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wilberhum
10-24-2007, 08:23 PM
Turkish warplanes have bombed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) targets along the Iraqi border in southeast Turkey, the country's semi-official Anatolia news agency has said.

The agency said fighter jets from an air force base at Diyarbakir, the main city in the mainly Kurdish southeast, bombed and destroyed several PKK positions on Wednesday.

It said the bombings particularly targeted PKK routes in high mountainous areas.

The raids were said to have been conducted in four provinces, Sirnak and Hakkari, which border Iraq and neighbouring Siirt and Van, which abut the Iranian border.

Bomb attacks

Anatolia said helicopter gunships had also taken part in raids which followed the killing of 12 soldiers in a PKK ambush near the Iraqi border on Sunday.
Turkey has confirmed that eight soldiers are missing following the ambush.

On Tuesday, a pro-Kurdish news agency close to the PKK published what it said were pictures of the troops it said were being held by the group.

Anatolia said suspected PKK fighters had detonated two remote-controlled bombs in the eastern province of Tunceli as soldiers combed a rural area for landmines.

It said security forces had defused other explosive devices found in the area and there had been no casualties.

An operation against the PKK, backed by air cover, is under way in Tunceli, it said.
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KAding
10-27-2007, 11:49 AM
I can't help but feel sympathetic with the Turks on this issue somehow. The should obviously have a right to defend themselves against these terrorist attacks. There are some parallels with the Israeli conflict in Lebanon last year.

On an interesting side note. It has been rather tense in some parts of Brussels this week. A Kurdish restaurant was vandalized and an Armenian shopkeeper was beaten up by an angry mob of Belgians of Turkish descent.

A bit disturbing really, that these conflicts are so easily exported due to nationalist or religious sentiment. The same happened before with the Pal/Israeli conflict.
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sevgi
10-27-2007, 02:07 PM
Turkey anger at Europe over PKK

Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan has criticised EU nations for not doing more to tackle activists from the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

He said EU nations were not arresting or extraditing PKK members.
Turkey has regularly asked countries to do more against the PKK, which the EU regards as a terrorist group.
Mr Erdogan was speaking after talks between Turkey and Iraq ended without progress on Iraqi proposals to stop PKK attacks on Turkey from Iraq.
Turkey has warned it will not tolerate more cross-border raids and has massed troops along the border.
Mr Erdogan questioned the sincerity of EU nations on the PKK issue.

"No EU country has extradited members of the PKK to Turkey, despite labelling it as a terrorist organisation," Mr Erdogan said on Turkish TV.
He did not mention any European nation by name.
But he did refer to a recent disagreement with Austria over its refusal to arrest a senior PKK member who then boarded a plane to northern Iraq, the AFP news agency reported.

Ground attack threat

Talks in the Turkish capital Ankara between Turkish and Iraqi officials were aimed at heading off military action by Turkey's armed forces across their common border, after a series of attacks on Turkish troops by rebel Kurdish fighters based in northern Iraq.
But the talks ended without progress on Friday and no further meetings were planned.
The Iraqi delegation said the proposals put forward were practical, realistic and feasible, according to the BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad.
The proposals included using multinational forces - presumably Americans - to monitor the border, the rehabilitation and strengthening of old Iraqi border posts, the closure of what it called illegal bases and steps to dry up the PKK's finances, our correspondent says.
Turkey had said the Iraqi proposals would have taken too long to take effect.
Turkey wants the PKK's mountain bases in the far north of Iraq closed and the leadership handed over, the BBC's Jonny Dymond in Ankara says.
Mr Erdogan is due to meet US President George W Bush in Washington on 5 November.
A senior Turkish general suggested that Turkey's threat to launch a ground offensive into Iraq would not be carried out before that meeting.
"The armed forces will carry out a cross-border offensive when assigned," NTV television quoted General Yasar Buyukanit as saying on Friday. "Prime Minister Erdogan's visit to the United States is very important, we will wait for his return."
Turkish military and civilian leaders have also recommended economic measures against northern Iraq, which relies heavily on Turkey for food and electricity.
The PKK - which is designated a terrorist organisation by Turkey, the US, and the EU - is thought to have about 3,000 rebels based in Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7065111.stm
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Lina
10-28-2007, 04:31 AM
Originally Posted by KAding
I can't help but feel sympathetic with the Turks on this issue somehow. The should obviously have a right to defend themselves against these terrorist attacks. There are some parallels with the Israeli conflict in Lebanon last year.

On an interesting side note. It has been rather tense in some parts of Brussels this week. A Kurdish restaurant was vandalized and an Armenian shopkeeper was beaten up by an angry mob of Belgians of Turkish descent.

A bit disturbing really, that these conflicts are so easily exported due to nationalist or religious sentiment. The same happened before with the Pal/Israeli conflict.
Serieus?

