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Abdul-Raouf
12-29-2007, 05:27 PM
This is for everyone..Agnostics/Atheists/Theists

What is Luck according to u ?

Why is that they say Good Luck..Best of Luck ..etc.. Do u encourage that?
Do u encourage the usage of those words ?
(I didnt mean that you shouldnot wish good things to happen for someone...>> Im asking u ..y cant u say.. may GOD give u good result,..etc....)




When thinking about LUCK ... Y cant people realise GOD instead....?




:?




Let me make it more clear..

Im not sayin that u shouldnot wish good for others...

where does that Good Luck from ..who is making that surprisingly changes...?

Have u though about that.?

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The main reason for starting this thread is... i find many Thiests ...
..using the words LUCK often..(not at all praisin GOD)...especially... during exam time..interviews time..results time... etc...

Instead of praising/thinking LUCK ... y are they not thinking about GOD...


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I HATE THE USAGE THE WORD "LUCK"
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wilberhum
12-29-2007, 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by Abdul-Raouf
This is for everyone..Agnostics/Atheists/Theists

What is Luck according to u ?

Why is that they say Good Luck..Best of Luck ..etc.. Do u encourage that?

When thinking about LUCK ... Y cant people realise GOD instead....?


:?
The definition of a word is the best way to define it.

Luck: good fortune: success that seems to happen by chance


Why wouldn't I want someone to have "Good Luck"?

You can't "encourage" something that happens by change.

I see no connection to god.
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Isambard
12-29-2007, 08:09 PM
So you think God lives in seedy Casinos?
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12-29-2007, 09:38 PM
:salamext:

^ Explain?
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~Taalibah~
12-29-2007, 09:42 PM
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Allah Ta'aala is everywhere.

True, luck comes from Allah Ta'aala. Maybe i say it with intention of Allah Ta'aala's blessings, lame excuse i know but i mostly say it to noneMuslims. Those that dont understand Islam/arn't religious.
Guess its just a habit pp have when wanting good to happen to a person.
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wilberhum
12-29-2007, 09:47 PM
Originally Posted by Sabeeha
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Allah Ta'aala is everywhere.

True, luck comes from Allah Ta'aala. Maybe i say it with intention of Allah Ta'aala's blessings, lame excuse i know but i mostly say it to noneMuslims. Those that dont understand Islam/arn't religious.
Guess its just a habit pp have when wanting good to happen to a person.
What? Wow. :-\ People who don't understand what you believe are not religious.

I vote this for the "Lame Statement of the Day".
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جوري
12-29-2007, 09:56 PM
I don't believe in luck.. I believe in hard work, I believe chance favors the well prepared mind, And I believe that some are bestowed with love and favor from their lord and thus the world smiles at them.. no luck involved in either
hard work and a good heart that loves God..

:w:
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snakelegs
12-29-2007, 10:07 PM
Originally Posted by Abdul-Raouf
When thinking about LUCK ... Y cant people realise GOD instead....?
why are the 2 mutually exclusive?
i think luck is just what we call it when everything is going well and we're not sure why.
we say "good luck" when someone has to take a test.... what does it mean?
that we hope they will remember the stuff they have studied that they will be able to give the right answers. that there won't be any questions about the stuff they don't remember.. this doesn't preclude praying for god to help them.
"luck" to me, is a very vague concept.
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Pk_#2
12-29-2007, 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
What? Wow. :-\ People who don't understand what you believe are not religious.

I vote this for the "Lame Statement of the Day".
What?! You have reading problems mate, she said OR ARE NOT RELIGIOUS, she never said people who don't understand are not religious, sorry please do forgive this muppet Lol, Dun call my sisters statements lame yeah!!!!

Only joking bruv - dun cry

Luck? I hate that word, and hate using that word, I don;t think I do use that word and erm, people who do use that word, should not use that word, 'cause it really, truly, honestly does annoy me,

jazakAllahu khairun,

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
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~Taalibah~
12-29-2007, 10:20 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
What? Wow. :-\ People who don't understand what you believe are not religious.

I vote this for the "Lame Statement of the Day".
Gee, you walk into a shop, get into discussion with the keeper, she mentions something she's wanting to do and you say goodluck, in order to show you mean well. I wont say may God help you or something like that, they'll take it as the the so called God they believe in, cant say Allah Ta'aala either as they wont know what i mean.
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wilberhum
12-29-2007, 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by Umma Wasat
What?! You have reading problems mate, she said OR ARE NOT RELIGIOUS, she never said people who don't understand are not religious, sorry please do forgive this muppet Lol, Dun call my sisters statements lame yeah!!!!

