Who Oppresses Women

[syed saboor]

Now, I decided I am going to be nicer. So to start off with, I would like discuss how the Zionist-controlled media and degenerate startlets like Irshad Manji talk about Islam's violence against women. I find hypocritical that they attack Islam for being anti-woman, when the record of Judeo-Chrisitianity is far worse. For example, every time Chrisitians attack Islam, they attack Islam because its supposed mistreatment of women, which is rather odd, given the fact that Judeo-Chrisitianity has treated women far worse than Islam ever has. For centuries, women in Christian Europe were secluded and oppressed.
The Bible is replete with anti-woman passages, that encourage the rape of virgins and suppression of women in the churches.

Still another example of misogyny is modern-day Hinduism. In India, my home country, women are oppressed all the time. For thousands of years, women were burned alive on the funeral pyre of their husbands (a practice called Sati). Also, every year in India, scores of women are literally burned alive because they cannot pay their dowry. Yet the politically-correct media says nothing of these gross injustices committed against women. It begs the question as to why?

That is my point. People in the media as well as in Hollywood make a big raucous about how women are treated in the Islamic world. They complain about how Muslim men behave with their women. They make a big issue about of how rich Saudis go to France, India, Thailand, and host of other places to have sex with prostitutes, but they say nothing of humilating treatment of women in the West and in Asia. By the way, many of the men who go to Thailand to have immoral fun are also White Americans and Europeans, but the media doesn't make an issue out of that. I said my peace,
I just wanted to know what all of you intelligent people out there--and you are intelligent I hope--think about the food for thought I have posed to you.

[wilberhum]

Zionist-controlled media

How does someone discuss reality with someone that doesn't know what reality is?

You seem to confuse conspiracy theories with reality.

How about supplying some supporting evidence to your biased statements?

[syed saboor]

You listen to what I have to say. Look around. When I use the term Zionist-
controlled media, this is an undeniable fact for anybody who studies who controls the major media outlets in the United States. Is it any coincidence
that Fox News is run by Rupert Murdoch, an Australian billionaire Jew, who just happens to be ardent Zionist. Where is the proof? There you have it, or are just plain blind. Murdoch also owns the Weekly Standard, whose editor-and-chief is the self-made neocon William Kristol. Kristol and his magazine were major players in encouraging the Bush administration to fight these illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I hope that is proof enough for you, but if you want more, here you have it.
MTV (Music Television) was founded by Summer Redstone (real name Murray
Rothstein), a Jew. No big coincidence. MTV is the major influence on young people all over the world, and encourages immoral behavior and illicit sex. Is that proof enough for? Maybe not. Here you go then, Newsweek, Time, and U.S. News and World Report all owned by Zionist Jews. These publications are a major part of the mainstream media and feed the gullible American their views about the Middle East and the rest of the world. Was that proof enough for you? Okay, if it wasn't, here you have it. Did you know that New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, and host other major newspapers all across the country are owned by prominent Jews. The same Jews who advertise war against the Islamic world. Also, National Review has many prominent neocon Jew writers, like David Frum. Lastly, I would like to mention the fact that the owner of Walt Disney Company is Michael Eisner, another Jew. And we have David Geffen, a Queer Jew, who heads Geffen records, a major music producer.
My friend, if you want more proof, then visit the following website and check out their "Who Rules America" box: www.natall.com. Please, don't allow yourself to be brainwashed by the Jews into thinking they don't control the media, because that is their main goal.

[wilberhum]

