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Muezzin
01-16-2008, 04:01 PM
Caution: Long article.

As a bomb explodes in Beirut and Israel kills 19 in Gaza raids, Bush takes his Middle East peace mission to Saudi Arabia (and signs off $20bn weapons deal with repressive regime)

Published: 16 January 2008

Twixt silken sheets – in a bedroom whose walls are also covered in silk – and in the very palace of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, President George Bush awakes this morning to confront a Middle East which bears no relation to the policies of his administration nor the warning which he has been relaying constantly to the kings and emirs and oligarchs of the Gulf: that Iran rather than Israel is their enemy.

The President sat chummily beside the all-too-friendly monarch yesterday, enthroned in what looked suspiciously like the kind of casual blue cardigan he might wear on his own Texan ranch; he had even received a jangling gold " Order of Merit" – it looked a bit like the Lord Chancellor's chain, though it was not disclosed which particular merit earned Mr Bush this kingly reward. Could it be the hypocritical merit of supplying yet more billions worth of weapons to the Kingdom, to be used against the Saudi regime's imaginary enemies.

It was illusory, of course, like all the words that the Arabs have heard from the Americans these past seven days, ever since the fading President began his tourist jaunt around the Middle East.

You wouldn't think it though, watching this preposterous man, prancing around arm-in-arm with the King, in what was presumably meant to be a dance, wielding a massive glinting curved Saudi sword, a latter-day Saladin, who would have appalled the Kurdish leader who once destroyed the Crusaders in what is now referred to by Mr Bush as "the disputed West Bank".

Is this how lame-duck American presidents are supposed to behave? Certainly, the denizens of the Middle East, watching this outrageous performance will all be asking this question. Ever since the 1979 Iranian revolution, a Muslim Cold War has been raging within the Middle East – but is this how Mr Bush thinks one should fight for the soul of Islam?

Already by dusk last night, the US President's world was exploding in Beirut when a massive car bomb blew up next to a 4x4 vehicle carrying American embassy employees, killing four Lebanese and apparently badly wounding a US embassy driver. And while Mr Bush was relaxing in the Saudi royal ranch at Al Janadriyah, Israeli forces killed 19 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, most of them members of Hamas, one of them the son of Mahmoud Zahar, a leader of the movement. He later claimed that Israel would not have staged the attack – on the day an Israeli was also killed by a Palestinian rocket – if it had not been encouraged to do so by George Bush.

The difference between reality and the dream-world of the US government could hardly have been more savagely illustrated. After promising the Palestinians a "sovereign and contiguous state" before the end of the year, and pledging "security" to Israel – though not, Arabs noted, security for "Palestine" – Mr Bush had arrived in the Gulf to terrify the kings and oligarchs of the oil-soaked kingdoms of the danger of Iranian aggression. As usual, he came armed with the usual American offers of vast weapons sales to protect these largely undemocratic and police state regimes from potentially the most powerful nation in the " axis of evil".

It was a potent – even weird – example of the US President's perambulation of the Arab Middle East, a return to the "policy by fear" which Washington has regularly visited upon Gulf leaders. He agreed to furnish the Saudis with at least £41m of arms, a figure set to rise to more than £10bn in weaponry to the Gulf potentates under a deal announced last year – all of which is supposed to shield them from the supposed territorial ambitions of Iran's crackpot President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. As usual, Washington promised the Israelis that their "qualitative edge" in advanced weapons would be maintained, just in case the Saudis – who have never gone to war with anyone except Saddam Hussein after his 1990 invasion of Kuwait – decided to launch a suicidal attack on America's only real ally in the Middle East.

This, of course, was not how the whole shooting match was presented to the Arabs. Mr Bush could be seen ostentatiously kissing the cheeks of King Abdullah and holding hands with the autocratic monarch whose ******* Muslim state had only recently showed its "mercy" to a Saudi woman who was charged with adultery after being raped seven times in the desert outside Riyadh. The Saudis, needless to say, are well aware that Mr Bush's reign is ending amid chaos in Pakistan, a disastrous guerrilla war against Western forces in Afghanistan, fierce fighting in Gaza, near civil war in Lebanon and the hell-disaster of Iraq.

The bomb in Beirut, just before five in the evening, must still have come as a rude shock to the luxuriating President who has such close ties with the Saudi regime – despite the fact that the majority of hijackers in the crimes against humanity of 11 September 2001 came from the kingdom – that he allowed its junior princes to fly home from the United States immediately after the attacks. Two trips to Mr Bush's Texas ranch by King Abdullah was apparently enough to earn the US President a night in the Saudi king's palace-farm, surrounded by groomed lawns and grassy hills.

