be forced to become Islam.




[mad]and dont want to pay tribute, will they be killed[/mad]


i guess , they will be given options ....pay tax , leave the place or fight ....choice is yours .



ok time to go , InshaAllah see u later


Verses all need ..specially for the life hereafter


God invites [man] unto the abode of peace, and guides him that wills onto a straight way.

-Quran (10:25)
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Amadeus85
08-06-2007, 09:49 AM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Well.... in our case (Malaysia), Islam was spread by traders... it's the Christians (Portuguese) that spread their religion by swords.

It was the victories of Arab armies that brought Islam into the Middle East and North Africa, the heart of the Muslim world. Turkish armies brought islam to Balkans.
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Muslim Woman
08-06-2007, 09:50 AM
:sl:




related links :

War in Islam: A Solution to Problems?


http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/...AskAboutIslamE

Useful Links:
Declaration of War … Against Non-Muslims?
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Addressing Misconceptions About the Hadith of Fighting Non-Muslims
The Spread of Islam
How Did Islam Spread?
The Concept of Da`wah and the Spread of Islam
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Muslim Woman
08-06-2007, 09:54 AM
Salaam/peace;


Originally Posted by Aaron85
It was the victories of Arab armies that brought Islam into the Middle East and North Africa, the heart of the Muslim world. Turkish armies brought islam to Balkans.

what about Indonesia ??? Who invaded there ?


Can u explain how & why Islam is spreading now in the west & elsewhere ? Can u tell me why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world ? :)
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Amadeus85
08-06-2007, 10:01 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Salaam/peace;





what about Indonesia ??? Who invaded there ?


Can u explain how & why Islam is spreading now in the west & elsewhere ? Can u tell me why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world ? :)
I dont say that islam was spread everywhere by armies. I didnt say that. I just said that in North Africa, Middle East, Balkans, India, Pakistan islam was brought by armies. In Indonesia and other south eastern countries islam was spread by missionaries and traders. In West nowadays islam is spreading peacefully, simply because of immigrants mostly, and some people converting to this faith.
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Amadeus85
08-06-2007, 10:03 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Can u tell me why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world ? :)
Because muslims from many reasons have so many kids. :)
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beespreeteam
08-06-2007, 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by mnbvcxz
ok, let me ask you this. if someone comes to your door and says, either you join my gang, pay me protection money, or die. do you think that is fair?

listen i know what the west r doing today is bad in invading countries if they dont play by their economic rules.
but... my arguement is with a rule such as become muslim, pay tribute money or die, how is islam any better?

dont just blame the west, we know what is happening is bad, but give me a alternative which is better.

i know how islam treats people who want to know about islam
what about those that dont, what about those that dont want to be muslims and dont want to pay tribute, will they be killed?
1) you don't have to 'die', you can leave - just like you have to follow laws in any country
2) chances are it's less than what muslims MUST pay
3) read some books on this topic :D
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Quiet Observer
08-06-2007, 10:33 AM
Hmm. Interesting.

What if there is nowhere else to go?
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beespreeteam
08-06-2007, 11:56 AM
Originally Posted by Quiet Observer
Hmm. Interesting.

What if there is nowhere else to go?
Then you pay the tax. If you can't afford it, then you don't have to pay it anyway - the tax is contextualised.
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mnbvcxz
08-06-2007, 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by beespreeteam
1) you don't have to 'die', you can leave - just like you have to follow laws in any country
2) chances are it's less than what muslims MUST pay
3) read some books on this topic :D

what do you mean leave? leave your house? leave your home?

what if you dont want to be muslim,
you dont want to pay tribute,
you dont want to fight

you just want to live your life in peace along side muslims. and you dont want to know about anything to do with islam and u dont want muslims preaching to your children.

what will happen to you?
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NoName55
08-06-2007, 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by mnbvcxz
first of all, im a muslim so dont think im here just to anagonise.
i have been thinking about the idea of islamic domination in the world.

first, is it true, that islam says, become muslim, pay taxes or die?

why did the early muslims invade persia?