You listen to what I have to say. Look around. When I use the term Zionist-
controlled media, this is an undeniable fact for anybody who studies who controls the major media outlets in the United States. Is it any coincidence
that Fox News is run by Rupert Murdoch, an Australian billionaire Jew, who just happens to be ardent Zionist. Where is the proof? There you have it, or are just plain blind. Murdoch also owns the Weekly Standard, whose editor-and-chief is the self-made neocon William Kristol. Kristol and his magazine were major players in encouraging the Bush administration to fight these illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I hope that is proof enough for you, but if you want more, here you have it.
MTV (Music Television) was founded by Summer Redstone (real name Murray
Rothstein), a Jew. No big coincidence. MTV is the major influence on young people all over the world, and encourages immoral behavior and illicit sex. Is that proof enough for? Maybe not. Here you go then, Newsweek, Time, and U.S. News and World Report all owned by Zionist Jews. These publications are a major part of the mainstream media and feed the gullible American their views about the Middle East and the rest of the world. Was that proof enough for you? Okay, if it wasn't, here you have it. Did you know that New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, and host other major newspapers all across the country are owned by prominent Jews. The same Jews who advertise war against the Islamic world. Also, National Review has many prominent neocon Jew writers, like David Frum. Lastly, I would like to mention the fact that the owner of Walt Disney Company is Michael Eisner, another Jew. And we have David Geffen, a Queer Jew, who heads Geffen records, a major music producer.
My friend, if you want more proof, then visit the following website and check out their "Who Rules America" box: www.natall.com. Please, don't allow yourself to be brainwashed by the Jews into thinking they don't control the media, because that is their main goal.

Does that Zionist controlled news include Dawn and Al Jazeera?
You seem to confuse conspiracy theories with reality.

undeniable

Only to those who have no unbiased information.
But of course you conceder MTV a news source. Da:giggling:

if you want more proof, then visit the following website

Can I direct you to the "Prophet of Doom" to get the facts on Islam?
Hate sites are a dime a dozen.
You need to pull your head out of the sand and see reality.

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[czgibson]

Greetings,

My friend, if you want more proof, then visit the following website and check out their "Who Rules America" box: www.natall.com. Please, don't allow yourself to be brainwashed by the Jews into thinking they don't control the media, because that is their main goal.

Do you think that linking to a white supremacist site will make your theories more popular?

If this is you trying to be nice, to be honest I'm not sure how much longer you'll manage to stay on this forum.

Peace

[syed saboor]

First of all you people rational or just plain stupid. MTV has become its own news source in way, especially for young people. In addition Al Jazeera does not brainwash the American people. Yes, it is major news outlet in the Middle East and has become popular among American audiences for news coverage about the Middle East, but it Murdoch's Fox News that did much to convince the American public that war against the Islamic world was necessary to protect American interests.

[Belief_is_Power]

Syed saboor is right about the media being controlled by pro israeli Billionaires. As for other religions oppressing women, he is also right on that too. Hinduism especially. There are 180 million people in the lowest of the caste system who are treated like dog doo and you dont see Bill O'rielly or Robert Spencer trashing that religion. OOOhh how cruel of a world we live in.

[wilberhum]

Syed saboor is right about the media being controlled by pro israeli Billionaires. As for other religions oppressing women, he is also right on that too. Hinduism especially. There are 180 million people in the lowest of the caste system who are treated like dog doo and you dont see Bill O'rielly or Robert Spencer trashing that religion. OOOhh how cruel of a world we live in.

After you take off your tinfoil head gear that protects you from the zulbza rays please provide an example.

[Belief_is_Power]

well the tin foil hat is hard to take off because it took me a long time to make such a hat, but if you wanna start name calling, I'm game....................

[Belief_is_Power]

this could get real nasty my friend, but hey you started it.

[caroline]

List of media owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation Media Empire:

Filmed Entertainment - News Corporation
20th Century Fox
20th Century Fox Espanol
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
20th Century Fox International
20th Century Fox Television
Blue Sky Studios
Fox Searchlight Pictures
Fox Studios Australia
Fox Studios LA
Fox Studios Baja
Fox Television Studios

Television - News Corporation
Fox Broadcasting Company
Fox Sports Australia
Fox Television Stations
FOXTEL
STAR

Cable Television owned by News Corporation
Fox Movie Channel
Fox News Channel
Fox Sports Digital
Fox Sports Enterprises
Fox Sports Espanol
Fox Sports Net
Fox Sports World
FUEL
FX
National Geographic Channel
SPEED Channel
Stats, Inc

Direct Broadcast & Satellite Television - News Corporation
BskyB
DIRECTV
FOXTEL
Sky Italia