Heard across many miles of the Lebanese capital, the bomb devastated buildings in a narrow street in the east of the city through which the vehicle was passing, just as the US ambassador – on a different route into the city – was travelling to a central Beirut hotel reception before leaving for Washington. A State Department spokesman, however, insisted that no US citizens had been hurt. The American SUV had taken an obscure laneway close to the Karantina bridge to travel north of Beirut along the bank of the city's only river when it was struck, leading local Lebanese military officials to ask themselves if the bomber had inside knowledge of the route they were taking.

There was talk that this was a "dummy" convoy staged to distract potential bombers from the journey which Ambassador Jeffrey Feltman was taking to a reception at a downtown hotel. A carpet manufacturer's factory was smashed by the blast which tore down roofs and smashed windows more than half a mile from the scene.

For Arab leaders, Mr Bush's message to the Gulf leaders was wearily familiar. In the 1980s, when the Reagan administration was supporting Saddam Hussein's invasion of Iran, Washington spent its time warning Gulf leaders of the danger of Iranian aggression. Once Saddam invaded Kuwait, America's emphasis changed: It was now Iraq which posed the greatest danger to their kingdoms. But once the emirate was liberated, the oil-wealthy monarchs were told that – yet again – it was Iran that was their enemy.

Arabs are no more taken in by this topsy-turvy "good-versus-evil" narrative than they are by Washington's promises to help create a Palestinian state by the end of the year, scarcely a day before Israel publicly admitted to plans for yet more houses for settlers on Arab land amid Jewish colonies illegally built on Palestinian territory.

Yet to understand the nature of this extraordinary relationship with the Gulf monarchs, it is necessary to recall that ever since the President's father promised a weapons-free "oasis of peace" in the Gulf, Washington – along with Britain, France and Russia – has been pouring arms into the region.

Over the past decade, the Gulf Arabs have squandered billions of their oil dollars on American weapons. The statistics tell their own story. In 1998 and 1999 alone, Gulf Arab military spending came to £40bn. Between 1997 and 2005, the sheikhs of the United Arab Emirates – Mr Bush's hosts before he continued to Riyadh – signed arms contracts worth £9bn with Western nations. Between 1991 and 1993 – when Iraq was the "enemy" – the US Military Training Mission was administering more than £14bn in Saudi arms procurements and £12bn in new US weapons acquisitions. By this time, the Saudis already possessed 72 American F-15 fighter-bombers and 114 British Tornados.

How little has changed in the past 17 years. On 17 May 1991, for example, George Bush Snr said there were now "real reasons to be optimistic" about a peace in the Middle East. "We are going to continue to work in the [peace] process," he said then. "We are not going to abandon it."

James Baker, who was the American Secretary of State, warned on 23 May 1991 that the continued building of Jewish settlements on Palestinian land " hindered" a future Middle East peace, just as the present Secretary of State said last week. At the time, the Israelis were reassured by Dick Cheney that the US would safeguard their "security".

The West may have a short memory. The Arabs, who happen to live in the piece of real estate which we call the Middle East and who are not stupid, have not. They understand all too well what George W Bush now stands for. After advocating "democracy" in the region – a policy which gained electoral victories for Shia in Iraq, for Hamas in Gaza and a substantial gain in political power for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt – it seems to have dawned on Washington that something might be slightly wrong with Bush's priorities. Instead of advocating a "New Middle East", Mr Bush, lying amid his silken sheets in the Saudi king's palace, is now pursuing a return to the "Old Middle East", a place of secret policemen, torture chambers – to which prisoners can be usefully " renditioned " – and dictatorial "moderate" presidents and monarchs. And which of the Gulf despots is going to object to that?

