Iran urges US pull-out from Iraq

[guyabano]

Iran's vice-president has said efforts to improve security in Iraq depend on the withdrawal of US-led forces and an end to US interference in the country.

Parviz Davoodi said Iran wanted a secure and stable Iraq, and was doing what it could to achieve this.
He was speaking after a second day of talks in Tehran between senior Iranian officials and Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki.
US commanders have repeatedly accused Iran of training and arming sectarian militias in Iraq, which Tehran denies.
The BBC's Pam O'Toole in Tehran says the two countries have forged increasingly close ties and Mr Maliki received a warm welcome there.

Further co-operation

On Wednesday evening, Mr Maliki met Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Iranian media said that after the meeting Mr Maliki expressed appreciation for Iran's positive and constructive stance on Iraq, including providing security and fighting against what he described as terrorism.
Several Iranian officials criticised the US position in Iraq.
"Establishment of peace and tranquility in Iraq depends on withdrawal of occupiers and their avoidance from interfering in Iraq, and also on the authority of the government of Mr Maliki," Mr Davoodi said after talks with the prime minister.
"We regard Iraq's security as our own security and that of the region," he added.
Iraqi officials have said Mr Maliki will be seeking further co-operation from Iran in helping to quell the violence in his country.


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[Keltoi]

Yes, I'm sure Iran would love nothing more than to have those pesky Americans and Brits out of Iraq.

[Joe98]

I agree. The UK and the US should pull out.

The Iraqis will automatically stop fighting.

The convoys carrying reconstruction materials will no longer be attacked.

The Iraqis can form their own government. They have had 4 years of practise.

Nothing can go wrong!
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[Chechnya]

Yes, I'm sure Iran would love nothing more than to have those pesky Americans and Brits out of Iraq

most people want that, not just iranians

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[Keltoi]

most people want that, not just iranians

I was referring to Iran's political reasoning for wanting that to occur, not public opinion polls.

[Darkseid]

I was referring to Iran's political reasoning for wanting that to occur, not public opinion polls.

If the United States pulls out, which it will in 2009 if not sooner with the impeachment of President Bush and Vice-President Cheney, Iran will invoke a regional war with the loyal states of the Sunni Faith (Palestine, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait, and Egypt). Why? Iran wants to take control of Kuwait and the holy land of the muslims which is Mecca and Medina? Why? Kuwait is a valuable source of economic gain, which is why Saddam in a previous account try to take that region. And as for Mecca and Medina, it is a reason to persuade religious superiority of the shiites over the sunnis.

But you see, Iran isn't alone in this fight. Iran is funding al-queda, which makes no sense other than as a possible theocratic ally of the Islamic agenda of Islamifying the world. Al-Queda will take control through the taliban over Afghanistan and eventually Pakistan in addition. This will result in an inevitable larger war involving India and possible India's enemy of China.

Russia will also be involved as an ally of Iran. But this is just one part of this great and ever so growwing larger war.

Turkey will also be involved tackling the Northern Frontier of Iraq to take down the Kurdish "terrorists" and as a result is confronted with European powers that seek to protect Kurdistan, mainly Armenia and Greece from the start, but it will later include the entire membership of the European Union as well as other European states that may seek to join forces on either side in interest of their gain and affiliation. Such as Croatia joining sides with the Albanians, who will sides with the Turks, in fighting Serbia that might as well side with the Eurarabian Powers (A mix representation of the Arab and European world which will join sides in fighting the Rus-Irani-Turki-Chinese-queda alliance.

I am guessing that Syria will side with Turkey in taking out the Kurdish forces and might as well in being a socialistic state run much in a similar manner as the militaristic Turks.

But that is not all. Israel if in the right mind will probably side with the Arabs. Hey they have released Palestinian prisoners and have done much to side with Fatah to repair their self-made tarnished image in the Arabic world. Also, they fear Iran's psychotic nature which is another reason to side with the Arabs. LOL! Lebanon of course will join in favor of the Arabs even though its main muslim population is shiite, but it will seek to ignore that in its efforts to stay clear of another possible invasion from Israel if it shouldn't side with the Eurabian forces.

