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islamirama
11-03-2007, 11:20 PM
This is Really How They Feel"

They Met the Resistance in Iraq

By MIKE FERNER
On one of those beautiful, fall Sunday mornings that can make you feel all is right with the world, filmmakers Molly Bingham and Steve Connors discussed their new documentary about Iraqis fighting the U.S. occupation, Meeting Resistance, 84 minutes of unflinching wallop destined to unhinge the way millions of Americans see their country's role in the world.

In May 2003, the same month that George W. Bush stood on an aircraft carrier off California declaring "Mission Accomplished," and a month after Iraqis began organizing a grassroots armed resistance, Bingham, was on assignment in Baghdad's Adhamiya district, hot on the trail of the last sighting of Saddam Hussein.

While there, the 39 year-old photojournalist got a tour of the largest Sunni mosque in Baghdad, named after the seventh century imam, Abu Hanifa. Bingham recalled that, as she drove away from the mosque, her translator mentioned that one of the men they'd just met said he was with the resistance. She filed this away in the back of her mind.

Before returning to the U.S. the next month, Bingham watched news reports, trying unsuccessfully to find out who was beginning to violently oppose the U.S. occupation and why. She talked with a photographer-colleague, Steve Connors, a former British Army MP, who had observed the same lack of coverage.

Between them they had 33 years experience covering conflict zones and decided to collaborate on reporting what till now has been the most visibly under-reported story of the Iraq war. By August they were back in Iraq for another 10 months, Connors to film and Bingham to write.

"This film is seen as somehow really radical," the 48 year-old Connors said. "I've covered 10 conflicts and this is the first time I've heard it's radical to cover the other side. As a German friend of mine asked, 'Americans consider this news?'"

Bingham added, "It's just a really important story. If your work is covering conflict, it's just what you do. You cover both sides, or in some cases three or four sides."

"Imagine if all the reporting from Chechnya was done through Russia's point of view," Connors interjected, "Or if all the news about Palestine came through Israel? In broader terms it's a ridiculous notion."

"We still apply a healthy dose of journalistic skepticism," Bingham said. "We didn't take at face value everything we were told. That's why when people say to us, 'This is biased, it only presents one side,' we say yes, it does only present one side but it's as honest as we can get. Most of the time we're bombarded by one-sided coverage from the U.S. point of view." Finished Connors, "Even including who from the other side gets quoted."
One example of how much difference perspective makes, Connors said, can be as simple as the usage of the term "Sunni triangle."

"I never heard that term from an Iraqi. There are many Sunnis living there, but that area is majority Shia, so Iraqis would never call it that. It's another example of how all our news comes from the lens of the military."

"Yes. America," Connors quickly answered when asked if the pair had a particular audience in mind when they made "Meeting Resistance." Added Bingham, "This is basic journalism. We want to make it available to whoever can get their hands on it."

One audience the film was made available to was a roomful of active duty soldiers, officers and enlisted, in Baghdad earlier this month. ABC News was there and asked two young soldiers who patrol Baghdad nearly every day with the Third Infantry Division, what they thought after seeing the documentary.

Sgt. Mike Kelley told ABC, "When you try to be compassionate and see things from their point of view, this is sort of reinforcing that, saying yeah, this really is how they feel. They're normal people and they're pissed off because we're here and we're not welcome."

Added Specialist Travis Barnes, "We just don't know all the rich details that make these people up and tell us who they are and why they behave the way they behave, and their history. It's stuff we need to know."

One thing that surprised the filmmakers as they were in the midst of their project was how quickly a decentralized resistance developed against the occupation.

Bingham recalled that, "We didn't know what to expect at all, but what we found was that the vast majority of people we spoke with didn't wait to see how the administration of Baghdad was going to go. They just saw they were being occupied and that occupation required a response. Most of the people we interviewed were organizing within a week (of the fall of the Saddam Hussein government in early April, 2003), finding people to work with."

"None of these people required leadership," Connors submitted. "No one told them what to do; they did it as an act of personal conscience. And if you follow that line of thought you can see that a leader in that situation is simply someone who has a few more skills than you do. If, after a while, he veers off from opposing the occupation he might get killed, or in some fashion you settle with him and get another leader. In a strange way, it's almost democratic."

One factor that may explain the relative quickness of the Sunni resistance, Bingham surmised, was that "Sunnis have more of what we would call a 'Protestant' view of their religion. They knew they were right because of their individual interpretation of the Koran; whereas the Shia have a more Catholic relationship with God, with a worldly spiritual leader who interprets the Koran for them."