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MTAFFI
01-16-2008, 05:00 PM
Interesting article.... not so sure about Robert Fisk, but an interesting perspective nonetheless
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 07:00 PM
I notice Robert Fisk takes the perspective that the U.S. is the only one responsible for the state of the Middle East peace process. If the peace process fails...well, it's the fault of the U.S. because someone in the government said the peace process would work. Seems a little childish and, if I were Palestinian, slightly insulting to buy into Fisk's article. If there is going to be a Palestinian state it is going to have to come about as a result of Palestinian efforts to do so...electing Hamas was not an effort to create a Palestinian state.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 09:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
I notice Robert Fisk takes the perspective that the U.S. is the only one responsible for the state of the Middle East peace process. If the peace process fails...well, it's the fault of the U.S. because someone in the government said the peace process would work. Seems a little childish and, if I were Palestinian, slightly insulting to buy into Fisk's article. If there is going to be a Palestinian state it is going to have to come about as a result of Palestinian efforts to do so...electing Hamas was not an effort to create a Palestinian state.
hey it was the good ole USA who asked for democratic elections in palestine....and the ppl voted for hamas, as they say, be careful for what you wish for, you wanted elections and you got them, oh but just cause you dont like who was elected the palis have to suffer now right???? yes thats american democracy in the mid-east, vote for our puppets or else......

i didnt see any of you complaining when israel voted for the war criminal ariel sharon, nop, no complaints at all, infact your stupid president called that fat brain dead pig a man of peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so dont come with your hypocrisy plz, when israelis vote for terrorists like netanyahu, or peres, or the brain dead sharon you say nothing, when palis vote for hamas etc you start complaining??????????

peace is very very easy to be made right now, israel should simply leave the west bank and release the thousands of prisoners they hold, and thats that, nothing too hard.............

everyone keeps saying but hamas has to stop attacking! actually no they dont, theyre land is still occupied, and many of their fellow men and women are still being illegally held in israeli jails, so hamas and other groups have every single right to keep firing rockets, mortars, and whatever else until the day israel entirely stops occupying the west bank, and gives back the prisoners.

everyone says when israel left gaza hamas kept firing rockets, well erm DUHHHHHHHHHHHH....gaza was just part of the occupied land, west bank is still occupied....if someone steals your house, but then gives your backyard back do you stop fighting?? erm no not really because you want the whole house back......

and again dont forget the thousands upon thousands of palestinians being held behind israeli prisons...............

so peace is very easy, give west bank back, and release the prisoners, simple.....but what do they do instead? they keep building more illegal settlements!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cognescenti
01-16-2008, 10:02 PM
Look...Bush is criticized for not doing enough. Then he tries to do something and invests his personal effort and he is criticized for being unrealistic. He is further chastised for trying to solve problems even though violence continues. ???? When, exactly would be a good time??? He probably wont succeed. Many others have not. Perhaps we should just give up, eh? This is a stupid criticism. :thumbs_do

How would it be for the leader of an enterprise to say to his cohorts...."Hey, I want you all to try your hardest <snickers>....but, honestly, lets get real, you dont have a chance in Hades."

If I didn't know better, I might assume there are forces in the Middle East who gain power and legitiamcy by perpetuating the conflict......nah...probably just my imagination.
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The_Prince
01-16-2008, 10:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
Look...Bush is criticized for not doing enough. Then he tries to do something and invests his personal effort and he is criticized for being unrealistic. He is further chastised for trying to solve problems even though violence continues. ???? When, exactly would be a good time??? He probably wont succeed. Many others have not. Perhaps we should just give up, eh? This is a stupid criticism. :thumbs_do

How would it be for the leader of an enterprise to say to his cohorts...."Hey, I want you all to try your hardest <snickers>....but, honestly, lets get real, you dont have a chance in Hades."

If I didn't know better, I might assume there are forces in the Middle East who gain power and legitiamcy by perpetuating the conflict......nah...probably just my imagination.
lol you would like to think were stupid.

Bush could care less about the pali-israeli conflict, he didnt go to the mid-east for the peace! i am in Uae, the only thing bushy talked about was fighting Iran! thats all he did in saudia and the other gulf states....so what are you on about with peace talks???

bush is comming here for war talk!

you know this sounds like the biggest oxy-moron i have seen in my life, bush is comming to the mid-east for peace, yet at the same time is telling people to confront Iran, and is selling 10-20 billion dollars worth of weapons............yeah lets make peace while i sell you these nice big bombs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Keltoi
01-16-2008, 10:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
Look...Bush is criticized for not doing enough. Then he tries to do something and invests his personal effort and he is criticized for being unrealistic. He is further chastised for trying to solve problems even though violence continues. ???? When, exactly would be a good time??? He probably wont succeed. Many others have not. Perhaps we should just give up, eh? This is a stupid criticism. :thumbs_do

How would it be for the leader of an enterprise to say to his cohorts...."Hey, I want you all to try your hardest <snickers>....but, honestly, lets get real, you dont have a chance in Hades."