This is my whole prediction and reality to the result of U.S. forces leaving Iraq. The problem is this...

If the United States doesn't leave Iraq, it will soon take part into a civil war, which can become as disasterous if not more.

Therefore, the inevitable struggle of man's existence will in fact become a reality and there is nothing we can do about it other than alter the details by a slight degree of where it begans and how it ends. Nevertheless, over sixty percent of the people here alone are going to die from this war regardless of how it starts.

[Chechnya]

^ darkseid, you old optimist :D

your glum predictions lead me to believe you are deeply depressed - get yourself checked out :-\

[Yanal]

Asalam alakum yes i agree iran will want iraq peace in that country but have you ever thought what will happen to iran if iraq's war with the USA doesn't stop the muslims like kids lil ones might get affected on the news that the british are fighting and sometimes media people give fake news and they find a chance to disgrace islam so they might say like become a non muslim and we will stop this war with iraq liike that so i hope the Iraq war does STOP AT ONCE what do the USA want anyway they have like alot of things alread wealth,power etc.

[Joe98]

what do the USA want anyway ....

They want peace in Iraq.

They want peace in Afghanistan.

They want to secure themselves so there be no more attacks like Madrid, New York and London.

When these are achieved they will leave.

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[Keltoi]

They want peace in Iraq.

They want peace in Afghanistan.

They want to secure themselves so there be no more attacks like Madrid, New York and London.

When these are achieved they will leave.

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Well, those are nice motives in principle, but I think the primary motive revolves around creating a battlefield against an ideology. Instead of attempting terrorism around the world, the "jihadists" can go to Iraq to die. On the opposite side of that coin is the hope that a democratic Iraq will change some of the social conditions that exist in the region which seem to set the groundwork for radicalization. All that sounds good in theory, in reality it is simply alot of people dying with no end in sight.

[Darkseid]

^ darkseid, you old optimist :D

your glum predictions lead me to believe you are deeply depressed - get yourself checked out :-\

I am not depressed, lol. But thank you for your concern. I think it was predicatable of what your reaction was going to be as such a possible outcome has yet hit the mainstream. And I know for a fact from experience and common sense that EVERYTHING is assumed to be either wrong or pure crazy if it doesn't belong as a part of the mainstream. But do know this, regardless of your faith and what you believe, my words are not my own fabrication.

[The_Prince]

If the United States pulls out, which it will in 2009 if not sooner with the impeachment of President Bush and Vice-President Cheney, Iran will invoke a regional war with the loyal states of the Sunni Faith (Palestine, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait, and Egypt). Why? Iran wants to take control of Kuwait and the holy land of the muslims which is Mecca and Medina? Why? Kuwait is a valuable source of economic gain, which is why Saddam in a previous account try to take that region. And as for Mecca and Medina, it is a reason to persuade religious superiority of the shiites over the sunnis.

But you see, Iran isn't alone in this fight. Iran is funding al-queda, which makes no sense other than as a possible theocratic ally of the Islamic agenda of Islamifying the world. Al-Queda will take control through the taliban over Afghanistan and eventually Pakistan in addition. This will result in an inevitable larger war involving India and possible India's enemy of China.

Russia will also be involved as an ally of Iran. But this is just one part of this great and ever so growwing larger war.

Turkey will also be involved tackling the Northern Frontier of Iraq to take down the Kurdish "terrorists" and as a result is confronted with European powers that seek to protect Kurdistan, mainly Armenia and Greece from the start, but it will later include the entire membership of the European Union as well as other European states that may seek to join forces on either side in interest of their gain and affiliation. Such as Croatia joining sides with the Albanians, who will sides with the Turks, in fighting Serbia that might as well side with the Eurarabian Powers (A mix representation of the Arab and European world which will join sides in fighting the Rus-Irani-Turki-Chinese-queda alliance.