Was dat op 't nieuws? Heb 't vast gemist.
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sevgi
10-28-2007, 04:53 AM
Originally Posted by Lina
Serieus?

Was dat op 't nieuws? Heb 't vast gemist.
what???
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KAding
10-28-2007, 10:17 AM
Originally Posted by Lina
Serieus?

Was dat op 't nieuws? Heb 't vast gemist.
Na ja, we moeten ook niet overdrijven natatuurlijk. Het waren maar kleine opstootjes.

http://www.vrtnieuws.net/cm/vrtnieuw...1027schaarbeek
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/cm/vrtnieuw...ussel/1.197199
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KAding
10-28-2007, 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by sumeyye
what???
It's Dutch! Which, now that I think about it, is probably not allowed on this forum. :-[
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sevgi
10-28-2007, 10:36 AM
did she say "was that on the news?"...and then refer u to a chemist....:D
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NoName55
10-28-2007, 11:08 AM
http://www2.worldlingo.com/
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sevgi
10-28-2007, 11:20 AM
^^^

i think i need to open an account and apply for translations to use this site..

my net is playing up on me..it may just be me...

sorry...couldnt use the online translator...:(

but thats ok..she was probably dissing turks or something and that will just fiddle me off...

now i dnt need that do i...
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Lina
10-28-2007, 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by KAding
Na ja, we moeten ook niet overdrijven natatuurlijk. Het waren maar kleine opstootjes.

http://www.vrtnieuws.net/cm/vrtnieuw...1027schaarbeek
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/cm/vrtnieuw...ussel/1.197199
Aha, overdrijf dan ook niet.

Bedankt voor de links.
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yigiter187
10-30-2007, 07:32 AM
no country can stop turkey if there remains no patient in turkey..we all know that pkk is a terrörist org and usa and eu supports them..even americans confess this fact..but we have no time to lose anymore...pkk killed 40.000 innocent ppl in turkey..each one of pkk and each one supporting it will pay the bill..inshallah..
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KAding
10-30-2007, 09:44 AM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
no country can stop turkey if there remains no patient in turkey..we all know that pkk is a terrörist org and usa and eu supports them..even americans confess this fact..but we have no time to lose anymore...pkk killed 40.000 innocent ppl in turkey..each one of pkk and each one supporting it will pay the bill..inshallah..
Ehm...How does the West support the PKK? They are communists and are on the list of terrorist organizations both in the US and the EU!
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sevgi
10-30-2007, 09:58 AM
Originally Posted by KAding
Ehm...How does the West support the PKK? They are communists and are on the list of terrorist organizations both in the US and the EU!
read the article i posted earlier.

perhaps 'suporting' is too evident a term.yes, they are recognised as terrosrists...but not intervening in mass killing is a form of subliminal 'supprort' dont u think?

peace.
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KAding
10-30-2007, 11:24 AM
Originally Posted by sumeyye
read the article i posted earlier.

perhaps 'suporting' is too evident a term.yes, they are recognised as terrosrists...but not intervening in mass killing is a form of subliminal 'supprort' dont u think?

peace.
Ok, I would agree with you if you say the European countries have been too soft on Kurdish terrorists. But I wouldn't confuse that with support. We are certainly not supporting them in any way, be it politically, monetary or militarily. However, we have not put enough priority on the prosecution Kurdish terrorists. Lets hope the current tensions will help the European law enforcments agencies to get of their collective asses.

Now, on another point. In general, the relations between the AK party and Kurds in Turkey has been fairly good, no? How would characterize recent relations between Turks and Kurds in Turkey in general? I was under the impression things were improving the last few years? Especially after the arrest of Ocalan in the late 90s. Was that a wrong impression?
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sevgi
10-30-2007, 12:10 PM
Originally Posted by KAding
Ok, I would agree with you if you say the European countries have been too soft on Kurdish terrorists. But I wouldn't confuse that with support. We are certainly not supporting them in any way, be it politically, monetary or militarily. However, we have not put enough priority on the prosecution Kurdish terrorists. Lets hope the current tensions will help the European law enforcments agencies to get of their collective asses.

