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The_Prince
01-14-2008, 12:57 AM
Don’t expect the New York Times or CNN to report on Fujita Yukihisa’s grilling of Japanese PM Fukuda over the official 9/11 fairy tale.

Yukihisa is a member of the House of Councillors in the Diet, that is to say the national legislature of Japan, and his questions about the transparent sham that is the official version of events is indeed a big deal — but not as important in America as the travails of Britney. Yukihisa’s presentation was all the more important due to the fact he was the Chief Cabinet Secretary under former PM Junichiro Koizumi in 2001.

Although we don’t yet have an English translation of the video — taped from Japanese television — now appearing on YouTube, the 911.video.de site posted the following, apparently a translation from Japanese:

On January 11th 2008 member of Parliament Yukihisa Fujita of the Japan Democratic party, made a 20 minute long statement at the House of Councillors, the upper house of the Diet (parliament) of Japan. He questioned the official version of 9/11 presented to the Japanese government and the public by the US administration in a session of the defense commission.

He asked the current Prime Minister Fukuda who was the Chief Cabinet Secretary under Koizumi cabinet in 2001.

“How could terrorists attacked the Pentagon?”

He asked whether Terrorism is crime or war. Some Japanese people were killed, so he believes this was a crime, so Japanese police should investigate the real suspect even though Japanese government assumed that the suspect was Al-Queda since Bush told Koizumi so and sent the self-defense force to Iraq. Can Japanese police arrest president Bush if he was one of the suspects?

The statement was made in connection with the discussion about the renewal of the Japanese logistic assistance program for the US navy in the “fight against terrorism”. US President George W Bush has recently pressed Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda to ensure Tokyo resumes crucial naval operations to support the war in Afghanistan. The Japan Democratic party which is in the opposition is blocking the resumption of the mission,which supplies fuel and water to US-led forces operating in the Indian Ocean.

The government wants to continue and to be part of the fight against terrorism. The opposition argues that the operation has not been approved formally by the United Nations. It claims that oil supplied by Japanese ships has been diverted for use in operations in Iraq, an accusation the Americans deny.

The government has made changes to the legislation which authorizes the mission. It has to be renewed every year after approval by parliament. The new law says Japanese ships can only refuel and supply water to vessels on anti-terrorism patrols. Ships involved in military operations — whether they be attacks, rescue operations or humanitarian relief — will not receive Japanese supplies.

Yukihisa Fujita did question Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba and Minister of Finance Fukushiro Nukaga about the way in which the US government did inform the Japanese government about the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

Mr.Yukihisa Fujita stressed that of the 24 people that died on 9/11 only 13 were identified and 11 bodies remain unaccounted for. He pointed out that there was never an official police investigation into the deaths of these japanese nationals.

He then explained that in the USA many people doubt the official version of 9/11 and numerous websites and scientists have collected evidence that contradicts the governments version..

He presented several largescale photographs of:
a) the Pentagon entry and exit hole
b) the flight path towards the Pentagon
c) the exploding WTC towers
d) the WTC 7 collapse.

He concluded that the japanese governments support of the “war against terror” is solely based on information provided by the US-administration. He demanded further investigation in the face of the governments drive to support the war more actively.

Yukihisa Fujita was elected to the House of Councillors for the first time in 2007

The Democratic Party of Japan (Minshinto) is a social liberal political party founded in 1998 by the merger of several smaller parties.

It is the second-largest party in the House of Representatives and the largest party in the House of Councillors, and it constitutes the primary opposition to the long-dominant Liberal Democratic Party.

Here we have a respected Japanese politician asking on public television if Bush can be arrested in connection with events of September 11, 2001, and the corporate media finds this unworthy of publication or even mention in passing.

But then, of course, the neocon corporate media, snugly in bed with the “defense” industry and long ago sold down the river by the CIA’s Operation Mockingbird, has ignored the coming out of former Italian president Francesco Cossiga, who declared the attack was a CIA and Mossad operation. As well, they have ignored former German Intelligence Minister Andreas von Bülow, who stated his informed belief that 9/11 was orchestrated at the highest level of the U.S. government.

Once again, another important news story is relegated to the memory hole.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1644
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Keltoi
01-15-2008, 07:01 AM
How cute...
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guyabano
01-15-2008, 10:17 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
How cute...
already the source: 'TRUTH'News Blogarchive

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The_Prince
01-15-2008, 01:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
already the source: 'TRUTH'News Blogarchive http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/frech/r035.gif
you know what you just did is one of the biggest fallacies right? you just did what is commonly know as poisoning the well, rather than actually bother to respond to what was said, you bring up the source, this is the lamest and most pathetic and weakest type of reaction and answer there is in the field of debate and arguing, its good you do it though.

if any of you neocons doubt the link well theres a video in the link of the Japanese politician who makes the claims.........