if we hate the kufar for misusing their power and forcing people to play by their economic book or being invaded. then how is the islamic conpect any better, if non-muslims have to pay tax or tribute?

imagine if there was a muslim world power, would they not do things just like how the west are doing today, 'either give us what we want or die' mentality?


thank you
have you tried tax evasion/avoidance in non-Muslim countries like UK and USA? ask Asil Nadir, a Turkish Cypriot, what Britain did to him?

in Uk at one time some of us had to pay almost 80%+ of income in taxes

first of all, im a muslim so dont think im here just to anagonise.
Yeah Right! if you say so!

rest of post is not worth bothering with! try going to a school where they teach history.
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Muslim Woman
08-07-2007, 12:46 AM
Salaam/peace;

Originally Posted by Aaron85
Because muslims from many reasons have so many kids. :)
Lol , I asked why Islam is the fastest growing religion…..:D




to know about that , u may visit these links . Despite the hostile media propaganda , people are embracing Islam. Even anti-Muslim media admitted that .




Fast-growing Islam winning converts in Western world



http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam


Islam the Fastest Growing Religion


Islam 'will be dominant UK religion'


fastest growing faith in Australia



Where the Moors Held Sway, Allah Is Praised Again - NY Times

Islam Luring More Latinos - Washington Post



Islam to become 2nd largest faith practised in US - Times Of India



Islam is fastest-growing religion in U.S - The Sacramento Bee



http://www.islamawareness.net/Fastest
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Muslim Woman
08-07-2007, 01:10 AM
:sl:

War Ethics in Islam



Whom to Fight:

Fighting should be directed only against fighting troops, and not to non- fighting personnel, and this is in compliance with the Qur’anic verse that reads:

“ Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors.”

(Al-Baqarah: 190)



Islam never fought nations but fought only despotic authorities. Islamic war was one of liberation and not of compulsion.


The freedom of the liberated people to decide their religion has already been mentioned, and it was to ensure this freedom that Muslims fought.


It is interesting to mention that when Muslims fought the Romans in Egypt, the Egyptian Copts sided with and helped Muslims against the Romans who were Christians like them.



This was because Christian Egypt was suffering religious oppression by the Christian Romans to compel them to adopt their religious beliefs.



http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503545840
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Joe98
08-07-2007, 04:19 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Islam never fought nations but fought only despotic authorities. Islamic war was one of liberation and not of compulsion.
That depends on a person's point of view.

George Bush said: "This is a war against a despot. Its a war of liberation."

Others have a different point of view.

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Joe98
08-07-2007, 04:34 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Can u tell me why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world ?
Because religion is becoming less and less important.

The fastest growing belief is to ignore religious dogma!

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Muslim Woman
08-07-2007, 09:01 AM
Salaam/peace;

Originally Posted by Joe98

George Bush said: "This is a war against a despot. Its a war of liberation."

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his concept is excellent .....but to achieve the goal , daily hundreds innocent people are dieing in Iraq & Afghanistan.

To catch one criminal , Islam does not allow to murder millions including kids & women.

Do u know once a woman was killed in a war & Prophet was very upset about that sad incident. After that , Muslim Army avoided fighting at night , so that no innocent people may die.

It's unfortunate that so many people still support Bush imsad
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Muslim Woman
08-07-2007, 09:04 AM
Salaam/peace;

Originally Posted by Joe98
Because religion is becoming less and less important.

The fastest growing belief is to ignore religious dogma!

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can u explain , pl ? I did not get ur point.

If religion is becoming less imp , then why people are searching for the truth , why so many people are studying Islam , & becoming Muslims ?
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guyabano
08-07-2007, 09:33 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Can u tell me why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world ? :)
Because of birth rate in muslim countries. There is statistically no proof that more or less people convert to Islam or leave Islam than before
The birth rate is nearby the highest in muslim countries. I posted that already somewhere here on the forum, I just must find it back
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beespreeteam
08-07-2007, 09:35 AM
Originally Posted by mnbvcxz
what do you mean leave? leave your house? leave your home?

what if you dont want to be muslim,
you dont want to pay tribute,
you dont want to fight

you just want to live your life in peace along side muslims. and you dont want to know about anything to do with islam and u dont want muslims preaching to your children.

what will happen to you?
I dunno, what happens if you stop paying tax in any country? Anyway, there's countless books on history by non-muslims showing how Christians and Jews were very happy under Muslim rule. As for preaching - no one needs to preach in that case, example is the best preaching ;)
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Muslim Woman
08-07-2007, 09:51 AM
Salaam/peace;

Originally Posted by guyabano
Because of birth rate in muslim countries.
oh God

how long some people will remain blind ?