Now, on another point. In general, the relations between the AK party and Kurds in Turkey has been fairly good, no? How would characterize recent relations between Turks and Kurds in Turkey in general? I was under the impression things were improving the last few years? Especially after the arrest of Ocalan in the late 90s. Was that a wrong impression?
im am very very certain that yigiter187 will be able to answer this question much much better than i, due to the fact that he actually lives in turkey...eastern Turkey where there is a predominancy of kurdish peoples.

i on the other hand can only provide u with my humble opinion and acquired understanding through following this issue over turkish news(which makes a big differnce) and the bias of friends and family whom have some form of first person experience...

i have watched as sudden upsurges of attack from the ppk and over the iraq border hit turkey and kill innocent soldiers. since the arrest of ocalan(which is highly political and a story within itsself) the pkk has had tensions about leadership and was shaken on its grounds. so..the word to use is possibly 'confusion'.

kurdish guerillas attack the borders of small villages all the time.the neigbouring villages are where one would need to look in order to see that the ppk is in a state of anything but rest and that the relations between turkey and the ppk are not getting better. the reports on such attacks are endless, yet...they never reach the 'breaking news' columns...

it is only when the large scale is hit that the rest of the world hears about it...i think the Ak part and the turkish military is getting sick of sending new troops into the villages...they just keep getting killed.it is so depressing...watching all the funerals every friday...

it has been asserted (check news headlines) that turkey actually has the right to act against the kurdish guerillas in iraq...which is what is going on at the moment...howver, i dnt think that the turkish govt wants to make a big or too bad of an impression..."war with neigbouring countries?" "civil wars?" thats not what turkey needs...

lol...they just mite be accused of genocide a few decades later...

how bout u? what was it that led you to believe the relations were getting better? i dno about deep seated govt policies etc, but i was never under that impression..due to the above...
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wilberhum
10-30-2007, 10:34 PM
The thing that bothers me the most about this is the lack of US involvement.

The US asks everyone to assist us against those that terrorize the US.
By that same logic we need to assist any one who is being terrorized.

The PKK are terrorists, but since they don’t terrorize the US, we turn a blind eye.

Shame on us.
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sevgi
10-30-2007, 11:21 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
The thing that bothers me the most about this is the lack of US involvement.

The US asks everyone to assist us against those that terrorize the US.
By that same logic we need to assist any one who is being terrorized.

The PKK are terrorists, but since they don’t terrorize the US, we turn a blind eye.

Shame on us.
hmm..i appreciate your post.

i would like to say that the US is currently too busy labeling the state of sudan-darfur as the revolting machinations of the 'the 'arab' tribes...' the effort they show towards darfur is a confusing one. yet i cant help my bias interviening an showing me that its coz its so appropriate for the current light against 'dark-skinned arabs'...

the US certainly is selective in its assistance.

currently, i do not know what they are trying to do in regards to turkey...they are not helping with pkk...

and they have just labeled the armenian conflict a genocide...not that it is any of their business...they are just nosy and their announcement does turn heads...

the pkk is an aparent terrorist organisation...and due to the fact that they have no global or US threat..as u said wilber, they turn the blind eye...
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sevgi
10-31-2007, 05:31 AM
i know u guys all follow the news...but i thought i'd fill you in on the latest in regards to the issue...

Turkish copters pound Kurd rebels

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkey's prime minister said Tuesday increased military action against separatist Kurdish rebels was "unavoidable" and pressed the United States for a crackdown on guerrilla bases in northern Iraq.
Turkish helicopters pounded rebel positions near the border with rockets for a second day and Turkey brought in troops by the truckload in an operation against mountainside emplacements.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told members of his party in parliament "it is now unavoidable that Turkey will have to go through a more intensive military process."

But he also suggested he was not seeking an immediate cross-border offensive against the rebels of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, holed up in bases in northern Iraq. "The responsibility of leadership does not allow for narrow mindedness, haste or heroism," he said.

"We must remember that Turkey is part of this world and diplomacy has certain requirements," Erdogan added, suggesting the world expected Turkey to exhaust all nonmilitary options.

Erdogan flies to Washington on Nov. 5 for talks with President Bush that could be key to whether Turkey carries out its threat of a major military incursion. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is also expected in Turkey later this week.

"We will openly express that we expect urgent steps from the United States, which is our strategic partner and ally and has a special responsibility regarding Iraq," Erdogan said.

The United States, Iraq and other countries have been calling on Turkey to refrain from a cross-border campaign, which could throw one of the few stable areas in Iraq into chaos. A Turkish incursion would also put the United States in an awkward position with key allies: NATO-member Turkey, the Baghdad government and the self-governing Iraqi Kurds in the north.
White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush's discussions with Erdogan would include "the fight against terrorism -- in particular our joint efforts to counter the PKK."

Turkish Cobra attack helicopters blasted suspected PKK targets in the Mount Cudi area, near the southeastern border with Iraq for a second day, trying to hunt down some 100 rebels believed to be hiding in mountainside caves, the private Dogan news agency reported.

The fighting has claimed the lives of three Turkish soldiers and six guerrillas, local news reports said.

Transport helicopters flew in commando units to block possible rebel escape routes on Cudi, Dogan reported.

An AP Television News cameraman said attack helicopters escorted four Black Hawk helicopters on Cudi, as they airlifted soldiers to the mountain and picked others up. Smoke could be seen rising from areas that had been hit in the attacks.