so instead of making silly comments of "how cute" or attacking the source, why dont you for once try to bother responding to anything????
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guyabano
01-15-2008, 03:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
you know what you just did is one of the biggest fallacies right? you just did what is commonly know as poisoning the well, rather than actually bother to respond to what was said, you bring up the source, this is the lamest and most pathetic and weakest type of reaction and answer there is in the field of debate and arguing, its good you do it though.

if any of you neocons doubt the link well theres a video in the link of the Japanese politician who makes the claims.........

so instead of making silly comments of "how cute" or attacking the source, why dont you for once try to bother responding to anything????
give a reliable news source, and not news from a blog, and I will give you a serious answer ! Anyway, don't give me an advice to answer, you are also just trolling around, so grab your own nose first before you blabber. Anyway, you also did only copy/paste job !
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islamirama
01-15-2008, 03:39 PM
Here's the video with subtitles....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXuOEBSlwU8
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Cognescenti
01-15-2008, 06:29 PM
The title should read "Formerly Respected Japanese Politician......." ;D


Do you folks think the Japanese are immune to kooky conspiracy therories? After all, it was only 1945 when the Emperor had to admit to them he was not divine.

This chowderhead seems to think the Pentagon attack was staged or faked...what does he think about the WTC?

This is so childish....but it is entertaining to see :sunny:
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Keltoi
01-15-2008, 06:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
The title should read "Formerly Respected Japanese Politician......." ;D


Do you folks think the Japanese are immune to kooky conspiracy therories? After all, it was only 1945 when the Emperor had to admit to them he was not divine.

This chowderhead seems to think the Pentagon attack was staged or faked...what does he think about the WTC?

This is so childish....but it is entertaining to see :sunny:
Not to mention that many of them are afraid of giant walking lizards...lol
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جوري
01-15-2008, 07:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
Great article.. thanks!

:w:
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islamirama
01-15-2008, 07:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
The title should read "Formerly Respected Japanese Politician......." ;D


Do you folks think the Japanese are immune to kooky conspiracy therories? After all, it was only 1945 when the Emperor had to admit to them he was not divine.

This chowderhead seems to think the Pentagon attack was staged or faked...what does he think about the WTC?

This is so childish....but it is entertaining to see :sunny:
FBI Declares Lack of Evidence to Connect Bin Laden to 9/11

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Despite all hues and cries by the US officials and media as well as those of the west that the Al-Qaeda and its leader Osama Bin Laden are the most wanted people for their direct role in September 11th terrorist attacks, the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) says that it has no evidence in this regard, raising more suspicion over all the speculations the US tried to forge in the world public opinion.


http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8503300169

FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

Stop living in denial already...:rolleyes:
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Keltoi
01-15-2008, 08:48 PM
The FBI cannot issue a warrant, regardless of common knowledge, unless it has the evidence to directly link OBL to the execution of 9-11. OBL didn't participate in 9-11 in the execution stage, so it is hard to issue a warrant based on a figurehead.
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ayesha309
01-15-2008, 08:52 PM
on the day of judgement we'll find out the truth. and don't worry; everyone will be there.
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Cognescenti
01-15-2008, 09:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
FBI Declares Lack of Evidence to Connect Bin Laden to 9/11

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Despite all hues and cries by the US officials and media as well as those of the west that the Al-Qaeda and its leader Osama Bin Laden are the most wanted people for their direct role in September 11th terrorist attacks, the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) says that it has no evidence in this regard, raising more suspicion over all the speculations the US tried to forge in the world public opinion.


http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8503300169

BTW..I am still not sure there really is an FBI guy named Rex Tomb...that has to be a gag??

FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

Stop living in denial already...:rolleyes:
I wouldn't dip my toe in de Nile, let alone live in the fetid thing.

The entertainment value just increases. :happy: Look guy, I think I have explained this to you before. The FBI is a law enforcement agency. OBL is already indicted for several Federal crimes which carry the death penalty. There is no need to disclose national security secrets just to add the WTC attacks to his most wanted poster. We all know he is either dead already, will die when a big bomb drops on his head or his own bodyguards will off him during a capture attempt.

Perhaps you should go to the store and get some more alumininum foil for your beanie (tin foil is hard to find and aluminum will still deflect most of the harmful rays..plus it is recyclable when the whole thing is over, which may be a whil judging from your persistence).

Here is info from the most wanted site

Date of Birth Used: 1957 Hair: Brown
Place of Birth: Saudi Arabia Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'4" to 6'6" Sex: Male
Weight: Approximately 160 pounds
Build: Thin
Complexion: Olive
Citizenship: Saudi Arabian
Language: Arabic (probably Pashtu)
Scars and Marks: None known
Remarks: Bin Laden is left-handed and walks with a cane.

The highlighted part is a hoot...6 6", 160 punds.....build thin..:D Yeah..no kidding.