Only joking bruv - dun cry

Luck? I hate that word, and hate using that word, I don;t think I do use that word and erm, people who do use that word, should not use that word, 'cause it really, truly, honestly does annoy me,

jazakAllahu khairun,

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
No she said
Those that dont understand Islam/arn't religious.
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~Taalibah~
12-29-2007, 10:24 PM
Oh yeah Wil, Umm Wasat is right i did mean those that dont understand Islam or not religious. Gotta stop taking short cuts...
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Pk_#2
12-29-2007, 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
No she said
The forward slash means 'or'

You called me a wambat dint you!! Grr whatever that is, tsk tsk.
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Nájlá
12-29-2007, 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Abdul-Raouf
This is for everyone..Agnostics/Atheists/Theists

What is Luck according to u ?

Why is that they say Good Luck..Best of Luck ..etc.. Do u encourage that?

When thinking about LUCK ... Y cant people realise GOD instead....?


:?

erm dont know how to describe it but luck is like wishing u hope well simillaer like
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wilberhum
12-29-2007, 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by Umma Wasat
The forward slash means 'or'

You called me a wambat dint you!! Grr whatever that is, tsk tsk.
I did? I don't think so. :skeleton:

But anyway from the Aussie wantabe, it would be a compliment. :D

I have a great picture of me with a wombat. :giggling::giggling:
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Pk_#2
12-29-2007, 10:34 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
I did? I don't think so. :skeleton:

But anyway from the Aussie wantabe, it would be a compliment. :D

I have a great picture of me with a wombat. :giggling::giggling:
Lol My bad - Apologies, that was Gayobeeno,

You guys are so alike, both equally annoying Lol,

Is that it in your sig *shocked face* Astaghfirullah! No more reps for him,

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.
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wilberhum
12-29-2007, 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Umma Wasat
Lol My bad - Apologies, that was Gayobeeno,

You guys are so alike, both equally annoying Lol,
Are you saying I look like an primate mother? :raging: (LOL)

Is that it in your sig *shocked face* Astaghfirullah! No more reps for him,
It is a Tasmanian Devil. Both are marsupials but wombats have a nicer personality. (That's why I picked the Devil)

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.
It was pure luck that I found the picture of Taz. :D
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Pk_#2
12-29-2007, 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
It was by pure accident that I came across the picture of Taz. :D
Yes of course, since luck does not exist.
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Abdul-Raouf
12-30-2007, 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by wilberhum

Why wouldn't I want someone to have "Good Luck"?
.
Let me make it more clear..

Im not sayin that u shouldnot wish good for others...

where does that Good Luck from ..who is making that surprisingly changes...?

Have u though about that.?

_______

The main reason for starting this thread is... i find many Thiests ...
..using the words LUCK often...especially... during exam time..interviews time..results time... etc...

Instead of praising LUCK ... y are they not thinking about GOD...


_____
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Keltoi
12-30-2007, 03:08 AM
Personally, when I say the word "luck" I'm not referring to some force of fate, it is simply an expression I use to refer to a series of events or one event that seems to go my way. Whether that event came about as the Will of God or some random act of chance, it is simply a way of referring to a fortunate event.
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Abdul-Raouf
12-30-2007, 03:11 AM
Originally Posted by snakelegs

why are the 2 mutually exclusive?
i think luck is just what we call it when everything is going well and we're not sure why.
we say "good luck" when someone has to take a test.... what does it mean?
that we hope they will remember the stuff they have studied that they will be able to give the right answers. that there won't be any questions about the stuff they don't remember.. this doesn't preclude praying for god to help them.
"luck" to me, is a very vague concept.

Have u ever thought about that vague concept... a little bit more..that..WHO is doing it..WHO is making things to happen easily ...etc...
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Yanal
12-30-2007, 03:13 AM
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For me if a muslim says best of luck i would take it as a compliment that means May Allah help you succeced. But if a non-muslim says it it's just a normal compliment like good job or like the old inpression break a leg.
:w:
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Keltoi
12-30-2007, 03:17 AM
Say you are working on the roof, and your ladder falls over. Fortunately, you landed on the comfy shrub instead of the sidewalk...or the opposite, you landed on a thornbush, fell through it and landed head first on the pavement. It is either good luck or bad luck....unless one believes that God is directing your fall...in which case He should get the credit..obviously.

