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Ummu Sufyaan
10-05-2007, 09:52 AM
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this is what i read in a book oncerning hamzatul-Qate':
Accepts all vowels, recognized by the pronounciation of the word: it is preceeded by waw of faa.
what does this mean. can you please give me an example to demonstrate this?
and does this rule only apply to the waw and faa or can it also be applied to other letters?

Also in the book it says concerning hamzatul-Qate,' it is
a Hamzah that is at the beginning of the word or in the middle.
dosn't it aslo come at the end of a word. im sure i have seen it. eg السماء
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Danah
10-05-2007, 11:25 AM
regarding this
a Hamzah that is at the beginning of the word or in the middle.
Hamzah al Qate comes in different places
ex:

at the begining like:
أحمد
أزرق

and at the middle:
رأى
مأوى

or it comes in different form at the middle (on the line) like:
سئم
سائل

and at the end:
السماء
بلاء

it could be on waw like:
رؤيا
سؤء

I hope this can helped, because I might not understand exactly what do you wanna know (:
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Ummu Sufyaan
10-15-2007, 01:28 AM
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jazakallahu khair.
does anyone have the answer to my forst qn.
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Imam
10-30-2007, 10:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11
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this is what i read in a book oncerning hamzatul-Qate':

what does this mean. can you please give me an example to demonstrate this?
and does this rule only apply to the waw and faa or can it also be applied to other letters?

Also in the book it says concerning hamzatul-Qate,' it is
dosn't it aslo come at the end of a word. im sure i have seen it. eg السماء
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the following:
(Accepts all vowels, recognized by the pronounciation of the word: it is preceeded by waw of faa)

means,in other words

If you want to differentiate between between hamzatul-Qate and hamzatul-alwasl

you could instert the letter WAW or Faa before the hamza (which you doubt if it is hamzatul wasl or hamzatul qate)
after the insertion of the WAW or the FAA ,if the Hamzah is pronounced then it is without doubt is hamzatul-Qate ,if not pronounced then it is hamzatul-alwasl ....

example:

( و ) أو ( ف ) + إذا = فإذا ( همزة قطع
(waw) or (faa) + Eza (means if) = Faeza (hamzatul qate)

the (e) in (faeza) is proved to be hamzatul kate because after putting the letter (faa) just before it ..it is pronounced clearly.

( و ) أو ( ف ) + اكتب = فاكتب ( همزة وصل )

(waw) or (faa) +oktob(means ,the imperative of the verb write)= faktob (hamzatul wasl)

first: where is the (hamzah) which we dunno whether it is Wasl or Qate?
answer:
it is in اكتب
it is the (o) in (oktob)
how we check its statue?
by putting the (faa) or (waw) before it.
what happened after putting it?

It is not pronounced and proved itself to be Hamzatul wasl

because If it is hamzatul qate ,it should be pronounced (faOktob)

bit it is pronounced now (fAKtob)...

that was the answer to your first question....

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Ummu Sufyaan
10-30-2007, 10:26 AM
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jazakallahu khair.
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Imam
10-30-2007, 10:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11
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jazakallahu khair.
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Jazana wa Iyaki

It is obvious that you reached a high level in Arabic, may I ask you ,If you study it in Academic way or just you have motives to learn and do it yourself?

May Allah bless you
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Ummu Sufyaan
10-30-2007, 10:36 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Imam
Jazana wa Iyaki

It is obvious that you reached a high level in Arabic, may I ask you ,If you study it in Academic way or just you have motives to learn and do it yourself?

May Allah bless you
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i assure you, it is completley the opposite, alhamduliah, im still beginner.
just you have motives to learn and do it yourself?
thats it really.
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Ummu Sufyaan
11-05-2007, 09:34 AM
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can someone please do me a favour? well because im just finished(almost) the rules of hamzatul-qate, i'd like some practise writing out some words that contain hamzatul-qate. so if anyone could post up a list of about 15 words it would be much appreciated, inshallah.
just start off with small words first, than when im ready to take on a new bunch, i'll let you know, and inshallah, that number can be increased.
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Imam
11-05-2007, 10:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11
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so if anyone could post up a list of about 15 words it would be much appreciated, inshallah.
.
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1- قال اللّه تعالى: { وَبالوَالِدَينِ إِحْسَانا }.

