format_quote Originally Posted by
MTAFFI
What is Al-qaeda doing for the middle east? What are these forces doing other than blowing up market places, desecrating places of worship, forcing the people to live in fear, destroying infrastructure and causing the US troops to stay longer?
al-Qaida have never blown up markets, this is a corrupt thing that the shia government keeps making up when ever a attack takes place in a sunni neighborhood, and ofcourse america agree's on it even though no evidence is found. The shia government blaims al-Qaida for everything in order to save the asses of the shia millits who are fighting and killing sunnis in the middle.
Al-Qaida attacked a shia mosque a few years ago, but nobody ever mentions why they did so. The same shia mosque was home to hundreds of shia millits who weekly broke into sunni mosques in the sunni neighborhoods, kidnap the imam and burn down the mosque, and guess what they do with the sunni imam after having kidnapped him? They have never destroyed any iraqi building in such, they only attack government buildings and military buildings.
People in Iraq are afraid of al-Qaida not because of their name, but because they dont know them. Iraqi's know each other, but they dont know a bunch of foreign fighters, at least the people dont but the millits and insurgents on the other hand know them quite well, especially the sunni millits are in fact supporting al-Qaida, but they have a bit of a conflict today due to the shias in the south.
It is the shia millits who bomb do all this suicide bombing in the middle of the streets, and and as revenge some sunni's do the same, which is ofcourse also wrong. But as I said; Al-Qaida are not the ones to blaim for these civilian suicide killing.
format_quote Originally Posted by
MTAFFI
They certainly arent putting any dent in the American military, you are talking about a military with 2 million active duty personell, whats their death count up to now? 5k maybe? I dont even really keep track because the number is so insignificant, what do we have maybe 20k injured? What is the goal of this terrorist group that you seem to support? To drive the US out of Iraq? To drive them from Afghanistan? To "wipe Israel from the map"? What is their purpose and what have they accomplished?
They certainly are killing american soldiers daily and casuing alot of harm to the shia regime and not least america. The american government claims the death count to be just around 5k, but who the hell believes them? Why on earth would they give the real number, if it was lets say 10.000+? Such number being officially recognized will just make the al-Qaida and the insurgents to look stronger and america weaker. Only a fool would give the real number of american deaths.
al-Qaida has offered peace to america and the rest of the west so many times, but each time they have bin ignored.
America are taking over every single anti-israeli nation on this planet, Saddam was against israel what happend to him?
Tell me one arab leader that is strongly against israel today, there arent many left because they have all bin removed and replaces with american and western allies, we call them the betrayers. The leaders that are against israel all happend to be hated by the west and america, and they all rule a country that is awaiting a western or american invasion.
al-Qaida's goal is to kill and harm americans as much as possible til the point of where they have fully left the islamic nations.
I fully support the insurgents in Iraq, but I dont support the 9/11. Not really because of the people who died but because the strike caused much more harm to the muslims than what it did any good for, so I agree with you when you say "what have they acomplished?".
We all have the same dream, but al-Qaida is trying to make that dream reality through a ineffective way that does not seem to be working.
format_quote Originally Posted by
MTAFFI
It isnt even a real war, our soldier are policing Iraq to try and protect the innocents from idiots with their hands tied to the wheel of an exploding truck, and how do you police that? You cant, so if victory for these terrorist groups in the M.E. is being able to successfully kill themselves and 50 other non combatants, then congratulations, you win, you are the best I have ever seen at it.
By "our" soldiers do you mean the americans? My friend from my experience and others I know that most soldiers in Iraq are doing absolutely nothing to rebuild the nation and help the people, instead they walk around and cause harm to iraqi civilians while making fun of them.
America has replaced the Saddam regime with a just as barbaric Shia regime who are supporting the civilian suicide bombing in the sunni neighborhoods.
So how can you say that the american soldiers are protecting the iraqi's from civilian suicide bombing, when what they in fact are doing is supporting the people who do so everyday.
You clearly dont know anything about these "terrorist" groups, who you believe to be al-Qaida, believing that they are the ones who keep suicide bombing civilians. You need to know the ideology of these "terrorists", many americans have done so and guess what they are doing now.
format_quote Originally Posted by
MTAFFI
If victory is getting rid of Israel, then sorry for your luck, because you arent even fighting in the right place! If victory is controlling Iraq, then sorry for you because the Iraqis join in higher number every day to drive these terrorist morons from their land, and they are fighting on the side of US troops! If victory is taking back Afghanistan, then good luck because there are barely any troops there and they have managed to keep the Taliban away from office.
You arent fighting in the right place but your fighting the right enemy, your fighting the fundamental of israel; America. Remove America and there will be no israel! Not to mention that enough people are already fighting against Israel.
Victory is not to controle Iraq, victory is to stop the american imperialism inside of the islamic nations. Only the shia iraqi's are against al-Qaida, the sunni's arent! But currently as I mentioned above, some sunni millits do currently have a bit of a problem with al-Qaida, because of al-Qaida being the enemies of america, and themselves getting military support from america in order to protect the sunni neighborhoods and prevent shia millits from entering and killing sunni's. (this is a complicated conflict but I can explain if you wish).
The Kurds do not care since they arent iraqi, the shias only support america because america have given Iraq to a shia regime, but the sunni's? The sunni's in Iraq HATE the marines, but thanks to the shia regime the sunni's are in need of american military support in order to protect themselves from the shia millits entering the sunni neighborhoods to kill sunni civilians. This is what makes people believe that sunni's are allied with america, but in fact they arent, they have no other choice as it stands today!
format_quote Originally Posted by
MTAFFI
What is the goal here? I dont support the war in Iraq, I wish the US troops were not there, but those people have to have support and help against this senseless violence, because our country created certain conditions. It is a moral obligation. Again, what is the goal? How is it being attained? Who is being oppressed? By whom are they directly oppressed? If these are too many questions please just say, I am just trying to get some insight into your way of thinking because quite frankly it astonishes me
I dont know if I support it or not, what the americans have brought to Iraq is equal to the pain Saddam brought just to give you an idea of how succesful they have bin. I thank america for having removed the Saddam regime but ever since that they have done nothing good to Iraq.
The violence was brought to Iraq, it wasent there before and who do you think brought it to Iraq? No it wasent al-Qaida.
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The goal now for the "terrorists" is to harm the troops and put as much pressur as possible on america, in order to change the mind of the americans back home. In order to make the americans realise that america is not spreading democratism but instead dictatorship.
Make them realise that israel is wrong, make them realise that america's support to israel and not least to the arab dictators is wrong! Make them realise that this is what al-Qaida is against, remove all this and there will be no al-Qaida, no future 9/11's and no future war between the west and the middle east.
If al-Qaida and the insurgents do nothing what will the americans believe? They will start believing that what ever america is doing in the world must be the right thing, they will start supporting israel even more and they will start thinking that america is saving the whole world. Without al-Qaida, people would think that muslims actually support the arab leaders, support israel, and support america, but that is far from the truth.
Make them realise that america is wrong!