BTW..I'm not sure there really is an FBI guy name Rex Tomb....:-) Surely, that is a gag?
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snakelegs
01-16-2008, 01:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
The FBI cannot issue a warrant, regardless of common knowledge, unless it has the evidence to directly link OBL to the execution of 9-11. OBL didn't participate in 9-11 in the execution stage, so it is hard to issue a warrant based on a figurehead.
but not hard to bomb a country in pursuit of this figurehead?
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جوري
01-16-2008, 01:46 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
I wouldn't dip my toe in de Nile, let alone live in the fetid thing.
It can only be fetid subsequent to your 'toe dip'
I am starting to think you a rural bucolic yokel who has never been outside the outskirts of his hickville..

<< you skulking

it is a wonder you are still a member here..

try to address the topic, no one here is amused by your acid 'humor' if one can call it that, or is that your last surviving defense mechanism?
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 02:46 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
but not hard to bomb a country in pursuit of this figurehead?
Like Cognescenti mentioned, the FBI is a law enforcement agency, not a military unit. I'm sure there are elements in the Pentagon who want OBL dead and elements that want him alive. The FBI doesn't have the luxury of strategic national defense decisions, they live by laws and guidelines. Adding OBL to the FBI's Most Wanted List is a matter of procedure, as OBL does not represent a national entity. Al-Qaeda is an organization, an organization that was protected by a national entity...that is where the military comes into play, i.e. "bombing".
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Cognescenti
01-16-2008, 06:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
It can only be fetid subsequent to your 'toe dip'
I am starting to think you a rural bucolic yokel who has never been outside the outskirts of his hickville..

<< you skulking

it is a wonder you are still a member here..

try to address the topic, no one here is amused by your acid 'humor' if one can call it that, or is that your last surviving defense mechanism?
Oh my gosh! Where did you get that old picture? I have since got rid of the pony tail.

I did address the topic. The fact that OBL's most wanted poster does not mention the 9-11 attacks means nothing. Quite possibly, a video of him announcing his culpability on AL Jazeera would not be enough for an indictment..it's a rule of evidence thingy.

Guys and Gals;

It's like this...if the US government dreamed up a gigantic conspiracy to blame OBL for the 9-11 attack, a conspiracy that certainly would have to include hundreds or perhaps thousands of people in the White House, State Dept, DOD, CIA, NSA and Congress...and Mossad and the Interantional Jewish Media Conspiracy and the Freemasons and Toastmasters International.....do you not think they would invite the guys at FBI that make the most wanted list and have them list OBL as the culprit for 9-11?

Some lunkhead in the Japanese parliament goes off his medicines and that is news?

:hiding:
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جوري
01-16-2008, 06:12 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
Oh my gosh! Where did you get that old picture? I have since got rid of the pony tail.
Did you need to implant is somewhere else?

Guys and Gals;

blah blah blah.. blah blah blah.. blah blah blah..
and some more daily drivel and a touch o




:hiding:

enough said... now take a hike!
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Roasted Cashew
01-16-2008, 06:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
you know what you just did is one of the biggest fallacies right? you just did what is commonly know as poisoning the well, rather than actually bother to respond to what was said, you bring up the source, this is the lamest and most pathetic and weakest type of reaction and answer there is in the field of debate and arguing, its good you do it though.

if any of you neocons doubt the link well theres a video in the link of the Japanese politician who makes the claims.........

so instead of making silly comments of "how cute" or attacking the source, why dont you for once try to bother responding to anything????
dude, you are completely right. Such arrogant remarks only shows how pathetic these people are. I have seen people riducule each other on many forums but didn't expect to see it on an Islamic Forum.
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جوري
01-16-2008, 06:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by hmmm5
dude, you are completely right. Such arrogant remarks only shows how pathetic these people are. I have seen people riducule each other on many forums but didn't expect to see it on an Islamic Forum.
board jesters employed to entertain us, to give each thread a little degeneracy.. most members view it as part of their zakat to engage motley fools so as to foster their self-esteem!
:w:
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thirdwatch512
01-16-2008, 06:38 AM
I am a neo liberal left wing Socialist who believes in many conspiracies. But I am not so gullible to actually believe that the government planned 9/11. That is just wishful thinking and so unrealistic. Had it happened, someone would have come out and said something.

I do not deny that perhaps Bush knew about it. But I know that Bush did not just wake up one day, gather his people, and they ALL agreed to kill thousands of Americans and hurt our economy.. and then not a single person find out about it!

Yeah, we all know that during 9/11 there were unidentified white planes in the air.. Well duh. The air force releases mobile operations center in case something happens to a building. They do not tell others for security. But it is precaution and they do it all the time. And yeah, there have been some other questionable things.. But to go as far to say that our president assigned these people to do this, or perhaps put explosives in the WTC.. That is just a stupid belief. and if one believes that, it shows how gullible and desperate they are for reasons to feel sorry for themselves.
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جوري
01-16-2008, 06:45 AM
Not sure why questioning the official story denotes 'feeling sorry for oneself'
most websites about 911 aren't started by Muslims, go ahead look at 911.org or whatreallyhappened or millions of others..

