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caroline
12-06-2007, 06:43 AM
Hello - I am new here. I am a Christian and have been very drawn towards Islam... in strange and sometimes frightening ways. I am an american Christian and yet I have started wearing salwar kameez and jilbab. I found them online and ordered some and now I don't want to wear anything else. I stopped dying my hair and am only using henna and letting it grow out long. I can't bear to wear perfume with alcohol or to put chemicals on my hair or skin. During the day, when I am home alone I put on a headscarf and modest clothes and I feel so safe and comfortable. And yet I cannot leave my religion...

Several months ago I started researching Islam and the Muslim people. I did this because I have a special love in my heart for humanity and am especially drawn to people who are persecuted. I discovered what beautiful, compassionate people Muslims are. I am now an advocate for Palestinians, Lebanese, Iraqis etc... all Muslim people who are now being so horribly persecuted! I pray for Muslim people every day. Many nights I do not sleep... Many nights I cry and cry and cannot stop thinking about the children...

And so, I came here because I need to talk about what is happening to me. There is no way I can share this with my Christian friends.
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Hashim_507
12-06-2007, 06:49 AM
This must be blessing from Allah towards you. Do you sometimes wish to convert?
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caroline
12-06-2007, 07:06 AM
Very much so. I find myself doing things that do not come from Christianity. For example -- the last time I cut my hair I found myself praying, asking God/Allah to forgive me and promised that I was only trimming the ends of my hair in order to make it grow more naturally. I am not even sure if there is a command in Islam for women not to cut their hair -- I just "feel" things like that. I have such unexplainable longings. And I feel such a connection with the Palestinian people especially. I don't know why! I have purchased many books about Zionism and the crimes of Israel... books about the ethnic cleansing of Palestine... and more and more...

well, its hard to describe. But the answer to your question is yes. But I can't turn my back on God and Jesus. Nor can I turn from my husband, who is the most wonderful husband in the world. My whole life in entrenched in our marriage and our marriage is rooted in the principles of Jesus and our relationship with God and Jesus Christ.
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Hashim_507
12-06-2007, 07:15 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
Very much so. I find myself doing things that do not come from Christianity. For example -- the last time I cut my hair I found myself praying, asking God/Allah to forgive me and promised that I was only trimming the ends of my hair in order to make it grow more naturally. I am not even sure if there is a command in Islam for women not to cut their hair -- I just "feel" things like that. I have such unexplainable longings. And I feel such a connection with the Palestinian people especially. I don't know why! I have purchased many books about Zionism and the crimes of Israel... books about the ethnic cleansing of Palestine... and more and more...

well, its hard to describe. But the answer to your question is yes. But I can't turn my back on God and Jesus. Nor can I turn from my husband, who is the most wonderful husband in the world. My whole life in entrenched in our marriage and our marriage is rooted in the principles of Jesus and our relationship with God and Jesus Christ.

You are turning towards the true God which is Allah swt. Do you believe Allah is the only God and Mohamed is the messanger of Allah? from your heart?
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caroline
12-06-2007, 07:24 AM
I'm going to be very honest with you. I do believe that Allah is God, the god of Abraham and that God and Allah are simply two translations of the same name. Just like "Jesus" in English and "Jezi" in Haitian Creole are two words from different languages but they are the same name. I do believe God/Allah is the one God, the only creator of heaven and earth... there is none like him, none above him. When I pray in church I fight the urge to fall on my face before God -- sometimes I do this and people are kind to me because they know I love God so deeply.

I also love Jesus and believe he was the son of God and that he came to bring the message of peace to the world. I believe that the jews hated him because they were hard headed and did not love God sincerely. Jesus is my example, my light, my comfort and strength. God is my creator and my all.

I also believe that human beings are born perfect and that by being in the world they stray from their perfect relationship with God.