Magazines - News Corporation
Inside Out
Donna Hay
News America Marketing
Smart Source
The Weekly Standard
Gemstar

Newspapers - News Corporation
Australasian region Newspapers:
Daily Telegraph
Fiji Times
Gold Coast Bulletin
Herald Sun
Newsphotos
Newspix
Newstext
NT News
Post Courier
Sunday Herald Sun
Sunday Mail
Sunday Tasmanian
Sunday Territorian
Sunday Times
The Advertiser
The Australian
The Courier Mail
The Mercury
The Sunday Mail
The Sunday Telegraph
Weekly Times
United Kingdom region Newspapers:
News International
News of the World
The Sun
The Sunday Times
The Times
Times Education Supplement
Times Higher Education Supplement
Times Literary Supplement
TSL Education
United States region Newspapers:
New York Post

Books - News Corporation
Harper Collins Publishers
- Australia
- Canada
- Childrens Books
- United States
- United Kingdom
Regan Books
Zondervan

Other Investments - News Corporation
MySpace.com Profile
Festival Records
Mushroom Records
National Rugby League - Australia
News Interactive
News Outdoor
Nursery World

[wilberhum]

well the tin foil hat is hard to take off because it took me a long time to make such a hat, but if you wanna start name calling, I'm game....................

As you, I can make any claim I want. I can say the moon is made of green cheese or Seattle is the center of world power. :D

But I noticed that you neglected to give an example. :?

Not MTV or Youtube, a real news source to back up your statement. :skeleton:

[caroline]

That's just a partial list

[caroline]

"The Israel Lobby" Mearshiemer and Walt, for starters.

There is a wealth of information out there, even though a lot of it gets killed or censored. But, one of the first things I read in the Quran said that there are people who will not hear the truth no matter how much proof you put in front of them.

[Belief_is_Power]

OOOOhhhhh wilberhum when will you learn....... yes I guess there is no pro israeli stronghold on the American media. Yes I guess we can now all hold hands around the world and sing kumbaya. Yep I am just some nut who knows nothing. All hail wilberhum......... the defiant dhimmi from seattle. Good job pal.

Now that we got that out of the way, hummmmm maybe we didn't invade iraq for OIL!!!!!!! maybe it was for WMD's. yeah hey wilberhum, dude wake up man!!!!! beneath your sugar coated life, there is another world, THE REAL WORLD!!! and some so called "conspiracy theories" just might be true. But then again I probably don't know anything right????

[wilberhum]

List of media owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation Media Empire:

Filmed Entertainment - News Corporation
20th Century Fox
20th Century Fox Espanol
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
20th Century Fox International
20th Century Fox Television
Blue Sky Studios
Fox Searchlight Pictures
Fox Studios Australia
Fox Studios LA
Fox Studios Baja
Fox Television Studios

Television - News Corporation
Fox Broadcasting Company
Fox Sports Australia
Fox Television Stations
FOXTEL
STAR

Cable Television owned by News Corporation
Fox Movie Channel
Fox News Channel
Fox Sports Digital
Fox Sports Enterprises
Fox Sports Espanol
Fox Sports Net
Fox Sports World
FUEL
FX
National Geographic Channel
SPEED Channel
Stats, Inc

Direct Broadcast & Satellite Television - News Corporation
BskyB
DIRECTV
FOXTEL
Sky Italia

Magazines - News Corporation
Inside Out
Donna Hay
News America Marketing
Smart Source
The Weekly Standard
Gemstar

Newspapers - News Corporation
Australasian region Newspapers:
Daily Telegraph
Fiji Times
Gold Coast Bulletin
Herald Sun
Newsphotos
Newspix
Newstext
NT News
Post Courier
Sunday Herald Sun
Sunday Mail
Sunday Tasmanian
Sunday Territorian
Sunday Times
The Advertiser
The Australian
The Courier Mail
The Mercury
The Sunday Mail
The Sunday Telegraph
Weekly Times
United Kingdom region Newspapers:
News International
News of the World
The Sun
The Sunday Times
The Times
Times Education Supplement
Times Higher Education Supplement
Times Literary Supplement
TSL Education
United States region Newspapers:
New York Post

Books - News Corporation
Harper Collins Publishers
- Australia
- Canada
- Childrens Books
- United States
- United Kingdom
Regan Books
Zondervan

Other Investments - News Corporation
MySpace.com Profile
Festival Records
Mushroom Records
National Rugby League - Australia
News Interactive
News Outdoor
Nursery World

Wow I'm impressed beyond words. :giggling::giggling:

I noticed that the list did not include include Dawn and Al Jazeera. :skeleton:

But most of all you give no example of bias.

