To Christians about the name : FATHIMA

[Abdul-Raouf]

Question to Christians...

I have seen many Christian churches and Christian Schools with the name FATHIMA.


Who is FATHIMA in christianity?

Whom do you refer with the name FATHIMA ?

[Woodrow]

Having been Catholic I am aware of that the name Fatima is is reference to Fatima, Spain. A city in Spain. In May of 1917, three Spanish Children saw an apparition at Fatima. the apparition appeared every Month for about a year.

The Catholic Church believe it was an appearance of Mary, the Mother of Isa(as). The Apparitions appeared when ever the child Lucinda prayed. Very large crowds gathered and many people believe they witnessed many miracles.


One of the names of Mary, the Mother of Isa(as) is now "Our Lady of Fatima" to the Catholics. Many Catholic schools, Churches and Hospitals are now named "Our Lady of Fatima" although Usually just the name Fatima is readily seen, but the full name is almost always "Our Lady of Fatima"

[Abdul-Raouf]

oh...ok ...so for the christians ..its a important place's name...
Thats it.

[Woodrow]

oh...ok ...so for the christians ..its a important place's name...
Thats it.

The full name used will usually be Something like: "Our Lady of Fatima" "Lady of Fatima" or "Blessed Mary of Fatima" those are some of the Catholic titles of Maryam. It refers to "Maryam" not the place.

But keep in mind that that devotion to Mary, does not apply to all Christians, it is a Catholic belief. So if you see the name on a building, it almost always means it is Catholic. Very few if any other Christians have devotion to Mary.

Non-Christians have difficulty in the Denominations in Christianity. Each are separate. Often the beliefs of any denomination differ considerably over leadership. This can be seen most graphically by the long conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland.

The larger denominations and their leaders

Catholic and Orthodox Christians


Roman Catholics- Pope of Rome

Eastern Orthodox- Partriarch of Istanbul

Coptic Catholic- Patriarch of Alexandria

Maryist Catholic- Partriarch of Alexandria

Syriac Catholic-they have a leader in Damascus, but I forgot what he is called

Russian Orthodox-Pope of Rome

Church of England--The King/Queen of England and the Bishop of Canterbury

Lutheran--Under Different Synods.In the USA most are under the Missouri Synod

Protestants

Episcopal-often under the Church of England

Methodist-Under different Bishops

Presbyterian- no central leader

Plus others each under their own leader

Baptists

Baptists-Baptist Convention

Southern Baptist-Southern Baptist convention

Fundamentalist

There are very many, none have any central leader

This link has a better break down of the various denominations http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_deno.htm

In reference to Mary and "Our Lady of Fatima" That applies only to Roman Catholics. Fatima has no significance to the other Christians

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[Grace Seeker]

One minor correction: among Lutherans there are actually more members in the USA that belong to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) than belong to the Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod).

Also, Lutherans and Baptists and most of those in the Fundamentalist category would all be generally considered protestant denominations. In fact, Anglicans and Methodists would be less likely to be considered protestant than these other groups, but for most purposes they both are still understood as protestants as well.

[FatimaAsSideqah]

As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu

The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, appeared six times to three shepherd children ("the Three Seers") near the town of Fatima, Portugal between May 13 and October 13, 1917. Appearing to the children, the Blessed Virgin told them that She had been sent by God with a message for every man, woman and child living in our century. Coming at a time when civilization was torn asunder by war and bloody violence, She promised that Heaven would grant peace to all the world if Her requests for prayer, reparation and consecration were heard and obeyed.
"If My requests are granted ... there will be peace"

Our Lady of Fatima explained to the children that war is a punishment for sin and warned that God would further castigate the world for its disobedience to His Will by means of war, hunger and the persecution of the Church, the Holy Father and the Catholic Faithful. God's Mother prophesied that Russia would be God's chosen "instrument of chastisement," spreading the "errors" of atheism and materialism across the earth, fomenting wars, annihilating nations and persecuting the Faithful everywhere.
"If My requests are not granted, Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions against the Church. The good will be martryed, the Holy Father will suffer much and various nations will be annihilated."

In all Her appearances at Fatima, the Blessed Mother repeatedly emphasized the necessity of praying the Rosary daily, of wearing the Brown Scapular of Mount Carmel and of performing acts of reparation and sacrifice. To prevent the terrible chastisement at the hands of Russia and to convert "that poor nation", Our Lady requested the solemn public Consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart by the Pope and all the Catholic bishops of the world. She also asked that the Faithful practice a new devotion of reparation on the first Saturday of five consecutive months ("the Five First Saturdays")

The heart of Our Lady's Message to the world is contained in what has come to be called the "Secret" which She confided to the three child seers in July 1917. The Secret actually consists of three parts, the first two of which have been publicly revealed. The first part of the Secret was a horrifying vision of hell "where the souls of poor sinners go" and contained an urgent plea from Our Lady for acts of prayer and sacrifice to save souls. The second part of the Secret specifically prophesied the outbreak of World War II and contained the Mother of God's solemn request for the Consecration of Russia as a condition for world peace. It also predicted the inevitable triumph of Her Immaculate Heart following Russia's consecration and the conversion "of that poor nation" to the Catholic Faith.