Dogan reported a 100-vehicle military convoy traveling from Cizre toward the border.

A Kurdish political party warned that the fighting threatened to increase animosity between the Turkish and Kurdish populations in Turkey.
Turkey is "moving toward a dangerous war in our region which will seriously damage historical relations between Turks and Kurds," Nurettin Demirtas, a senior party official, told reporters.

Erdogan's Cabinet scheduled a meeting for Wednesday to discuss possible economic measures against groups supporting the Kurdish rebels.

Deputy Prime Minister Hayati Yazici said Turkey was considering a series of sanctions against the self-governing Kurdish administration in Iraq's north.
Yazici would not give any details, but the Iraqi region is heavily reliant on Turkish electricity and food imports, as well as Turkish investment in construction. There has been talk of shutting down the Habur border crossing -- the only vehicular route into Iraq from Turkey.

Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the Iraqi Kurd regional government, complained that economic sanctions "would represent a collective punishment against Kurdistan's people."

He warned that Turkey and the U.S. Army also would suffer if the border crossing was closed. About 70 percent of U.S. air cargo headed for Iraq goes through Turkey, as does about one-third of the fuel used by the U.S. military there.

Massoud Barzani, the leader of Iraq's Kurdish region, called for a peaceful solution to the crisis.

"We believe that military action is not the solution. We are not part of this problem and we will not allow anyone to drag us into a war that is not our war," Barzani said at a news conference after a meeting of the regional parliament in Irbil.

At least 46 people have been killed by the PKK in Turkey over the past month, according to government and media reports. Those included at least 30 Turkish soldiers killed in two ambushes that were the boldest attacks in years and increased domestic pressure on Erdogan to act.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/me...ef=werecommend
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KAding
10-31-2007, 10:12 AM
Originally Posted by sumeyye
im am very very certain that yigiter187 will be able to answer this question much much better than i, due to the fact that he actually lives in turkey...eastern Turkey where there is a predominancy of kurdish peoples.

i on the other hand can only provide u with my humble opinion and acquired understanding through following this issue over turkish news(which makes a big differnce) and the bias of friends and family whom have some form of first person experience...

i have watched as sudden upsurges of attack from the ppk and over the iraq border hit turkey and kill innocent soldiers. since the arrest of ocalan(which is highly political and a story within itsself) the pkk has had tensions about leadership and was shaken on its grounds. so..the word to use is possibly 'confusion'.

kurdish guerillas attack the borders of small villages all the time.the neigbouring villages are where one would need to look in order to see that the ppk is in a state of anything but rest and that the relations between turkey and the ppk are not getting better. the reports on such attacks are endless, yet...they never reach the 'breaking news' columns...

it is only when the large scale is hit that the rest of the world hears about it...i think the Ak part and the turkish military is getting sick of sending new troops into the villages...they just keep getting killed.it is so depressing...watching all the funerals every friday...

it has been asserted (check news headlines) that turkey actually has the right to act against the kurdish guerillas in iraq...which is what is going on at the moment...howver, i dnt think that the turkish govt wants to make a big or too bad of an impression..."war with neigbouring countries?" "civil wars?" thats not what turkey needs...

lol...they just mite be accused of genocide a few decades later...

how bout u? what was it that led you to believe the relations were getting better? i dno about deep seated govt policies etc, but i was never under that impression..due to the above...
Thanks for the reply.

Well, I was under the impression the Turkish government got a bit softer on Kurds in general (not necessarily the PKK!). For example, didn't the Turkish government recently allow Kurdish to be taught in schools? And allow Kurdish-language TV to be broadcast?

In general I had somewhat expected the strong economic growth and recent liberal reforms to have eased the tensions. But then again, apparently extremists like the PKK can easily undo any progress.
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sevgi
10-31-2007, 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by KAding
Thanks for the reply.

Well, I was under the impression the Turkish government got a bit softer on Kurds in general (not necessarily the PKK!). For example, didn't the Turkish government recently allow Kurdish to be taught in schools? And allow Kurdish-language TV to be broadcast?

In general I had somewhat expected the strong economic growth and recent liberal reforms to have eased the tensions. But then again, apparently extremists like the PKK can easily undo any progress.
i wouldnt say they 'got a bit softer'...

i'd say they are trying handle them with care due to the growing tension.

peace.
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wilberhum
10-31-2007, 06:30 PM
Some times I like to be wrong. :D

US gives PKK intelligence to Turkey
Washington is supplying Turkey with intelligence on the hideouts of Kurdish separatists on the Iraqi border, a Pentagon spokesman has said.

Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon press secretary, said on Wednesday that the US is helping Ankara gain the "actionable" intelligence Washington says is needed before any military strike.