I don't think Christianity and Islam are mutually exclusive. I believe that is a lie cooked up mainly by the people in power who are trying to defame Islam.

the interesting thing is that all the persecution is only making Islam stronger. Have you noticed that?
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Ummu Sufyaan
12-06-2007, 07:29 AM
Hello! and welcome to the forums.
interesting story :sunny:
:sl:
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Hashim_507
12-06-2007, 07:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
I'm going to be very honest with you. I do believe that Allah is God, the god of Abraham and that God and Allah are simply two translations of the same name. Just like "Jesus" in English and "Jezi" in Haitian Creole are two words from different languages but they are the same name. I do believe God/Allah is the one God, the only creator of heaven and earth... there is none like him, none above him. When I pray in church I fight the urge to fall on my face before God -- sometimes I do this and people are kind to me because they know I love God so deeply.

I also love Jesus and believe he was the son of God and that he came to bring the message of peace to the world. I believe that the jews hated him because they were hard headed and did not love God sincerely. Jesus is my example, my light, my comfort and strength. God is my creator and my all.

I also believe that human beings are born perfect and that by being in the world they stray from their perfect relationship with God.

I don't think Christianity and Islam are mutually exclusive. I believe that is a lie cooked up mainly by the people in power who are trying to defame Islam.

the interesting thing is that all the persecution is only making Islam stronger. Have you noticed that?

What do you know about Jesus on Islamic view?
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caroline
12-06-2007, 07:49 AM
I know that Jesus is seen as a prophet but not the son of God and that Islam does not believe that he was crucified or that following him has any saving power.
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Hashim_507
12-06-2007, 07:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
I know that Jesus is seen as a prophet but not the son of God and that Islam does not believe that he was crucified or that following him has any saving power.

Allah have no association with anyone or anothing; he is all mighty and Jesus is just messanger. Do you read the quran before?
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Pk_#2
12-06-2007, 08:11 AM
Hiya Caroline, welcome to the forum,

If you have any questions, ask away

I can wish you nothing but the best for the future, May God guide you,

You seem like a genuinely nice girl, mashaAllah *smiles*

Keep posting and stay active and become part of the Li family!

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.
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caroline
12-06-2007, 05:26 PM
One thing I would say is that Jesus is very sacred to Christians. Saying that Jesus wasn't God's son or that he was nothing other than a messenger or that he wasn't any more special than any other prophet,etc.. well, for us, that's a lot like if we were to say that Mohammed wasn't anything special, just a messenger or that he wasn't necessarily to be followed to the letter.

Now, I am not trying to speak contentiousness - I have great respect for Muslim people and your way of life. I see it is very beautiful. One reason I love and respect you so, is because you have kept your modesty in the midst of a pornographic society. I also love and respect you because most every Muslim I have met has been so gracious, polite and gentle. I also love and respect you because you are so dedicated to prayer. There are many reasons to love and respect you and your way of life.

And so I do not want to be offensive. Just please understand that Jesus being the son of God is a very sacred belief to us. One of my earliest and most beloved memories is being on my grandmother's front porch in the summertime, smelling her climbing roses all around me and listening to her tell me the story of Jesus and sing her old songs. How could a person turn from something to basic and intrinsic to their entire belief system?

I feel I am being drawn, but I don't believe that any path that God would point me towards would ever require I turn away from my love for Jesus, who has given his all for me.

I'm being honest. And I hope you all realize I say everything I say with the utmost respect.
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Hashim_507
12-06-2007, 05:45 PM
In the Qur'an, stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (called 'Isa in Arabic) are abundant. The Qur'an recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, the miracles he performed by God's permission, and his life as a respected prophet of God. The Qur'an also repeatedly reminds that Jesus was a human prophet sent by God, not part of God Himself. For more detailed information about what Muslims believe about Jesus, please visit the FAQ index page. Below are some direct quotations from the Qur'an regarding his life and teachings.
"Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" (3:45-48).

"He [Jesus] said: 'I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!' Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is" (19:30-35).

"When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: 'Now I have come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute. Therefore, fear God and obey me. God, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him -- this is a Straight Way.' But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement. So woe to the wrongdoers, from the penalty of a Grievous Day!" (43:63-65)

"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).

"Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" (5:75).
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UmmSqueakster
12-06-2007, 07:11 PM
Welcome to the forum. Feel free to email me (I think as a newbie you can do that) if you'd like to chat with an american woman who has been there, done that so to speak.


