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asadxyz
08-31-2007, 07:06 AM
Peace:
Worth reading
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ies-per-capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ies-per-capita
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ranma1/2
08-31-2007, 07:30 AM
And??????

You have problem with spain?
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Isambard
08-31-2007, 07:35 AM
I thought this was more interesting
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ons-per-capita

Or maybe more relevant, this
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ting-to-police

Anyway, how is this an eye opener for atheists?
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guyabano
08-31-2007, 07:39 AM
Eye opener for muslims:

(Taken from the same webpage than the OP's)

Statistics terrorism Iraq

Now if you like to open the eyes to non-muslims, be sure at least, your back is covered and you will not become victim of your own weapons
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Karina
08-31-2007, 07:56 AM
DEFINITION: Total recorded robberies. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population.

SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
(From the same source - if you read further)

Not sure why stats that are from a two year period ending almost 8 years ago would be relevent now?

Also - not sure why this is an "Eye Opener for Atheists"?? Please could you explain? Sorry it's early and I have not quite woken up yet!

:confused:
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Karina
08-31-2007, 08:34 AM
Woah. I've just read some of your previous posts. You've really got a problem with Atheists haven't you?

:mmokay:
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Science101
08-31-2007, 08:39 AM
I'm not an Atheist, but have reason to believe that website has bad stats.

The US and UK may like to believe that they are leading the war on terror globally, but the country that has had to face the worst of terrorist attacks on its own soil, barring war-torn Iraq, is India.

In fact, India has since 2004 lost more lives to terrorist incidents than all of North America, South America, Central America, Europe and Eurasia put together. All of these vast swathes of the globe lost a total of 3,280 lives in terrorist incidents between January 2004 and March this year. India alone lost 3,674 lives over the same period of three years and three months.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/2312796.cms
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asadxyz
08-31-2007, 10:10 AM
Along with these Crimes , Porn is very prevalent in Atheist societies?
Do atheist trade Prostituition houses ?because they say that Porn is not immoral.
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Karina
08-31-2007, 10:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by asadxyz
Along with these Crimes , Porn is very prevalent in Atheist societies?
Do atheist trade Prostituition houses ?because they say that Porn is not immoral.
OK. So do you have the same general opinion about me, an Agnostic? Just wondering. By your logic I must also fall into your "immoral" category surley?

Also, you seem to be quite pre-occupied with porn! (judging by your previous posts in this forum)

I think that you should be cautious not to label all atheists as pro-porn just because of one person's opinion is a previous thread.

Anyway - back to your original post - please explain? I'm not sure what you are trying to show in your links....
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ranma1/2
08-31-2007, 10:34 AM
so what is your point and evidence?
And which of these is an atheist society?
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Abdul Fattah
08-31-2007, 10:46 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
Eye opener for muslims:

(Taken from the same webpage than the OP's)

Statistics terrorism Iraq

Now if you like to open the eyes to non-muslims, be sure at least, your back is covered and you will not become victim of your own weapons
Yeah du-uh, have you not seen the news lately? Very cheap to pin this on Islam, especially for someone who's been around here for a while and should know better.

Iraq was already an islamic country before US invaded, and back then the terrorism was way down compared to now. So apearently the number is not high because it's a Muslim country (like you suggested) But rather because it's a country at war (first war with us then civil war)!
And??????

You have problem with spain?
scroll down to the bottom of the list
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guyabano
08-31-2007, 11:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah
Yeah du-uh, have you not seen the news lately? Very cheap to pin this on Islam, especially for someone who's been around here for a while and should know better.

Iraq was already an islamic country before US invaded, and back then the terrorism was way down compared to now. So apearently the number is not high because it's a Muslim country (like you suggested) But rather because it's a country at war (first war with us then civil war)!

scroll down to the bottom of the list


Oh, cheap ? Well, but the words of the OP 'Eye-Opener for Atheists' , this one you didn't comment ?

Besides, i didn't make these stats. According to your logic-thinking, every stats about middle east countries are fakes, but about west are true.. ppphhewww !?

It's well known that hardly statistics exist from middle east countries, like raping, murdering, divorce, homosexuality, because all these data are swiped under the carpet coz nobody like to speak about.

But I'm pretty sure, you will find something to refute this.