2- أول الخلفاء الراشدين أبو بكر الصديق رضي الله عنه.

3- إبراهيم حفظ القرآن كـله وأحمد حفظ نصفه.



1- قال تعالى : { إنا أعطيناك الكوثر }.

2- أخذ الصياد شبكته وأسرع إلى البحيرة.

3- أكرِمْ ضيفكَ، وأحْسِن إلى جَارِكَ.



1- أقولُ الخير أو أسكتُ.

2- أستغفر الله، وأستعين به

try those and more tell If you want..
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Ummu Sufyaan
11-07-2007, 04:37 AM
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jazakallahu khair.
i need some new words.
can i make a note and ask to post up words that contain hamzatul qate in the middle of the words and at the end, and on the yaa, waaw and alif.
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Imam
11-07-2007, 09:08 AM
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1- hamzatul Qate in the beginning of the word:


A-with nouns:

أحمد ، إبراهيم ، إسماعيل ، أيمن ، إسحق ، إفريقيا ، ألمانيا
أشرف/ أمجاد/ أحقاد/ إسلام/ أول


b-pronouns:

أنا ، أنت ، أنتم ، أنتما ، أنتن ، إياك ، إياك



c-verbs:
أخذ
أدركَ
أسافر
أغسل
ألعب
أصلي
أكرْم
أحسن
أستعملُ
أستعينُ
أنعطفُ
أستشيرُ
أتعلمُ
أكرمُ
أحسنُ
أكتبُ
أجلسُ
أكل
أخذ
أمر
أنصتَ


d-prepositions:
إن ، أن ، إلى


2-hamzatul Qate in the middle of the word:

سأل
مسألة
فأس

سؤال

يؤدي

بؤس

مسؤول

سُئِل
مِئُون
يَئِد
وِئَام
أسْئِلة
بيئَة
قراءَة
ضوءَه



3- hamzatul Qate at the end of the word:



يقرَأ

يجرُؤ

شاطىء




4-hamzatul Qate that preceded by hamzatulwasl:


اِئـْتمر ، اِئـْْتمار ــ اِئـْتمن ، ائتمان ــ ائتزر ، ائتزار ــ ائتمّ ، ائتمام ــ ائتلف ، ائتلاف


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Ummu Sufyaan
11-08-2007, 07:13 AM
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when attaching a word/letter after hamzatul-qate, do you write the hamza on the nabra.
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Imam
11-08-2007, 09:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11
:sl:
when attaching a word/letter after hamzatul-qate, do you write the hamza on the nabra.
:sl:

If hamzatul-qate comes in the middle of the word it has 4 forms:

1-we put it on the alef if :

a- if it is preceded by the fat'ha الفتحة)
and has fatha on it.(مفتوحة

eg, سأل

b-If it if it is preceded by sokoon سكون)
and it has الفتحة)
on it.(مفتوحة

eg, مسألة

c-If it if it is preceded by fatha and has sokoon on it(ساكنة

eg, فأس

2-We put it on the Waw الواو


A- If it if it is preceded by fat'ha and has Dammah on it (مضمومة

eg, سؤال

B-If it if it is preceded by dammah and has fat'ha (مفتوحة

eg, يؤدي

c- If it if it is preceded by sokoon and has dammah (مضمومة
eg, بؤس

d-If it if it is preceded by dammah and has sokoon (ساكنة
eg, مسؤول

3- we write the hamza on the nabra.