In my own spiritual journey, I lost Jesus (as), then found him again in Islam. I deconverted from christianity after loosing faith in the validity of the bible. When I embraced Islam, I could once again honor Jesus (as) as a central figure in my faith.
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Woodrow
12-06-2007, 07:44 PM
Peace Caroline,
You will find that many of us on this forum are reverts from other religions. Some of our Muslim members were Ministers, Priests, Seminarians etc. You will often hear some of us say that it was the love of Jesus(as) that led us to Islam. I do not know of a single revert who feels he/she has given up Jesus(as) but you will us say is that we have now learned to love him properly and as a result our admiration, love and respect for him has actually grown.
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Kittygyal
12-06-2007, 08:57 PM
Howdy.

Im a revert from being a Catholic Christain!
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muslim1
12-06-2007, 10:07 PM
caroline
Hi Caroline.
Can you explain what the word (SON) means?

Im deep sure that you wont find a satisfactory meaning in ur heart.

You said that if you say that Jesus is just a prophet, it would be like we Say that Muhammad is just a prophet. Indeed we say so. Muhammad and Jesus are just prophets.

You should know that nothing can be like God or similar to God in anyway. God is above humanity. Nothing called half God half human like old Roman traditions!

I think that God will lead you near to Islam.

Another thing, you wont turn ur back to God or Jesus, but you will correct ur concept to them.

Im almost sure that u and ur husband will be muslims soon. (YES) and your husband. I dont know why im sure of that :):peace:

You will remember my words one day inshallah :)
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muslim1
12-06-2007, 10:10 PM
One more thing Sis, theres a very interesting and logical book called Amazing Quran by Dr. Gary Miller.

You will enjoy itttttttttttttt :peace::thankyou:
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caroline
12-07-2007, 01:22 AM
My husband is a Christian Minister.
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snakelegs
12-07-2007, 01:25 AM
wow! you do have a dilemma! i thought i had problems!
best of luck to you.
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muslim1
12-07-2007, 01:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
My husband is a Christian Minister.
Believe me or not, if he's sincere and a good man, it will be easier for him to be logically convinced.

Islam is the religion of mind and logic. All sincere people who study it, can do nothing but be convinced. its really irresistable for our minds.

I wish everything will be great for you. :thumbs_up
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caroline
12-07-2007, 02:12 AM
He's the most sincere human being I have ever encountered in my life. And he is very fair, very moral, devoted, loyal and 100% committed to GOD. I really do love my husband more than life itself, second only to God.
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muslim1
12-07-2007, 02:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
He's the most sincere human being I have ever encountered in my life. And he is very fair, very moral, devoted, loyal and 100% committed to GOD. I really do love my husband more than life itself, second only to God.
Thats why I told you that you both will be muslims and u will remember my words later. :peace:
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Abdul-Raouf
12-07-2007, 03:21 AM


Insha'allah (God Willing) you will soon accept Islam.




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Hashim_507
12-07-2007, 06:47 AM
Do you have any muslim friends or does your community have mosque there?
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caroline
12-08-2007, 04:27 AM
I don't have any Muslim friends other than one lady online who just (re)verted. :o) I don't know if there's a mosque here but I'll google it and see.

Oh, I bought my husband a dishdasha a few weeks ago and he wore it tonight when we went to dinner. He loves it and I don't think he'll ever want to wear anything else! It was so funny to watch him in it -- it was like he'd worn one his entire life. And he looked SO HANDSOME.
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12-08-2007, 06:06 PM
:salamext:

But I can't turn my back on God and Jesus.
You won't be if u revert to Islam. Come back to the right religion sister :)
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Ummu Sufyaan
12-09-2007, 10:14 AM
hi.
But I can't turn my back on God and Jesus.
you wont. we believe in god, and in jesus. :sunny:
:sl:
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aadil77
12-09-2007, 12:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
I don't have any Muslim friends other than one lady online who just (re)verted. :o) I don't know if there's a mosque here but I'll google it and see.