Pl. tell me why anti-Muslim western media are reporting like this ----


Thousands Of British Elite Embrace Islam: Study


Islam Attracting Many Survivors of Rwanda Genocide - Washington Post



Rwanda Turns to Islam After Genocide


Islam Luring More Latinos - Washington Post


Islam Offers Identity For Some Blacks - The Tampa Tribune


is it very hard for u to accept the fact that people are embracing Islam ....most are women in the west .....Alhamdulillah.


http://www.islamawareness.net/Fastest


It reminds of the Quranic verse


And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners. [3.54]


Allahu Akbar......only God is Great
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Amadeus85
08-07-2007, 11:09 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Salaam/peace;



Lol , I asked why Islam is the fastest growing religion…..:D




to know about that , u may visit these links . Despite the hostile media propaganda , people are embracing Islam. Even anti-Muslim media admitted that .



In Africa about 8 million muslims leave islam in every year. In Malaysia dozens of thousands Malays became christians, so as you see the conversions are run in the both ways. How many people convert to islam in Europe every year for example? 5 000, 10 000, 15 000? Let it be. Every year about 100 000 Germans became atheists. In Pakistan average woman has 4 children, in Egypt 3 children, in Bangladesh 4 or 5, in India 5 children, in Mali, Somalia,Niger about 8 children per women, in Afghanistan more than 4 children. This is why islam is growing.
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Malaikah
08-07-2007, 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by mnbvcxz
what if you dont want to be muslim,
you dont want to pay tribute,
you dont want to fight

you just want to live your life in peace along side muslims. and you dont want to know about anything to do with islam and u dont want muslims preaching to your children.

what will happen to you?
:sl:

Those aren't the only options. As far as I know, those are the options given to nations that are hostile against the Muslims, either they won't allow Muslims to live in their land peacefully, or to preach, or they are being oppressive. They don't need to be given those three options- they can strike up a peace treaty with the Muslims which means neither converting, tax or war.

It is really a lot more complicated than what you make it out to seem.

Some please correct me if I have made a mistake.
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Muslim Woman
08-07-2007, 03:58 PM
Salaam/peace;


Originally Posted by Aaron85
In Africa about 8 million muslims leave islam in every year...... This is why islam is growing.
people are becoming Muslims despite the hostile propaganda. In Time magazine ( long ago ) , a report was published that in last 50 years ...i forgot the exact number ...thousands & thousands books have been published against Islam.

Media is not anti-Christianity or anti-Judaism .

So , media don’t relate religion with crime when Jews or Christians do that. Media don’t put blame on Moses (p) or Jesus (p) or Torah or Bible.

But the same ' free' media trial Islam , Quran , Prophet Muhammed (p) for wrong doing of any Muslim.



Christian missionaries have flooded the Muslim countries. They give money offer , offer job , it’s easy to get UK , USA visa for Christians . So , it’s quite natural that many poor or ambitious Muslims can become Christian.



But in the west , why on earth Christian men , specially women are becoming Muslims ? Who are offering them money or job ?

They are becoming minority & minority faces many problems almost everywhere. They are losing their family members , friends .


Famous Revert Muslims :)

If 100 ordinary Muslims leave & one scholar like the following one come in to Islam , i will say Alhamdulillah

( praise be to God only ).