I suspect sarcasm in lieu of answers would dwindle a little if the official story made some sense so that minds slightly above the mediocre wouldn't be stifled..

cheers
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 12:07 PM
Actually I feel pathetic for even participating in a thread like this, but I find it so hard to believe that some people actually buy into this stuff.
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Cognescenti
01-16-2008, 03:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by hmmm5
dude, you are completely right. Such arrogant remarks only shows how pathetic these people are. I have seen people riducule each other on many forums but didn't expect to see it on an Islamic Forum.
Agent Keltoi (5th order Freemason and Grand Poobah, BPOE) ;

We are undone! Execute alternate plan B for Bravo! Repeat, B for Bravo. Tune your disgronifier to 212 MHz. On my mark.....Mark!

Klaatu barada nikto! Klaatu barada nikto!
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Cognescenti
01-16-2008, 03:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
most websites about 911 aren't started by Muslims, go ahead look at 911.org or whatreallyhappened or millions of others..
So stipulated. We have plenty of kooks of our own. People still write books alleging that FDR knew specifically about the Pearl harbor attack ahead of time...and that was 66 yrs ago.

Prince found one that crawled out from under a Japanese rock. It seems we have come full circle...eh?
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جوري
01-16-2008, 06:00 PM
I don't find you a particularly adept conversationalist.. but I will agree that you enjoy the circituitous route, which ridicules rather than address questions posed by millions.. You should run for office you'd make a great politician!

whatever it is that gets you going, if you think, disgorging a few words on a forum is the way of persuasion so be.. I simply don't want to hear complaints about how Muslims are losing to the mighty US and the mighty Israel, apparently they can bring down your glass house with plastic knives ...

from now on you zip it!

cheers
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 07:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
I don't find you a particularly adept conversationalist.. but I will agree that you enjoy the circituitous route, which ridicules rather than address questions posed by millions.. You should run for office you'd make a great politician!

whatever it is that gets you going, if you think, disgorging a few words on a forum is the way of persuasion so be.. I simply don't want to hear complaints about how Muslims are losing to the mighty US and the mighty Israel, apparently they can bring down your glass house with plastic knives ...

from now on you zip it!

cheers
What exactly are these "questions posed by millions"? The same questions that Popular Mechanics answered a long time ago? Or questions wrapped in conspiracy?
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MTAFFI
01-16-2008, 07:10 PM
http://www.debunking911.com

this site has an answer for just about everyone, every time I post it there is no response and the thread inevitably closes. The WTC was not, in my opinion, the result of some great government scandel, it is the cause of a mans outrage of the injustices that have occured in Palestine and Lebanon and so on. OBL confessed it himself, he has presented the videos of those he employed for the job, this is why these are all theories because the fact is this was a heinous crime perpetrated by a group known as Al-qaeda..You can say "Oh well the US was in bed with them when they were fighting USSR", very true, we shared common interest, and as soon as that was over they turned on the US. Sort of like a fighting dog, you can put him in the pit and let him fight to the death, but dont expect him to come out a lap dog. The subsequent actions thereafter have since only made more dogs, but to deny it and blame it on the US government is a shameless cop out, licked up by those who have a never ending thirst for the combination of wild speculation and government corruption.
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جوري
01-16-2008, 07:54 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
What exactly are these "questions posed by millions"? The same questions that Popular Mechanics answered a long time ago? Or questions wrapped in conspiracy?
Why do you argue for or against something when you haven't read contents?
http://www.911truth.org/

http://911scholars.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_Movement

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/index.html

http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html << this last one in particular answers your Popular mechanics


at this stage, you are entitled to believe what you want.. just don't impose it on the rest of us.. this isn't your father's forum!

cheers
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 08:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
Why do you argue for or against something when you haven't read contents?
http://www.911truth.org/

http://911scholars.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_Movement

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/index.html

http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html << this last one in particular answers your Popular mechanics


at this stage, you are entitled to believe what you want.. just don't impose it on the rest of us.. this isn't your father's forum!

cheers
:D I tried to read most of these but I laughed so hard I think I might have strained something. I found this passage particularly insightful...

Here PM makes a false dichotomy: the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon were either piloted by the alleged hijackers, or the crashes were of other types of aircraft. The authors avoid the scenario considered the most plausible by most skeptics: the jetliners were taken over by remote control and electronically piloted into the targets.

Taken over by remote control and electronically piloted into the targets? This is your answer to Popular Mechanics? There is no winning with that one...:hiding:

Look, these little websites you've found aren't secret gems of knowledge about what "really" happened on 9-11...they are conspiracy websites. Pure and simple. If you wish to believe them...by all means. However, that says more about you than it does about what really happened on 9-11.
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جوري
01-16-2008, 08:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
:D I tried to read most of these but I laughed so hard I think I might have strained something. .
You ought to go and have that looked at, it could be the death of you?!