I am guessing that Syria will side with Turkey in taking out the Kurdish forces and might as well in being a socialistic state run much in a similar manner as the militaristic Turks.

But that is not all. Israel if in the right mind will probably side with the Arabs. Hey they have released Palestinian prisoners and have done much to side with Fatah to repair their self-made tarnished image in the Arabic world. Also, they fear Iran's psychotic nature which is another reason to side with the Arabs. LOL! Lebanon of course will join in favor of the Arabs even though its main muslim population is shiite, but it will seek to ignore that in its efforts to stay clear of another possible invasion from Israel if it shouldn't side with the Eurabian forces.

This is my whole prediction and reality to the result of U.S. forces leaving Iraq. The problem is this...

If the United States doesn't leave Iraq, it will soon take part into a civil war, which can become as disasterous if not more.

Therefore, the inevitable struggle of man's existence will in fact become a reality and there is nothing we can do about it other than alter the details by a slight degree of where it begans and how it ends. Nevertheless, over sixty percent of the people here alone are going to die from this war regardless of how it starts.

ur prediction is feeble, u position ARABS as one team, vs iran, syria, and turkey, and shiite lebanease, last i checked syria, and shiite lebanease were arabs. perhaps the puppet goverments of gulf states and others will join america and israel, but not the people, the people will never join an american alliance to fight iran with israel as an ally! ppl are under a mis-conception that arabs will fight iran because their shiite, this is western propaganda, this is hype and divide and conquer tactics being created by israel and the usa to pit the muslim world against each other, to create this war u seek, arabs vs iran and some shiites, which will never happen. because they have done several polls among arabs about whom they greatly liked and admired, and the top 3 happen to always be nasrallah, ahmedinjad, and meshaal, wow 2 out of the 3 happen to be shiite! and these polls were conducted in mainly sunni arab countries.

there is a small sunni-shiite problem now in iraq which isnt even a general shiite sunni problem, u go ask ur average iraqi in iraq and outside iraq he will tell u iraq is for iraqi, sunni, shiite, christian, kurd or whatever, we are united. the fighting in iraq is being conducted by a few groups with some political backing, its not being done by the masses, something the media never point out, u ever wonder why the media dont point this out? because they want to make it seem that there is a major sunni-shiite problem which they want to escalate to use against iran and hence make it a general sunni-shiite problem and an all out war. yet sunnis and shiites are not stupid, they know exactly whats going on, as i said go ask ur average iraqi and arab u will see for urself/. i have lost count on how many times they have shown iraqis IN IRAQ saying they wont let the israelis divide them, so u see these ppl already know the sinister plan of israel, and they wont get sucked into it, neither will sunnis.

right now the power players in the mid-east is not usa-israel, rather its iran-syria-hezbollah-hamas, and incase anyone failed to realize, thats a joint shiite-sunni coalition working togethor, and it just so happens the majority support this group, not the sell out govermental goons. hence it will not be ARABS vs IRAN, it will be ARAB SUNNIS+SHIITES AND IRAN VS ARAB SELL OUT GOVERMENT TRAITORS JOINED WITH ISRAEL AND USA TO CARRY OUT THE JOINT ZIONIST-NEOCON AGENDA FOR ALL OUT CONTROL OF THE MID-EAST.

:) and russia and turkey will join the ASSI alliance (Arab sunni shiite iranian alliance) india and china would also join this alliance as well.

[Cognescenti]

... what do the USA want anyway they have like alot of things alread wealth,power etc.

How about the freedom to get on an airplane without having to take your shoes off or stand in a 2 hr. line so your grandma can have a body search?

How about the freedom to report on a news story without having your head sawn off?

How about the expectation that when you are bussing tables in a big building some 6th century neaderthal will not fly a 200 ton airliner into the buidling you work in at 500 mph?