So the bias is obvious, it is you. :(

You are so bigoted that you assume all others are bigoted and no Jew would give an honest recount of the news.

You wast to see bias, look in the mirror.

[caroline]

wilberhum standing in front of Niagra Falls:

"Water? How can you say such a stupid thing as 'water'?! Where is your PROOF?"

[syed saboor]

Wilberhum, stop denying. You know Jews control our mass media. Why do you think they spend so much money trying suppress people's freedom of speech. Also, do you ever notice how they use the word anti-semite around. It was interesting, back in the 1980's, the Japanese were bashed and accused of buying up America, but no problems with that bigotry. Only when accuse these weasel Jews of trying to control the media for aultere motives,
does one get smeared and ridiculed. Also, do your research more thoroughly. Many prominent Jews have actually written books attacking their fellow Jews for trying to use the media to brainwash people as well as whip up hysteria for war. There are numerous anti-Zionist voices among the Jewish people who have done this. For example, one has Israel Shahak (deceased), Norman G. Finkelstein, Benjamin Freedman, Noam Chomsky, Michael Hoffman II, Alfred M. Lielenthal, and many others. You unfortunately try to deny reality yourself my dear Wilberhum, but the reality is clearly evident. You only have to get your head out of the gutter and stop watching Jewish Hollywood propaganda,
and then perhaps you will see eye to eye with everything I am saying. When the U.S.S. Maine was blown up, the American government blamed Spain. Now, decades later, it turns out the American government blew up the ship, just so they could engineer a war with Spain. It was conspiricy after all. In the same manner of speaking, you keep attacking this conspiricy of Jews trying to comandeer the world; however, is it any coincidence that most of Bush's advisors are neocon Jews like, Douglas Feith, Eliot Abrams, Richard Perle, and list goes on and on and on.Is it any coincidence that Jews only make 2.5 percent of the population, yet they have a huge power structure in the United States. If you don't believe, read "Jewish Power in America."

[wilberhum]

wilberhum standing in front of Niagra Falls:

"Water? How can you say such a stupid thing as 'water'?! Where is your PROOF?"

Gee is that your example?

What a stupid statement. How about moving away from the third grade stuff and give me an example.

It is easy to produce childish insults, how about producing some evidence to your baseless statements?

[wilberhum]

Wilberhum, stop denying. You know Jews control our mass media. Why do you think they spend so much money trying suppress people's freedom of speech. Also, do you ever notice how they use the word anti-semite around. It was interesting, back in the 1980's, the Japanese were bashed and accused of buying up America, but no problems with that bigotry. Only when accuse these weasel Jews of trying to control the media for aultere motives,
does one get smeared and ridiculed. Also, do your research more thoroughly. Many prominent Jews have actually written books attacking their fellow Jews for trying to use the media to brainwash people as well as whip up hysteria for war. There are numerous anti-Zionist voices among the Jewish people who have done this. For example, one has Israel Shahak (deceased), Norman G. Finkelstein, Benjamin Freedman, Noam Chomsky, Michael Hoffman II, Alfred M. Lielenthal, and many others. You unfortunately try to deny reality yourself my dear Wilberhum, but the reality is clearly evident. You only have to get your head out of the gutter and stop watching Jewish Hollywood propaganda,
and then perhaps you will see eye to eye with everything I am saying. When the U.S.S. Maine was blown up, the American government blamed Spain. Now, decades later, it turns out the American government blew up the ship, just so they could engineer a war with Spain. It was conspiricy after all. In the same manner of speaking, you keep attacking this conspiricy of Jews trying to comandeer the world; however, is it any coincidence that most of Bush's advisors are neocon Jews like, Douglas Feith, Eliot Abrams, Richard Perle, and list goes on and on and on.Is it any coincidence that Jews only make 2.5 percent of the population, yet they have a huge power structure in the United States. If you don't believe, read "Jewish Power in America."