He said: "We are assisting the Turks in their efforts to combat the PKK by supplying them with lots of intelligence.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...2A04488AE0.htm
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sevgi
11-01-2007, 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
Some times I like to be wrong. :D

US gives PKK intelligence to Turkey
Washington is supplying Turkey with intelligence on the hideouts of Kurdish separatists on the Iraqi border, a Pentagon spokesman has said.

Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon press secretary, said on Wednesday that the US is helping Ankara gain the "actionable" intelligence Washington says is needed before any military strike.

He said: "We are assisting the Turks in their efforts to combat the PKK by supplying them with lots of intelligence.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...2A04488AE0.htm
wilber ur not wrong,

thanks for what uve provided, i didnt know that.were not here to merely assert out views but to also become enlightened right? thanks.

you cant be one sided in these issue.u must look at all sides. we cant just sit there and **** the west for sitting on their bottoms.they are obviously doing something...

well, id like to say that helping with the finding of such areas is so minor...

sort of makes you think 'how do they know'...lol.

i know that US intelligence is a force to be reckoned with.
bt its clear that turkey doesnt appreciate it, or knows that they can actually do more and that finding the kurdish troops is merely childsplay.its getting em thats the hard bit. turkey doesnt want to do it alone coz they dnt want rivalry.
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yigiter187
11-01-2007, 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by KAding
Ehm...How does the West support the PKK? They are communists and are on the list of terrorist organizations both in the US and the EU!
let me say only one of many...

roj tv,channel of pkk terrorists,broadcasts in denmark and denmark,they supposedly recognise pkk as terrorist org,let roj tv its broadcast...ı think no need to say other supports...there are many so it will take time...eu and us behave two-facedly to us about pkk..
think a country that comes from thosands of miles away to exterminate terrorism..but same country does nothing to stop pkk which is a hundred miles away,although it recognises pkk as terrorist org...
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yigiter187
11-01-2007, 04:16 PM
and as to the eu media...they are totally blind..they still say "kurdish rebellions" and "kurdish guerillas"...what fool!!!!

for what do u think pkk kills innocents..?tell me this please..
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wilberhum
11-01-2007, 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by sumeyye
wilber ur not wrong,

thanks for what uve provided, i didnt know that.were not here to merely assert out views but to also become enlightened right? thanks.

you cant be one sided in these issue.u must look at all sides. we cant just sit there and **** the west for sitting on their bottoms.they are obviously doing something...

well, id like to say that helping with the finding of such areas is so minor...

sort of makes you think 'how do they know'...lol.

i know that US intelligence is a force to be reckoned with.
bt its clear that turkey doesnt appreciate it, or knows that they can actually do more and that finding the kurdish troops is merely childsplay.its getting em thats the hard bit. turkey doesnt want to do it alone coz they dnt want rivalry.
Well I never thought the intellegance help the US was giving was a massave effort. But remember I said/implied NO help. So to that extent, I was wrong. I do think you may have minimized the "Help" more than what is due. But then that all comes to "Personal Openion".

On agreement, the US needs to do a lot more in this area.
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Keltoi
11-01-2007, 06:03 PM
The U.S. is not interested in protecting the PKK, they are interested in not destabilizing yet another portion of Iraq, which a Turkish military incursion into the north would obviously do.

There is also the question of Iraqi sovereignty, which goes back to the effectiveness of the new Iraqi government. If Turkey can just cross the border and strike inside of Iraq, that calls into question the authority of the Iraqi government. It is a complicated set of problems here that goes beyond simply helping or hurting the PKK.
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wilberhum
11-02-2007, 07:09 PM
Rice brands PKK 'common enemy'
Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, has said Washington views Kurdish fighters who have launched attacks on Turkey from Iraq as a "common enemy".

Rice, on a visit to Turkey, said at a press conference on Friday that Washington and Ankara needed to show "commitment and persistence" against the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

Ali Babacan, Turkey's foreign minister, said in the same press conference that Rice's visit to Turkey marked the start of closer co-operation between the Nato allies against the PKK.

Rice said that Washington and Ankara were working together on intelligence sharing to combat the separatist group.

Rice will later attend wider talks in Istanbul to discuss Ankara's strategy against the PKK, who have launched attacks against Turkey from bases in northern Iraq.

Iraqi officials are also attending the Istanbul conference, which was originally meant to focus on Iraq's long-term stability.

The meeting comes amid concerns that Turkey may launch cross-border raids against fighters from the PKK.

Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, is also attending the talks.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...07471CACA6.htm
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wilberhum
11-13-2007, 06:08 PM
Turkish soldiers die in PKK clashes
Four Turkish soldiers have been killed and two injured in clashes with Kurdish fighters in the southeast of the country, the Turkish army has said.