If I didn't know better, I might assume there are forces in the Middle East who gain power and legitiamcy by perpetuating the conflict......nah...probably just my imagination.
Wait a minute! Are you saying there are people in the Middle East who actually want the conflict to continue for their own political purposes...naw, that couldn't be...:D
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snakelegs
01-16-2008, 10:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
hey it was the good ole USA who asked for democratic elections in palestine....and the ppl voted for hamas, as they say, be careful for what you wish for, you wanted elections and you got them, oh but just cause you dont like who was elected the palis have to suffer now right???? yes thats american democracy in the mid-east, vote for our puppets or else......

i didnt see any of you complaining when israel voted for the war criminal ariel sharon, nop, no complaints at all, infact your stupid president called that fat brain dead pig a man of peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so dont come with your hypocrisy plz, when israelis vote for terrorists like netanyahu, or peres, or the brain dead sharon you say nothing, when palis vote for hamas etc you start complaining??????????

peace is very very easy to be made right now, israel should simply leave the west bank and release the thousands of prisoners they hold, and thats that, nothing too hard.............

everyone keeps saying but hamas has to stop attacking! actually no they dont, theyre land is still occupied, and many of their fellow men and women are still being illegally held in israeli jails, so hamas and other groups have every single right to keep firing rockets, mortars, and whatever else until the day israel entirely stops occupying the west bank, and gives back the prisoners.

everyone says when israel left gaza hamas kept firing rockets, well erm DUHHHHHHHHHHHH....gaza was just part of the occupied land, west bank is still occupied....if someone steals your house, but then gives your backyard back do you stop fighting?? erm no not really because you want the whole house back......

and again dont forget the thousands upon thousands of palestinians being held behind israeli prisons...............

so peace is very easy, give west bank back, and release the prisoners, simple.....but what do they do instead? they keep building more illegal settlements!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i agree with much of what you have said. and it is true, israel could not exist without being propped up by the u.s. and this is why the anger at the u.s. - for not using its leverage.
only thing i disagree with, is that even if israel gave back all the occupied territories (which they won't, though i think they should), it will not be enough. hamas wants the whole pie. israel could give it all back, and still there will be no peace.
sometimes i wonder if either side really wants peace.
yes, bush came trying to stir up the gulf states re: iran, and from what i heard, they were spectacularly unimpressed at the iranian threat.
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Muezzin
01-18-2008, 09:35 AM
So selling weapons to a country with an insane human rights record is conducive to peace?

Alrighty then. I wonder why nobody has even attempted to refute this or spin it favourably, something. I also wonder how many people actually read the entire article...
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Keltoi
01-18-2008, 12:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
So selling weapons to a country with an insane human rights record is conducive to peace?

Alrighty then. I wonder why nobody has even attempted to refute this or spin it favourably, something. I also wonder how many people actually read the entire article...
The situation with Saudi Arabia and that of the Palestinian/Israeli peace deal are seperate issues. Having said that, I don't support weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, although from a emotionless foreign policy standpoint it makes sense as a deterrent to Iran.

The U.S. and Saudi Arabia have an interesting relationship. There are so many connections and interests going on there that it is hard to nail down one motivation. I know that Bush asked OPEC to raise production, and good relations with Saudi Arabia is the way to get that done.
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MTAFFI
01-18-2008, 03:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
So selling weapons to a country with an insane human rights record is conducive to peace?

Alrighty then. I wonder why nobody has even attempted to refute this or spin it favourably, something. I also wonder how many people actually read the entire article...
wouldnt it be ironic if the very weapons that we sell to these Saudis end up in the hands of terrorists fighting US troops... oh wait

In the matter of why we are selling arms to a country with an "insane human rights record" being conducive to peace.. hmmm.. I think peace should probably be renamed to what Keltoi said, peace (aka driving down the price of oil). It is somewhat pitiful that at $100 a barrell our government and companies arent pushing even harder for a different energy source. Imagine the look on the royal Sauds face when we say, "Actually I think we will start using hydrogen or ethanol"...lol, eggface
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Omar_Mukhtar
01-18-2008, 07:50 PM
I think they are realising that dictators are more preferable lest the terrorists actually get seats in elections. Looks like the Arabs don't wanna fight the Persians. Why would they? It would make the entire middle east look like Iraq. Plus Iran is actually indirectally or directally aiding the U.S.A in Afghanistan and Iraq, the hype is just for media talk. Of course it doesn't help for a anti Israeli Middle Eastern State to have a huge arsenal of weapons. So no guesses as to who might(if) actually launch strikes against Iran?
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