How about PEACE you ********!

[metalted]

Israel should side with iran... if it does iran will lose all credibility. Israel should just be talking about how much it loves al qaida and hamas and the arabs will put down thier suicide vests and guns and walk in circles all confused.

There is no zionist conspiracy, if there is anything its a CIA conspiracy... Not for anything real except to stomp out al qaida, taliban, and keep an eye on the ****e. All terrorists who believe in war and killing each other.... Al qaida recently actually declared that iran must withdrawl from iraq in 2 month or face attacks within its country.

This declaration was made 1 month ago. Arabs, muslims are divided. they all agree they hate usa and israel, but they will fight on who gets to be the one to lead the fight.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=176408

al-Qaeda-linked group threatens Iran
Monday Jul 9 07:36 AEST

The leader of an al-Qaeda-linked group in Iraq has vowed to attack Iranians unless Iran cuts off its support for the Iraqi government within two months.

"We give the ... Persians in general, and leaders of Iran in particular, two months to withdraw their support and presence in Iraq," Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, leader of the self-styled Islamic State in Iraq, said in the 50-minute audiotape posted on Islamist website which has often carried al-Qaeda statements.

In the first such threat by his group, Baghdadi said that unless Iran meets his demands, the group will wage a "brutal war" against Iranians.

"We announce it today, our hands will not stay far from you," he said. He did not say whether the group would mount attacks inside Iran.

Baghdadi said his group's decision is the result of Iran's support for its fellow Shi'ite Muslims in Iraq, and accused Tehran of being behind the burning of Sunni Muslim mosques and killings of Sunni leaders.

"We have prepared four years for this war, and all that remains is to give the orders," he said.

The Sunni militant group has previously claimed responsibility for killing Iraqi police officers and suicide attacks on Iraqi and US military posts.

In May, Iraq's Interior Ministry said Baghdadi had been killed, but the group denied his death in a web posting.

Baghdadi said the ultimatum covers financial organisations and banks in Iraq that deal with Iran, without elaborating.

He warned Sunni businessmen against doing business with Iran and urged Arab states to denounce the Iraqi government.

"We give a precious chance to all countries that host the rejectionist Persians to issue a statement of condemnation denouncing the crimes committed by the rejectionist government (of Iraq)," he said. Sunni Islamists often refer to Shi'ites as "rejectionists".

"They will be safe from our attacks if they do so within two months."

[Darkseid]

ur prediction is feeble

Blame Allah, not me.

u position ARABS as one team

Not quite if you count the union of Syria and Iran.

vs iran, syria, and turkey, and shiite lebanease, last i checked syria, and shiite lebanease were arabs.

Lebanese count them selves as a seperate ethnic entity like the Egyptians. Hardy har har har, you know nothing as prediction about the Lebanese. I could even provide you with a link to a Lebanese forum where all the four thousand lebanese members regardless of being christian or muslim will tell you that they are not Arabs, they are Lebanese and have placed stronger respect to their Phonecian ancestors than they do to any other cultural inheritance they pertain to (greek, persian, french, and that even includes Arab).

perhaps the puppet goverments of gulf states and others will join america and israel

Iran is potentially the greatest threat to Israel. No other state's head of state has so strongly proclaimed in the annihilation of Israel as that of Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

So again you are mistaken. By the way, America won't be joining in this war until the near end and not particularly on any side. Sort of like a cop (well decent cops) not choosing sides when addressing a situation of violence between two groups of people. United States won't get involved because of its own problems. If you don't know, the United States is about to fall apart literally due its poor infrastructure. but that's not all.

but not the people, the people will never join an american alliance to fight iran with israel as an ally!

They won't be the ones joining in the alliance. You think of this as Iran being involved from the start in a war with American and Israel. WRONG!