Ya the moon is green cheese.

Where is something besides your base less statements?

[syed saboor]

Now, you are really asking for it. What is your problem. It is one thing, if a certain group people have alot of power. Many Italian-Americans have tremendous influence and clout in New York City, because there are alot of Italian-Americans there. However, in the case of Jews, they have power and alot of it. Finkelstein, in his book, "The Holocaust Industry," demonstrates that above all else. Yet they base their power on the principle that everybody else is goyyim (cattle). According to this view, non-Jews are fit to be exploited and manipulated. It says it in their Talmud.

Now, looking at things from that perspective, it comes down to the fact that you are exactly part of that goyyim they are exploiting, which is why you seem to deny the fact that these people have such a huge grip over the American media. I keep on telling you, but you are the one who is playing the fool by not accepting this fact of life. Perhaps, if you were a Palestinian, and maybe you are or not, I don't know; you would probably have different opinion.

I watch alot of left-wing television. Although they don't use the word Jew, they certainly make it clear that the media in the West, particularly in the United States, has a pro-Israeli bias. We've already told you that even Jews expose their own. I just don't understand why you cannot come to the truth.

[wilberhum]

Now, you are really asking for it. What is your problem. .................

Da Da DA Where is the example?

You go on and on and on yet have no example.

Both you an caroline are just bigots who lack the intellect to see through the conspiracy theories.

I'm done with this third grade debate.

When you provide an example, we can have an intelligent exchange.

[guyabano]

<...> to be brainwashed <...>

Mods, can we declare this 'THE MOST USED WORDS FOR 2007' ? :D

[Whatsthepoint]

By today's western (christian) standards Islam does oppress women. It imposes gender roles which result in many inequalities, it forces the hijab, sometimes even the burqa. It seems to me that it sometimes undermines women and underestimates their capabilities.
It gives them some liberties though that western women don't have.

[Mysterious Uk]

it forces the hijab, sometimes even the burqa.

So what? What's the big deal with wearing a hijjab/burqa? I wear it and i don't feel oppressed or anything. There are reasons for it. :muslimah:

[Whatsthepoint]

So what? What's the big deal with wearing a hijjab/burqa? I wear it and i don't feel oppressed or anything. There are reasons for it. :muslimah:

It's not oppressive when a woman can chose to wear it. when it's obligatory, it's oppressive.

[caroline]

Gee is that your example?

What a stupid statement. How about moving away from the third grade stuff and give me an example.

It is easy to produce childish insults, how about producing some evidence to your baseless statements?

I give you a list as long as your arm flatly proving an undeniable media monopoly and you call me stupid and demand evidence as though you hadn't been given any.

Then you call ME childish.

:giggling:

[wilberhum]

I give you a list as long as your arm flatly proving an undeniable media monopoly and you call me stupid and demand evidence as though you hadn't been given any.

Then you call ME childish.

:giggling:

You only proved that you are bias.

You have never provided an evidence of misuse of the news.

[caroline]

On this website you can click on the links and see the actual internal FOX news memos TELLING the reporters WHAT TO SAY and what slant to put on the news:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200407140002


Here is the complete transcript of the exposee "Outfoxed, Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism":
http://www.outfoxed.org/docs/outfoxed_transcript.pdf

Here is a link to a study done by the Center of American Progress on FOX news bias:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...7/b117308.html

Here is the page from FAIRNESS AND ACCURACY IN REPORTING covering Murdoch and Fox news:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=19&media_outlet_id=2

Here's a link that proves Murdoch ADMITTED he, through his media, deliberately tried to sway the public in support of the Iraq War:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...35390#17035390

Books:
Manufacturing Consent, or Media Control by Noam Chomsky
The Israel Lobby, Mearshiemer and Walt

just ask and I'll get you more...