The last part of the Secret (often called the "Third Secret") has not yet been made public, but was written down by Lucy Dos Santos, the last living Fatima seer, in 1944 and has been in the possession of the Holy See since 1957. Most informed sources speculate that this portion of the Secret concerns chaos in the Catholic Church, predicting widespread apostasy and a loss of faith beginning in the seventh decade of the 20th Century.


http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/story1.asp

Allah Hafiz
Sister Fatima

[Abdul-Raouf]

The last part of the Secret (often called the "Third Secret") has not yet been made public, but was written down by Lucy Dos Santos, the last living Fatima seer, in 1944 and has been in the possession of the Holy See since 1957. Most informed sources speculate that this portion of the Secret concerns chaos in the Catholic Church, predicting widespread apostasy and a loss of faith beginning in the seventh decade of the 20th Century.

Oh!

[Amadeus85]

Having been Catholic I am aware of that the name Fatima is is reference to Fatima, Spain. A city in Spain. In May of 1917, three Spanish Children saw an apparition at Fatima. the apparition appeared every Month for about a year.
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Not in Spain, but in Portugal.It hapenned during the anti catholic reigns of the secular republicans who persecuted Church and priests. In the revelation Holy Mary predicted the world war II, rise and death of communism and the shooting to John Paul II. Holy Mary also predicted the soon detah of two of those children.

[guyabano]

Indeed, its from Portugal. One of my co-workers is portguese and they celebrate that every year in springtime.

Here you can read about it

Peace

[NoWingedAngel]

Woodrow, your list of patriarchies is quite wrong.

I'll fix it for you.

Catholic (Roman Rite, Byzantine, ie, Melkite Greek, Ruthenian, Ukranian-Greek, Rite, Coptic Rite, Mozarabic Rite, Malankaran Rite, Maronite Rite, Ambrosian Rite) - Pope of Rome and other Patriarchs under him. No such designation as a "Maryist" Catholic. Also, if a Russian Orthodox ever heard that they were thought to be under the Pope, they'd probably faint.

Eastern Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Serbian, Romanian, Alexandrian, et al, who hold fast to the 7 Ecumenical Councils) - Patriarch of Constantinople, Patriarch of Moscow, Patriarch of Antioch, Patriarch of Jerusalem, Patriarch of Alexandria, and other bishoprics.

Oriental Orthodox (Coptic, Syriac, Malankara Syriac, British under the Alexandrian Patriarchate, French under the Alexandrian Patriarchate, Ethiopian, Eritrean, Armenian, who hold fast to the first 3 Ecumenical Councils - Patriarch of Alexandria (different than Eastern and Catholic), Patriarch of Antioch (different than Eastern and Catholic), Patriarch of Jerusalem (different than Eastern and Catholic), Patriarchs of Echmiadzin and Cilicia

Assyrian Church of the East (East Syriac Rite who holds fast to the first 2 Ecumenical Councils) - Patriarch of Seleucia-Ctesiphon.

Anglican (Those Western Churches who schismed from Rome during the reign of Henry VIII) - Church of England and the Episcopal Church (in America) who follow the Archbishop of Canterbury. Also, the Old Catholic churches who schismed from Rome who follow apostolic tradition from the See of Utrecht are in Communion with the Church of England, if I remember correctly.

Keep in mind, any Christian Church that broke off from Rome is considered a Protestant Church, even if they themselves deny it, ie, Anglicans and Lutherans maintain that they have apostolic succession, though Rome may deny this.

[Grace Seeker]

Keep in mind, any Christian Church that broke off from Rome is considered a Protestant Church, even if they themselves deny it, ie, Anglicans and Lutherans maintain that they have apostolic succession, though Rome may deny this.

Lutherans don't deny being Protestants. In fact, they were the original protestants and in much of Europe the term Protestant is virtually synonymous with Lutheran. Anglicans generally don't see themselves as Protestant, because their break was not a result of a protest against the theology of Rome as much as a result of Henry's political will to be the head of the Church in England. And, yes, both see themselves in apostolic succession, though of course the Vatican does not recognize this. Other churches, such as the Presbyterians (descendants of Calvin) also understand themselves to be Protestant in joining with Luther in protest against the Catholic Church but could care less about apostolic succession. And groups like Baptists really arose out of disagreements within the already existing Protestant churches, and thus they also accept the label Protestant today, but like the Presbyterians don't concern themselve with apostolic succession to achieve and understanding of their legitimacy. And finally, the Methodists are another second generation development, but out of the Anglicans. Methodist don't talk much about apostolic succession, but they would recognize it as existing even as they don't think it really has anything to do with the legitimacy of their ministry. They have come to accept that others group them within the Protestant fold, though techinically they don't see themselves this way any more than Anglicans do. (Btw, I am a Methodist.) Thus, there really is no link between one's understanding of apostolic succession and the label Protestant.

[Woodrow]

Not in Spain, but in Portugal.It hapenned during the anti catholic reigns of the secular republicans who persecuted Church and priests. In the revelation Holy Mary predicted the world war II, rise and death of communism and the shooting to John Paul II. Holy Mary also predicted the soon detah of two of those children.

I have no idea why I said Spain. It is portugal

[taybe smiler]

my grandmother name is fatima

[NoWingedAngel]

Lutherans don't deny being Protestants.

I was speaking from Rome's point of view as the former parent church.

Thus, there really is no link between one's understanding of apostolic succession and the label Protestant.

There is when there are two different ways of determining apostolic succession.