What you or the 'connoisseur' think of me, is really of no consequence. I'd worry more about your own state, especially if you are straining yourself to a testicular torsion!


cheers
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Cognescenti
01-16-2008, 09:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
..
I suspect sarcasm in lieu of answers would dwindle a little if the official story made some sense so that minds slightly above the mediocre wouldn't be stifled..

cheers
"official story"??? That is rich. There must have been tens of millions of people who watched the 2nd jet hit the WTC on live TV. I am not a civil engineer but I am pretty sure that a big piece of metal weighing in the neighborhood of 300,000 lbs, filled up with thousands of gallon of jet fuel and traveling at several hundred mph is going to make a BIG dent in a building.

The first site you reference...911truth.org has an update on a Bush/Cheney impeachment on their home page. :laugh:

Here is their first item in the attack on the "official story".

1) AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.


Let me see if I understand. As part of the planning for this gigantic international conspiracy, the very leaders of the conspiracy planned to feign surprise and perhaps even incompetence as a cover to explain why they didn't act to prevent it. Of course, it would have to be feigned incompetence as they evidently possessed extraordinary intellect and political guile in order to pull off the gigantic conspiracy. Notice also how Richard Clarke appears to be part of it even though he had a big ax to grind with the Bush administration and even though his personal and professional reputation will be permanently damaged by the attack. Evidently they promised him a ranch in Wyoming or something. If I were him I wouldn't stand too close to the edge of the platform when taking the subway or train to work. You never know...it could be dangerous :Evil:
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جوري
01-16-2008, 09:56 PM

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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 10:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

My thoughts exactly...although I'm sure you meant it in a different way.
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جوري
01-16-2008, 10:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
My thoughts exactly....
If the shoe fits.. but don't let that stop you.. we all enjoy fervent fiction..
your posts as well as cogno, have been hilarious and virtually appealing!

cheers
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islamirama
01-16-2008, 10:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
If the shoe fits.. but don't let that stop you.. we all enjoy fervent fiction..
your posts as well as cogno, have been hilarious and virtually appealing!

cheers

It has been quite amusing seeing these old faces coming time after time to parrot the same thing their leaders are throwing to shove down the world's throat. There's the american's version and the real version in everything.

First we had...

Ex-Italian Prime Minister says 9/11 was carried out by CIA and Mossad

and now we have Japanese parliament stating 9-11 done by bin laden is US VERSION and we don't have any evidence, we want to do our own investigation rather then believe their ASSUMPTIONS which have not been proved.

And then you have FBI, which investigates cases on a federal level have a number of things under bin laden profile but did not find any evidence on bin laden and 9-11.

I thought you were innocent until proven guilty in a democratic society?

and yet we have bush and his regime saying bin laden did it, and then they hampered any investigations from being done into the matter.

So in essence, you don't do your own investigations. You don't demand prove and evidence. You believe what we tell you. and we will wage war based on what we believe and we will force the world to believe our story. Like bush said, "you're either with us, or against us"

i guess a few blind followers want to be with the him and keep proving to us even a monkey can have followers :D
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:06 PM
the former German Defence minister said 9-11 was carried out by the CIA:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 11:07 PM
Supposedly one of the rules of this forum is no conspiracy nonsense...but yet here is an entire thread devoted to it...
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:13 PM
this isnt a conspiracy, so get your facts straight.....

POLITICIANS ARE SAYING THIS STUFF incase you didnt know, but being the propaganda boy you are you ignore it all.

the conspiracy is the government version you feed us.
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Amadeus85
01-16-2008, 11:14 PM
Somehow I dont get it. How is it possible that muslims radicals (ben Laden and those suicide bombers from Europe) could be in alliance with CIA (The Great Satan isnt it?) And if Osama was really a CIA agent, so how is it possible that he was defended and hided by muslim radicals- talebans from Afghanistan? If he was raeally a CIA agent so why he became a hero for hundreds of muslim extremists from all over the world and Al Quaeda?
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:15 PM
keltoi why dont you then answer this Q, why did silverstein say they pulled building 7? meaning they took it down? lol he was ON TV SAYING IT, is that a conspiracy?

why did BBC report building 7's collapse before it even fell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
Somehow I dont get it. How is it possible that muslims radicals (ben Laden and those suicide bombers from Europe) could be in alliance with CIA (The Great Satan isnt it?) And if Osama was really a CIA agent, so how is it possible that he was defended and hided by muslim radicals- talebans from Afghanistan? If he was raeally a CIA agent so why he became a hero for hundreds of muslim extremists from all over the world and Al Quaeda?
howdy, now i dont believe osama is a CIA agent, but what you say is very simple and COULD BE DONE.

this is the CIA, they are trained experts in fooling people and putting in spies and stooges....i mean the FBI has managed to infiltrate mafia groups by putting their own men in the orginizations, an example is donnie brasco, he was an FBI agent who infiltrated the mafia, he was so good he was going to be made into a 'made guy' which means an official mafia member! give him many more years and he would eventually become a leader!

now imagine the CIA, and double the years into 20 years....it could be very possible.
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جوري
01-16-2008, 11:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
It has been quite amusing seeing these old faces coming time after time to parrot the same thing their leaders are throwing to shove down the world's throat. There's the american's version and the real version in everything.