"Ownership induced political bias, epitomized by Rupert Murdoch who has frequently been accused of interfering in editorial decision making (McChesny 2004) constitues a relatively obvious and straighforward challenge to the objectivity norm." The Future of Journalism in the Advanced Democracies, Peter J. Anderson and Geoff Ward.

An article in The Guardian:

TV watchdog checks claims of bias on Murdoch channel

* Matt Wells
*
o Matt Wells, media correspondent
o The Guardian,
o Thursday May 8 2003

The Murdoch-owned Fox News Channel, whose determinedly patriotic stance during the Iraq conflict brought it critical notoriety but commercial success, is under investigation by television regulators in Britain for alleged bias.

The independent television commission is investigating nine complaints by viewers of the channel, broadcast on Sky Digital satellite, also controlled by Rupert Murdoch.

If the network is found to have breached the ITC's "due impartiality" rules, it could be forced out.

Julian Petley, chairman of the Campaign for Press and Broadcasting Freedom, called on the ITC to act against Fox News: "I'm not in favour of censorship, but Murdoch would like to do with British television news what he has done with newspapers, which is to force people to compete on his own terms.

From here on out, do your own homework.

[muslim1]

You only proved that you are bias.

You have never provided an evidence of misuse of the news.

You dont really want a proof!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you need a proof, you would have known that media portray Israelis -who shell unarmed poor people in so called state of palestine with F16 fighters and with heavy bombs- as victims, and those who are called palestinians as terrorists cuz they defend their families against jewish army.

U still dont want any proof? :raging:

[caroline]

"Do not feed the trolls" redirects here. For the Wikipedia essay, see Wikipedia:What is a troll?.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting other users into responding emotionally[1].[2] The rise of the expression "concern troll" reflects an expanded definition of troll as someone whose posts have the primary goal of disrupting or de-railing an internet community. "Troll" is also used in a broader pejorative sense to question the good faith of any Internet user who has annoyed the person using the term.

[muslim1]

"Do not feed the trolls" redirects here. For the Wikipedia essay, see Wikipedia:What is a troll?.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting other users into responding emotionally[1].[2] The rise of the expression "concern troll" reflects an expanded definition of troll as someone whose posts have the primary goal of disrupting or de-railing an internet community. "Troll" is also used in a broader pejorative sense to question the good faith of any Internet user who has annoyed the person using the term.

Caroline,
What a sweet definition, Wikipedia took it from the tip of my tongue ;D:giggling: You can thank Wikipedia for me thou :hmm::mmokay::D

[wilberhum]

You dont really want a proof!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you need a proof, you would have known that media portray Israelis -who shell unarmed poor people in so called state of palestine with F16 fighters and with heavy bombs- as victims, and those who are called palestinians as terrorists cuz they defend their families against jewish army.

U still dont want any proof? :raging:

I have nothing to prove. I haven't made any bigoted claims.

[جوري]

On this website you can click on the links and see the actual internal FOX news memos TELLING the reporters WHAT TO SAY and what slant to put on the news:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200407140002


Here is the complete transcript of the exposee "Outfoxed, Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism":
http://www.outfoxed.org/docs/outfoxed_transcript.pdf

Here is a link to a study done by the Center of American Progress on FOX news bias:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...7/b117308.html
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this is really an excellent post with loads of links, it is part of the reason I hardly watch corporate media anymore, short of the five mins I sign on to AOL and have it projected at me.. and it doesn't even have to be political... I once watched a 20/20 segment on doctors/pharmacists, the whole thing was just a ridiculous joke, I wonered why some intern or technician on board didn't hop on the net to do some superficial research so that the whole thing wouldn't be a complete farce?..

a shame herds of people buy it...
It was once said of religion, that it is the opium of the people... now a days I just believe it to be the media, it is more of a cocaine, amphetamines type drug than an actual opioid ..


peace!

[Woodrow]

I admit my memory is bad. But I am fairly certain the topic is something about "Who Oppress Women".

Out of 32 post I have yet to see that topic being discussed.