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NoName55
09-15-2007, 11:15 PM
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Qasida Burda is one of their top ten anasheed
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Soulja Girl
09-16-2007, 06:58 AM
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Ooh are you sure? They NEVER put any Nasheeds wiv Music...But well...:hmm: ...If you say so!

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09-16-2007, 10:33 AM
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Ooh are you sure? They NEVER put any Nasheeds wiv Music...But well...:hmm: ...If you say so!

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that may be a misunderstanding (caused by my improper reporting of thread) but they do have other material, far worse than music including but not limited to Qasida Burdah. (LI encourages worship of Allah The God alone, I think worship of His messengers, items of their clothing or any other relics is a big NO No here)
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Soulja Girl
09-16-2007, 12:41 PM
"Worship of His Messengers?" :ooh:
What do you mean by that??? :confused:
Do you get people who worship Allah's messengers? :ooh:
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NoName55
09-16-2007, 12:44 PM
what do you think Qasida Burdah to be??? a harmless little old song or an extreme exageration in praise of Last RasulAllah P.B.U.H.



http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=poem+of+the+cloak
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Soulja Girl
09-16-2007, 12:52 PM
:hmm: I don't know...But are you saying we can't listen to Qasidah Burdah? And if thats the case, can we even pray it?

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NoName55
09-16-2007, 12:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Crazy_Lady
:hmm: I don't know...But are you saying we can't listen to Qasidah Burdah? And if thats the case, can we even pray it?

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We must never go near it!

it is beloved of Sufis and those who do not know the Kitaab-at-Tawhid

"I was compelled to translate The Burda after a trip to Mauritania in which I realized it was everywhere, on everyone's tongue, always present, always ready to ignite the instant, alter the ambience, enhance the state, bring the presence of the beloved into the room, the tent or wherever we happened to be. Sitting once with my teacher Abd Allah Ould Ahmadna, I heard for the first time a line from Imam Busiri, "If Allah places a people in the service of the serene, then they too become serene." As those words flowed from the tongue of my serene teacher, I realized in that moment the reason for my existence; my soul was branded with the power of those words forever. That is Imam al-Busiri.

I have heard the Burda many times in many places. In Morocco, I was transported to another world, a perfect world free of sin, free of vice, free of temptation and upon leaving the gathering, I felt as if was once again, we were exiled from the Garden. I have seen Yemenis filled with the same joyful spirit singing in their own unique way like innocent children freed from fear while praising the one who on the day all have fear shows none. Once in Madina, two Sudanese sang a section in a way that brought the poem back to its home, Africa. While it is sung in Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Turkey, Kosovo, Chechnya, Bosnia, even in China, it is and always will be from Africa. It is like Africa; as deep as the oceans that surround her, as powerful as her Nile, as vast as her Sahara and containing as many lights as a starry desert night in Niger." - Hamza Yusuf
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NoName55
09-16-2007, 01:07 PM
http://www.islamicboard.com/720216-post3.html
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Soulja Girl
09-16-2007, 01:10 PM
Wow...Brother, this is something new to me...I have to at least listen to Qasidah Burdah once a day :( Here, everyone listens to it so I must tell em what I learnt! Also, once a year we kinda have gatherings in the Masajid where people recite Anasheed and all, and someone alwayz has to pray the Qasidah Burdah? Oh well...

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NoName55
09-16-2007, 01:16 PM
Jazak Illah khairan wa salaam alaikum :)
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Abdur Rahmaan
09-20-2007, 03:03 AM
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You have to know and find out what something means before you love it. Here is thread from al-Maghrib forum from Sheikh Yasir Qadhi on the Burda.

Salaam Alaikum

Yes, there is much in the poem that is praiseworhty and beautiful. In fact, certain sections will even move you to tears.

However, that doesn't change the fact that there is blatant shirk in all three categories of tahweed in that poem: shrik in ruboobiyyah, uloohiyyah and asma wa sifaat.
Therefore, the poem should not and cannot be read except to correct these exceses.
As for the alleged story of how the poem was written, the Prophet (saw) would not appear to anyone and praise him had he written soemthing of shirk. It is only the mystics who base their religion on dreams and fairy-tales; as for the true Muslm, he has the Quran and authentic Sunnah as his only true guides.