First we had...

Ex-Italian Prime Minister says 9/11 was carried out by CIA and Mossad

and now we have Japanese parliament stating 9-11 done by bin laden is US VERSION and we don't have any evidence, we want to do our own investigation rather then believe their ASSUMPTIONS which have not been proved.

And then you have FBI, which investigates cases on a federal level have a number of things under bin laden profile but did not find any evidence on bin laden and 9-11.

I thought you were innocent until proven guilty in a democratic society?

and yet we have bush and his regime saying bin laden did it, and then they hampered any investigations from being done into the matter.

So in essence, you don't do your own investigations. You don't demand prove and evidence. You believe what we tell you. and we will wage war based on what we believe and we will force the world to believe our story. Like bush said, "you're either with us, or against us"

i guess a few blind followers want to be with the him and keep proving to us even a monkey can have followers :D
Some people are only too delighted in their ignorance.. I only find it annoying when they force feed everyone their dribble with severe rebuke and censure as if they own the boards and have unplumbed understanding of politics..
You'd think they would reach for more mature defense mechanism than readily used by fifth grade bullies.

the other guy though is a piece of work though... one vote seems to be a threat to his very manhood..
Now, how can that not be amusing?

:w:
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Cognescenti
01-16-2008, 11:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
It has been quite amusing seeing these old faces coming time after time to parrot the same thing their leaders are throwing to shove down the world's throat. There's the american's version and the real version in everything.

First we had...

Ex-Italian Prime Minister says 9/11 was carried out by CIA and Mossad
Umm...even if the idiot did say such a thing...you left out an important detail............he hasn't been in power since 1992. He has no insider knowledge, he has no access to intelligence. His view is no more valid than mine. I have a sneaking suspicion (call it a conspiratorial notion) that he is a Leftist with a political ax to grind.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
and now we have Japanese parliament stating 9-11 done by bin laden is US VERSION and we don't have any evidence, we want to do our own investigation rather then believe their ASSUMPTIONS which have not been proved.
No you don't you perhaps have a single member of parliament who has stopped his antipsyochotic meds.

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And then you have FBI, which investigates cases on a federal level have a number of things under bin laden profile but did not find any evidence on bin laden and 9-11. .
No you don't. It is merely omitted from his warrant (which was issued before 9-11....you...ah never mind)


format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
So in essence, you don't do your own investigations. You don't demand prove and evidence. You believe what we tell you. and we will wage war based on what we believe and we will force the world to believe our story. Like bush said, "you're either with us, or against us"

i guess a few blind followers want to be with the him and keep proving to us even a monkey can have followers :D
What do you think that big thing with wings that flew into the WTC was, sweetheart?

This is a joke right? Y'all are having sport with us, right?
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:28 PM
conge,,, why do you call the ex italian prime M an idiot?????? see folks notice how PATHETIC these neocons are, they only insult and label people......

and then you say hes a LEFTIST who has an axe to grind, the other typical neocon move! they label ppl as liberals or lefty loonies ALWAYS....

now even if he is a leftist SO WHAT? other neocon move, anyone who is a liberal or lefty is automatically bad.....notice the cheap propaganda these neocons use????????
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 11:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
keltoi why dont you then answer this Q, why did silverstein say they pulled building 7? meaning they took it down? lol he was ON TV SAYING IT, is that a conspiracy?

why did BBC report building 7's collapse before it even fell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Very thorough analysis of all this conspiracy garbage.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Very thorough analysis of all this conspiracy garbage.
yeah when he said they pulled building 7 down he meant they pulled weruhyewrhwirhwifhwaeifweotie4t984yut894389...... :happy:
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جوري
01-16-2008, 11:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
Umm...
tabes dorsalis?..
even if the idiot did say such a thing...you left out an important detail............he hasn't been in power since 1992.
He is past expiration date? Makes you wonder; by what token do you feel qualified to write here considering your all too frequent 'umm'

He has no insider knowledge, he has no access to intelligence. His view is no more valid than mine.
You are only half right.. any guess as to which half?


I have a sneaking suspicion (call it a conspiratorial notion) that he is a Leftist with a political ax to grind.
I have a sneaking suspicion, you have too much free time on your hand.. try to take this opportunity to fill the dorsal side of your driver's license..


cheers
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 11:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
yeah when he said they pulled building 7 down he meant they pulled weruhyewrhwirhwifhwaeifweotie4t984yut894389...... :happy:
Yeah, they cover that little conspiracy of yours too...if you actually care to look...which I doubt you will.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:44 PM
LOL yeah how conveniant he was refering to another buildin....lol wow i was even going to say that as a joke in my last comment. so FUNNY MAN.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:47 PM
building 7:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 11:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
LOL yeah how conveniant he was refering to another buildin....lol wow i was even going to say that as a joke in my last comment. so FUNNY MAN.
Yeah, I didn't think you would bother to read it...

Silverstein's Quote:

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander

-Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business

Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified:

"In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building."