This will start off as a conflict of interest in the Gulf between Saudis and Iranians. Israel will join to help out the Saudis to protect it self from being annihilated if the Iranians do beat the Saudis.

ppl are under a mis-conception that arabs will fight iran because their shiite, this is western propaganda

Ever been to Iraq lately pal? I have. There is literally some brutal chaos coming apart in that region and have you heard yet lately the Sunni block in the Iraqi parliament has just withdraw. You know that can't be good.


And by the way why would Democrats make propaganda favoring what the republicans say, when such will completely ruin their chances of winning an election into office.

Last time I checked pal there was something called common sense. Stop getting so fixed into paranoid theories of yours. They are not based on any factual information.

this is hype and divide and conquer tactics being created by israel and the usa

And how much as the United Stated helped Israel as of recently? Nada, zip, nothing. The United States has shown no care at all on Israel and in fact the liberal media of the United States is in favor of Palestinian independence from Israel. Now why would they also show Iraq in disarray between its religious factions? Why?

to pit the muslim world against each other

It is already against it self. The strife between sunnis and shiites has been an ongoing one of over a thousand years.

Americans (Republicans) think there is no such strife and that muslims can get along. THey are also the ones making these puppet states you have "mentioned." Although they aren't so puppet like when the United States is in so much dept and loaning so much financial support from the Chinese and Saudis. So really, who is the puppet state?

to create this war u seek

I bet the next thing you are going to say is from a chapter made by that British looney that American, British, and Israelis are nothing more than lizard folk from some strange planet that came here to enslave humanity. is that right?

arabs vs iran and some shiites, which will never happen.

Then you are obviously a bs fanatic.

because they have done several polls among arabs

Show me and I'll believe.

about whom they greatly liked and admired, and the top 3 happen to always be nasrallah, ahmedinjad, and meshaal, wow 2 out of the 3 happen to be shiite!

Did they actually did these polls or were they your own fabrications?

and these polls were conducted in mainly sunni arab countries.

Right...

there is a small sunni-shiite problem now in iraq which isnt even a general shiite sunni problem, u go ask ur average iraqi in iraq and outside iraq he will tell u iraq is for iraqi, sunni, shiite, christian, kurd or whatever, we are united.

I have spoken to Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis Iraq, as I have said I have been to Iraq, and they have said that everything is a mess and they hope they don't die. They also will bicker a lot about how much they hate the other factions in Iraq. Quite a lot of bickering might I add.

the fighting in iraq is being conducted by a few groups with some political backing, its not being done by the masses, something the media never point out, u ever wonder why the media dont point this out?

I can certainly see that English is not your first language. But actually the conservative media does point out that there is little if any fighting in Iraq. Need I remind you these are the same people in power. Bush = Republican.

because they want to make it seem that there is a major sunni-shiite problem which they want to escalate to use against iran and hence make it a general sunni-shiite problem and an all out war.

Actually the liberal media points out that it is more like a sunni-sunni problem and even at times a shiite-shiite problem. Conservatives continuously point out a major victory for the American in securing Iraq, because they believe there is no such problem in Iraq much like you have said.

yet sunnis and shiites are not stupid, they know exactly whats going on, as i said go ask ur average iraqi and arab u will see for urself/. i have lost count on how many times they have shown iraqis IN IRAQ saying they wont let the israelis divide them, so u see these ppl already know the sinister plan of israel, and they wont get sucked into it, neither will sunnis.

I can see that you are anti-semetic and have no idea as to what you are talking about. Thank you for your "criticism"

right now the power players in the mid-east is not usa-israel, rather its iran-syria-hezbollah-hamas

I know that. Why else would Iran, Syria, Heznollah, and Gaza (Hamas) be placed as one single entity of power. GOD!

, and incase anyone failed to realize, thats a joint shiite-sunni coalition working togethor

Not really...

and it just so happens the majority support this group, not the sell out govermental goons. hence it will not be ARABS vs IRAN, it will be ARAB SUNNIS+SHIITES AND IRAN VS ARAB SELL OUT GOVERMENT TRAITORS JOINED WITH ISRAEL AND USA TO CARRY OUT THE JOINT ZIONIST-NEOCON AGENDA FOR ALL OUT CONTROL OF THE MID-EAST.