@asadxyz

Stop your annoying and boring words about the generalizing of non-muslims being automatically porn obsessed.
It was often more the fact that specially persons often speaking about it are the biggest perverts.
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strider
08-31-2007, 12:13 PM
Just because it isn't reported and included in statistics, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It= anything you want 'it' to be e.g. robbery.
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Trumble
08-31-2007, 01:22 PM
Let's see;

Taking the first set of stats the first three countries are all predominantly Catholic, not 'atheist'. The nearest thing, probably, there currently is to an 'atheist' country is China, with a quarter or so of the worlds population. Could somebody point out China on the list for me - surely it should be an absolute hotbed of crime? The stats have far more to do with wealth differentials, assorted cultural factors (you would be amazed at the effect mobile phone distribution has, I suspect), the nature of the justice system and the nature of crime recording procedures.

In short, its not an "eye opener" for anything, at least in the context of religion. You could plausibly argue (although not on the basis of this evidence) that those who follow a particular moral code for religious reasons are less likely to commit crime, but that has no relevance to 'atheism'; no relation as to whether anyone should believe in God or not. The predominantly Buddhist countries aren't on the list, either.
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asadxyz
08-31-2007, 06:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Karina
OK.
I think that you should be cautious not to label all atheists as pro-porn just because of one person's opinion is a previous thread.

....
That is true.But it is only atheists who say "Porn is not immoral" .Why shouldn't I generalize it?
Can any religious person say like that??
The answer is "NO" .Because no religion can teach such "non sense" things.Only an highly irrational mind can talk like this.
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Karina
08-31-2007, 06:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by asadxyz
That is true.But it is only atheists who say "Porn is not immoral" .Why shouldn't I generalize it?
Can any religious person say like that??
The answer is "NO" .Because no religion can teach such "non sense" things.Only an highly irrational mind can talk like this.
Why the pre-occupation with porn? And why the pre-occupation with Atheists in general....? You seem to be generally hacked off with them - Agnostics too?

Anyways, in my opinion.... *religion is not the solution to the world's problems*. Nuff said.

(Ooops, how predictable am I??! Don't bother replying to that statement - I know you all disagree! Just threw it in for good measure)

:okay:
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guyabano
08-31-2007, 07:52 PM
I have a serious question for you:

Have you ever been in the west? I mean, see average families, deal with 'normal' people, christians, agnostics, atheists, etc.... or do you only get your sources out of fanatic magazines? Why this hatred against the whole west?

I mean, I live among average persons, have a house, 2 kids, a wife. She's christian, my kids are raised christians, and hey, we are NOT PORN addicted. In fact, nobody cares for that. Neither my neighbours, who have already past 60, they also dunnot watch porn, etc.
We all have a moral code, live a normal life, far away from harm. We obey to the laws, our governement made us, and we are not guilty of any crime.

So why you are always so annoying with this porn stuff? Me, personally, it does not affect but hey, you make yourself look ridiculous.
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Md Mashud
08-31-2007, 08:34 PM
Brothers and sisters, do not make your goal to insult or degrade people of other nations -this is not how you show the beuty of Islam. I know your intentions, but remember a great dawah is your characteristics, attitudes and behaviour to all people around you, even on the forum! Really telling Christians, Jews or Atheists they are dirty, crimewhoring, the cause of all evil etc will not help you or them!
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asadxyz
08-31-2007, 08:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Karina
Anyways, in my opinion.... *religion is not the solution to the world's problems*. Nuff said.

:okay:
You may say but in fact "atheists " are the root cause of all problems in the world.
No religion -----------> No moral code -----------> anarchy-----------> crimes --------------> immorality
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asadxyz
08-31-2007, 08:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Md Mashud
Brothers and sisters, do not make your goal to insult or degrade people of other nations -this is not how you show the beuty of Islam. I know your intentions, but remember a great dawah is your characteristics, attitudes and behaviour to all people around you, even on the forum! Really telling Christians, Jews or Atheists they are dirty, crimewhoring, the cause of all evil etc will not help you or them!
Christians and Jews believe in God.They do not have irrational thought like:
"Design is possible without a designer"
evidence =Nil
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snakelegs
08-31-2007, 08:53 PM
i am an agnostic. i believe in god, the creator. i just don't follow a religion.
believe it or not, not all atheists and agnostics are pigs, drunkenly staggering their way through life, going from one party to the next.