A lieutenant and three privates died on Tuesday while battling Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) fighters on Mount Kupeli, Sirnak province, the statement said. It gave no figure on PKK losses.

Local security sources had earlier reported that the clashes occurred on Mount Gabar, which is close to Kupeli.

The soldiers were the first casualties of the conflict on Turkish territory since November 7 when troops killed three PKK separatist fighters.

Turkish helicopters later bombed villages in northern Iraq where Kurdish fighters are suspected to be hiding, two Turkish television channels reported.

CNN Turk television, quoting Iraqi officials, said the villages had been empty at the time.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...43558DAA8C.htm
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yigiter187
11-14-2007, 11:37 AM
"kurdısh fıghters"?

western media will learn everything soon..
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KAding
11-14-2007, 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
"kurdısh fıghters"?

western media will learn everything soon..
I personally wouldn't call Al-jazeera 'Western' ;).

I suppose you want them to call them Kurdish terrorists? This is not bias IMHO. The Western media doesn't even call the Taliban terrorists or even the Iraqi 'insurgents'.
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yigiter187
11-18-2007, 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by KAding
I personally wouldn't call Al-jazeera 'Western' ;).

I suppose you want them to call them Kurdish terrorists? This is not bias IMHO. The Western media doesn't even call the Taliban terrorists or even the Iraqi 'insurgents'.
but ı wud personally call it as " western media"
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wilberhum
11-19-2007, 01:09 AM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
but ı wud personally call it as " western media"
And if I call a fish a bicycle, what does that mean? :D

I would guess. totally stupid. :muddlehea
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wilberhum
11-19-2007, 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
but ı wud personally call it as " western media"
And if I call a fish a bicycle, what does that mean? :D

I would guess. totally stupid. :muddlehea
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Cognescenti
11-19-2007, 02:02 AM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
but ı wud personally call it as " western media"
The Arabic language service of Al Jazeera is no more "Western" than John Wayne was Indian. (I think he did play Genghis Khan once but it was a serious error in creative judgment).
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yigiter187
11-19-2007, 09:15 AM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
And if I call a fish a bicycle, what does that mean? :D

I would guess. totally stupid. :muddlehea
stupid hahaha!!

let me give a sample...coca-cola is a western brand,company right?
coca-cola has a factory in turkey..does this change the fact that coca-cola is western?
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wilberhum
11-19-2007, 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
stupid hahaha!!

let me give a sample...coca-cola is a western brand,company right?
coca-cola has a factory in turkey..does this change the fact that coca-cola is western?
But Al-jazeera is owned and operated from Quatar. So your Coca-Cola analagy is another fish and bicycle example.

So ya, it is really stupid. :-\

You really need to address why you refuse to accept reality.
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al-muslimah
11-20-2007, 02:49 AM
See turkey has a secular and anti-islamic government.Those kuffar turkey miloitary are figting with the kurdish mujahideen Ansarul Islam who came into power a few years ago in Kurdistan and they want to stop them fomr adopting sharia. Indeed the curse of Allah is upon the disbelievers.
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sevgi
11-20-2007, 05:10 AM
Originally Posted by Cognescenti
The Arabic language service of Al Jazeera is no more "Western" than John Wayne was Indian. (I think he did play Genghis Khan once but it was a serious error in creative judgment).
genghis khaan wasnt indian....

+o(
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yigiter187
11-20-2007, 09:33 AM
Originally Posted by al-muslimah
See turkey has a secular and anti-islamic government.Those kuffar turkey miloitary are figting with the kurdish mujahideen Ansarul Islam who came into power a few years ago in Kurdistan and they want to stop them fomr adopting sharia. Indeed the curse of Allah is upon the disbelievers.
can u post a map that shows where the "kurdistan" is?

and ı think u know what it means to call a muslim as "kuffar"...
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Al-Zaara
11-20-2007, 09:37 AM
Originally Posted by al-muslimah
See turkey has a secular and anti-islamic government.Those kuffar turkey miloitary are figting with the kurdish mujahideen Ansarul Islam who came into power a few years ago in Kurdistan and they want to stop them fomr adopting sharia. Indeed the curse of Allah is upon the disbelievers.
Total rubbish.
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yigiter187
11-20-2007, 11:15 AM
Originally Posted by al-muslimah
See turkey has a secular and anti-islamic government.Those kuffar turkey miloitary are figting with the kurdish mujahideen Ansarul Islam who came into power a few years ago in Kurdistan and they want to stop them fomr adopting sharia. Indeed the curse of Allah is upon the disbelievers.
kurdish mujahidden? they do jihad for what? for islam or for their race? and islam curses those who fight for their race as all of us know...kurdistan!!!!is there anyone who knows a country called kurdistan here..
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wilberhum
11-20-2007, 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
kurdish mujahidden? they do jihad for what? for islam or for their race? and islam curses those who fight for their race as all of us know...kurdistan!!!!is there anyone who knows a country called kurdistan here..
Are we to be shocked that you use religion to justify terrorism? :-\
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Amadeus85
11-20-2007, 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by al-muslimah
See turkey has a secular and anti-islamic government.Those kuffar turkey miloitary are figting with the kurdish mujahideen Ansarul Islam who came into power a few years ago in Kurdistan and they want to stop them fomr adopting sharia. Indeed the curse of Allah is upon the disbelievers.
I read somewhere that PKK is socialist or communist party.
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wilberhum
11-20-2007, 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
I read somewhere that PKK is socialist or communist party.
Dang, I forgot that. Of course your right.