You are obviously wrong. Americans are more interested in leaving the Middle-East alone and concentrate on bio-fuels. If you don't believe me, then at sometime in your life you should take a trip to Iowa and see the huge project we have in creating biofuels. And with biofuels in place, why would we want to be in the Oil fields of the Middle-East?

BTW Russia was the last country that came to Israel's defense during the six day war. Why on earth do you think they'll side with the Arabs, when they won't even allow the Chechens their indepedence. You are obviously our of your mind, bigot.

:) and russia and turkey will join the ASSI alliance (Arab sunni shiite iranian alliance) india and china would also join this alliance as well. ANd I like penises too.

I consider you check yourself out of a clinic ASAP. Since when does China care about Islam when most of its people are godless athiests and on good terms with the United States government? China is a bigger ally of the United States than Israel.

Israel should side with iran... if it does iran will lose all credibility. Israel should just be talking about how much it loves al qaida and hamas and the arabs will put down thier suicide vests and guns and walk in circles all confused.

There is no zionist conspiracy, if there is anything its a CIA conspiracy... Not for anything real except to stomp out al qaida, taliban, and keep an eye on the ****e. All terrorists who believe in war and killing each other.... Al qaida recently actually declared that iran must withdrawl from iraq in 2 month or face attacks within its country.

This declaration was made 1 month ago. Arabs, muslims are divided. they all agree they hate usa and israel, but they will fight on who gets to be the one to lead the fight.

And usa doesn't care about Israel. If they cared about Israel then why did they not participate in the Israeli-Lebanese war? Hmm? because we just don't care about Israel nowadays.
Btw, why would Israel side it self with a country that wants to annihilate it (Iran).

[ISLAMASWEENEY]

IRAN could help train the Iraqi army and Police and it would take less time because they speak the same language.

[snakelegs]

they do not speak the same language. the iranians are not arabs and their language is persian, which is an indo-european language.

[Woodrow]

IRAN could help train the Iraqi army and Police and it would take less time because they speak the same language.

Two distinct languages. Most Iranians speak Farsi (Persian) it is not related to the Arabic spoken by most people in Iraq. The Iranians are much closer related to Europeans ethnically and are the actual Aryan race that most Europeans came from.


ADDENDUM:

WHEN "PERSIA" BECAME "IRAN"Manor house

In 1935 the Iranian government requested those countries which it had diplomatic relations with, to call Persia "Iran," which is the name of the country in Persian.

The suggestion for the change is said to have come from the Iranian ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of the Nazis. At the time Germany was in the grip of racial fever and cultivated good relations with nations of "Aryan" blood.

It is said that some German friends of the ambassador persuaded him that, as with the advent of Reza Shah, Persia had turned a new leaf in its history and had freed itself from the pernicious influences of Britain and Russia, whose interventions in Persian affairs had practically crippled the country.

This would not only signal a new beginning and bring home to the world the new era in Iranian history, but would also depict the Aryan race of its population (as "Iran" is a cognate of "Aryan" and derived from it).

The Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent out a circular to all foreign embassies in Tehran, requesting that the country thenceforth be called "Iran." Henceforth, the name "Iran" began to appear in official correspondence and news items.

Source: http://www.todaytranslations.com/ind...tory--67516291

[ISLAMASWEENEY]

Yes But It Is Easier To Maybe Understand Than English?

[Woodrow]

Yes But It Is Easier To Maybe Understand Than English?

Here is a link to language relationships.

http://www.friesian.com/trees.htm

You will notice that the Iranian language is more closely related to the European languages and English than it is to Arabic.

However, Farsi does use a modified Arabic alphabet rather than the Roman alphabet, but the letters have different pronunciations and names than they have in arabic, plus there are additional letters in Farsi.