Oh, I bought my husband a dishdasha a few weeks ago and he wore it tonight when we went to dinner. He loves it and I don't think he'll ever want to wear anything else! It was so funny to watch him in it -- it was like he'd worn one his entire life. And he looked SO HANDSOME.
lol sis:D, by reading you posts I think you and your family are on your way to the right path, keep using reason and logic and you will find the truth:thumbs_up good luck
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UmmSqueakster
12-09-2007, 03:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
I don't have any Muslim friends other than one lady online who just (re)verted. :o) I don't know if there's a mosque here but I'll google it and see.
Lots of muslim ladies online here :okay:

Oh, I bought my husband a dishdasha a few weeks ago and he wore it tonight when we went to dinner. He loves it and I don't think he'll ever want to wear anything else! It was so funny to watch him in it -- it was like he'd worn one his entire life. And he looked SO HANDSOME.
Ah, you're so lucky! I'm married to an egyptian, and I've begged him to way galabiya (the egyptian robe), and he's like umm, no, lol. He didn't wear one in egypt, so he doesn't see why he should wear one here. I think I'm wearing him down though, and almost have him convinced to wear a saudi thobe. Those look quite smart.
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caroline
12-09-2007, 08:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Janaan
Lots of muslim ladies online here :okay:
But I can't private message yet because I haven't been a member long enough. But I can be reached at www.myspace.com/carolineislands


Ah, you're so lucky! I'm married to an egyptian, and I've begged him to way galabiya (the egyptian robe), and he's like umm, no, lol. He didn't wear one in egypt, so he doesn't see why he should wear one here. I think I'm wearing him down though, and almost have him convinced to wear a saudi thobe. Those look quite smart.
I didn't know if he would wear it when I bought it for him but his eyes sort of lit up when he saw it. It was so sweet to watch him the first time he wore it. There was a sort of humble grace about him and he moved and walked differently. I knew he felt at home in it. :)
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caroline
12-11-2007, 04:35 PM
Well I've make a couple of posts but they don't get approved... evidently. I can't private message either, so I guess I'll try to find another place to get my questions answered.
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UmmSqueakster
12-11-2007, 05:56 PM
If you posted in the "discover islam" section of the board, the posts are moderated, and sometimes it takes up to a day for things to appear. inshaAllah I'll see where you've posted and respond :)
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czgibson
12-11-2007, 06:12 PM
Greetings,

This is an intriguing story, and I wish you all the best, whatever decision you make. With all the insights you've been getting, I'm sure you'll make the choice that is best for you.

Welcome to the forum. :)

Peace
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edil
12-12-2007, 03:19 PM
Hello caroline. I think its so amazing how you have all these signs guiding you to the truth. Caroline I hope you know that we muslims love Jesus and we honor him just like we honor all the other prophets of God so by becoming a muslim your not neglecting your love but making it more strong.
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aljawaad
12-12-2007, 03:54 PM
:sl:
Welcome to the forum Sis.. May Allah guide your heart and that of your husband too.
Islam is a wonderful religion and its the one and only truth, so pray with all your heart, pray so that Allah show you the light of guidance, pray so that HE make the path that you are trying to follow easier...

InshaAllah you'll be among the Muslim community..

May you benefit from this forum.. Enjoy your stay..
:w::thumbs_up:D
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caroline
12-12-2007, 07:09 PM
One thing I find in Christianity is that I feel lonely. People go to church and they give you so much love during the service. I sing and people are so happy. Then my husband and I drive out of the parking lot and we never hear a word from anybody until the next service. We try to organize get togethers but everybody is always so busy. We have lots of friends and are popular in the community so it's not that we're offensive or unlikeable.

I find it quite lonely and often unfulfilling. To be honest. I've found this problem in almost every church I've gone to. From time to time you'll find a group that has an inhome Bible study once a week or so but it is rare. Usually people see each other in church and that's it.

Is it also like this in Islam? Maybe it's just the lifestyle in the US?
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caroline
12-12-2007, 07:59 PM
I have to confess something. When I was just a teenager I went to a dance. I was so young I didn't really know how to act and I was very introverted. I remember clearly getting out on the dance floor and feeling the music (I have been a musician all my life, from age 3). I began to turn pirouettes and sort of floated away spinning spinning spinning. I kind of woke up to find all the other young people laughing and pointing at me. I never did it again and never really understood what it meant or why I even did that. I remember my father in his last years (he was a very spiritual man) asking me if I had ever read or heard of a poet named Rumi. Now in my internet searching I find that Rumi is a poet of the Sufis and that they are the esoterics of Islam.

