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Cognescenti
08-14-2007, 03:41 PM
It seems Islamic unity is subordinated to national interest. Is anyone surprised? I did not know this business about the Taleban killing Iranian diplomats.


Tehran seems to play neighbors and foes against one another.
By Kim Murphy, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 14, 2007


TEHRAN -- They do the jobs that few Iranians would consider. For $11 a day, the Afghans mend shoes, haul bricks, dig drainage channels, push giant wheelbarrows of scavenged debris through treacherous ribbons of cars.

It has been this way since the various wars in Afghanistan sent an estimated 2 million refugees flooding into neighboring Iran. Since April, however, more than 160,000 Afghans have been rounded up and sent home.

Iran plans to expel up to 1 million in what it asserts is an effort to cut down on illegal immigrants and open up new jobs for Iranians. But Afghanistan warns that the exodus could jeopardize its fragile new stability, and for the U.S. and others, the move by Tehran offers an unsettling hint of Iranian mischief-making in the region.

One of the givens of the Middle East's dense diplomacy is Shiite Iran's enduring hostility toward the Taliban, the radical Sunni movement whose fall from power in 2001 was welcomed nowhere as much as in Tehran.

Yet the growing international pressure aimed at Iran's nuclear program appears to have prompted a more complex new strategy for Iran in Afghanistan, interviews with Iranian analysts here suggest. Iran still supports the government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, they say, but the Islamic Republic is also not averse to asserting itself in a conflict that Washington once thought was over.

"It is better for Iran if America is entangled in Afghanistan with the Taliban," said Abulfazl Amooei, a political analyst for the Hamshahri diplomatic magazine, which closely reflects the views of Iran's Islamic hard-liners. "Because as soon as the U.S. has no problem in Afghanistan, it can turn to the next area in the Middle East. It can come to Iran and say, 'I am in your neighborhood, and I will attack you if you do not suspend your nuclear enrichment activities.' "

Iran appears to be mounting a high-profile anti-U.S. publicity campaign to the west in Iraq and neighboring Sunni nations. At the same time, it is working below the radar to keep its options open to the east, in Afghanistan.

For years, Iran's power in the Middle East was held in check through a combination of U.S. sanctions and a long war in the 1980s with Saddam Hussein's Iraq, whose regime received aid from the United States and Sunni Arab nations that feared the growing influence of the Islamic Republic and the potential expansion of its hard-line theological revolution.

But the U.S.-led military ouster of Hussein in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan during the Bush administration opened a new chapter for Tehran. Now Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has forged cordial relationships with Iraq's new Shiite-dominated government and with Karzai. Last week, the Afghan president rebuffed President Bush's attempts to characterize Iran as a destabilizing force in the region, contending in an earlier interview with CNN that Iran had been "a helper" on such issues as fighting terrorism and narcotics.

Just as worrying for Sunni Arab governments in the Middle East, Ahmadinejad's tough talk against the U.S. and Israel has won Iran unexpected and growing popularity in the Sunni Muslim world. Tehran now sees itself poised to become the dominant power broker in the Mideast and deeper into Asia.

The Bush administration has charged that Iran is supplying weapons to anti-American fighters in Iraq. And recently, U.S. and British officials disclosed that they had intercepted Iranian-made weapons in Afghanistan, bound for the Taliban. The Iranian government has vehemently denied any connection, and the Afghan government has also expressed doubts. But if such shipments are eventually traced to the Iranian government, this would represent a worrying new development for the U.S. and others.

For its part, Iran is furious at America's recent $20-billion weapons package initialed with Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf nations.

Analysts say that Tehran, with its latest maneuvering, appears to be declaring: Backing us into a corner could result in unforeseen misfortunes for the U.S. -- in Iraq, in Lebanon, in the Palestinian territories and also in Afghanistan.

"All Muslim nations, you who are buying weapons from Washington, those who have been deceived by Washington, listen to the words of God," Ayatollah Emami Kashani said at Friday prayers in Tehran early this month. "Don't accept leadership from outside. Don't expose your private parts. . . . The Zionists and the Americans want to make you weak, humiliated and miserable."

Iran's strategy in Afghanistan appears aimed at ensuring that Karzai's government remains in power while Tehran loses no sleep if his opponents keep the U.S. and Britain bogged down in combat there, interviews with analysts and government officials in Tehran suggest.

"You cannot say that Iran is arming the Taliban, but at the same time we should admit that Iran, bearing in mind the circumstances in the region, is not satisfied if the Taliban is totally banished from Afghanistan. And the status quo in Afghanistan is the best for our foreign policy," said Amooei, the political analyst.

Although Iran in the long term is hoping to achieve stability on its eastern border, he said, in the short term it does not want the U.S. to emerge as the peacemaker. "Iran says it is better for Afghanistan and its neighbor states to solve the problem," he said. "Why should Afghanistan be a victory for the U.S.?"

Mohammad Kazem Anbarlouee, former head of a conservative Islamic faction in the parliament and editor of Resalat, a hard-line newspaper, described Iran's strategy in Afghanistan as a delicate balancing act between two enemies: the Taliban on the one hand, and the U.S. and Britain on the other.

"Theologically, we are antagonistic toward the Taliban. They have a very harsh and violent version of Islam. Even on our border at the time the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, they attacked our soldiers," Anbarlouee said.

But "we have always faced multiple enemies," he said. "So we attach to them different levels of importance. We classify some enemies as archenemies. And the other, a lesser enemy. And as you see, we are now facing two kinds of enemies in Afghanistan. . . . And we know how to deal with two opponents at the same time. So we play this game, confronting the two opponents at the same time.