Obviously al-muslimah thinks the comunists are mujahideen too. :giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling: :giggling::giggling::giggling:
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sevgi
11-21-2007, 08:41 AM
Originally Posted by al-muslimah
See turkey has a secular and anti-islamic government.Those kuffar turkey miloitary are figting with the kurdish mujahideen Ansarul Islam who came into power a few years ago in Kurdistan and they want to stop them fomr adopting sharia. Indeed the curse of Allah is upon the disbelievers.
u need help

ur understanding on this matter are quite corrupt....
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sevgi
11-21-2007, 08:48 AM
i think whats happened here is that we have circulated back to the basics of the pkk...

jihad? jihad is a religious understanding and practice... it is to be practices when ones religious identity is under direct physical attack...but no need for details or picking of my wording...

i merely state this in order to illuminate the fact that the PKK can in no way be called mujahidin...theyre not doing jihad...they are fighting for their race,,,for land...for material gain. they are imposing terror upon the well being of an established government...islam cannot and does not accept that.

about them being communist..? ive heard too many stories about their political core...and it shouldnt matter when their intentions are clear as cystal.

i think what we should be talking about here is "what is and should turkey be doing next in order to protect and rectify this terrorism? what are the commion superpowers roles in this? what will the consequences be..."

blah.

peace.
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yigiter187
11-21-2007, 11:32 AM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
Are we to be shocked that you use religion to justify terrorism? :-\
ı didnt mean ı support terrorism..usame or ppl like him are terrosits..they dont do jihad..religion dont justifies to kill ppl for race..religion curses the ones who kill ppl for their races..pkk does this..they kill kurds for the race of "kurdish"...
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wilberhum
11-21-2007, 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
ı didnt mean ı support terrorism..usame or ppl like him are terrosits..they dont do jihad..religion dont justifies to kill ppl for race..religion curses the ones who kill ppl for their races..pkk does this..they kill kurds for the race of "kurdish"...
Yigiter,
I must appologise. My post was ment to be directed to al-muslimah. :hmm:

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abdil han
11-21-2007, 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by al-muslimah
See turkey has a secular and anti-islamic government.Those kuffar turkey miloitary are figting with the kurdish mujahideen Ansarul Islam who came into power a few years ago in Kurdistan and they want to stop them fomr adopting sharia. Indeed the curse of Allah is upon the disbelievers.
my goodness...

sister u need to read more n more about PKK,kurdistan n Türkiye,

PKK is a comunist org n most of those terrorists are nt even muslim,,,n they are killing innocents,babies etc,

and do u really believe that they wanna establish sheria there in northern Irak? if u say yes,its funny, how come when USA r supporting them? do u think that USA let this to be?!...

and about our army,
the ruling system can be secular but not the people,we are all muslim n those soldiers died just to protect their country which includes 70 000 mosques n 75 millions muslims,if we still can pray in masjeeds, we owe this to them...

all the people saw in Irak,Palestine,Aphganistan,Bosnia n etc,what happenes when u cant protect ur own country...n we are protecting our freedom,our deen,our divines,n we will keep doing this forever...


now try to look carefully n see the truths,

salam aleykum
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Talha777
11-22-2007, 01:09 AM
Turkey is a disgrace

Once they were the pride of the Muslims, now they are an embarrasment for the whole world of Islam
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Al-Zaara
11-22-2007, 04:28 AM
Originally Posted by Talha777
Turkey is a disgrace

Once they were the pride of the Muslims, now they are an embarrasment for the whole world of Islam
Wow, really? Now name me a Muslim country which isn't a disgrace for the whole Islamic world! And don't you dare say Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afganistan... because that would just make my day. :rollseyes

Every country has its flaws, as every Muslim has.
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al-muslimah
11-22-2007, 05:33 AM
Hello there are mujahideen in kurdistan.duh yourself.
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sevgi
11-22-2007, 08:48 AM
can someone please close this thread before i throw up...

please...for the sake of everyones imaan..
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Al-Zaara
11-22-2007, 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by sumeyye
can someone please close this thread before i throw up...