BTW, just so no one things I haven't read the poem or am passing judgments w/o any knoweldge:
An example of shirk in ruboobiyyah is the stanza:
"And of your generosity is the (creation) of the Wolrd and its co-wife (meaning the Hereafter)..." Here it is as if the World and the Hereafter was created from the generosity of the Prophet (SAW).

An example of Shirk in Asma wa sifaat:
"And part of your knowledge is the knowlege of the Tablet and the Pen..." So PART of the knowledge of the Prophet (SAW) is the knoewledge that is encompassed in the LAwh al-Mahufdh - the tablet that has EVERYTHING written on it!! and that is only 'part' of his knowledge!! Compare this mystic poem with the authentic hadeeth in Bukhari where a young girl said "And we have a prophet who knows what will happen tommorrow.' to which the Prophet (SAW) said, "Leave this (bit), and say the rest of it."

Example of shirk in uloohiyyah:
" And who else there, besides you, who I can call out, at times of distress and problems?" Umm... how about our Creator, the only one the Prophet (SAW) HIMSELF would turn to at times of distress??

The poem is a prime example of over-praising the Prophet (SAW) and putting him in a place where even he himself would not like. We will discuss it more in Aqeedah 101 insha Allah.

Yasir



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ilm.seeker
09-20-2007, 05:33 AM
Here is the excellent refutaion of this poetyr by Ahmad Musa Jibril

  • Exaggeration of the Prophet (Sallalahi Alahi Wasallam )
    • Qasidah Al-Burdah: The Cloak of Love or Ignorance? - Ahmad Musa Jibril [PDF]
      In the past few years, there is a particular piece of Arabic poetry that has reached the Muslims in the west and has been translated into English. This poem is called Qasidah Al-Burdah by Muhammad Al-Busairi. It is also known as the most famous if not the most famous poem that supposedly praises the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam).The poem has been widespread in Arabic for nearly eight centuries and many scholars have replied to it in Arabic.
I am pasting portion of it here for the benefit of the readers.

Analysis of the Poem
وكيف تدعو إلى الدنيا ضرورة من * * * لولاه لم تُخرج الدنيا من العدم
For had it not been for him this world would not have come out of non
existence. (Chapter 3/10)

1) This is an extreme exaggeration in the description of the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). We love the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) but this love has a limit we cannot go beyond or below. For example, because of our love of the Prophet we cannot say he is the son of Allah, as the Christians went into an extreme in loving their prophet. If we did this, we would be just like the Christians.

In this line Al-Busairi said the universe was not created except for the purpose of the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) .

Allah said “And I have not created human and jinn but to worship me.” (Althariyat:56)
And even the Prophet was created to worship as Allah said, “And worship your Lord until there comes unto you the certainty (i.e. death).” (AlHijer 99)
The Sufis may come back with a supposed hadith where it was said, "Had it not been for you the universe would not have been created." The problem with this
hadith is it is fabricated and cannot be given as proof.[i]

فاق النبيين في خَلق وفي خُلُق *** ولـم يـدانــوه في عــلـــم ولا كر
وكلهم من رسول الله ملتمس *** غرفاً من البحر أو رشفاً من الدي
He transcends the Ambiya, physically and in (noble) character.
And (the other Ambiya) cannot come near his in knowledge and noble nature
kindness.
They all obtained from Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam).
(Like a) handful (of water) from the ocean or (a few) sips from continuous rains. (Chapter 3/22)
2) Here Al-Busairi claims that all messengers benefited and received from the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). Meaning, the prior messengers received and benefited from the latter. No realistic mind can accept that, and more importantly, there is no proof for that claim.

This goes back to some major misguidance which is present in Sufi belief. Alhalaj said, “The Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) has brightness before the universe was created, and from it every (piece of) knowledge and every thing was derived, he even supplied the previous messengers.”

Ibn Araby Altaey said, “Every Prophet and messenger from Adam to the last messenger takes from the guidance of the Prophet Muhammad .”[ii]

دع ما ادعته النصارىفينبيهم * * * واحكم بما شئت مدحاً فيه واحتكم
Discard what the Christians claim about their Nabi
Then decide and say what you wish in praise of him (Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi
Wasallam). (Chapter 3/29-30)

3) Here he says as long as you refrain from claiming to our messenger that which Christians claimed to theirs then it is permissible for you to go as extreme as you want in your love for the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). So long as you do not claim calling the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) the son of Allah, one can state anything, be as extreme as they wish to be about him to show one’s love for him. To be more specific then, one can prostrate to the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) so long as one does not claim about him what the Christians do that he is to be worshipped.