Personally, I don't believe God makes a habit of directing people's unfortunate roofing accidents...just going by the number of people who are injured while roofing in the world. They don't all "deserve" it.
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Yanal
12-30-2007, 03:19 AM
:sl:Keltoi
i can understand that you are saying this because you aren't a your not a muslim, but we muslims believe that Allah creates everything and thefore he can control it he writes our destiny and whatever happens it is his will not our lack of concentration or attention. Allah can make us die in a second.
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Whatsthepoint
12-30-2007, 03:22 AM
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Yanal
12-30-2007, 03:25 AM
:sl:
Sorry Bro
and Keltoi i didn't see but i edited my post no worriers
:w:
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Woodrow
12-30-2007, 03:48 AM
I am not much of a believer in luck. All things are a matter of choice. We may not know the outcome in advance, but it was still our choice. Our responsibility is to strive for informed choice, so we know the outcome, before we make the choice.

To me the statement "Good Luck" is just a simply exclamation of wishing a person well. It seems to me that the better choice would be say "May Allaah(swt) grant you.......(whatever, fits the occasion)"

Of course being an old American, "Good Luck" still pop outs of my mouth often.
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snakelegs
12-30-2007, 04:06 AM
Originally Posted by Abdul-Raouf
Have u ever thought about that vague concept... a little bit more..that..WHO is doing it..WHO is making things to happen easily ...etc...
does god cause everything that happens? are there no coincidences?
if i am drunk and get in to a car accident and die - did god cause that? or did i, by being an idiot? if god causes everything, doesn't that mean that we have no responsibility for our choices and our actions?
i do not know.
i like to think that i am responsible for my choices. god may help me and guide me, but if i choose do to something stupid who can i blame but myself?
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Keltoi
12-30-2007, 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by snakelegs
does god cause everything that happens? are there no coincidences?
if i am drunk and get in to a car accident and die - did god cause that? or did i, by being an idiot? if god causes everything, doesn't that mean that we have no responsibility for our choices and our actions?
i do not know.
i like to think that i am responsible for my choices. god may help me and guide me, but if i choose do to something stupid who can i blame but myself?
That takes it to the concept of free-will. I believe there are coincidences. Human beings have free will and the responsibility of making choices. These choices have cause and effect, some good and some bad.
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Isambard
12-30-2007, 05:25 PM
Originally Posted by Abdul-Raouf
Have u ever thought about that vague concept... a little bit more..that..WHO is doing it..WHO is making things to happen easily ...etc...
If by luck folks are referring to probablity, then no, that is not evidence of God.

Play the scenerio enough times and the probabilty will work itself out.
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Cognescenti
12-30-2007, 09:52 PM
Originally Posted by Keltoi
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Personally, I don't believe God makes a habit of directing people's unfortunate roofing accidents...just going by the number of people who are injured while roofing in the world. They don't all "deserve" it.
:D:D

Yes..or on a greater scale what did the people of Aceh do to deserve a tidal wave? Meanwhile, the big US military base on Diego Garcia Island in the middle of the Indian ocean and only about 15 ft above sea level is untouched. What is up with that? It is all about the underwater topography and the shape of the tidal wave. I guess you could say the B-52's crews on Diego Garcia were "lucky", but really the underwater topography had been the way it was for thousands if not millions of years so it had everything to do with physics and nothing to do with luck. There are hundreds of stories about people who chose not to go to work on 9-11 in the WTC for some reason. Most feel "lucky". I can't say I blame them, but on the other hand, what about the many thousands that did go to work. Did God not care about them? Fatalism, as a philosophical or relgious construct helps people cope with difficult situations such as the sudden loss of a loved one or gives them courage when threatened, but I don't buy it. The logical consequence is that we have no free will. If we have no free will then why do have a yearning within ourselves to be in control of our destiny? Who thought up that scheme? What a downer. Why try hard? Why work hard? Why study hard? Why act in a moral fashion?

Cruiously, I find myself agreeing with Purest Ambrosia on this. We make our own destinies, to a large degree. There are limits based on heredity and biology and economic circumstance. One can't simply be the fastest man on Earth by practicing real hard, for example, but it is our duty to do the best we can with what God gave us.

Therefore, when I say "Good luck" I mean simply "I wish you well". In fact, I think I will start using the latter expression more. :smile:
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Abdul-Raouf
08-10-2010, 05:00 PM
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أحمد
08-10-2010, 05:40 PM
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Luck is a word closely related to superstition, mysticism and witchcraft. The word is blindly used with assumption towards a good meaning, and has at times replaced the remembrance of God from the tongues of people; an example of this is, "good luck in your exams". Luck is neither encouragement, nor genuine well-wishing. If you want to wish something good for someone; pray for them, ask Allah, don't turn to luck as the solution.





(81:27-29) It is not except a reminder to the worlds
For whoever wills among you to take a right course.
And you do not will except that Allah wills - Lord of the worlds.

:wa:
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