please...for the sake of everyones imaan..
Yes, good idea. I feel I'll become very very rude soon if these rubbish claims as the above ones continue to come. Astagfirullah.
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yigiter187
11-22-2007, 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by al-muslimah
Hello there are mujahideen in kurdistan.duh yourself.
mohammed rasulullah says:the one who causes bad thing is like the doer of it...""""al sebeu kel faal"""

pkk killed 40.000 ppl for their race..and u r supporting pkk so ı think u want to take the sin of killing 40.000 innocent..and ur brain isnt able to read my posts...post a map that shows where "kurdistan" is...
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yigiter187
11-22-2007, 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Talha777
Turkey is a disgrace

Once they were the pride of the Muslims, now they are an embarrasment for the whole world of Islam
ıf there werent so great muslim turks in history.....,.....we are the leader of müslim society..can u show me a muslim country that could be the most powerful country of world for 350 years..ı can show u one...THE OTTOMAN, THE TURKS..GOT İT?
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NoName55
11-22-2007, 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by yigiter187
ıf there werent so great muslim turks in history.....,.....we are the leader of müslim society..can u show me a muslim country that could be the most powerful country of world for 350 years..ı can show u one...THE OTTOMAN, THE TURKS..GOT İT?
:sl:

excuse me but I think you are perilously close to making racist posts, enough is enough, I have reasons to believe that LIStaff is aware and is in process of sorting out the provocations.

PS. no offence was intended but if any is taken, its out of my control
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Chechnya
11-23-2007, 12:27 AM
ıf there werent so great muslim turks in history.....,.....we are the leader of müslim society..can u show me a muslim country that could be the most powerful country of world for 350 years..ı can show u one...THE OTTOMAN, THE TURKS..GOT İT?
Ottomans were great because they followed islam - or tried to

now turkey like all other muslim countries is applying its own man-made laws and hence has become a joke - no offence intended
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wilberhum
11-23-2007, 10:49 PM
Originally Posted by Chechnya
Ottomans were great because they followed islam - or tried to

now turkey like all other muslim countries is applying its own man-made laws and hence has become a joke - no offence intended
Turkey is a joke? No offence intended? :hmm:

Were you trying to make a joke? :hiding:
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Amadeus85
11-23-2007, 10:59 PM
Turkey is one of the most succesful nowadays muslim countries. And they dont have oil. Respect for what they achieved.
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al-muslimah
11-24-2007, 01:28 AM
What acheivement???They haven't acheived nothing but disgrace to us, I mean their kuffar government hasn't acheived nothing.
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Chechnya
11-24-2007, 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
Turkey is a joke? No offence intended? :hmm:

Were you trying to make a joke? :hiding:
turkey - the rulers at least -seems to be more non-muslim than non-muslim countries - at least in the Uk one can wear a hijab to uni :rolleyes:

the very non-muslims nature of turkey is a joke for a supposedly muslim country
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sevgi
11-24-2007, 07:36 AM
can we please close this thread...how can u guys let this absolute disgust go on...

for Gods sake...close the thread...please...or mods, PM me stating why one would think this thread is of any use to anyone...

:offended:
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sevgi
11-24-2007, 07:37 AM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
Turkey is a joke? No offence intended? :hmm:

Were you trying to make a joke? :hiding:
kudos...
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NoName55
11-24-2007, 09:22 AM
Originally Posted by sumeyye
can we please close this thread...how can u guys let this absolute disgust go on...

for Gods sake...close the thread...please...or mods, PM me stating why one would think this thread is of any use to anyone...

:offended:
:sl:

just think wiki, this is mozlem version of that, where any and all can play scholar.
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Chechnya
11-24-2007, 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by sumeyye
can we please close this thread...how can u guys let this absolute disgust go on...

for Gods sake...close the thread...please...or mods, PM me stating why one would think this thread is of any use to anyone...

:offended:
what disguting thing are you refering too? :uhwhat
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NoName55
11-24-2007, 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Chechnya
what disguting thing are you refering too? :uhwhat
I think sister is referring to people constantly saying "my race is more Muslim than yours"
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Chechnya
11-24-2007, 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by NoName55
I think sister is referring to people constantly saying "my race is more Muslim than yours"
who said that? i havent read it :?
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sevgi
11-24-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Chechnya
what disguting thing are you refering too? :uhwhat
i applaud u.
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Chechnya
11-24-2007, 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by sumeyye
i applaud u.
for what?

if your suggesting that i made racist comments about turks - then you can get that idea out of your head since its rubbish

stop over-reacting to criticism of turkey - if your a turkish nationalist then you have problems im afraid

and if you feel any comments are wrong then feel free to respond to them
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Woodrow
11-24-2007, 02:01 PM
This thread has gone way off topic and looks like a personal war zone:






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