Both journalists acknowledged that the process of making their seminal film left its mark on them.

"It's given me a sense of empowerment," Connors offered. "There are of course many difficulties raising money and all that, but we've done it all without the resources of a major corporation. To be at as many screenings as we can to answer questions, night after night, is one way of demonstrating 'We are not a corporationhere's what we found, take it or leave it.' Theoretically, you always know you can do that, but to actually do it and go up against all established thought, that's strengthening."
Bingham observed that she learned how much of a challenge a project like this is and how important it is to have someone to work with who feels just as strongly.

"We've been called intrepid, insistent and dogged," the Louisville, Kentucky native explained. "When you cover conflict, especially when your country is involved, giving up is unacceptable. But if I was doing this by myself I think I would have given up."

She added that "To see how our policies are carried out overseas; to be on the sharp end of that, you get a very different view of how we're perceivedand how I perceived my own country. You know, the myth of the democratic and free America is somewhat real on some level, but when you are faced with the hypocrisy of our actions in light of those values, it's a really tough thing to reconcile. I found I was trying to hold the both of those realities together or consider perhaps one may not be true. It truly challenges your core beliefs."

An example of that was when a heckler in New York tried to put her into a corner by demanding to know if she was "an American or a journalist?" "If you're gonna make me choose," Bingham answered him, "I'd say 'a journalist.'"

Asked if she would have answered that way a few years ago, she thought a moment and replied, "Yes, but not as quickly."

Her collaborator interjected, "Six years ago that question would never have been asked. Now certainly, we've heard allegations of treason."

Considering another project is premature, Connors explained. "We feel committed to getting this film to where the discussions we have after each screening are happening all over the country. Then we can feel like we can take a rest and look at another project."

Bingham concluded by looking beyond the particular message of "Meeting Resistance." "This film is clearly about Iraq; it is clearly shaped by the culture, religion and history of Iraq. But it is also a film about the human condition under occupation as seen through this historywe shouldn't be surprised."

Mike Ferner is a former Navy corpsman and author of "Inside the Red Zone: A Veteran For Peace Reports from Iraq". He can be reached at: mike.ferner@sbcglobal.net



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Woodrow
11-04-2007, 03:07 AM
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jouju
11-04-2007, 05:18 AM
i would love to have a copy of this movie

Could someone pls tell me how
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NoName55
11-04-2007, 01:18 PM
^^ news clip from ABC
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NoName55
11-04-2007, 01:29 PM
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This video clip from the upcoming, award winning film from Steve Connors
and Molly Bingham, Meeting Resistance, portrays a side of the Iraqi
insurgency President Bush doesn't want the world to see.

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KAding
11-04-2007, 02:07 PM
Excellent, a good first step. W have now determined that the resistance is not a bunch of murdering lunatics who just want to "take away our freedom". They truly believe they are fighting a good struggle, that they are doing the right thing.

And, in your opinion, is the same true for the US? Or are they truly the evil, mass murdering devils that just want to steal Iraqi oil? Using empathy is the only way to understand this conflict. Simply accusing the 'others' of being 'evil' or having bad intentions will teach you nothing and will not help in any way to resolve the situation. Sometimes people will just have to stop psychologizing or use conspiracy reasoning to explain the behavior of 'the others'. In reality you can actually learn most by simply accepting their statements at face value.

I'm eagerly awaiting an Arab documentary that similarly discuss the sentiments of those fighting the Iraqi 'resistance'!
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SATalha
11-04-2007, 02:26 PM
Its hard to have empathy, when the trust is just not there.

Muslims just do not trust the US guv? Is that so hard to understand? How can a nation work along side a occupier that they do not trust? And can there realy be any denial about the motives, how many times will you turn your telly and see that Texen waffling on about justice, democracy etc. The filth that comes out of his mouth is just not believble.
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KAding
11-04-2007, 02:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha
Its hard to have empathy, when the trust is just not there.

Muslims just do not trust the US guv? Is that so hard to understand? How can a nation work along side a occupier that they do not trust? And can there realy be any denial about the motives, how many times will you turn your telly and see that Texen waffling on about justice, democracy etc. The filth that comes out of his mouth is just not believble.
Yes, it is hard. And to many (especially conservative) Americans, believe the same of many Muslims. But demonizing the enemy (Bush, Bin Laden, US military, Iraqi resistance, whoever) does not paint an accurate picture IMHO. All have legitimate grievances, all think they are fighting a worthy cause!