Marmaduke Pickthall---stunned the audience by declaring his Shahada openly in UK } ---he was a writer , Quran translator ,


Malcom X; black-rights activist and religious leader ,

Rev. David Benjamin Keldani --

author of "Muhammad(p) in the Bible , Murad Hoffman--German diplomat , writer ,

Yussuf Estes ( ex missionary) , Hamza Yusuf , Jeffery Lang , Yusuf Islam ( Cat Stevens ) , ( David ) Dawud Ali & others.

http://theislampath.com/smf/index.php?topic=441.0
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guyabano
08-07-2007, 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Salaam/peace;

oh God

how long some people will remain blind ?

Pl. tell me why anti-Muslim western media are reporting like this ----
Nobody is blind here. I just use my eyes to see what is going on. You can see on top of the list of birth rate mostly african and muslim countries.
I look around myself (in a western country) and I see no change in habits of people, neither an rush to Islam converting. I would say, it's more the opposite. people start to get fed up by these permanent terrorist attacks in the name of islam. Ok before I hijack the thread. I will stop here.

Birth rate

Add:

Christianity

* The U.S. Center for World Mission claimed a growth rate of 2.3% for the period 1970 to 1996, (slightly higher than the world population growth rate at the time). This increased the percentage of Christians from 33.7% to 33.9%.
* The US department of state estimates that Protestant Christianity may have grown 600% over the last decade in Vietnam.[5]
* In Asia, Christianity is spreading rapidly in China and South Korea.[6]. In the case of South Korea, Christianity has grown so fast that South Korea is now the second largest exporter of Christian missionaries, after the U.S.

[edit] Islam

Data for Islam reveal that the growing number of Muslims is due primarily to the higher than average birth-rates and consequent population growths of Muslim countries and communities.

Does this open your eyes ???

* In 2006, countries with a Muslim majority had an average population growth rate of 1.8% per year (when weighted by percentage Muslim and population size).[7] This compares with a world population growth rate of 1.12% per year.[8]
* According to the "Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life", Islam is already the fastest-growing religion in Europe. Driven by immigration and high birthrates, the number of Muslims on the continent has tripled in the last 30 years. Most demographers forecast a similar or even higher rate of growth in the coming decades.[9]
* According to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the World Christian Database as of 2007 estimated the six fastest growing religions of the world to be Islam (1.84%), the Bahá'í Faith (1.7%), Sikhism (1.62%), Jainism (1.57%), Hinduism (1.52%), and Christianity (1.32%), [10].
Comment: The point is, Islam will also fall back someday. Once, Europe will be full of muslims and accept their way of life and see, how costy live can be here, they will also drop this high birthrate and everything will be balanced again

Source
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czgibson
08-07-2007, 04:23 PM
Greetings,

For the statistically-minded:

FAQ from Adherents.com describing why it is difficult to measure the fastest growing religion

Peace

P. S. Where I live, in the UK, I don't personally know anyone who has converted to Islam. I don't know anyone who knows anyone who has converted to Islam. Yvonne Ridley and who else?
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Muslim Woman
08-07-2007, 11:26 PM
Salaam/peace;

Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,


. Where I live, in the UK, I don't personally know anyone who has converted to Islam. I don't know anyone who knows anyone who has converted to Islam. Yvonne Ridley and who else?

LOL , visit the Famous Revert Muslims links ..u will see :)


Never listened to Yusuf Islam ? our revert bro now sings for Islam ......

now , pl don't start debate if it's halal or haram. If u want to listen to his wonderful voice , let me know ...InshaAllah i will post links.
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Muslim Woman
08-07-2007, 11:29 PM
Salaam/peace;

Originally Posted by mnbvcxz


imagine if there was a muslim world power, would they not do things just like how the west are doing today


"The universal brotherhood of Islam, regardless of race, politics, color or country,
has been brought home to me most keenly many times in my life --



and this is another feature which drew me towards the Faith."





Col. Donald
S. Rockwell, U.S.A. Poet, Critic and Author.









"It (Islam) replaced monkishness by manliness. It gives hope to the slave, brotherhood to mankind, and
recognition of the fundamental facts of human nature."