"You see, the world of politics is not the world of romantic scenes or smiles. It's not like Indian films, where there's a flow of tears followed by a happy ending. It's a world of interests."

Yet Anbarlouee and others said it was not possible that Tehran would go so far as to supply weapons to the Taliban, with which Iran nearly went to war in 1999 after its militia killed eight Iranian diplomats.

The U.S. has not directly pointed a finger at the Iranian government.

"We absolutely are certain that there are Iranian-origin weapons flowing into Afghanistan to the Taliban," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said in June. "We do not know the extent of any Iranian government involvement at this point, but given the nature of the regime and also some of its past behaviors elsewhere -- whether in the Palestinian areas or in Iraq -- it certainly raises very serious questions, and we are quite concerned about it."

Hamidreza Babaei, a deputy speaker of Iran's parliament, flatly denied any weapons supplies to the Taliban and said his government's primary concern was to promote stability in Afghanistan, because unrest there spills over into Iran.

"I don't know why the Americans are confused and suffering from these sorts of hallucinations," Babaei said. "Everybody who is an enemy, they claim that we're helping that enemy.

"We regard the American administration as our enemy. We also regard the Taliban as our enemy. So there is no reason, no motivation, to support the Taliban. We believe that both of them are menaces to the Afghanistan people."


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ahsan28
08-21-2007, 06:16 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
Iran's strategy in Afghanistan appears aimed at ensuring that Karzai's government remains in power while Tehran loses no sleep if his opponents keep the U.S. and Britain bogged down in combat there, interviews with analysts and government officials in Tehran suggest.

"You cannot say that Iran is arming the Taliban, but at the same time we should admit that Iran, bearing in mind the circumstances in the region, is not satisfied if the Taliban is totally banished from Afghanistan. And the status quo in Afghanistan is the best for our foreign policy," said Amooei, the political analyst.

So true and that is their significant success. Having a fragile and inept Afghan govt, yet Iran friendly, with Talibans giving constant blows to the foreign invaders is in Iran's best interest. Appears to be win-win situation for them. The US is unable to strike Iran despite constant pricking by the zionists. The blunders made by the US in Afghanistan and Iraq are auto contributing towards Iran's short and long term objectives.
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wilberhum
08-21-2007, 07:23 PM
"Theologically, we are antagonistic toward the Taliban. They have a very harsh and violent version of Islam. Even on our border at the time the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, they attacked our soldiers," Anbarlouee said.
I thought this was quite interesting. I would have never guessed I would agree with Iran about anything.
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ahsan28
08-21-2007, 07:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
I thought this was quite interesting. I would have never guessed I would agree with Iran about anything.

The mutual relations of Iran and Afghanistan might have been strained during Taliban's regime, but now they share common goal of throwing the foreign invaders out of the region. When the interests are at stake, all sort of differences are bound to take back seat, which we all witnessed during Israel-Lebanon war, when Hezbollah received attention and recognition from all Arab states.
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wilberhum
08-21-2007, 07:48 PM
So true. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That’s a mistake the US frequently makes.

The problem remains, when the common enemy is gone, you have a new stronger enemy. :?
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ahsan28
08-21-2007, 07:54 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
The problem remains, when the common enemy is gone, you have a new stronger enemy. :?
May be but the enemity would not be to that extend, which may lead to the war, we are witnessing at the moment.
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Scruffy
08-21-2007, 10:40 PM
Who would’ve guessed that they’d sacrifice their principles for national interest? That’s never happened before – anywhere.

I like that Abulfazl Amooei guy he’s succinct, I bet he’s dapper. Spells out the Iranian position in a sensible way: national interests are at stake, religion’s the rhetorical tool, and agitation’s the practical one. Destabilise everyone else and we benefit.

Too true: my enemy’s enemy thing but when the common enemy goes…? The Yanks aren’t leaving anytime soon, it’s not about oil, or pipelines, its strategic position. Think Germany & Japan after WW2.
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Cognescenti
08-22-2007, 03:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scruffy
Who would’ve guessed that they’d sacrifice their principles for national interest? That’s never happened before – anywhere.

I like that Abulfazl Amooei guy he’s succinct, I bet he’s dapper. Spells out the Iranian position in a sensible way: national interests are at stake, religion’s the rhetorical tool, and agitation’s the practical one. Destabilise everyone else and we benefit.

Too true: my enemy’s enemy thing but when the common enemy goes…? The Yanks aren’t leaving anytime soon, it’s not about oil, or pipelines, its strategic position. Think Germany & Japan after WW2.
Scruffy;

My comments were meant to be ironic. Islamic unity is most definitely not one of Iran's national goals. After all, they are Shia. "Hegemony" might be a better word. :)
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Scruffy
08-24-2007, 11:23 AM
Hi Cog, yes I agreed, it was just my lame attempt at sarcasm:cry:

I reckon a big part of it is I'madinnerjacket playing a domestic agenda to a local audience. They seem to have gained some fans amougst the regional Sunnis aswell.

If you've not read it you might be interested in Mark Bowden's Guests of the Ayatolla, puts current events into great context.
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Cognescenti
08-24-2007, 04:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scruffy
Hi Cog, yes I agreed, it was just my lame attempt at sarcasm:cry:

I reckon a big part of it is I'madinnerjacket playing a domestic agenda to a local audience. They seem to have gained some fans amougst the regional Sunnis aswell.

If you've not read it you might be interested in Mark Bowden's Guests of the Ayatolla, puts current events into great context.
Yes, the UAE, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait are getting along so splendidly with Iran they are buying sparkling new weapons for "joint military manouevres" :thumbs_up

I will check out your reading list. Great title.
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