This might well be a struggle of 'good' vs. 'evil'. But at the very least people should accept that both sides think they are the 'good' and the others the 'evil'. That is what this documentary appears to show (though I have not yet seen it) and I applaud it for that! Those that now use this documentary in their propaganda war ("you see, we are good after all, so they must be evil!") are IMHO completely missing the point!
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SATalha
11-04-2007, 05:38 PM
I truely do believe that Most of the US soldiers and generals believe that they are fighting a good cuase. But i think that the people on top (Washington) know and have a specific agenda. But your right this does help in the sense that it humanises both sides.
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Pygoscelis
11-05-2007, 08:45 AM
That I think is the root of the problem. Both of these groups are highly religious and highly prone to think in the black and white terms of good vs evil. Its hard to create mutual empathy when you have people spouting off about the Great Satan and the Axis of Evil.
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SATalha
11-05-2007, 12:34 PM
Your right, in both sides there people who genuinly think that they are fighting the good cause. But the question we need to ask is who has the power to do more damage? Who is doing the more Damage? Also we need to realise that yes there might be good-minded people in both sides, however there people that have other intentions. Now we have to mesure how far up the pecking board are these people? The further up they are, the more their agenda is being pushed. And iam sorry to say.....far to many in Washington.
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root
11-05-2007, 01:49 PM
I think the film does miss the vital ingredient.

Sunni v shia, and the lack of consideration given by the US to it's importance. It's such a touchy subject that it's not even permitted to be really discussed even on this forum.

Where is the logic in fighting to get the "occupiers" out, it's nonsense. The "occupiers" are desperate to get out to begin with, a period of peace and calm would get them out, so why not have a no violence insurgency and bingo, you give them every reason to pull out.

Instead they give them violence, because the puppet master in Iran and other Islamic countries don't want the US out, they want them bogged down for thier opwn political ends using Iraqis as the pawns in thier game of chess.

Wake up and smell the coffee if you think that video represents the real truth.
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islamirama
11-05-2007, 04:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Excellent, a good first step. W have now determined that the resistance is not a bunch of murdering lunatics who just want to "take away our freedom". They truly believe they are fighting a good struggle, that they are doing the right thing.

And, in your opinion, is the same true for the US? Or are they truly the evil, mass murdering devils that just want to steal Iraqi oil? Using empathy is the only way to understand this conflict. Simply accusing the 'others' of being 'evil' or having bad intentions will teach you nothing and will not help in any way to resolve the situation. Sometimes people will just have to stop psychologizing or use conspiracy reasoning to explain the behavior of 'the others'. In reality you can actually learn most by simply accepting their statements at face value.

I'm eagerly awaiting an Arab documentary that similarly discuss the sentiments of those fighting the Iraqi 'resistance'!
Israel is real beneficiary of Iraq oil
Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:31:00
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020201


The Zionist regime is profiting from Iraq's oil which is being exploited by US occupiers, an official from Iraqi oil ministry has said. Following the US and UK invasion of Iraq 57 months ago, the Zionist regime has been the real beneficiary and acquires 40 percent of its required oil from Iraq, he said on condition of anonymity.
The Iraqi official stressed that the crude oil from al-Romayla oilfield in southern Iraq, which is under US forces' control, is transferred through pipelines to Kuwaiti oil terminals and then redirected to Israel. Since the beginning of 2007, about 32 oil tankers, mostly Dutch, have carried oil from al-Omayya in northwest of the Persian Gulf to the Zionist regime, he noted.


The amount of oil volume which is exported from Iraq is above the announced figure of 2.5 million barrels a day, the official told the Fars News Agency.


There are 16 officials and tens of oil experts from Israel who hold US passports and are active in oil deals in Iraq, he concluded.
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wilberhum
11-05-2007, 09:48 PM
I think that report ^^ proves one thing.

That Iranian News sourse hats Israel. :giggling:

At least they prove there bias up front. :hiding:
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MadeenJibreel
11-05-2007, 09:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Excellent, a good first step. W have now determined that the resistance is not a bunch of murdering lunatics who just want to "take away our freedom". They truly believe they are fighting a good struggle, that they are doing the right thing.

And, in your opinion, is the same true for the US? Or are they truly the evil, mass murdering devils that just want to steal Iraqi oil?
Actually, beside the gold liquid american govt. want to continue playing the world cop and probably to try a few new weapons of mass murder on Iraqi people.
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