The proof against this is the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) said, “Do not do to me as the Christians did to Issa, I am a messenger of Allah, therefore, say the servant of Allah and His messenger.”

Ibn Al Jawzy said the hadith means do not go into extreme in one’s love for the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). The context of the hadith was such that Mu’ath (radia allahu anh) asked the Prophet if he may prostrate to him, and the Prophet (sallah allah alieh wasalam) set a rule against going into extreme love for him.[iii]

لو ناسبت قدره آياته عِظماً * * * أحيا اسمه حين يُدعى دارس الرمم
If his miracles were proportionate (according) to his rank, in greatness,
Then his name would have, when called out brought decaying bones back to life (Chapter 3/35-36)

4) Those who explained this poem said that this line means that had the miracles been given to him by Allah reached the level of his honor, then among those miracles would be that Allah would reconstruct from bones and dust a human simply due to the blessing and sacredness of calling of his name.[iv]

In an indirect way this objects to the miracles Allah has chosen for his messenger.

Imam Mahmood Shukry Al Aloosy said in reply to this line, “This is extremism in praise of the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) , as how can one say the Qur’an does not suit the honor of the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam), or that it is lower than his honor. Also the name of Allah is mentioned yet as sacred as Allah’s name is, the bones and dust do not resurrect to His name.[v]

لا طيب يعدل ترباً ضم أعظمه * * * طوبى لمنتشق منه وملتثم
No perfume equals the dust (earth) which is touching his (Rasulullah Sallallahu
Alayhi Wasallam’s mubarak) body.
Glad tidings be to the person who smells it (the dust) and kisses it. (Chapter 3/61-62)

5) Al-Busairi made the dirt where the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) is buried better than the smell of best of musk. Then he said (Tuba) praise or (praise of jannah) for the one who inhales it or kisses it.

That is extremism, and no doubt, an innovation that leads to clear shirk.

Ibn Taimieh (Rahimahu allah) said, “ The imams agreed that the grave of the Prophet should not be touched or kissed, and that is to guard tawheed.”[vi]

أقسمتُ بالقمر المنشق إنّ له * * * من قلبه نسبةً مبرورة القسم
I take an oath (of truth) by the moon that was split, it bears.
A connection with his heart (which shows) the truth of my oath. (Chapter 5/7-8)

6) Here the author gives an oath by the moon. As we know, giving an oath by other than Allah is minor shirk. The Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) said, “Whomever gives an oath by other than Allah has committed Shirk or kufer.”[vii]

Ibn Abdel Albar said, “It is not permissible to give an oath by other than Allah in any manner or form, and it is united upon by scholars.”[viii]

ولا التمست غنى الدارين من يده * * * إلا استلمت الندى من خير مستلم
I did not ask for the wealth of the two worlds from his hand.
But I received a great gift the best hand that was ever kissed. (Chapter 5/19-20)

7) The author says he would like to achieve the richness of both worlds in this life and the hereafter from the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) .

However, Allah says:
“Whatever grant you have is from Allah.” (Nahl:53)
“See from Allah your rizk and worship him.” (AlAnkaboot: 17)
“And say who gives you rizk from the sky and earth.” (Younis:31)

Finally, as a warning to us with regards to this matter, Allah says, “Say: (O Muhammad to those polytheists, pagans, etc.) "Call upon those whom you assert (to be associate gods) besides Allah, they possess not even the weight of an atom (or a small ant), either in the heavens or on the earth, nor have they any share in either, nor there is for Him any supporter from among them.” (Saba: 22)

فإن لي ذمة منه بتسميتي * * * محمداً وهو أوفى الخلق بالذمم
If I had committed any sin my covenant is not (likely to be) violated.
With my Nabi Rasuluallah Sallallahu Alayhi Wassallam and nor is my rope
broken.
For verily I have a security from him due to my name.
(Being) Muhammad , while he is the most faithful of mankind in fulfilling his
promise. (Chapter 9/11-14)

8) Here, Al-Busairi claims that he has a special covenant and relationship with the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) based on the fact that his name is also Muhammad .

There is no bond between anyone and the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) simply because he shares the same name. There are many individuals whose name is Muhammad who are corrupt deviants.