repeating Md Mashud's sane post:

Brothers and sisters, do not make your goal to insult or degrade people of other nations -this is not how you show the beuty of Islam. I know your intentions, but remember a great dawah is your characteristics, attitudes and behaviour to all people around you, even on the forum! Really telling Christians, Jews or Atheists they are dirty, crimewhoring, the cause of all evil etc will not help you or them!
the best dawah is to represent and live the beauty of your religion, not to attack others.
it makes no sense whatsoever to alienate people. it just shows your ignorance.
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InToTheRain
08-31-2007, 09:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
the best dawah is to represent and live the beauty of your religion, not to attack others.
it makes no sense whatsoever to alienate people. it just shows your ignorance.
format_quote Originally Posted by Md Mashud
Brothers and sisters, do not make your goal to insult or degrade people of other nations -this is not how you show the beuty of Islam. I know your intentions, but remember a great dawah is your characteristics, attitudes and behaviour to all people around you, even on the forum! Really telling Christians, Jews or Atheists they are dirty, crimewhoring, the cause of all evil etc will not help you or them!
:thumbs_up

"Call unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly manner-for, behold, thy Sustainer knows best as to who strays from His path, and best knows He as to who are the right-guided." [Al-Nahl, 16:125]

"Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell." [Al-Nisa, 4:140]

“Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and you there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend.”(Qur’an, 41:34)
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Karina
08-31-2007, 09:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by asadxyz
You may say but in fact "atheists " are the root cause of all problems in the world.
No religion -----------> No moral code -----------> anarchy-----------> crimes --------------> immorality
That's a very big and brave statement to make.

I bid you good luck with that one. :giggling:
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guyabano
08-31-2007, 09:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by asadxyz
Christians and Jews believe in God.They do not have irrational thought like:
"Design is possible without a designer"
evidence =Nil
the only one who has no moral value is you, as you insult in public people who have different beliefs than you
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snakelegs
08-31-2007, 09:30 PM
this thread is really absurd.
i don't intend to participate in it any more.
i will just say that when you place a judgement on a whole group of people - that is called bigotry.
personally, i don't really care if you need to feel good by reassuring yourself that all areligious people are pigs.
so go right ahead. :D
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wilberhum
08-31-2007, 09:30 PM
Ya know, it is just like trying to tell Hitler all Jews arn't bad.

When hate grabs such a hold on you that you can no longer be reasoned with, will, you can no longer be reasoned with.

Hopefully he will seak help.

In the mean time, responses only egg him on.
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Suomipoika
08-31-2007, 09:59 PM
This thread seems to challenge the usual hateful and ignorant generalisations about pornmongering atheists.

Top on the list for most sex searches in the internet? Muslim countries.

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...lim-ummah.html
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InToTheRain
08-31-2007, 10:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Top on the list for most sex searches in the internet? Muslim countries.

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...lim-ummah.html
Well there are several explanations to this:

1) We do not know what the search was about apart from the fact that it was related to sex, maybe Married couples were trying to find better ways to enhance their relationship.

2) Tourists from western nations went their and upon seeing lack of Sexual activity and cleavage decided to Spam the sites.

3) The Imam of the Local Mosques around the world were warning the Muslims against bad sites and told them not to type "S E X" on the keyboard as that would lead to bad sites. The local people of these developing nations deprived of sex education went to the internet to see what it was hence the increase in search.

4) The creator of Porn movies realised the best market would be were they are deprived the most. Therefore they went over to the Muslim nations and overnight used a virus which would re-direct the search engine once everywhere to their website or search for Porno without the users consent.

5) They just are all poor in English and mispelled words like Corn.

6) They mistyped the word "promo"

7) The F5 (refresh button) was broken hence it kept refreshing.