If it has Kasrah ( مكسورة
or preceded by something has a kasrah ما قبلها مكسورا)

eg, سُئِل , مِئُون , يَئِد , وِئَام, أسْئِلة, بِئْر, مِئِين ,

4-we write it on the line (تكتب على السطر

A-If it is preceded by Alef madd and has fat'ha مفتوحة)
eg, قراءَة


B-If it is preceded by waw sakenah ( واو ساكنة) and has fat'ha (مفتوحة)
eg
ضوءَه

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Imam
11-08-2007, 09:14 AM
If hamzatul Qate comes at the end of the word:

1-we write it on (alef) if what preceded it has fat'ha مفتوحا
eg,
يقرَأ


2-we write it on Waw if what preceded it has Dammah مضموما

eg,يجرُؤ

3-we write it on (yaa) if what preceded it has kasrah مكسورا

eg, شاطىء
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Ummu Sufyaan
11-09-2007, 06:37 AM
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jazakallahu khair.
how would you write the word sha2nahoo and is this how you write the word al-shaa2inah: الشاءنة
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Imam
11-09-2007, 09:11 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11
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jazakallahu khair.
how would you write the word sha2nahoo and is this how you write the word al-shaa2inah: الشاءنة
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we have two words

شائنة

or

شانئه


how you write the word al-shaa2inah?

الشائنة

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Ummu Sufyaan
11-15-2007, 06:37 AM
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format_quote Originally Posted by Imam
3- we write the hamza on the nabra.

If it has Kasrah ( مكسورة
or preceded by something has a kasrah ما قبلها مكسورا)

eg, سُئِل , مِئُون , يَئِد , وِئَام, أسْئِلة, بِئْر, مِئِين ,

.
how you write the word al-shaa2inah?

الشائنة
Why would you write the hamza on the nabra in the word الشائنة when the rule regarding wrting hamzatul wasl is
If it has Kasrah ( مكسورة or preceded by something has a kasrah ما قبلها مكسورا)
same for word الملائكة and so on.
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Imam
11-17-2007, 10:56 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11
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Why would you write the hamza on the nabra in the word الشائنة when the rule regarding wrting hamzatul wasl is
same for word الملائكة and so on.
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If it has Kasrah ( مكسورة or preceded by something has a kasrah ما قبلها مكسورا)

الشائنة and الملائكة
both has Kasrah below the hamza.... though not preceded by something has a kasrah.

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Ummu Sufyaan
11-18-2007, 07:03 AM
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so in other words than, if it doesn't have kasrah, or if it is preceeded by a kasrah, than it remains unattached an written on the line. eg. السءال?
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Imam
11-18-2007, 12:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11
:sl:
so in other words than, if it doesn't have kasrah, or if it is preceeded by a kasrah, than it remains unattached an written on the line. eg. السءال?
:sl:

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We put it on the Waw الواو


A- If it if it is preceded by fat'ha and has Dammah on it (مضمومة

eg, سؤال

B-If it if it is preceded by dammah and has fat'ha (مفتوحة

eg, يؤدي

c- If it if it is preceded by sokoon and has dammah (مضمومة
eg, بؤس

d-If it if it is preceded by dammah and has sokoon (ساكنة
eg, مسؤول


4-we write it on the line (تكتب على السطر

A-If it is preceded by Alef madd and has fat'ha مفتوحة)
eg, قراءَة


B-If it is preceded by waw sakenah ( واو ساكنة) and has fat'ha (مفتوحة)
eg
ضوءَه


the hamzah in the word سؤال

is on the wawa,not written on the line....

in قراءَة it is written on the line...

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amirah_87
11-18-2007, 12:51 PM
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Sister Maryam, I would really recommend this book if you could get hold of it inshaAllaah :

نيل الغناء بتهذيب قواعد الالماء - Naylul-Ghinaa bi-tahdeeb Qawaa'idul-Imlaa'

By: Abu Maajid, 'Alawiy bin Ahmed Al-Yaafi'iy.

Taqdeem: Abi Abdur-Rahmaan, Muqbil bin Haadee Al-Waad'iy.


It makes this all so simple and easy, honestly!

It can be found in Daarul-Harmain; Cairo Or Maktabat San'aa Al-Athariyyah.
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