The bond between anyone and the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) comes with the obedience to Allah and following the commands of the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). Sharing the same name has no relation to following the prophet’s (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) actions and commands.[ix]

لعل رحمة ربي حين يقسمها * * * تأتي على حسب العصيانفيالقسم
Perhaps the mercy of my Lord when distributed.
Would be distributed in proportion to the sins. (Chapter 10/9-10)


9) Here he says that it is possible that the mercy of Allah comes down based on the amount of sins. Meaning, the more one sins, the more mercy from Allah. This goes against what Allah says in the Qur’an.

Allah says, “And do not do mischief on the earth, after it has been set in order, and invoke Him with fear and hope; Surely, Allah's Mercy is (ever) near unto the good doers.” (AlAraf: 56)”

Allah says, “And ordain for us good in this world, and in the Hereafter. Certainly we have turned unto You. "He (Allah) said: (As to) My Punishment I afflict therewith whom I will and My Mercy embraces all things. That (Mercy) I shall ordain for those who are the Muttaqun (pious), and give Zakat; and those who believe in Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs and revelations, etc.)." (AlAraf:156)

يا أكرم الرسل ما لي من ألوذ به * * * سواك عند حلول الحادث العمم
Most generous of mankind, I have no one to take refuge in
Except you at occurrence of widespread calamity. (Chapter 10/1-2)

10) Al-Busairi says here that when the biggest of all hardships befalls him, he has no one to turn to but the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). This is the kind of shirk that may place one in an everlasting spot in hell

Allah says, "And invoke not besides Allah, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers). " (Younis:106)

Imam Sulieman bin Abdel Wahab said, “Pay attention to this line of shirk, he denied anyone to turn to in hardships but the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). And, refuge really belongs to Allah with no partner, as He is the One whom all humans turn to. He (AlBusairy) also calls the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) in that line (of poetry) in lowliness and time of hardship and need, and asked him that which should only be asked of Allah. And, that is shirk in uluhiyah.” [x]
Imam Abdelrahaman bin Hasan bin Abdelwahab said, “He honored the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) in that which saddens the prophet, and the Prophet forbade exaggerating in his honor that which is much less than what Al-Busairi has done here as anyone with any knowledge knows. This person limited humans to turn to another human rather than Allah. Allah denounced those who do “liyath” (the term the author used as turning to) in Surat al Jinn ayah 6 (And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief.) Meaning they added deviance, liyath and giyath. One of which is to ask for good. And, the other asking to turn away harm. Both are forms of worship that only belong to Allah.” [xi]
AlShawkany said, “Look at how he limited liyath (turning for good) to no other than the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) and he forgot about Allah, ina lillah wa ina ilieh rajioon.”[xii]

ما سامني الدهر ضيماً واستجرت به * * * إلا ونلت جواراً منه لم يُضَم
Whenever time caused me any distress and I took refuge in him.
I receive shelter from him which was not misused. (Chapter 5/17-18)

11) Here he is saying that every time he became worried, distressed or ill, he would call upon the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam), and then these problems would disappear.
In relaying the story of Ibrahim, Allah says the words of Ibrahim, "And when I am ill, it is He who cures me;” (Ash-Shu’ra:80)
Allah says, “And if Allah touches you with harm, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with good, then He is Able to do all things.” (AlAnam: 17)
The Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) told Ibn Abbas, “If you ask, ask Allah, and if you seek aid, seek it from Allah.”[xiii]

ولن يضيق رسول الله جاهك بي * * * إذا الكريم تحلى باسم منتقم
And O messenger of Allah, your exalted status will not diminish, because of me
(intercession on my behalf)
When most Bountiful (Allah Ta’ala) will manifest (Himself) by the name of the
punisher. (Chapter 10/3-4)

12) Suliem bin Abdallah bin Muhammad said, “In this line he is seeking from the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) exactly what the mushrikeen sought from their statues, jah, which is intercession to Allah, and that is shirk. Also, the intercession comes from Allah, therefore it should not be asked from other than Allah. Allah permits one to give intercession not the one giving intercession initially.”[xiv]

فإن من جودك الدنيا وضرتها * * * ومن علومك علم اللوح والقلم
For verily amongst your bounties is this world, and the hereafter.
And part of your knowledge is knowledge of the Preserved Tablet (Lowh), and
the Pen. (Chapter 10/5-6)

13) Here he is saying that this life and the life after is from the generosity of the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). Therefore, this life and the hereafter belong to the Prophet Muhammad (sallah allahu alieh wasalam). Yet Allah attributes both this life and the life after to him.