--Canon Taylor, Paper read before the Church
Congress at Walverhamton, Oct. 7, 1887;





Quoted by Arnoud in THE PREACHING OF ISLAM, pp.
71-72.

http://www.islamawareness.net/Fastest
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manwithnogun
08-08-2007, 12:24 AM
If you are not Muslim and are asked to pay taxes wouldn't that be a benefit to the community? Isnt it being treated equally with others? It is to the benefit of the people that taxes are collected so it is wrong to look upon paying taxes as a punishment. Also shouldnt one be honoured to pay taxes knowing that even through difference in religion one can be treated just as equally? Tax is for the prosperity of the community not for one person. Its the same as many places...if one doesnt help the community he or she is a burden on the community. Unbelievers shouldnt look upon it as a punishment for not believing but as a way of showing equality among all. That believers and unbelievers may work together for a better society
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Muslim Woman
08-08-2007, 12:30 AM
Salaam/peace;


Originally Posted by manwithnogun
If you are not Muslim and are asked to pay taxes wouldn't that be a benefit to the community? Isnt it being treated equally with others?

In my country , non-Muslims pay only income tax but Muslims pay both the income tax & Zakat .

About Dhimmi , i read long ago that once Muslim Army needed to leave a place . So, they returned back the money to the citizens as they won't be able to protect them anymore.

Dhimmi ( the protected one ) are supposed to get protection from Muslims
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Al-Zaara
08-08-2007, 09:22 AM
Originally Posted by guyabano
Might be, that some people convert to muslims, for sure. Nobody deny that. here you can also see, that many people leave Islam. it has always been like that for centuries and it always keep balanced.
It's good you mention balance, at least that gives a kinda fair perspective of this all. Instead of going "it's allll down-hill.." or "it's all up-hill...", one should accept that there's a bit of everything these days.

I read the 'statistics' you provided us with. While reading I was just making "oho, quite a lot" and infact I was accepting the numbers, because I do know and believe many leave Islam, but then I came to this part...

In West, Islam is growing mainly by immigration, high birth rate of muslims. Yes, some gullible people are converting to Islam out of great ignorance. But, that is very very small fraction, almost neglible. Good people who think freely can not maintain peace of heart and mind in Islam. They leave Islam immediately. That's why in US, more than 75% of new converts leave Islam in few years.
I couldn't help but sigh. It's obviously (the link/site/info) anti-Islamic perspective, and not "it shows the other side", but in the sense of "bad bad bad bad, nothing good anywhere, all lies, bad bad bad". So the balance I thought was given, was just another illusion. It could be that the numbers are correct (? Allah knows best) but now when I got the impression, or should I say I see the dislike towards Islam shown in the article, when I know better what Islam is or about Muslims, I won't be able to accept those numbers fully.
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Woodrow
08-09-2007, 12:30 PM
Yes, we are watching this thread. One reason there is more than one mod for the section is because we are capable of error. We do try to be certain that all decisions are agreed upon by all mods and Admins before any actions are taken.

Differences of opinion are part of life and every member has a right to express their own opinion, provided it is made known it is their opinion and not any teaching. We do insist that any statement alleged to be a teaching be backed up with a valid source.

The biggest issue and the one that causes the most concern are personal attacks. each member is free to speak and should be free of fear of being insulted or demeaned simply because they express their opinion.

We can disagree with each others opinions, but disagreement and personal attacks and insults are 2 seperate issues.

Now let us return to topic, keep the thread on topic and avoid the temptation of personally attacking any member.
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NoName55
08-09-2007, 12:33 PM
when are you going to make him reply to Sr. Al-Zara's post where she exposes his lies?

edit:

disregard ^^ and forgive me for not thinking before posting

A wise friend just reminded me that:

No reply is often telling a story (to the wise)!
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Muezzin
08-09-2007, 02:11 PM
Take a chill pill, dudes. I'll take a look at all this stuff and delete and/or warn as appropriate. Mods are only human, and aren't on the computer 24/7, which is the reason for certain delays or discrepancies.

Off-topic stuff is bad and gets deleted, as I'm sure you're all aware what with my constant whining about it. On the other hand, hounding other members is also bad, and gets deleted.

It would be very nice if we can get back to discussing things without fighting, while I and other mods look at these posts and take the appropriate action.
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