He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence...

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...2_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Banaciski_Richard.txt

Here is more evidence they pulled the teams out waiting for a normal collapse from fire...

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...2_WTC_GRAPHIC/
Nigro_Daniel.txt

"Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...12_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Cruthers.txt

"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...12_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Ryan_William.txt
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:51 PM
LOL so when he said pull it he meant evacuate the fire fighters? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHHAHHA you clowns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 11:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
LOL so when he said pull it he meant evacuate the fire fighters? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHHAHHA you clowns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html
No offense, but you must have a serious reading comprehension problem.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:53 PM
when you wanna evacuate a place you say EVACUATE, LEAVE, i aint never heard someone say pull it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the term PULL IT refers to taking buildings down, yes PULL IT means evacuate.....wow amazing answer
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Cognescenti
01-16-2008, 11:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
keltoi why dont you then answer this Q, why did silverstein say they pulled building 7? meaning they took it down? lol he was ON TV SAYING IT, is that a conspiracy?

why did BBC report building 7's collapse before it even fell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<makes groaning sound> The owner of 7 WTC was consulted about calling off firefighting activities inside the building, which had been going on for hours. The fire dept was concerned about risk to the fireman......like building collapse. He answered "pull them" as in removing the crew from danger. This is what he was talking about.....he explained this on TV too.

Of course, it could be he got a ranch in Wyoming too and his story was a cover.....wait a minute, has anyone seen this guy recently....OMG...you could just be right! :eek:

Interesting stuff about the BBC being in on it. There are another 10-20 thousand conspirators. Pretty soon there aren't going to be any ranches left in Wyoming.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:54 PM
if i have a comprehension problem its because your ANSWERS ARE SO CRAP they make no sense.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:56 PM
and actually no i understood the crap you posted....when he said pull it, he meant get the fire fighters out because he feared they would die since the fire was out of control....

thats BS cause when you say evacuate a building you dont say we said PULL IT....THE TERM PULL IT OFTEN REFERS TO BUILDINGS THAT ARE MANUALLY TAKEN DOWN you dudu head.

WHAT A FREAKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG DESPERATE ANSWER oh man.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:57 PM
silverstein said pull IT, ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, he didnt say pull THEM, or even pull THEM OUT.....he said PULL IT, so buddy boy your response is so crap its not even funny.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 11:58 PM
LOL and we are the loony desperate ones right? rightttttttttttttttttttttt.
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The_Prince
01-17-2008, 12:05 AM
btw you liar, you and the liars say the fires were out of control, REALLY? lets read the official audio transcript:

The Firefighters' Tapes: Tapes reveal that fires were under control not raging infernos

The audio presented here is a recording of the firefighter's tapes on September 11th that have been released publically. A lot of the portions of the tapes have been classified. This portion lasts an hour and thirteen minutes, we have highlighted the interesting parts below with full transcripts. According to the Port Authority, this recording covers approximately 8:45 to 9:58 AM Eastern.

Open the following link and it should play in your media player.

911 Firefighter's tape

Now wait til it downloads and skip through to 39:00 and begin listening to the following:

9:25 a.m.
Ladder 15: "Go ahead, Irons."

Ladder 15 Irons: "Just got a report from the director of Morgan Stanley. Seventy-eight seems to have taken the brunt of this stuff, there's a lot of bodies, they say the stairway is clear all the way up, though."

Ladder 15: "Alright, ten-four Scott. What, what floor are you on?"

Ladder 15 Irons: "Forty-eight right now."

Ladder 15: "Alright, we're coming up behind you."

Now skip another six minutes to 45:52 and listen:

9:31 a.m.
Battalion Seven Aide: "Battalion Seven, you want me to relay?"

Ladder 15: "Yeah, Steve tell Chief Palmer they got reports that there's more planes in the area, we may have to back down here."

Battalion Seven Aide: "Ten-four."

"Seven Alpha to Seven."

Battalion Seven: "Steve. Seven to Seven Alpha."

Ladder 15: "Fifteen to 15 Roof."

"Fifteen Roof."

Ladder 15: "We got reports of another incoming plane. We may have to take cover. Stay in the stairwell."

Ladder 15 Roof: "Ten-four."

Ladder 15: "Fifteen to 15 Roof. That plane's ours. I repeat. It's ours. What floor are you on, Scotty?"

Ladder 15 Roof: "Fifty-four."

Ladder 15: "Alright. Keep making your way up. We're behind you."

Ladder 15 Roof: "Ten-four."

The officers then describe where they are headed, where they believe the fires to be...

Now skip to 54:02...

9:37 a.m.
Ladder 15 Lieutenant: "Tommy, listen carefully. I'm sending all the injured down to you on 40. You're going to have to get'em down to the elevator. There's about 10 to 15 people coming down to you."

Ladder 15 Firefighter: "Okay."

Ladder 15 Lieutenant: "Ten civilians coming down. Fifteen to OV."

Ladder 15 Firefighter: "Got that, I'm on 40 right now, Lieu."