Allah says, “Truly! Ours it is (to give) guidance, And truly, unto Us (belong) the last (Hereafter) and the first (this world). Therefore I have warned you of a Fire blazing fiercely (Hell); None shall enter it save the most wretched, Who denies and turns away.” (AlLayl 12-16)

In the second line of poetry, Al-Busairi mentions (al-Lahw) which is with Allah alone, as well as (the kalam), which is the unforeseen knowledge, where Allah has written everything that will happen 50,000 years before the creation of the sky and earth. Al-Busairi attributes this knowledge to the Prophet (sallah allahu alieh wasalam) and claims that the Prophet knows what is in that book.

This is from deviance as Allah says,
“Say: "None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (unseen) except Allah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected." (AlNaml: 65)
“And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.” (AlAnam: 59)

[i] Silsilat aldafeeh 1/299; Alsanany fe Mawduateh P. 46

[ii] Mahabar Al rasool – Abdel Raoof Uthman 169-196

[iii] Fateh Albary 12/49

[iv] Ghaet Al Amany – Alaloosy 2/349

[v] See above and AlDur Alnaded – Ibn hamdan p. 136

[vi] Alrad Ala Alakhniay p, 41

[vii] Narrated by ahmad 4509, Tirmithy 1534

[viii] Altamheed 14/366-367

[ix] Taiseer al azeez Alhameed p.22; Aldurar Alsunieh 9/51

[x] Tayseer Al azeez alhameed 219-220

[xi] Aldorar alsunieh 9/89; and 9/49

[xii] Al dur alnadeed p, 26

[xiii] Narated by Tirmithy as hasan

[xiv] Aldurar alsunieh 9/52
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Soulja Girl
09-20-2007, 09:21 AM
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format_quote Originally Posted by Abdur Rahmaan
However, that doesn't change the fact that there is blatant shirk in all three categories of tahweed in that poem: shrik in ruboobiyyah, uloohiyyah and asma wa sifaat.
:ooh: Wow man, I am shocked and surprised! I never knew there was shirk in the Poem. Also, I am surprised that the Ulama over here have not said anything regarding it, I mean surely they'd know right? Anyway, so can we not even pray it for the love of the Prophet :arabic5:? :confused: :-\

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NoName55
09-20-2007, 09:55 AM
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:ooh: Wow man, I am shocked and surprised! I never knew there was shirk in the Poem. Also, I am surprised that the Ulama over here have not said anything regarding it, I mean surely they'd know right? Anyway, so can we not even pray it for the love of the Prophet :arabic5:? :confused: :-\

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because all who call themselves ulema of Islam are no such thing. a long dress, a beard and kufi or towel on the head makes not an alim but something else.

then there are leaders of all these sufi tariqahs, whose religion is quite something other than based on Tawhid. They are true ulema but not of Islam but a religion based on dreams illussions and mysticism dating back to Greek times.

These days if you need to consult a real Scholar of Islam, you'll need to become a prison visitor as most of them are behind lock and key
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Abdur Rahmaan
09-21-2007, 02:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Crazy_Lady
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:ooh: Wow man, I am shocked and surprised! I never knew there was shirk in the Poem. Also, I am surprised that the Ulama over here have not said anything regarding it, I mean surely they'd know right? Anyway, so can we not even pray it for the love of the Prophet :arabic5:? :confused: :-\

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Sis, Love for the Prophet (S) is not just in words and all emotions like the Christians. Our Love is practical, the muslims show their true love by obeying the Prophet (S). And we know that Sahaba loved the Prophet more than we do, but this did not take them to extreme. And if they did something the Prophet (S) always corrected them.
Like in authentic hadeeth in Bukhari where a young girl said in praising the Prophet "And we have a prophet who knows what will happen tommorrow.' to which the Prophet (SAW) said, "Leave this (bit), and say the rest of it."

When knowing that in this poem there is clear and blatant shirk, which is giving the rights of Allah to other than Allah (in this case the Prohet), how can we continue to read this poem. I would advice you to listen to this lecture by Yasir Qadhi: Love for the Prophet (S).
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NoName55
09-21-2007, 02:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abdur Rahmaan
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I would advice you to listen to this lecture by Yasir Qadhi: Love for the Prophet (S).
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http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Yasir+Qadhi

Yasir Qadhi Love For The Prophet 1/5



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