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BleroX
12-10-2007, 08:24 PM
Assalamu Alaykum.
You certainly know thsi verse:
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)"
As we know all the people actually belong to one specie: Homo Sapiens.
So Is Allah talking to us as Homo Sapiens ? We might suppose so because we are a groupe and when Allah says:" O Manking ", he also refers to a groupe.
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Dr.Trax
12-10-2007, 08:57 PM
Do you belive ine Evolution?
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Whatsthepoint
12-10-2007, 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by BleroX
Assalamu Alaykum.
You certainly know thsi verse:
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)"
As we know all the people actually belong to one specie: Homo Sapiens.
So Is Allah talking to us as Homo Sapiens ? We might suppose so because we are a groupe and when Allah says:" O Manking ", he also refers to a groupe.
Muhammad was a wise man who thought of every man, no matter the colour of their skin, as equal.
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BleroX
12-11-2007, 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Dr.Trax
Do you belive ine Evolution?
I am actually not sure.

When Allah says he created things, He doesn't tell us too much about how he did it.
Evolution only explains HOW it did happen.

Many Muslims think the Universe has evolved for 13.7 Billion years. And it is said in the Quran that Allah created the universe.
Any contradiction ? Absolutely not. The evolution is just the "HOW".
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czgibson
12-11-2007, 06:50 PM
Greetings BleroX,

It seems you agree with this article, posted by the much respected Ansar Al-'Adl (where is he these days? Too busy for LI?):

Biological Evolution - An Islamic Perspective

Peace

P.S. Come back, Ansar! :)
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barney
12-11-2007, 06:53 PM
Did he talk seperatly to Homo rhodesiensis or Homo ergaster?
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Whatsthepoint
12-11-2007, 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by BleroX
Many Muslims think the Universe has evolved for 13.7 Billion years. And it is said in the Quran that Allah created the universe.
Any contradiction ? Absolutely not. The evolution is just the "HOW".
The Quran supposedly says the universe is 18 billion years old.
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- Qatada -
12-11-2007, 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
The Quran supposedly says the universe is 18 billion years old.

Source please?
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barney
12-11-2007, 09:21 PM
The Quran dosnt say that. Thats what some "Scholar" has decided it means.
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Whatsthepoint
12-11-2007, 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by - Qatada -
Source please?
It can b found on dozens of islamic sites. Just google quran, universe, 18, billion...
I have had some bad experience with posting links, so I'll simply quote it:

Allah The Allmighty says :

( 22-47 ) < And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number.>

It's mean that a Day by Allah is 1000 years in our reckoning in relation with the revolution of the Moon around the Earth ( it is the Hegire year) or the revolution of the Earth around the Sun ( Gregorian year).

And Allah says :

[70.4] To Him ascend the Angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

In this verse of the Sura 'The way of Ascent' ( it is the Way which take the Angels from the Earth to the Heaven after having excecuted the duties necessary for the Life of our Planet and the Kosmos. We can note that Allah doesn't say "fifty thousand years of what you number" because the day in question in this verse is a time measure of a Gods day ( which each day is 1000 years in our reckoning ) and this day is the age of the Universe which all events of our life from heaven to earth ascend to Him.

Let's convert these God's Years in our norms :

50,000 * 365.2422 (days in human year) = 18,262,110 Allah's Days.

One Day by Allah is corresponding 1000 years of our reckoning, therefore the Age of the Universe is :

18,262,110 * 1,000 = 18,262,110,000 years, that's to say that the age of the Universe is around 18, 1/4 Billions years. This number correspond exactly of the above article . After more than 14 centuries, Science and particularly Professor Jean-Claude Batelere of the "College de France" states that it is now a certitude that the Universe is 18 billions years old .

Note that others Secrets are hidden in these two verses.

Wa salam.
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barney
12-11-2007, 09:41 PM
[9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

So thats 12 months really then at 1000 years a day = 365,000 years old.

Thats how long the universe has been around, and the earth is the same age as the universe. :ooh:

So Dinosaurs are really a conspiracy, and science is totally wrong.
You cant blame 'em though. Who would have thought that at some point in the future humans would be able to measure this kind of stuff.
Religion eh?
Nice whilst it lasted.

(You have to love the last bit where for lack of anything else to say you get a repetition of call for fighting!)
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- Qatada -
12-13-2007, 04:02 PM
Hi WhatsthePoint, bro Ansars discussed that issue already here;

http://www.islamicboard.com/5940-post5.html




Peace.
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