9:39 a.m.

Ladder 15 Lieutenant: "Alright Tommy, when you take people down to the lobby, try to get an EMS crew back."

Ladder 15 Firefighter: "Definitely."
Now skip to 57:20...
9:43 a.m.
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15 Roof, what's your progress?"

Ladder 15 Roof: "Sixty-three, Battalion."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four."

Battaltion Nine Chief: "Battalion Nine to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Go ahead Battaltion Nine."

Battalion Nine Chief: "Orio, I couldn't find a bank to bring you up any highter. I'm on the 40th floor, what can I do for you?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "We're going to have to hoof it. I'm on 69 now, but we need a higher bank, kay."

Battalion Nine Chief: "What stairway you in Orio?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "The center of the building, boy, boy."

"Tac One to Tac One Alpha."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15 Roof, what floor?"

Battalion Nine Chief: "Battalion Nine to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "...Battalion Nine."

Battalion Nine Chief: "Orio, I'm going to try and get a couple of CFRD engines on the 40th floor so send any victims down here, I'll start up a staging area."

Battalion Seven Chief: "...find a fireman service elevator close to 40, if we get some more cars in that bank, we'll be alright."

Now skip to 01:02:40. This is where the fires are discovered and described as "two isolated pockets"

9:48 a.m.
Ladder 15: "Battalion Fifteen to Battalion Seven."

Battalion Seven: "Go Ladder 15."

Ladder 15: "What do you got up there, Chief?"

Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm still in boy stair 74th floor. No smoke or fire problems, walls are breached, so be careful."

Ladder 15: "Yeah Ten-Four, I saw that on 68. Alright, we're on 71 we're coming up behind you."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four. Six more to go."

Ladder 15: "Let me know when you see more fire."

Battalion Seven Chief: "I found a marshall on 75."

9:49 a.m.
Ladder 15: "Fifteen to 15 OV. Fifteen to 15 OV.

"Fifteen OV."

Ladder 15: "Tommy, have you made it back down to the lobbby yet?"

Ladder 15 OV: "The elevator's screwed up."

Ladder 15: "You can't move it?"

Ladder 15 OV: "I don't want to get stuck in the shaft."

9:50 a.m.

Ladder 15: "Alright Tommy. It's imperative that you go down to the lobby command post and get some people up to 40. We got injured people up here on 70. If you make it to the lobby command post see if they can somehow get elevators past the 40th floor. We got people injured all the way up here."

Battalion Seven Aide: "Battaltion Seven Alpha to Seven."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Go Steve."

Battalion Seven Aide: "Yeah Chief, I'm on 55, I got to rest. I'll try to get up there as soon as possible."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four."


9:50 a.m.
"Anybody see the highway one car? Highway one car we need it for an escort to the hospital for a fireman."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15."

"15 Irons."

Ladder 15: "Fifteen to 15 Roof and Irons."

Battalion Six Chief: "Battalion Six to command post."

9:52 a.m.

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Battalion Seven Alpha."

"Freddie, come on over. Freddie, come on over by us."

Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor num


.................................................. ...............................

to further expose you, you 9-11 debunkers cant even agree with yourself on what silverstein meant.....another 9-11 debunker says YES silverstein wanted to pull the building, but however so it never happened because the building collapsed before they could do such a thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so you 9-11 debunkers make your mind up, when silverstein said pull it, did he mean pull the fighters out? or did he really mean take the building down, but the order couldnt be done because the building eventually fell on its own?

BUSTEDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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The_Prince
01-17-2008, 12:07 AM
i just whooped you on building 7......... so much for US being the 'conspiracy' nuts.
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Cognescenti
01-17-2008, 12:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
silverstein said pull IT, ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, he didnt say pull THEM, or even pull THEM OUT.....he said PULL IT, so buddy boy your response is so crap its not even funny.
<imagines Prince to be dancing around his computer monitor making giggling sounds>

"Pull it"..."pull them" ...who cares? "Pull it" could apply to the firefighting effort. Do you not understand...he clarified this later. If he is now lying then he is one of the growing thousands in on it. Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

Look at the big picture. Either the WTC (one of the tallest buildings in the world) fell down and broke something in an adjoining building or a sinster conspiracy of thousands conspired to make it look that way and they all kept the secret. Just stop and think for a second. Doesn't that seem at least slightly preposterous to you?

This is the real world guy.

BTW..that firefighter transcript is not for 7 WTC...they are in one of the WTC towers, dear. They are talkign about the 75th floor...there werent that many floors in 7 WTC
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Roasted Cashew
01-17-2008, 04:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
Agent Keltoi (5th order Freemason and Grand Poobah, BPOE) ;

We are undone! Execute alternate plan B for Bravo! Repeat, B for Bravo. Tune your disgronifier to 212 MHz. On my mark.....Mark!

Klaatu barada nikto! Klaatu barada nikto!

Well, if these boosts your self-esteem, good for you. Still looks pathetic to me. Though don't get back at me with neg rep.
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