I hope I have this whole issue abundantly clear and further misunderstandings do not happen. Can we all stop the low blows please :D
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Md Mashud
08-31-2007, 10:54 PM
2) Tourists from western nations went their and upon seeing lack of Sexual activity and cleavage decided to Spam the sites.
Fell off chair laughing!
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Keltoi
08-31-2007, 11:13 PM
Crime statistics have little to do with being a religious or athiest country. The higher the population the more crime will take place, obviously. A larger population isn't hindered by the "shame culture" that exists in smaller communities. By shame culture, I mean that any immoral or indecent act will follow one around the rest of their lives. In larger cities and populations, people don't know their neighbor, and that sense of shame isn't as profound as it would be otherwise. Just an element I considered.
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Md Mashud
08-31-2007, 11:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
Crime statistics have little to do with being a religious or athiest country. The higher the population the more crime will take place, obviously. A larger population isn't hindered by the "shame culture" that exists in smaller communities. By shame culture, I mean that any immoral or indecent act will follow one around the rest of their lives. In larger cities and populations, people don't know their neighbor, and that sense of shame isn't as profound as it would be otherwise. Just an element I considered.
Good point, that is a view point to be considered.
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asadxyz
09-01-2007, 08:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
Crime statistics have little to do with being a religious or athiest country. The higher the population the more crime will take place, obviously. A larger population isn't hindered by the "shame culture" that exists in smaller communities. By shame culture, I mean that any immoral or indecent act will follow one around the rest of their lives. In larger cities and populations, people don't know their neighbor, and that sense of shame isn't as profound as it would be otherwise. Just an element I considered.
The statistics are as per total population but "Per One thousand population"
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guyabano
09-01-2007, 09:14 AM
and best is, when my wife want to chat with her friends from her native country, she always get bugged by men for very specific requests. And these men are mostly...muslims, Turkish, Saudis.... . So nobody should ever tell me, just because you are a muslim, you don't have sexual desires. It is just not allowed that's why nobody speak about. So they try it over Internet. I'm pretty sure, Allah has no Computer with Internet connection, so he cannot see what they do :D
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asadxyz
09-01-2007, 08:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
and best is, when my wife want to chat with her friends from her native country, she always get bugged by men for very specific requests. And these men are mostly...muslims, Turkish, Saudis.... . So nobody should ever tell me, just because you are a muslim, you don't have sexual desires. It is just not allowed that's why nobody speak about. So they try it over Internet. I'm pretty sure, Allah has no Computer with Internet connection, so he cannot see what they do :D
Those must be "Atheists" posing themselve "muslims"
Secondly ,You should stop your wife not to talk such non-sense things to such non-sense persons.So simple
But still curious why Porn industry is flourishing in the atheist societies ?
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Md Mashud
09-01-2007, 08:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by asadxyz
Those must be "Atheists" posing themselve "muslims"
Secondly ,You should stop your wife not to talk such non-sense things to such non-sense persons.So simple
But still curious why Porn industry is flourishing in the atheist societies ?
Erm :O, I think thats going too far now. Yes not all Muslims are perfect, some even less practicing. Real practicing muslims are unlikely to enter in this behaviour, as with most practicing religious people from other religions.

Again, regardless of what you believe, you will have desires - as for how much you can control, would come down to how much you practice and believe your religion.. We shouldn't think that someone who endevours in such activities must be kaafir... True fear can alone prevent desires :), whether that fear is becoming known to people that your a pervert or the afterlife, or just getting a plain slap on the face :O!...
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Isambard
09-01-2007, 09:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by asadxyz
The statistics are as per total population but "Per One thousand population"
I see you missed my earlier reply. Dont worry, skimming over contrary happens when you make frivolous claims.

If you had checked it out, it shows the reason why "Islamic Countries" have such a low crime rate is because the crime reported is almost non-existant while crimes in western countries do get reported. What does that tell you?
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asadxyz
09-01-2007, 10:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Isambard
I see you missed my earlier reply. Dont worry, skimming over contrary happens when you make frivolous claims.

If you had checked it out, it shows the reason why "Islamic Countries" have such a low crime rate is because the crime reported is almost non-existant while crimes in western countries do get reported. What does that tell you?
Very nice ;What a rational Brain !!
Probably this is the reason atheist think that
"Design can occur without a designer"
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
09-01-2007, 10:43 PM
I feel like barfing at this thread...maybe at the starter of the thread, but also at those bickering back. How are you any less now? Do u guys realize how rediculous you look criticizing the poster and then doing the same exact thing? Wake up call...

Peace
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Woodrow
09-02-2007, 01:24 AM
This has gone far enough. Arguments, name calling and personal attacks are not debating. Debate is fine the rest brings an end to threads.

:threadclo
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