Could this be some sort of call that's been in me all my life? Isn't this weird?

This is all true! I am not making any of this up.
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aadil77
12-12-2007, 08:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
I have to confess something. When I was just a teenager I went to a dance. I was so young I didn't really know how to act and I was very introverted. I remember clearly getting out on the dance floor and feeling the music (I have been a musician all my life, from age 3). I began to turn pirouettes and sort of floated away spinning spinning spinning. I kind of woke up to find all the other young people laughing and pointing at me. I never did it again and never really understood what it meant or why I even did that. I remember my father in his last years (he was a very spiritual man) asking me if I had ever read or heard of a poet named Rumi. Now in my internet searching I find that Rumi is a poet of the Sufis and that they are the esoterics of Islam.

Could this be some sort of call that's been in me all my life? Isn't this weird?

This is all true! I am not making any of this up.
no offence sis, but I think you must have got dizzy and blacked out, sufi's claim they form a connection with god by spinning around, but i really doubt it, so I wouldn't take it too seriously
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aadil77
12-12-2007, 08:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
One thing I find in Christianity is that I feel lonely. People go to church and they give you so much love during the service. I sing and people are so happy. Then my husband and I drive out of the parking lot and we never hear a word from anybody until the next service. We try to organize get togethers but everybody is always so busy. We have lots of friends and are popular in the community so it's not that we're offensive or unlikeable.

I find it quite lonely and often unfulfilling. To be honest. I've found this problem in almost every church I've gone to. From time to time you'll find a group that has an inhome Bible study once a week or so but it is rare. Usually people see each other in church and that's it.

Is it also like this in Islam? Maybe it's just the lifestyle in the US?

no, in islam theres plenty of unity, you can go to your local mosque and attend prayers together 5 times a day, rather than once a week, after prayers there are usually informative bayans (lectures) about islam, this is how we continualy remeber god,

when I go i always meet people before and after prays , even after prayers there are some people who stay and recite the quran quietly in the mosque so its never gets lonley in mosques.
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caroline
12-13-2007, 01:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
no offence sis, but I think you must have got dizzy and blacked out, sufi's claim they form a connection with god by spinning around, but i really doubt it, so I wouldn't take it too seriously
So you think the Sufis are pretty much full of it?
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truemuslim
12-13-2007, 01:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
no offence sis, but I think you must have got dizzy and blacked out, sufi's claim they form a connection with god by spinning around, but i really doubt it, so I wouldn't take it too seriously

lol yea..and are the sufis the people that pray with a rock in front of them? (to allah)
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Woodrow
12-13-2007, 01:45 AM
Reminder: Sectarian are not to be discussed in this secton. See The sects and divisions section for any infomation.

There is only one Islam. There are no adjectatives in front of Muslim.
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truemuslim
12-13-2007, 01:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Reminder: Sectarian are not to be discussed in this secton. See The sects and divisions section for any infomation.

There is only one Islam. There are no adjectatives in front of Muslim.

yes i know, im not one of them, they like make up a whole new religion and call it islam
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Umm Hurairah
12-13-2007, 02:11 AM
Welcome.

format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
Is it also like this in Islam? Maybe it's just the lifestyle in the US?
No it isn't Alhamdulillah. Almost every Masjid/Mosque I've been to has people reading/reciting the Quran, praying, or reading other Islamic books. *-*

Most of my closest Muslim friends are the ones I met at the Masjid/Mosque.


Do you have a Masjid/Mosque near where you live? You should go to it and ask people about Islam and Jesus.

May Allah guide you and your family. Ameen Thuma Ameen!
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caroline
12-14-2007, 12:08 AM
True Muslim, thank you for the private message. It meant a lot to me. But I can't reply as I am still a limited member.

I guess I should write a whole bunch of posts so I can become a full member and write you back.

:)
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truemuslim
12-14-2007, 12:20 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by caroline
True Muslim, thank you for the private message. It meant a lot to me. But I can't reply as I am still a limited member.

I guess I should write a whole bunch of posts so I can become a full member and write you back.

:)
OOH its okay. thats what i did...haha.
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caroline
12-16-2007, 05:31 AM
Are you a convert?
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