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simple correction:
Jews and Muslims do not believe that he was descended from David. Christians on the other hand, believe he was.
as Jewish descent is traced through their fathers,then no way for the virgin-born Jesus(pbuh) to be the seed of David.....
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Actually, for Jesus/Isa,Alaihe Salaam, to be the Messiah, he HAD to descended from King David/Dawuud/Alaihe Salaam; hence MARY/Mariam, Alaihe Salaam's family tree is also in the NT.
actually Jewish descent is traced through their mothers for purposes of determining whether or not one is a Jew.
the geneology in Luke is Mary's lineage, NOT Joseph's, it's a little complicated:
Saint Luke has quite a different account of the genealogy of Jesus Christ. He wrote his Gospel to address the Gentiles who were not under the Mosaic Law, and for the most part were unfamiliar with it. He was also a physician, (Col 4:14). His interest, no doubt, was not in the legal aspect of the Genealogy of Jesus Christ, but of the human or natural bloodline, by depicting Jesus as the "Son of Man". Luke's Genealogy begins with Jesus Christ and goes backward in time, just the opposite of Matthew who started back and came forward. Luke's genealogy follows the custom of Private Records as explained above. Notice in Luke 3:23-38, that Luke's genealogy does go from Jesus Christ, through David, and back to Judah, continuing all the way to Adam, and then to GOD. By doing this he shows a tie between the "New Adam" (1Cor 15:45) and the first Adam.
However, Luke shows the descendant of David to be Nathan (31), and not Solomon, as does Matthew. This alludes to the possibility that Luke's genealogy is for a different person other than Joseph. Let us have a closer look at verse 23 with three different Bibles.
"And Jesus Himself, when He began His work, was about thirty years of age, -being as was supposed- the Son of Joseph,
the Son of Heli, the Son of Matthat."
Challoner-Rheims-Confraternity
"When Jesus began His ministry he was about thirty years of age. He was the Son, as was thought, of Joseph,
the son of Heli, the son of Matthat..."
New American Bible
"And Jesus Himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the Son of Joseph, which was
the Son of Heli, which was the son of Matthat..."
King James
This verse at first reading might seem to say that we have something amiss:
1. This verse appears to say that the father of Joseph is Heli, yet in Matthew we just saw that it was Jacob. How can Joseph have two fathers?
In many places in Holy Scripture we must revert to the underlying Greek text in order to fully understand the verse. The Greek word used for "as was supposed, or, as was thought" is "Nomizo", which means:
1. To hold by custom or usage.
2. To follow by custom or usage.
3. It is the custom.
4. It is the received usage.
5. To deem, to think, to suppose.
This matter can be made clearer by interpreting the verse as:
"When Jesus began His ministry he was about thirty years of age.
He was the Son (so it was thought, of Joseph) of Heli."
The underlying Greek text supports this interpretation as, "...Joseph son of Heli", in the English translation, simply reads, "...Joseph of Eli". The word 'son' before Heli, is not in the Greek text.
So in order to trace the bloodline of Jesus through Heli, we would first have to go through Mary, His mother. This shows that Heli would be the blood father of Mary, and the father in law of Joseph. Even though the name of Mary is not listed, in order to comply with Jewish custom, it is certainly implied.
Matthew 1:15, shows that Matthan is the father of Jacob, and Luke 3:23-24, show that Matthat was the father of Heli. It is not known if Matthan and Matthat are the same person. If they are the same person, that would indicate that Jacob and Heli could be brothers if they had the same mother, or half brothers if they had different mothers, or one of them could have even been adopted from the tribe of Judah. Julius Africanus (160-240) wrote in his Epistle to Aristides that Jacob and Heli were half brothers. The Bible makes no distinction between genetic birth and adoption. See 2Sam 6:23, where Michol the daughter of Saul and the wife of David (1Sam 18:27) had no children. Yet in 2Sam 21:8, it says Michol had five sons. In reality, they were adopted sons of Merob.
Jacob was the genetic father of Joseph. Heli, the father of Mary, was Joseph's father in law, his legal father.
source:
http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/geneal.htm
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